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  • They’re spreading like kale locusts now, lol

  • Congratulations every homeowner in the immediate vicinity on your newfound equity.

  • This is dangerous. Right on the 90s route to Trader Joes too, I can hit both on one trip.

  • Egad

    My property value just exploded.

    • Between this, the newly announced businesses on 7th and 9th and the two at City Market at O, I’m feeling pretttty self-satisfied right now.

  • I always temper my excitement when I hear “confirmed” and “sources close to the…”

  • This will be SO CONVENIENT (five years from now when it finally opens).

  • I love the name of the area — NoSha.

  • jim_ed

    I’m sure I’m in the tiny minority, but I would have much rather preferred the long rumored for this site Harris Teeter rather than a Whole Foods.

    • I would agree with you from a lifestyle perspective, but a Whole Foods is just such a property value game changer that I can’t complain.

      • jim_ed

        I totally get that, and if I lived in the neighborhood I’d be hearing the cash register noises in my head too. Just from purely selfish reasons it’d be nice to have a closer Teeter to Petworth, since I’ve written off the Adams Morgan store and getting to the one in NoMa can be a pain due to all the traffic on N Cap. Ce’st la vie, I’ll wait patiently for the long rumored one in the future Douglas project at Georgia and Eastern Ave.

        • What’s so awful about the Adams Morgan HT? Sure, nowhere as nice at the shiny new buildings in NoMa and Navy Yard, but I find it pretty well stocked and convenient. The only thing I’ve written off there is the deli counter, where you can time the service with a sundial.

          • I agree – I used to shop at the Adams Morgan HT all the time until I moved and I loved it. Probably still my favorite regular grocery store in the city.

        • Why do people hate the Harris Teeter on Kalorama in AdMo? I used to shop there all the time when I lived in DuPont. It was my favorite grocery store and I always thought getting in and out there was easy with the free parking garage.

          • I’ve been wondering that, too. I was in there last night – it’s clean, I always find what I need/want, and the staff are friendly and helpful – what’s not to like? That store was a game-changer in my quality of life when it opened – prior to that my convenient choices were the secret Safeway (Townhouse), and Columbia Road Safeway. Thank you HT!

      • Agreed with all of tihs.

    • Damn, would have loved a convenient teeter, I hate dealing with adams morgan traffic for grocery shopping (can’t stand the giant), and never feel like spending whole foods prices.

      • Obviously it depends on exactly what you’re buying, but I compared prices on the stuff I was buying at HT vs. WF for a few months and they were exactly the same. Individual items varied, but for the same grocery list, the receipts would be within a few dollars of each other. I was pretty surprised.

    • Jim, you live in northern Petworth if I’m not mistaken? Just curious, but why would you prefer a Teeter over a Whole Foods. Presumably, Petworth Giant fills the same void as a Teeter, and it’s closer to you than the potential Teeter. A Whole Foods at this location means you don’t have to travel to P street whenever you need something from WF.

      • Giant is a lot more expensive than Harris Teeter though. Maybe even more expensive than Whole Foods.

      • Harris Teeter offers a much nicer shopping experience and selection than Giant or Safeway. The HT in Adams Morgan is really small so it’s missing the selection HT is known for; and the deli counter service is abysmal.

        • The deli counter service is abysmal at pretty much EVERY grocery store I go to (Columbia heights giant, Adams Morgan Harris Teeter, Petworth Safeway). The only one that’s decent is Whole Foods.

      • jim_ed

        I do live in Northern Petworth. Did you by chance mean the Petworth Safeway, or the Columbia Heights Giant? I don’t shop at the Petworth Safeway because I’ve found its prices to be outrageously high for a Safeway. It’s been a while since I’ve been in there, but I recall them asking something like over $3-4/lb for skinless chicken thighs, as well as the milk being quite expensive. The Columbia Heights Giant is always too packed, and trying to get to it via car is usually a nightmare. If either of them were within reasonable walking distance, but since I’m driving anyways, I might as well go somewhere I like much better.
        I’m sure it depends on what you like to buy, but I find H-T to be really quite affordable compared to other city options, and I think their meets and produce are higher quality than what I’ve gotten at Safeway. I’ve always found Whole Foods to be far more expensive than H-T, and I think they get away with selling some really lousy products (especially in their bakery) because of the prestige of their name.

    • I find fewer and fewer reasons to go to HT / Safeway / Giant. In Park View, the Petworth Safeway is close enough and good enough for me in that category.

      • The Petworth safeway is getting to be too much like Columbia Heights Giants. Sucks balls, insane lines, shitty produce and limited organic selection I will take Harris Teeter in any location over either of those options.

        • I buy mostly organic produce – I’m curious to know what you find lacking (that you can find elsewhere)? I buy milk, cheese, yogurt, chicken, eggs, strawberries, blueberries, bananas, avocado, apples…all organic. What are they missing? Greens?

