Update: “we have not located any victims of an assault” – “any word on the apparent murder at view14 building?”

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J-La asks:

“@PoPville any word on the apparent murder at view14 building?” [2303 14th Street, NW]

Another reader reported last night:

“At about 3:30 this afternoon [Monday], there was some type of altercation on the 6th floor of View 14 Apartments, resulting in blood puddles and spatters up and down the hallway, a cordoned off elevator full of blood with police tape, and police that have been camped outside of an apartment since then.

The building sent a vague email that has only caused increased fear and alarm for all residents, but there are rumors swirling amongst residents that a fellow resident was stabbed and there is a potential body in an apartment as the apartment is processed for evidence and a search warrant is executed.

It’s terrible — and scary — that as a resident on the floor where the incident happened, I cannot get information from the building or the police to know what happened and if my family is in danger. If there’s any chance that you have better luck in getting to the bottom of this, I believe that my family and fellow View 14 community members would feel a bit safer.”

Update from MPD:

“MPD units responded to the location yesterday after being requested by members of DCFEMS. Upon arrival on the scene, an individual was located who had minor lacerations to his legs and feet. The concern from the DCFEMS staff was that the amount of blood in the hallway and residence did not appear to be consistent with the minor injuries on the subject. Unfortunately, the injured individual does not know how he sustained the injuries or how the blood came to be in the building. Our officers and detectives secured the location as a possible crime scene and obtained a search warrant to search the premises for any assault victims and/or evidence. No other individuals were located and we are continuing to investigate. At no time did we receive any calls from tenants in the building regarding any assault or other matter taking place there and in interviews with residents last night, nobody reported seeing or hearing any altercation.

At this time, we have not located any victims of an assault and we are continuing to ongoing investigate which is why it is not currently a crime on the 3D crime list today.

If anyone is aware of the circumstances that led to the blood in the hallway, please have them contact me at [email protected] . Thanks.”

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  • Wow, I had actually heard bad things about this building before I moved in down the street. My building had an assault at one point several months ago but management was very transparent about it and provided the investigation contact to residents for further questions. I don’t have any advice but I’m really sorry that your management is being… difficult.

  • How in the world can one assume it was an “apparent murder”? Because of blood? If it were a homicide, there’d likely be a body, far more officers, and you wouldn’t get close enough to the crime scene to take that photo. Let’s be a little more responsible before we spread hysteria.

    • Prince Of Petworth

      Probably because information was not properly disseminated to residents. A lesson for all.

      • +1 to PoP, and also an addition to Bob’s comment — I noticed this wasn’t on the 3rd District MPD listings for crime reports or arrest reports yesterday. I suppose there could be other reasons for this but hopefully that eases some concern.

      • Having had a murder occur in an apartment on my same hallway several years back, I can tell you that our building management was ordered by MPD not to reveal anything to any resident, nor to answer any questions. There were police everywhere, crime scene tape, etc., and we were not told any information for approximately 24 hours. That’s likely the scenario here as well. Doesn’t make it any more comforting as a resident, but it is standard procedure in an ongoing investigation.

    • Right and while it’s apparent that this is disturbing and unusual, I wouldn’t describe that elevator as being… “full of blood”

    • Also, police presence at the apartment that has been sealed off doesn’t mean there’s a body inside…it just means that they’re processing it for evidence and controlling access in and out.

    • Bob – There actually was a huge police presence at the scene until this morning, which would leave one to believe a serious crime could have been committed. Also on your comment about residents not being able to get close enough to take those photos…that’s just a stupid comment. Do you think the building can keep residents from using the other elevators to get to their apartments?!? The building should have been more up front with at least some information to ease fears. If this had happened on the street everyone would know what happened, why does it need to be a secret when it is inside a building?

      • Honestly, when did people become so entitled to know the details of an ongoing investigation? I really don’t get this. Regarding your safety, if there are tons of cops in the building, processing a crime scene, it would seem that the immediate risk to other persons in the building non-existent. I’ve never heard of a criminal coming back to a crime scene while cops are processing it and committing another crime.

        • I really don’t think being given basic information about whether a crime was committed or not is consistent with being “entitled”. Let me know how you feel next time you come home with blood all over your apartment building, be sure not to ask any questions – certainly none of your business.

        • There are plenty of valid, important reasons why the building management and the police would not share information about an ongoing investigation about a serious violent crime. Sometimes catching and charging an alleged murderer takes precedent over neighbors having 100% of the facts immediately. Imagine how terrible it would be if this was a domestic incident and the alleged murderer knew they were being tracked due to building listserv posts (or similar) and it helped facilitate their flight.

