“a group of juveniles ranging in age from 10 to 17, robbed an adult male. They beat him badly”

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Obviously glad arrests were made but this is very disheartening to put it mildly.

From MPD:

“At approximately 7:00 PM in the 1800 block of Newton Street, NW, a group of juveniles ranging in age from 10 to 17, robbed an adult male. They beat him badly and took his wallet and cell phone. Concerned citizens who observed this happening quickly called 9-1-1. Officers quickly responded and located 4 juveniles running in the south alley of the 1800 block of Newton Street, NW. The juveniles had the victims credit cards and cell phone. They also had blood on their clothing. All 4 were arrested.

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  • There is just no humanity anymore. Trump is indeed a threat to civility, but we as humans are also our own threat without that tangerine. It’s so sad.

  • 10 years old. Wow. The news this morning is just incredibly depressing and disheartening. I seriously need a lift from hearing all of these horrible sad stories…

  • Shit man. The youth today freaks me out. so many of them just don’t give a damn.

    tsk

  • WTF. These kids need to go to jail for a long time. Probably so do their parents.

  • What’s worse is that I’m not surprised by the fact that these kids were so young. This has been going on for years, if not decades. It’s just that most people don’t bother to realize it.

  • HaileUnlikely

    Some day they will mess with the wrong dude and at least a couple of them will end up incapacitated or dead. I am not saying that I am that dude and that I could or would hurt or kill them, but in time, it will likely happen.

    • I have been thinking the same thing. Someone is going to go vigilante if these types of attacks keep escalating. The scariest thing is that a lot of these mobs seem to be intent on viciously beating people even if they don’t resist the robbery.

  • Basic DC survival includes avoiding groups of youth when you see them. Cross the street, walk the other way, pick up your pace to a jog or something. I’ve experienced verbal threats multiple times while walking alone, riding a bike and once while pushing my baby in a stroller.

  • DC has a much more enlightened approach to crime than throwing people in jail. I’ll bet if we just paid them $9k a year, they wouldn’t commit any more crimes. It’s cheaper than prison, and win-win for everybody!

    • Also, don’t let anyone have a gun. Guns are scary to the politicians. Also to the voters. People carrying guns would scare them, and would scare these kids. And that would be bad. The big bad world has been mean enough to them.

  • HaileUnlikely

    I don’t understand how that is supposed to work. The street is not a moat. They can cross it too. And they can.probably also run faster than most adult would-be victims.

  • Sorry – these kids’ lives Don’t Matter. Their very presence is a threat to my black child because they might kill him and because others will view my son as a threat, which could also get him killed. Most DC youth are not violent thugs, so we shouldn’t hesitate to discard the ones who are. Yes – address “root causes” to keep kids on the right path, but no obligation to be lenient with those that pose threats to the citizens of DC. They must be incarcerated until too old to pose physical threats to others.

    • I appreciate your perspective, even if I don’t completely agree with it. I don’t have a solution. I just can understand how scary it must be to raise a young black boy in America today.

  • I think Viktor’s theory is based on the idea that you don’t need to outrun the bear, just the other guy.

  • They’ll be in custody maybe 48 hours tops.

  • Hear, hear.

    DC is in the “catch and release” business. It is terribly sad that kids are guilty of committing the majority of violent crimes on our streets, but we don’t do innocent victims or these children any justice by putting them back out onto the street. They need help.

  • Is it possible to follow up on this and see what happens with these teen criminals? Hope they dont beat someone to death before the summer is over…..

  • HaileUnlikely

    I don’t even mean vigilante. I just mean that somebody will mount a vigorous and at least partially-successful self-defense at some point. Years ago when I lived at 14th & Missouri, the apartment building behind my house was predominantly Hispanic and Ethiopian immigrants, and they were often the victims of choice for large groups of teens who wanted to rob or just beat somebody. One time a small Ethiopian man in his 30’s was their target, and they hurt him badly, but he f*cked up a couple of them as well.

  • I just realized the time that this happened — 7 PM?!? This should not happen at any time of the day or night, but that it happened when it was totally light outside makes it somehow seem even creepier.