  • And those of us who rent continue to get pushed further east. Congrats on your home purchases.

    • Do what I did. Buy farther East and sit and wait.

      • I Dont Get It

        Thats what I did 20 years ago in Logan/U…I could never afford my house now!

      • Holler.

      • Seriously. I bought a cheap ass house out East which is now in an area which would be very hard for me to rent in, let alone afford to buy in.

      • There aren’t a lot of affordable SFHs east of Shaw either. Bloomingdale, Eckington, and Brookland have all gotten pretty pricey. There are still plenty of affordable condos, though, which doesn’t appeal to everyone but probably a good bet from an investment (and tax savings) perspective.

        • Agreed! Condos offer something to the single crowd (which I belong to) and couples w/no kids. No way I could afford a sfh in DC – but I get a tax break and equity all the same.

      • Hello Benning Road!

  • Pleasepleaseplease let this plan include connecting W Street. That could save me a whole four minutes off my walk 🙂

  • Shorter lines on P Street. And the people who spend tons of money on nothing are entertaining.

  • tonyr

    I now have two Whole Foods within walking distance inter alia. Bit like having an heir and a spare. Jolly Good!

  • A whole foods across from a music venue. Punk as eff.

    In a few years, if all goes according to plan, the District can achieve its goal of looking exactly like Rockville.

    • Does 930 club own their building? Or are they watching their rent creep/skyrocket up, too?

      • Seth Hurwitz owns the building, but I hear he hates music and has been trying to push the club out for years. 😉

      • When the value of that huge piece of property reaches a certain level, they’ll undoubtedly cash out and move yet again.

        • Because Whole Foods is in the real property arbitrage business?

        • The Washingtonian this month said he was already planning another club near Nationals stadium. I’m not sure if it would be in addition to 9:30 or instead of it, though.

          • tonyr

            I believe that IMP is only going to be promoting/booking that venue, like they do at Merriweather etc. rather than owning it. Also I seem to remember that it’ll be something like 6,000 capacity which means that it’s not comparable to the 9:30. I did wonder what the market for that size venue is, but that’s a different conversation.

    • Because the natural state of city centers is low-income blight, lip rings, and food deserts.

  • awesome news. Let hope the goodness just keeps on spreading north up GA and Sherman all the way to Park View.

    • Hoping for the same thing!

    • It should definitely impact the Sherman – GA corridor (which includes Pleasant Plains and Southern Park View) moving north. That area has always been ripe to connect up to Petworth. This should kickstart and if I were looking to buy that would be the place!

    • Viva Sherman!

  • I also have to wonder how relevant Whole Foods still is, in regard to urban revitalization in 2015 DC. My rebuilt neighborhood Safeway (Georgetown) is so vastly improved that I very rarely need to set foot in Whole Foods anymore. And for all the little fancy things like beer, meats, cheeses or health foods, there are so many better options now that Whole Foods doesn’t even register anymore. Ten years ago it was a big deal. Today? It’s like the street car, in that it’s less useful on its own merits than it is as a booster for real estate values.

    • Agreed – though I do like Whole Foods, there are more options as more people have become foodies.
      I’d also be a lot more excited to be hearing about a huge, overpriced, posh, locally-owned gourmet megastore going in someplace than I am to hear about the ubiquitous, $4T in equity, Texas based, Starbucks of the 20-teens plopping out yet another branch in the District.

    • maxwell smart

      Whole Foods has really become the symbol of “this area has made it!” which is really to say “this area has officially been gentrified and is now safe for white, upper middle class people to live, work and shop. This isn’t strictly a DC thing – look at New York. There’s a Whole Foods now in the Bowery a stones throw away from where CBGB was located. It’s essentially become the Starbucks of grocery stores. That said, in terms of quality of merchandise, anymore I almost exclusively shop at Whole Foods and Magruders. I have found Safeway to be more expensive then Whole Foods and their produce always is terrible. Giant is a little better but not much.

      • “I have found Safeway to be more expensive then Whole Foods and their produce always is terrible.”

        Couldn’t agree more. I’m near the rebuilt Waterfront Safeway, and while it’s much nicer now, their produce is terrible. Either they’re constantly out of everything, or what’s left is wilted and limp. I’ve actually seen moldy produce on the shelves on a number of occasions. Once I pointed it out to the checker and yet it was still there four days later.

        This is why I shop at Whole Foods.

    • And do you think that lousy Safeway would have bothered to rebuild and improved had not Whole Foods and Teeter entered the market?

    • I completely agree. I find it more interesting/exciting to think of a Wegmans, H Mart or even Trader Joe’s than a Whole Foods….. they’re everywhere in DC it seems. I live in Takoma and am really hoping that Wegmans comes into the Walter Reed space. Whole Foods has been very public and aggressive about wanting that spot, but there’s another WF very close by in Silver Spring. The nearest Wegman’s is much much further away, way out in Fairfax or Landover (I think? never been to that one).

