Dear PoPville – Where to Watch the 2011 rugby world cup and Where to Find Jobs Abroad

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“Dear PoPville,

I’m trying to find a place in DC to watch the upcoming 2011 Rugby World Cup. Are you aware of any Bars that will be showing at least some of the games? Thanks!”

I would guess Touchdown at 1334 U St, NW will be showing it. Anyone else know who will be showing games?

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“Dear PoPville,

I’ve been a resident of the District for about five years now, and although I think DC is awesome, I have recently been having a hankering to live overseas. I am a early 30’s single female, so I have no one else to worry about but me. My question to the residents of PoPville is, how do I go about finding a job overseas? Are there any organizations that could be recommended I apply to? Anyone have experience just packing up and moving abroad? Any suggestions would be appreciated?”

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  • I’m sure Fado in Chinatown will show the matches again. I watched the last RWC there. Matches will be mid to late evening if played live.

    • Only a handful of matches (all lower profile) start prior to midnight EDT. Fado will have replays when they open in the morning.

  • has international volunteer/job opportunities. If you’re adventurous, you could find an organization that places English teachers–big in Asia.

    Without friends/family or a net of any kind, however, I’d stick to places where natives are pretty good at English and where a lot of other English-speaking expats are living. Germany is pretty good to the “I-just-wanted-live-abroad crowd.”

    At least, it used to be. I’ve heard things have changed.

  • SusanRH

    Lou’s will be showing the Rugby World Cup

  • The work abroad thing…

    Sounds far more romantic than it actually is. Being that you are in your early 30’s,

    The best way to get abroad is to have your employer send you there, but in my experience that comes in 3 options;

    1. You work in finance…and high powered finance at that.

    2. You work in management or strategy consulting. Again…these are relatively high powered jobs requiring the creds to pull it off.

    3. You work for uncle sam. The State Dept is always the first thing people think of, but Dept of Ag, Customs and Border Protection, DHS, FAA etc all cumulativly thousands of employees working abroad at any given time.

    If you don’t do any of these, or can’t get positions like the above, then you are pretty screwed, unless you don’t mind working low wage off the book jobs stocking shelves or working in a coffee shop.

  • Fado’s – has a dedicated rugger watching space every weekend I try go in and watch the Champions League. From what I can tell they do it pretty well. I have always enjoyed watching football there so rugby can’t be half bad. Plus it is usually pretty packed and jovial.

  • If you want to work abroad, your two quickest and easiet options are the following.

    1. Teach English.

    2. Go to Iraq, Afghanistan, or another inhospitable country through one of the many private contractors and government agencies that are trying to field people there.

    There are plenty of other options, but they take more time and require certain specializations, and I don’t know anything about your professional profile.

    • Yep, a college classmate teaches English in Korea. Loves it a ton. Doesn’t pay much, but is certainly livable. Fairly easy to get a job with simply a college degree.

  • Peace Corps is always an option.

  • What field do you want to work in, what part of the world do you want to live in, and do you speak any foreign languages? That would seem like a good starting point to narrow the advice you get.

    If what you’re looking for is simply the experience of living abroad, I had a great experience spending a year in Asia on a Fulbright grant, and definitely recommend doing a program like that (I taught at a high school – they have grants for things other than research).

    As for actually working, however, unless you’re on a career track relevant to a particular position, or you work for a multinational company/organization, it is hard to find a “real” job if your main goal is for it to simply be “overseas.” A lot of people teach English internationally, but most legit programs (that employ actual professionals, not just kids looking for an adventure) require a TOEFL certificate or education degree. does seem to have a lot of international postings, however – I’d start there.

    • Legit programs in Western Europe (and maybe Eastern Europe; not sure) tend to require special qualifications.

      In Asia usually all you need is a bachelor’s degree… in anything (doesn’t have to be English-specific).

      • Not necessarily true anymore – to teach at a reputable program or an international school, you definitely need TOEFL certification. The programs that only require bachelors degrees, with a few notable exceptions, tend to be more disorganized and not always great about obtaining visas.