  • I’ve avoided being mugged by crossing the street and changing direction at least twice. In one instance not too far from where this happened (but 15 years ago) I changed direction, then reversed course and went two blocks back to my house jogging when two people came out of an alley and moved toward me. Criminals can have poor coping skills – hence a propensity to prey on others – and likely prefer victims that don’t see anything coming. It might not always work. But it is an easy decision to to move away from potential risk. A basic survival skill, really.

  • I don’t know if jail will fix anything or just ruin them for life, for the 10 year old especially. I think they need some sort of intense psychological treatment, away from whatever kinds of influences they’re around right now. You have to be seriously f’ed up in the head to viciously beat a man just cuz. And yeah, the parents should be held accountable. It’s one thing if they’re coming from households where the parent or parents are working 24/7 or are in jail and they’re just doing the best they can, but in a lot of cases it’s just serious negligence.

  • Captain Lanier: will you work this into your phony stats to say that robberies are down?

  • nightborn

    Crossing the street and picking your pace doesn’t guarantee any sort of “DC survival”. I had an encounter a couple of months ago where I was already on the other side of the street and one of those “kids”, who couldn’t have been more than 12, after yelling obscenities that I did not acknowledge or react to, threw a glass bottle at me. He missed, thankfully – but the point is, I was not near them, I was walking fast, and I did not engage in any way. I’ve lived in DC for over 8 years and loved it, so I just deal with it, but now that I’m expecting, I’m more than a bit freaked out at the thought of having these encounters with a baby in a tow.

  • 17 years is close to adulthood, but what about the 10 year old. Want to lock him up indefinitely too?

    On a side note, this is not a usual event for this neighborhood (where I live). Definitely not expected at this time of day, when the streets are fairly full. Many thanks to the neighbors who called 911 and for the quick police response.

    • Sending him to reform school / boot camp until he’s 18 or 21 seems like the best hope for the 10 year old to not wind up doing life for an even worse crime considering the path he is on.

  • Agreed. I am finding it alarming that there seem to be so many robberies taking place in broad daylight.

  • HaileUnlikely

    Unless you are walking down the street with your finger on the trigger, you would not be able to use it in this sort of situation. What are you going to do, ask the group of 10 people if they could take a break from beating you for a moment so you can get your gun out?

  • HaileUnlikely

    Threading problems obviously continuing. My comment at 10:56 was a reply to the comment by Steve above.

  • This is correct. I’m crossing the sidewalk a lot more than I used to.

  • yeah, as someone who doesn’t want to have to carry a gun, i’d love to just walk down the street with everyone else armed. there’s no way that one could confuse a good guy with a gun and a bad guy with a gun, or that gun proliferation in general would lead to unforeseen consequences. what could possibly go wrong?

  • And yes, replies aren’t working properly on this thread.

  • I honestly will never understand the people here who say “lock ’em up forever!” Nowhere in this country will an assault or robbery charge get a kid put away for life. Even if they are prosecuted to the fullest extent and convicted, they could receive a max of a few years in jail/juvie. So taking that as a given, how in the world will it help anything for the kids to be around a bunch of other criminals for several years, with no resources to ensure that they get any help AND basically eliminating any chance that they’ll be able to get a job when they get out? It’s a recipe for recidivism and making this city less safe overall.

    I’m not for the current “catch and release,” no consequences system. But we need serious intervention for these kids – psychological treatment, intense mentoring/vocational programs, constant monitoring and check-ins, removal from abusive homes where they learn these things to begin with. Not jail time.

    • Comment Artist

      Unfortunately, all of those rational solutions for rehabilitation cost a lot of money and won’t put a dime in the pockets of the operators of private prisons.

  • My assumption would be that if at that age they are capable of beating a man to a pulp and leaving them in the street, they are suffering from some sort of serious psychological malady (likely psychopathy) that probably requires indefinite confinement in a treatment facility. Undoubtedly many have lead poisoning as well.

  • Kids like this (of any race) need to be disconnected from family and “the streets” and placed in a environment where they learn to become productive working members of society. Prisons nor their families will do them any good. They need to be supervised 24/7 by highly trained professionals capable of educating at-risk children.

  • HaileUnlikely

    You clearly are not very knowledgeable about firearms. You do not have to ask someone to “stop beating you” to pull a gun from its holster.

    To anon.