      • There’s one in Germantown now – might be further depending on traffic/where exactly you live. Love me some Wegmans.

    • Mid-town Detroit has a brand new “urban” whole foods. At least when I saw it six months, it was in a pretty scarce area. As in not Shaw/Park View/Petworth/Nope whatever, but like not a whole lot around it other than the refurbished Shinola factory. I think it is safe to assume that WF has figured out that its expansion potential is not in the suburbs, but in smaller stores in urban areas. I am not a fan of WF in general but it could definitely beat the new Petworth Safeway which is pretty but quite lacking in service and quality.

  • I’m very excited for this, but I’m not sure this will raise property values as much as a WFs used to, ie, on 14 and P back in 2000s. This area is already built up and nice –> this WF shouldn’t really make as big of an impact.

    • I’m going to agree with this. This will not be the “game changer” that everyone is hoping. The area is already packed with upper-income, young residents who are buying everything on the market. It’s not driving any real change in the area. And frankly, I think by the time this is built there will already be a glut of housing in this area, interest rates will be higher, and incomes will continue to stagnate. It’s not like people will be able to magically borrow more money to drive prices higher. The only way this can “change” the area is if it somehow starts drawing in an older, wealthier demographic (i.e., Bethesda retirees looking to downsize). I don’t see that happening, TBH.

      • That’s been happening already for some time in DC (wealthy DC-area residents downsizing and moving to a walkable, urban environment). I don’t know if they’ll start flocking to this area in particular based on WF alone, but the WF will certainly make the area seem less scary to them.

        • I agree with that. But I don’t honestly think those types of people will want to be on Georgia Ave. It’s still a sketch-fest on certain stretches of this area. Those folks will want a condo in Georgetown, Dupont, or somewhere “cleaner.” And frankly, my experience with older retirees is that they are very much set in their ways and routines. While some may be excited for a “new, urban, walkable experience,” I think they are very much in the minority. Especially as they become less mobile. Retirees are very much car reliant.

      • I agree with this as well. I believe the proliferation of whole foods, luxury condos/rentals, and restaurants have already increased the property values here and all over the city. In my opinion, unless you look EOTR or parts farther out in the district, property values are already astronomical.

    • justinbc

      It might make a difference if you’re 1 or 2 blocks away, but for everyone else the original WF on 14th and P already helped push the areas values up. The colloquial Shaw (ignoring arguments about technical boundaries) benefited greatly by being sandwiched in between U Street corridor and Logan who were both growing rapidly the last decade, and its property values have already risen accordingly. This might have a minor impact in 3 years or so when it’s done, but by that time this area will already have realized most of its property value increase.

    • I think the more significant effect won’t be for property values in the immediate area — which are already pretty high — but for the neighborhoods to the north and east. Pleasant Plains should definitely feel an effect, and I’m hoping it’ll continue up Georgia Avenue all the way through Park View, connecting with Petworth. It should also make a difference in the less-fancy parts of LeDroit Park and Truxton Circle, and maybe east of the FRINJ intersection too.

  • C’mon folks….grocery delivery. It’s a revelation.

    • I tried it, but I actually like grocery shopping. Choosing my own produce, looking to see what’s new and what’s on special, chatting with the people at the fish counter about what’s in season or especially good. I love it. In the summer I hit several farmer’s markets, WF, and usually a specialty store or two every week. It drives my wife nuts though. Judging by the number of instacart people at the P St Whole Foods, there’s lots of people like you and her.

      • I actually really like grocery shopping too. We probably split 50/50 delivery and in-store. With two small kids and two full-time jobs, sometimes delivery is simply a lifesaver. But no doubt there are things that I do and don’t get/do specifically depending on whether it’s delivery or in-person. Point being, it’s not the do all end all if there isn’t a grocery store within 5 minutes. It’s nice, no doubt, but in 2015 we have options.

  • While speculation may be a major factor in real estate prices in the area, there is till room to grow. Whole Foods Markets in urban areas tend to affect the area in multiple ways. They drive up demand for rental housing in the immediate vicinity and they put more feet in the streets. This foot traffic drives up potential commercial rent in the area which forces your old school nail salons, carry-outs and markets to move when their rent gets jacked up. They are soon replaced by boutiques and trendy restaurants. There is usually another round of commercial rents increasing because the area is much safer and those boutiques are replaced by your Chipotles, Starbucks and other large chains.

    • The amount of foot traffic that’s going to be dropped into this area between this and the rest of the developments on U street and by the 9:30 club is a real game changer for the area.

  • Whole Foods is great — but the Mom’s at Ivy City (New York Ave) is truly awesome, IMHO! I would love to see more of these locally-owned and managed gems around town.

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