        • The JET program (in Japan) doesn’t require TOEFL certification, only a bachelor’s degree.

          It’s true that the more qualifications someone possesses, the better a position he/she can obtain… but TOEFL certification takes time and money, and the OP might not want to go down that route.

          There are definitely programs out there that are sketchy or otherwise undesirable. Nova, a chain of English conversational schools in Japan, had a reputation for exploiting its foreign teachers:

  • ledroittiger

    Your best bet is to become a sex worker.

  • Solly’s might be a nice spot for the Egg Chaser World Cup. Though many of the matches kick-off in the middle of the night.

  • Thinking about how to put these two questions together…I have spent a fair bit of time in the South Pacific, where rugby is king, and English is widely spoken. If I were going to pick up and move (and I am in a similar demographic as the LW, so maybe it can still happen!), I might pick Fiji. Pros: gorgeous country, inexpensive, very nice people in my experience, terrific Indian food (the country is about 40% Indian descent now), easy enough flights from the West Coast, lots of regional and international orgs with offices in Suva and Nadi that you might be able to work at. Cons: It’s currently a dictatorship, and there are tensions between the Fijian and Indo-Fijian groups. Of course it’s a developing country with the attendant challenges there.
    Anyway…my vote for the LW would be to check out that general part of the world. There’s always WWOOFing in Australia or New Zealand, if you want to stick your toe in the water.

    • putting the two together:

      really, though, the second OP needs to get a little bit more specific. you can do a lot of things a lot of places depending on your qualifications and what you’re interested in. i’ve worked in brazil and vietnam on very different things and found the jobs in very different ways. i’d suggest caution if you’re being driven by a desire to just be in another country instead of following the desire to do interesting/rewarding work. a lame 9 to 5 in bangkok might be better than a lame 9 to 5 in DC, but you’re not really getting at the underlying problem.

      • Good advice. Given that the OP didn’t give any suggestions as to what their qualifications are and what they might want to do, I suspect they’re directionless. Going abroad probably won’t address the issue of what they want to do with their life.

  • Solly’s is the first place I think of when thinking of rugby.

  • For information on teaching English abroad, check out Dave’s ESL Cafe at The site design isn’t particularly impressive, but I found it very useful when I was looking into teaching abroad in 1997. (Other sites have probably sprung up since then.)

    If you’re interested in teaching in Japan, look into the JET Program:

    • And not to be a wet blanket, but getting a job abroad is not as easy as many people imagine it to be. Most countries have restrictions whereby they can hire foreigners only if they’ve exhausted the domestic options first (and in EU countries, I believe that extends to the whole EU).

  • I packed up and moved to New Zealand for a year a few years ago. If you’re 30 or under they have a great working holiday visa which lets you stay in the country and work for a year. ( I think Australia has something similar, other countries do as well, I’m sure.

    Many countries, especially Asian countries have teacher visas. There are lots of firms that place English teachers in Japan and China, for instance. You usually have to be a native English speaker and have a college degree.

    I’ve heard of women finding jobs as nannies to people in Europe who want their kids to be around native English speakers.

    Depending on what your skills are you may be able to find a better paying job which could sponsor you for permanent residency.

    It’s a great adventure for anybody blessed with no debt and a little money saved. Be sure to always have a return ticket home ready in case things get desperate, but you’ll probably be fine if you have a little cushion.

    • Even teaching English in Asia can be a lot harder than it sounds. Lots of people show up only to find that the organization that placed them was somewhat shady, and have trouble getting them to secure a real work visa. I knew tons and tons of people who ended up just working illegally on tourist visas and hoping they wouldn’t get caught.

      Now that I’ve thought about it more, my #1 piece of advice is to network with people who have worked, studied, or lived in countries that interest you. In DC, there is definitely no shortage of people who have had cool international experiences! Pretty much everyone I know who had an interesting international job got it because they knew someone who had a lot of experience and connections in a certain country. And they first had to go to that country, do some volunteer work, and secure make some connections themselves – so keep that in mind.

      • agreed, you have to do your research with these teacher placement services. There are definitely some that are better than others.