    I would feel much, much more comfortable walking around the streets of DC at night, knowing more law abiding citizens were carrying weapons. Much more. The “bad guys” would be much much more cautious knowing that perfect looking victim clutching a purse might be packing, and that any attempt to rob from her might be the end of their lives.

  • ankle monitors

  • No one seems to be raising these guys. That’s the problem.

  • +1 to anon at 11:13. Yes, I’m sure some kids are just really messed up, but given the choice, not all kids who are part of incidents like this *want* to be involved. But there are few if any options for them to remove themselves from the situation.

  • I struggle with ethics of this situtation. I have been jumped in DC, so I know how scary it is. Both times the attackers “fit the description.” Rationally, I know that most people who “fit the description” wouldn’t harm a fly and I understand how psychologically damaging that must be to be viewed as a constant threat. But, in real time my emotion takes over and I get nervious. Should I pretend that everybody is an equally likely threat in the name of social justice? Most people would say no. But, what is the fine line between using common sense and “profiling?” I don’t know what the “right” balance is?

    • Let’s see, you’re worried about “psychologically damaging” someone who might beat the hell out of you, maybe kill you. Ever hear of “street smarts”? Err on the side of staying healthy!!

  • Steve – From a macro perspective, I have reservations about permitting more guns to be legally owned in the District. BUT speaking strictly speaking for myself, I would also feel more comfortable if I was allowed to carry a firearm while in high crime areas. Criminals in this city clearly have no fear when targeting victims, especially white-collar types.

  • It’s funny that Trump-hatred is so rabid that *entirely unrelated* posts still get digs in.

  • Opps, my 11:28 comment was in regard to the comments about crossing the street, turning around, etc.

  • HaileUnlikely

    Steve – If you have been trained by the U.S. military and are active duty or honorably discharged, I’m 100% fine with you packing. If that is not the case, though, you seem to have quite the imagination, and I’d be terrified for my own safety with you packing even if we stipulate that we’re both “good guys.”

  • Hearing stuff like this makes me so, so grateful that I moved my 10 year old out of the city. Yes, kids do fall into the wrong crowd every where, but I just can’t help wondering if the 10 year old was a classmate of my son’s.

  • Rule of thumb after many years of inner city living: you’re safer when there are weed dealers around.

    Business 101 :They don’t want any issue happening close to their selling spot because it brings heat and cops on their grounds

  • steve, the flaw in the logic is that you put law abiding citizens in the position of having to carry guns. most do not want to have to walk around as a vigilante. and as we saw in dallas, it makes it much more difficult to respond to an incident. reasonable restrictions on gun control would be much more equitable to society at large and place the burden of policing the streets on, wait for it, the police.
    .
    yes, i’m sure having a handful of armchair sherrifs walking around armed would perhaps act as a small deterrent, but that will change when criminals start changing their behaviour to neutralize the threat of a possible gun, e.g., going in harder, more violent, and from behind. that’s not the result most of society wants. and statistics indicate that increased availability of guns leads to more violence, accidental and otherwise, so any small, temporary deterrent effect is cancelled out by the increase in other injuries and deaths.

  • So we have to change how we live in OUR neighborhoods because of these little thugs? If we do what you say then terrorists win.

  • +1 This is the root of everything; It seems like there are too many young mothers not nearly ready to raise a child, forced into having to “raise” a child in toxic communities that inherently stack the deck against these kids.

  • when was there humanity? human have always been this violent.

  • Something about this area; maybe the twist and turns of the streets or proximity to the park for an escape. Can literally be next to million dollar homes and be robbed at gunpoint as I was.

  • there’s a HUGE difference between you profiling others while walking down the street alone and say the police profiling people.

    trust your gut. learn to take in clues, but definitely trust yourself.
    in general though, it seems no matter where you are, or what they look like, it’s best to avoid a big group of teenage male strangers if you’re walking alone.

    i’m sorry that happened to you.

    • or get a big a$$ dog
      for some reasons beyond my understanding, DC teens are pretty cautious around doggies

  • It would be nice if DC can set a standard for the rest of the country on how to deal with troubled youth. We always say that positive change needs to start at home, but that won’t happen since the reason for violent teens is because of their sucky parents in the first place. There needs to be a protocol set in place where after release from jail, they should be automatically sentenced to a military school-type of institution. This would give them separation from their sucky “parents” and hood rat friends and allow them to actually absorb education (maybe a trade?) and learn respect for themselves and to others. Juvenile detention is not working on these young individuals (if they even get that). I do think they can be molded into a useful part of society, but it needs to be done properly. It’s an expensive thought, but I think it’s worth it.

