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Make No Mistake – Black Lives Matter

by Prince Of Petworth — February 16, 2017 at 9:45 am 83 Comments

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mccormick sends us:

“Looks like someone vandalized the Black Lives Matter sign at 16th and Columbia. Literally whitewashed the “black” out.”

We are DC and we know that Black Lives Matter despite petty vandalism. In spite of petty vandalism. In fact I’m glad this opportunity has risen to reaffirm the fact that Black Lives Matter and the movement is real and not going anywhere despite the fractures and hurdles that still must be overcome.

  • dcd

    There’s a metaphor for gentrification, and DC in general.

    • Anon

      That’s deep bro

    • anonymouse_dianne

      That’s All Souls Unitarian Church which has existed in that location since at least the 1950’s. It has nothing to do with gentrification. The same sign was defaced in the same way at River Road Unitarian Universalist Congregation in Bethesda MD.

      • dcd

        I know the church, I used to attend it. I meant the whiting over of the word “Black” is a metaphor for gentrification in DC – whiting out of neighborhoods. I know it doesn’t ACTUALLY pertain to gentrification – hence the word metaphor.

  • stacksp

    The slogan is meant to mean “Black Lives Matter Too” but for some reason it is not received that way but rather “Black lives are more important than…”

    • Anon

      “some reason” = racism

      • Brett M

        Another day, another racist.

        • James W.

          It’s not an insult, it’s a characterization. Obviously nobody likes being called out on their racial bias. That doesn’t mean it’s non-existent.

      • tom

        How would the phase “white lives matter” be received.? That makes it different then the breast cancer analogy. It is perceived as a double standard.

        Now obviously that misses the broader social context with reguard to race in America. But we should educate not write off those people.

        IMO, a universal ALM would have been more in the pragmatic Barack Obama/MLK “I have a dream” mode that has historically delivered more tangible social progress. I know most posters disagree with my view.

        For the topic at hand, whomever defaced this banner is an idiot who deserves our scorn. I hope we can all at least agree on that.

        • James W.

          You can’t set aside the social context – that’s the whole point. It’s like saying, “other than that whole slavery and segregation thing, blacks have had it pretty good in America.” Can you imagine making that statement? Then perhaps you can understand why trying to carve out some place of privilege for an already-priviliged group would rightfully earn condemnation.

        • skj84

          People love to bring up MLK as he was this colorblind peaceful maryter. Make no mistake, MLK put progressive white people on blast for apathy. MLK called for civil disobedience and was not here for making white people comfortable in doing so. Read his letter from a Birmingham Jail. Espcialally this passage:

          “I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.”

          • stacksp

            More MLK quotes that people never seem to recognize:

            “We must be concerned not merely about who murdered them but about the system, the way of life, the philosophy which produced the murderers”

            “Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.”

            “A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth with righteous indignation. It will look across the seas and see individual capitalist of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries”

    • Anon

      Then the slogan probably should have been that: “Black Lives Matter Too”. Or, “Black Lives Also Matter”. I think the confusion arose because people like Bernie S were pilloried and shouted down when, in support of BLM, they said “yes, black lives matter, all lives matter”. Suddenly, saying that all lives matter was considered racist… which is very “1984”.

      • stacksp

        Thing is, its universally understood what is meant by the slogan but manipulated for political reasons and to incite reactionary responses which at its core is disingenuous.

      • James W.

        There’s no need for a modifier? Nobody in their right mind would read the statement as mutually exclusive to the value of other lives. Hamburgers matter. That’s not a statement on pizza. I’m not in favor of giving people a pass on their thinly veiled bigotry.

      • CapHillNative

        If every time there was a walk for breast cancer there were people angrily shouting ALL CANCERS MATTER, or eliminating the word “breast” it would not be tolerated. This is bigotry.

      • mona

        Even if the slogan was “Black Lives Matter Too” some people would have still been unhappy with it. They would have come up with something like “White Lives Matter Too” or “Other Lives Matter Too”. You can never win. I think it is pretty clear what this means considering how the slogan came about…But many people for “some reason” choose to ignore that.