          • Pretty sure if someone committed a murder and left blood in public places they would already know they were being tracked.

          • Well obviously they would know the crime was being tracked, but plenty of murders in this city go unsolved. The idea that because you committed a murder and there is a crime scene therefore the police know who is responsible does not logically follow. Especially if a building resident is suspected of committing a crime I can imagine about a million reasons why the police and building management wouldn’t want to share specifics while they try to locate that person who is in the meantime cooking up an alibi, etc.

            There was a murder a block from my house 4 years ago that is still unsolved. In that case the police didn’t share much with neighbors (other than absolute basic details) until about 48 hours later.

          • But if the police were telling residents things that led them to infer a more serious crime was committed (see View14Resident’s comment below), you think that management could have mustered a simple: “As many of you know, an incident occurred in our building this afternoon that resulted in blood being located in public spaces. We are taking precautions to protect our residents, and we will provide residents with updates when we are able.”

          • FridayGirl is 100% right. The building management, staff (such as maintenance and concierge), and police were all telling residents different things. I live on the 6th floor and heard multiple different reports from all parties — and there was blood outside my front door and throughout the halls, far more than what you see in the photo. Also, when a cop is standing guard outside the apartment in question for hours, it’s easy to believe when you’re told there is a body (and that body likely didn’t ride the elevator down to the lobby, hence a lack of blood that everyone is speculating on). The building sent an email that made residents who were at work believe the building was on fire — very vague and lacking important information that should be shared. A closed Facebook group of residents shared information that folks were learning from staff and cops on the scene. All the while the building management will not share information as to whether or not the building is now secure or if my family is potentially in danger (even when blood is outside my front door) — and is now blocking the sharing of information or even this blog post with our building’s list serv.

          • It’s clear that Adnan did it.

          • The differing reports is exactly why residents shouldn’t feel entitled to such information. When the police are actively investigating something, they likely don’t know all the details and misreporting things doesn’t do anyone any good. Let them do their jobs and then the investigation is complete, you can get all the details you want. If the scene wasn’t safe, they would have made that clear. Since it was safe, there is nothing to report.

          • Tsar — but my point is that the POLICE shouldn’t MISreport to the residents, then, either!!!

    • For what it’s worth, when my next door neighbor was shot in my hallway, i walked right through the crime scene and into my apartment. He didn’t die, but the police didn’t make an effort to keep anyone from going to their homes.

    • It’s probably beets

  • If there’s an ongoing investigation, how much would they even know to tell you? Also, the human body has a lot of blood. I would not assume a murder based on that photo.

    • Based on the amount of blood visible in the photo, I would assume NOT a murder. More like a bloody nose.

      • +1 I know people get upset at the sight of blood, but, yeah, that amount of blood could easily have been from a bloody nose.

      • HaileUnlikely

        Based on the police tape visible in the photo, and taking on faith the reports of others that there was a large police presence, I would assume something bad happened, whether it was a murder or not.

      • Prince Of Petworth

        “The concern from the DCFEMS staff was that the amount of blood in the hallway and residence did not appear to be consistent with the minor injuries on the subject.”

      • The blood in the elevator is a small fraction of the amount of blood that was on the 6th floor and in the apartment. Also, I almost stepped into the elevator right after it happened. It appeared MUCH worse then. Some may have been cleaned up. The police told me directly that they were looking for a body and had already checked the dumpster.

      • Not to be too graphic or disrespectful, but often its not the amount, its how quickly it spilled out that can give a lot of info on the extent of the injuries. You can tell a lot from the pattern, which, though “little” can indicate with fair degree of certainty a significant incident. I don’t see any reason for commentators to call out investigators based on one photo.

    • And even if they know certain things (like whether the assailant was someone the victim knew, etc., etc.), it might be that they have to keep that information under wraps until (say) they’ve found and arrested the assailant.

      • +1. The building could have at least provided a police contact for concerned residents though. I feel like that’s pretty standard procedure, and it would have allowed management to avoid answering any questions.

      • ^This. Not sure what’s so difficult to understand.

  • Ashy Oldlady

    Does anyone know what happened at the apartment building at 13th and Clifton, just north of Cardozo? I went past there they other day and the entire building was surrounded by police tape.

  • Even worse than the elevator full of blood: the two creepy little girls and the dude running around with an axe.