  • Anon – I do not put anyone in the position of “having to carry guns”. Did you honestly make that claim? No one is proposing you “have to”. Most people will not.

    You also reveal a misunderstanding. Any criminologist will tell you that petty crime (mugging, burglary etc) is opportunistic. Criminals are not planners. They don’t sit back and discuss, strategize, or rationalize what they do. If they were rational people they would not be in position to resort to crime. So yes, the fear of potentially lethal victims would deter them.

    Haileunlikely – you got what you want. So, be happy!! Street full of thugs, mugging of defenseless people like the one last night, and people like myself who you actually insinuate are not “good guy” completely disarmed. Congrats and Good luck!

    Ps. My comments are being deleted by the admin. But the racist comment above directed toward me about “middle age white men” is not. Double standard? You make the call

    • Steve – How did the above comment imply that middle aged white men were less than or take away your rights? Learn what racism is before you play victim.

  • To Tom’s question “But, what is the fine line between using common sense and ‘profiling?’ I don’t know what the ‘right’ balance is?” — I think that’s a call everyone has to make for him/herself, and IMO it makes sense to err on the side of gut instinct/caution.
    .
    On a related note, Gavin de Becker’s “The Gift of Fear” (a book frequently recommended by Carolyn Hax) addresses how women in particular are acculturated to be “nice,” “polite,” etc. instead of trusting their gut instinct. The book is more about the threat of violence (especially sexual violence) posed by men to women, but has some good food for thought about trusting one’s gut feeling.

  • I could take a bat from you in 2 seconds. If you had a gun or I thought you had a gun. I’d just walk away.

  • Holy f-ing Christmas. This is such NRA talking-point BS.

  • Take any large city in the US that allows concealed carry and compare their violent crime to ours. We lose every single time…..

  • HaileUnlikely

    I did not mean to insinuate that you are not a good guy, Steve. I meant to insinuate that most good guys who lack military training are not skilled enough to successfully defend themselves from a group of ten attackers with a gun that at the beginning of the attack was holstered and do so without inadvertently shooting bystanders and/or having the gun turned on them.

  • THANK YOU STEVE!!!!!

  • I am constantly hearing about robberies being committed daily citywide, and this is scary. In today’s Washington Post, an article is stating that Police Chief and Mayor Bowser are lying about robberies are down. According to today’s Washington Post, robberies are up. Police Chief Lanier have serve in her position for almost 10 years. I think it’s time for Mayor Bowser to do a nationwide search for a new Police Chief. I am not feeling safe. The D.C. Council is on summer vacation and they’re out of touch with the crime that’s being committed in Washington, D.C. I am not feeling safe these days walking on District streets day or night.

    • Prince Of Petworth

      Yesterday MPD issued a release:

      “In December 2015, Mayor Muriel Bowser and the Metropolitan Police Department launched the Robbery Intervention Task Force in partnership with the Metro Transit Police Department, the Office of the Attorney General, and the United States Attorney’s Office. Since the launch of this initiative, officials have seen a decrease in robberies across the District.

      “Our crime analysis indicated that there was a small population of repeat violent offenders going on robbery sprees that targeted several victims in a short period of time,” said Chief Cathy Lanier. “This initiative has allowed us to focus our efforts toward those offenders and quickly respond to robbery sprees or patterns as they develop.”

      The Robbery Task Force was formed in December 2015 to address an emerging trend of increased robberies. In the 215 days since the start of the Robbery Task Force, compared to the 215 days prior to the launch, there has been an 18 percent reduction in robberies. The data illustrates the impact of the Robbery Task Force on robbery trends that began in the Spring of 2015.

      “The safety of our community is always our priority. The Task Force is dedicated to providing immediate action to reduce the number of offenders preying on our communities. We will continue to work together to reduce crime and develop the strongest cases possible so our partners can prosecute repeat offenders,” said Lanier.”

    • This is the Post article:
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/fact-check-robberies-this-year-in-dc-are-up-not-down/2016/07/14/f6d00452-49dd-11e6-90a8-fb84201e0645_story.html
      .
      It makes a very good point — Lanier and Bowser are cooking the stats by comparing crime rates from different times of the year.