    • New Zealand has a one year working holiday visa for Americans up to the age of 35 as well

      Most NZ government departments do not require you to be a New Zealand citizen or resident to work- living abroad doesn’t mean you’re stuck with working ‘menial’ jobs.

      And you get to live in the country that will very soon be the Rugby World Cup Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • I wonder why BUNAC says the age cutoff is 35 but through NZ immigration (linked above) it’s 30. Weird.

        • I think with BUNAC you have to be a full time student or have been a full time student within 12 months of going. Those were the rules when I worked in London through them back in the day.

          • Yeah, at one time when I was in grad school I was looking into getting a UK working visa through BUNAC, and at least then there was that same 12-month rule.

        • We’re both right- New Zealand actually has two working holiday schemes.
          (So people can end up going for two years if they really like it.)
          Bunac allows people up to the age of 35 but has an annual limit of 1500 or something similar
          The other scheme has an age limit of 30 but no limit on the number of people that can go

  • The Queen Vic on H Street for rugby.

  • Or you could do what these people did, move to China and start their own company:

    Of course who knows how much paperwork or hoops they had to go thru to start it.

  • claire

    I’m currently in the process of planning a year in Buenos Aires, and everything seems to be telling me that getting a job in another country is quite difficult. I’m lucky that I’ve been able to save up money and should have enough for the year over there, and if this is at all a possibility for you (even if it means putting off moving there for a while – you probably need this time to plan anyway), you should try to save the money. It helps to pick some place with a much lower cost of living and then to plan what you will be doing while there.

    I would say there are three main categories of things you can plan on doing while there (in addition to enjoying the country, of course):
    1) Some big project you’ve been meaning to do but keep putting off because you don’t have enough time/energy – learning to play an instrument, learning a language, writing a novel, honing your painting skills, etc
    2) Something career related, if possible (online classes make this pretty easy, but you could also try volunteering) – this can help you not seem totally out of the loop when you come back to the US or maybe even lead to a job in the country you’re in
    3) Something that could independently make you money down the line – a website or online venture of some sort

    Planning on a year long chunk of time in another country (and having enough money saved for that year) seems a bit more manageable than a move somewhere for an indefinite amount of time, and you can always work towards a way to stay in the country by the end of the year without the stress of having to figure it out right away. Of course, you have to potentially deal with the hassle of how to stay in the country for a year on a tourist visa (Argentina will keep issuing 60 day tourist visas on re-entrance to the country and Uruguay is an hour long boat ride away so my plan is to take trips to Uruguay (and/or other countries) every 2 months or so).

    Good luck!

    • Claire, be careful with this… I don’t know how strict Argentina is with this, but in other countries it can be risky.

      At the time I went to Japan, I’d heard that Westerners used to go there, work illegally, and go to South Korea at 6-month intervals so as to re-enter on a new tourist visa… but then there was a crackdown.

      • It doesn’t sound like she’s planning to work. I don’t think most countries care as much if you’re just coming and going on tourist visa without working. The crackdowns on countries where I lived were aimed specifically at English teachers and other Westerners getting paid without having the right visa.

        • Yeah, I was thinking that too (about her not planning on working), but wasn’t sure how that would work if she were confronted at immigration. Like, how would you _prove_ you’re not working?

          But I guess Argentina probably doesn’t have the same issues as Japan in that respect and thus doesn’t do crackdowns.

      • claire

        Thanks for the concern – luckily, Argentina is most decidedly not strict about this from all I’ve read. In fact, even staying in the country on an expired tourist visa is not a huge deal. You just have to pay a fine ($300 last I heard) upon leaving the country.

        But, as C points out, I’m not planning on working while over there (except potentially volunteering) so officials tend to care less when that’s the case.

  • If you are nautically inclined – or at least smart, a quick study and willing to work your ass off. Pick a sailing/yachting hub – start with the Caribbean or Bahamas or Australia. There is usually work for crew to sail a boat from one place to another, or cook.

  • Fado showed it last time around (for a $20/day cover) as did the Irish Channel (also for $20/day cover).