  • The blood in the elevator wasn’t all of the blood found. There was a significant amount of blood found in the resident’s apartment. And the resident had a cut on his foot for clarity. At one point an unnamed police officer commented that there was too much blood present for the injury sustained by the resident. The resident did not need medical attention. The resident admitted to being high and claimed to have no memory of what had occurred. Other residents confirmed seeing this resident in the morning acting strangely and smelling weird.

    Re blood in the elevator: some of the blood had been cleaned up prior to the photo being taken.

    CSI arrived around 11pm last night to look at the apartment. No ambulances showed up and there was never a mention of a ‘body’ on the premises.

    • “The resident admitted to being high and claimed to have no memory of what had occurred.”
      .
      From above: “Unfortunately, the injured individual does not know how he sustained the injuries or how the blood came to be in the building.”
      .
      After reading the above, I was thinking it must have been drug-related, and View14interestedparty’s comment confirmed this. Who knows how long the guy was bleeding even from a minor wound before anyone realized. (The incident in my building was also drug-related. Which I think speaks to the prevalence of drugs in higher-end buildings with presumably well-off tenants, along with the community at large.)

      • It’s actually amazes me whenever I go to a party in these parts of town/new luxury buildings of the amount of hard drugs that are easily accessible/done in the open. Who knew!- definitely an eye opener.

        • I’ve been to many such parties and have never seen or been led to believe “hard drugs” were present or being used.

          Maybe it’s who you hang out with?

      • “prevalence of drugs in higher-end buildings”
        .
        I really wish folks would dissociate drug use with wealth/income.

        • emvee

          To be fair, I’m sure there are a lot of people out there who wish folks would disassociate drug use with poverty…

          • That was my point – I should’ve been more explicit: “dissociate drug use from the -prevalence or absence- of wealth/income”

          • Yes, that was my point as well. I’m tired of hearing the low-income/drug correlation.

      • Ashy Oldlady

        I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that drug use is far more prevalent among wealthier people, simply because they can more easily afford to buy them.

    • What do you mean he was ‘high’ that could mean many things…high on what exactly?

  • The amount of blood doesn’t tell us it was or was not a murder. I saw the immediate aftermath of a major stabbing in DC (don’t know if the victim lived or not) that resulted in less blood than is in that elevator.

  • This building is a mess…you would think you could expect more for $3,000/month 1 bedroom apartments. Guess not.

  • “Cuts to lower extremities” on a man leads me to think some rather painful thoughts….

  • I guess someone knows it’s human blood?

  • The Night Of….

  • Why is everyone so mad the building didn’t provide contact info for the police? Is it really that hard to google a phone number for the local district office?

    • Because it’s management’s responsibility to inform residents when something so public happens. Yes, one could Google. But it makes management look as though they aren’t doing their job.

    • I think they would want a direct line to someone assigned to the case rather than calling the general phone number, where you might not get someone who has any idea how to direct their call.

      • Because the person(s) working this case will actually have time to deal with the hysteric calls of 300 looky-loo neighbors? Let the cops do their work. Get in touch if you have some valuable information to provide the police. The building should disseminate new information as it comes in.

      • But (before the update), while the police were still investigating what could they tell you either?

  • Sounds like Party Monster redux, The DC Version. People high on drugs, lots of blood, a missing body….

  • I live directly across from the apartment in question. I walked out of my apartment to 6 cops and the neighbors door wide open with blood EVERYWHERE on the wood floor, way more than in the elevator. Nobody had been living in the apartment for a long time, whoever moved in had done it in the past couple of weeks.

  • It was a little blood from a foot laceration, and interestingly also found inside his apartment was a broken jar of salsa that had spilled and been tracked. The ‘victim’ was a resident unable to sleep well for several days who took two ambien instead of the normal one. No other drugs were involved, legal or otherwise. Disoriented, he stumbled through the blood from a cut sustained from an open cabinet door, wandered into the hall and elevator and was helped into his unit again by a sweet neighbor who witnessed the whole thing, and put him to bed. Other residents also witnessed this. The fact the cops actually had to be told to look for blood on other levels to find out if someone else was involved, and never checked the video after four hours of ‘investigation’ (read: interrogation) is appalling (no other blood was found, nor any other victims). As many as 25 police officers, paramedics and firefighters were involved, and even what appeared to be an assistant chief of police, all for a guy with a cut foot. They actually were saying ‘it’s a real whodunit’ as they wandered around. The real whodunnit is ‘how are DC police officers so bad at investigating that they confuse salsa for blood? And don’t they know how much blood one would need to lose for there to be a dead person somewhere?’ Shame on you, DCPD. No wonder you screwed up the Roger Wone investigation, when someone actually DID die.