  • NRA talking point? I just want to walk down my street without having to worry about gangs of roving children putting me in a coma.

    • “gangs of roving children” — it may be unintentional (heck I hope it is), but your choice of words to describe the individuals involved in this crime speak highly to your prejudice and bias.
      I’ve only read the popville post, so I’m curious know if there were there more than four juveniles involved in this crime? When I see a group of four people (regardless of age, sex, or race or geographical location) walking together, I don’t inherently think “gang”. I actually use “gang of people” as slang as part of my everyday vernacular, and usually use it to refer to large groups, minimum 10, usually much more — like a shitload of folks.

      I’m not trying to downplay or make light of the concern that you have about feeling safe in your neighborhood and in your city. I too share that concern. I walk alone a lot. I also walk my dog in the wee hours of the morning or late hours of the night. I’m a woman. I don’t want to be robbed, attacked, raped or abused (physically or verbally). I don’t want to be worried about those things either. But I also don’t want to take instances of violent acts such as these and feed into societal stereotypes and prejudices when discussing them with others.

      I don’t live in Mt. Pleasant, but I jog through it fairly frequently. The only “gangs” of people that I have ever seen in that area “roving” around are families, usually with lots of children and strollers en route to the zoo.

  • Middle aged white guys are the worst!! Also Virginians and anyone else with opinions not typically found among Washingtonians! — someone who claims to support diversity, probably

  • I live in ParkView. On Georgia Ave between Irving and New Hampshire is an open air drug market. They don’t even bother hiding the fact they’re selling drugs. It is insane the level of [email protected]$ not given by the police, city counsel, and mayor in this city. In the meantime, the people who actually care are the ones being victimized by these criminals.

  • @ P.Lecheval

    Regarding Private Prisons… they aren’t as widespread as people tend to believe. Only 6% of state prisoners are in Private Prisons. About 16% of Federal. And considering that the total size of the State Prison systems is 6x larger than the federal system the national percentage of private prisons is below 10%.

    Yes, prisons are broken. And private prisons aren’t a good idea. But private prisons are not the reason for mass incarceration.

    Another false narrative out there is that non-violent drug offenses are the reason for mass incarceration. Such offenses constitute much less of the prison population than social justice warriors want us to believe. Drugs constitute about 15% of the prison population. Violent offenders represent over 60% of prison population. And you have to consider the fact that some of those 15% of drug offenders committed other crimes they just pled down to drug charges.

  • Steve,
    You clearly are not very knowledgeable about beatings.

  • Trump? Pretty sure trump would make sure these thugs would get 20-25 years in jail. Something no reader on popville would mind.

    I would love if these punks never saw light of day again

    • I don’t believe the president has control over sentencing guidelines.
      .
      (Barring some kind of fascist takeover of the government, that is.)

  • The inability to have an open and honest conversation about crime in DC makes me extremely frustrated and feeling like there is no point in even reading about it other than to try to avoid being another victim. It’s too loaded by race and class, and ain’t no one going to touch that. Therefore, the daily slaughter will continue while we keep a single-eyed focus on police brutality.

    • +1. I live a block from where this happened and was out walking with my child at this hour, on this block, a few days before this incident. My husband was punched in the head and robbed of his work bag by a group of 3-4 older teens on Newton between 16th and 17th at nightfall last July. We’re still shaken by our personal experience and now this. I wonder if the powers that be will start taking these assaults seriously when law-abiding taxpayers start leaving in droves. So happy we rent and didn’t buy.

  • The last random murder I recall in Mount Pleasant happened to a man walking his dog…

  • You make a great point I had never considered. It’s extremely ironic that we’re putting so much time and energy into fighting terrorism when we’re far more likely to be attacked by some ghetto kid!

    • “some ghetto kid” ? I’m going to need a definition on that.
      What is a ghetto? Specifically, what neighborhoods or streets in DC would you have to live on/in?
      Are you suggesting that children living in [your definition of] a ghetto are more violent and prone to attack others?
      Or are you equating “ghetto” with being poor, but don’t want to sound more elitist than you already do? I know brilliant folks who graduated at the top of their class from some of the toughest math and science programs in this country (think MIT) who hailed from what many may want to call a ‘ghetto’, but in fact is just a poor neighborhood.