  • Re: the Rugby World Cup:
    As many have mentioned, Fado usually shows rugby, and it’s a big place that can be a real good time with a rugby crowd; and they will open early – 7AM – for good matches. Irish breakfast and a pint. They often charge a hefty cover, though. Other local rugby club bars which might be showing matches include:
    Duffy’s on Vermont Ave;
    Solly’s (11th & U);
    The Pour House (Penn Ave SE)
    My Brother’s Place (2nd St NW)
    As mentioned above, the time difference will be a challenge, but it’s not like American TV will be blasting the results, so even if you have to watch same-day tape delay it should be OK.

  • what network is playing the World Cup in the US?

  • When I lived in Munich, there was an english-speaking network that hung out online at a forum called Toy Town Munich. Looks like it’s expanded and has a lot more to offer, including information on how to get a job and find a place to live there. You really can’t go wrong in a place where there are plenty of others who’ve done it all before and speak the native language and yours. There are so many international companies there, you’ll make friends from all over the world. Plus, Munich is a great base for cheap travel all over Europe.

  • maybe Bottom Line? all of my Aussie and NZ rugby player pals frequent this bar quite a bit..

  • I ended up moving back to the States after 7 years in Germany due to the lack of a working permit. All students can work a certain amount per month, and tuition is nominal, so you could try that route for a bit. If you don’t speak any foreign languages then it will be harder to find something, as others have mentioned. I spoke the language fluently, and even got my German MA and couldn’t get a working permit for something decent. That was early two thousands, so perhaps it has changed, though the economy over there is still tight so I imagine it would have only gotten worse.

    Teaching English in a country that has special programs for that sounds like your easiest route.

  • As someone who used work for an international NGO, I always had problems with people who came to me to work on project because THEY wanted to move, go overseas, etc. Meanwhile, they didn’t speak the language, understand the political situation or have any relevant skills. International organizations have missions and are trying to accomplish certain goals, they are not vacation planning organizations or there to help you realize a dream. Please do a very thorough analysis of your skills and what you can offer to an organization and apply as if you would any job. If you don’t have the skills to work at these jobs, consider applying to a university overseas or do some volunteer work but going to Idealist and looking at overseas jobs just cuz it would be like totally cool to live overseas just wastes the time of the NGOs.

  • andy

    Hello. I am a person with a liberal arts degree bored with the entertainment options and level of intellectual achievement of my peers in a major US city and would like to party and/or gain enlighment and/or emotional fulfillment in foreign capitals, preferably those with living standards similar to or better than my own, or where there are significantly large enough developed areas that I can stay within them and not have to visit/see/think about slums, life without plumbing or donuts, etc. I would prefer that my life over the next several years resemble the plot of Eat, Pray, Love. Can you make that possible?

    • That’s a lot of assumptions to make about the OP, or anyone else interested in living/working abroad.

      Would it really be so much better if everyone in the U.S. just stayed here and never had the experience of living abroad??

  • Angles Bar in Adams Morgan.

  • OP here(working abroad), I apologize for the vagueness of my post. I am 32, single female with a Masters degree in HR Management and several years of experience in the field. I wouldn’t mind staying in that field, but am open to a new venturing into a new field. I’ve always dreamed of living/teaching in Africa, but I’ve always been to afraid to venture out and try.

    Alas, I’m not getting any younger and I don’t want to wake up 80 years old, thinking would, could, shoulda. Moving has been o my mind a lot lately, I just wasn’t sure how to even start. You guys have been very helpful.

    Thank you!

    • Given that the economic situation in much of the developed world is as bad, if not worse, than it is in the U.S., my advice would be to have a job before you leave. This is particularly true since it sounds as if you want to do some kind of professional work, as opposed to wait tables or some other odd job that pays just enough to finance your living situation. The unemployment rate in the EU is about the same as it is here. And those countries are typically far more protective of their citizens’ job opportunities than the U.S. There are some extremely high unemployment numbers in Africa. I wouldn’t count on just showing up in another country and being able to find a good job.

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