    • Not buying any of this.

    • Hi SomeoneWhoWasThere,

      Many thanks for providing some clarifying (and reassuring) details to the matter.
      Though I would say, I would not describe it as a “little blood.”

      I live on the same floor as the individual and I have Radio Frequency
      communications knowledge. Last week, I picked up an unusual reading and traced it to the entrance of his apartment. There I found the readings to be quite excessive for a residential environment. I tried to explain the situation to the individual but he had no interest whatsoever in pursing the matter.

      Bottom line: The readings I saw are consistent with introducing severe insomnia,
      disorientation, and essentially a loss of memory or perspective. Everything I
      have seen reported here and elsewhere suggests there is a possible linkage with
      the abnormal RF readings and his symptoms. I did provide this information to the
      police and other relevant parties.

      Since you know this individual and is apparently trusted by him, can you PLEASE
      advise him to see help on this matter? It is likely he has a malfunctioning Wi-
      Fi router or DECT-phone. But, there could be other reasons as well.

      BTW: To the moderator: I tried to register but there is something wrong with the signup process.

      • Also, to followup since there were numerous references to drug usage by the person of interest. In that case, if the individual involved were on drugs — doesn’t really matter which kind, then to be exposed to that level of RF radiation would have yielded an unpredictable outcome. It could range from being suicidal to behaving like a raging maniac. It is theorized that the Navy Yard massacre could have have an example of such.

    • So you’re saying they called in CSI over spilled salsa? That all of the blood in the apartment was actually salsa and the cops couldn’t see or smell the difference? and the following quote from the MPD statement is false “The concern from the DCFEMS staff was that the amount of blood in the hallway and residence did not appear to be consistent with the minor injuries on the subject.” because it was not in fact blood, it was salsa and they still haven’t figured that out?

      And the ‘sweet neighbor’ hasn’t come forward and made that statement per the MPD statement asking neighbors with information to come forward. And that same ‘sweet neighbor’ would be totally oblivious to the police presence in the building and wouldn’t have said anything sooner?

      Oh, okay totally believable….

    • FWIW, I think this story would work better if he cuts his foot on the broken salsa jar, rather than a cabinet door.

      • I’m just reading this and this whole thing is hysterical in a really weird way. I don’t understand how anyone would possibly cut the bottom of their foot on a something that is above ground-height. Unless they were somehow trying to stand on a cabinet door? Which makes zero sense and wouldn’t work. The door would break. As FormerView14Resident says below, this is all total BS.

    • I find this story impossible to believe. The police, paramedics and firefighters couldn’t tell the difference between blood and salsa??? Complete bullshit.

  • Good Lord, I lived on the 3rd floor at View 14 for 5 years. I finally left because my rent was increased by 33% in the 5 years that I was there – and I was in a “rent controlled” unit. I saw 2 different management companies come in and the service continually deteriorated. They couldn’t keep good concierge staff at all. At one point 2 of the female concierge members were supposedly turning tricks in the guest apartment and were fired. Also, definitely a lot a drug use, mainly cocaine and lots of partying going on the building. A shame because it was really nice when I first moved in.

    If anyone on this thread finds out what really happened, please post it. I would love to know what went down.

    • I am so interested in this “turning tricks” comment.
      Also Im surprised by the comments about the View and how ?not nice? it is. The Capitol View (dumb thing to name the place ACROSS the street from The View 14) is run by the same company and isn’t that bad at all. (I recognize its a newer building but still surprising considering the similar pricing, location, and management.)

      • My wife and I looked at both of these buildings (and decided not to move into either), and it was obvious to us that one was a disaster frat party and one was passable as a building for grown ups. I don’t remember which was which, but I think the problem building had a swimming pool?

  • Clarification:
    I was there and saw the events unfold from the beginning of the ‘investigation’ until they finally let him leave. The cut on his foot was on the top of his foot, near his ankle. And I never said that *all* the blood in his apartment was salsa, just that salsa helped make it look more gruesome than it really was. Blood can be tracked very easily to make a small pool look like a bloodbath… Just look at the photo from the elevator. It’s not that much. You don’t have to believe me, but please don’t just take the police statement as gospel. They were literally looking for a dead body for four hours without actually doing basic police work.

    • A couple years ago, my gf severed the tip of her finger. After we got back from the hospital, I cleaned up the stairwell in our building which looked like something out of American Psycho. Blood spatter is weird.

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