      Also are you referring to domestic terrorists or international terrorists? Because IMHO violent attacks of this type are a form of terrorism that cities, states and this country are failing to meaningfully address.

  • For what its worth it seems every summer this or that gang of youths seems to hit the news and not always in a most welcomed way. Wonder if anyone or any solution(s) were thought up that could utilize all the energy wasted on their (and other’s) side to do wrong -to channel that into a huge city project that in turn provides an incentive to up the community they, the youths, themsleves live in. Not a paid position but a stipend/contest like approach that included some ‘really top of the line prize’ that someone of that age range would go for.
    Another aspect of time well spent could possibly go toward school or college credit, maybe. Just a thought or has this already been thought of? Seems like alot of energy complaining and correcting and no movment toward making summers better **substantial** memories.

  • Or just avoid jail all together and just send them to a military academy

  • HaileUnlikely

    tke98 – regarding the number involved, the police SMS alert indicated that there were 10-12 attackers, of which 4 were caught.
    .
    When a group of 10-12 people attacks one person, using politically correct language to describe the attackers is not among my top ten million priorities.

    • HailleUnlikely. Thanks so much. That is by all definitions a gang, and that’s why I asked about the numbers and provided info on my own use of the word. It wasn’t me being trying to impose political correctness on anyone, since I used it to refer to groups of people of all types. But the number four just didn’t seem gang worthy. Thanks again.

  • tke98, I’m guessing you’ve never been beaten by a gang of roving children. I have, twice, and have found that being beaten by a gang of roving children reduced my political correctness by about 99% (I was raised by extremely liberal parents and was extremely liberal up to moving to DC 15 years ago). It’s not a “stereotype” or “prejudice” to acknowledge that there are gangs of children in this city roving around beating people for sport.

  • Except that’s not true. Even when you compare DC to Richmond, or Memphis for example.

  • In your view what prevents them from having a choice in participating?

  • The problem is that this is not the way this information was presented at the press conference Lanier and Bowser had earlier this week. At that press conference, Lanier said robberies were down almost 20%, period. It wasn’t until after the press conference that the DC Police spokesperson admitted, after being confronted with the numbers, that Lanier was referencing a specific period of time after implementation of this new strategy, as opposed to comparing year over year numbers like most police departments. So the press release ends up looking like an attempt to cover up an unsuccessful attempt at fudging the numbers.
    Moreover, the press release doesn’t address the fact that the number of armed robberies is way up.

  • What’s overlooked in this discussion is that residents responded quickly, calling 911, and videotaping the youths, leading to the prompt arrest of four. That’s our best defense against crime: neighbors willing to get involved, and take action.

    That’s always been the case in Mount Pleasant — neighbors always rush out to help anyone in trouble on the street. Perhaps that’s one reason why Mount Pleasant has the lowest robbery rate east of Rock Creek Park, and half the average rate (robberies per 1000 residents) of the District.

  • Pretty sure a rehab based approach would also have private groups doing anything they can to make money.

  • My answer to Haile shortly after he posted this morning was “Bernie Goetz?” – meaning, is that what you are advocating? Because that leads to hair-trigger scared people causing injury and mayhem and ruining their own lives in doing so. NOT the solution. But my answer was erased after posting, because apparently pop can’t get the meaning of that comment. For those of you who are too young to know the story, google his name.

    • HaileUnlikely

      Not advocating, predicting. Very different.

      • Ok, I’ll advocate for it. Because a couple of kids on bikes just rode down our street (less than a block away from the assault), busting out car windows. At 4:30 on a Saturday afternoon.

  • I passed them probably a few minutes before they did this. I didn’t see the incident, but would bet it was the same group as they were pretty distinctive. They were walking in the middle of the street, and giving cars the finger. I crossed the street, and ducked into a friends house instead of instead of continuing on to Target as planned. Hate that we have to live like this in DC.

    • HaileUnlikely

      You can see a video of the group taken from a security camera at a condo building seconds before the attack on myfoxdc dot com.
      .
      And to those above who suggest that this could have been avoided by crossing the street or changing direction, they ran up on the victim from behind, and half of them approached from the street. I don’t think anything that the victim could have done would have successfully avoided this attack.

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