      • Tim

        Changing the name or phrasing would be to give in to opponents of everything BLM stands for (in large part, racists). “Black Lives Matter” is grammatically not difficult to understand. It’s not saying black lives are superior to others or that other lives don’t matter because THOSE ARE LITERALLY NOT WHAT THE WORDS ARE! The BLM founders have repeatedly said that those sentiments are not what the movement is about at all. “All Lives Matter” only became a “thing” after BLM, and it is meant in response to it. Sure, all lives do matter, but the mantra has only become a “thing” because they have a problem with the notion of “black lives matter” and an inability/aversion to recognize that their is race-specific oppression in the US against black people.

      • Anon

        Found the bigot!

        • anon7

          Statements like the above are the reason no one can have meaningful dialog in a public forum. It’s basically, “if you don’t agree with me, you are automatically a racist.” While the Far Right does alternative facts worse than anyone else, you are certainly an example of the same kind of thinking on the left.

          • Anon

            Please explain to me how statements like those made by the OP aren’t rooted in bigotry. Genuinely curious.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Ignorance and bigotry are totally different things, though in some cases may have similar outward manifestations. You have observed that somebody disagrees with you about word usage and have immediately concluded that you know all that there is to know about that person’s character. Your educated guess might be right, but it might not be, and while we may disagree on the following point, I think that is a distinction that actually matters. With some work, an ignorant person can be brought around to your side; a bigot probably won’t be, barring divine intervention anyway. If you start by assuming (and declaring) that everybody who doesn’t agree with you is a bigot, all you do is ensure that nobody who disagrees with you today will ever come on over to your side tomorrow. If everybody who is against you today is still against you a year from today, you have by definition accomplished nothing, and if you declare that everybody who is against you today is against you because they are evil, you basically guarantee that they’re still going to be against you tomorrow because you are actively repelling them.

          • Anonymous

            Anon, I think the burden is on you to explain how they ARE rooted in bigotry. (Actually I’m not totally sure who you’re calling a bigot, so maybe you could clear that up for us first.) The person you replied to can hardly be accused of bigotry based on that one comment – unless you think “bigotry” means “something other than my exact way of seeing things”.

          • Anon

            Thanks, Haile. Phrasing this in terms of ignorance is helpful.
            .
            Follow-up question: at what point does ignorance become unacceptable? Sticking to the topic of race, say I’m white and was raised in a community that frequently uses racial epithets and sees no issue with treating blacks as inferior. Say I internalized those values and beliefs. Would it be sufficient to call me ignorant to explain my outlook?

          • HaileUnlikely

            I don’t think so. Perhaps that would still be the most fair, but the charity and optimism needed to make that case is almost superhuman. On the other hand, if we take an honest look at the evolution of gay rights and people’s attitudes toward them in the past 10-20 years, I think it makes a strong case for not writing off another person as evil for having not wholeheartedly embraced all aspects of your obviously-righteous cause yet. When asked about his stance on gay marriage either prior to or early in his first term (I don’t recall which), his response was that he “wasn’t there yet.” Now not only President Obama but Dick Cheney has come around.

          • HaileUnlikely

            The “he” in the second-to-last sentence was President Obama. Apologies for the omission – typing quickly and accidentally left that out.

        • Anon

          “Found the bigot”

          Bernie Sanders? Or me, for recalling how he — a supporter of BLM — was shouted off the stage for saying “black lives matter, all lives matter”?

  • kbm

    For me, the laudable sounding public goals of BLM are overshadowed by the movements dodgy, dare I say racist, leadership and rather scary less public goals.

    Google Yusra Khogali

    I also find it puzzling that three children were killed by stray bullets in Chicago this week and no BLM chapter I know of has even commented on it.

    • James W.

      It’s “puzzling” that people can rightfully be concerned about overwhelming violence by police officers against African-Americans without having to condemn every single act of violence anywhere at any time by anyone else? Nevermnd the fact that police officers are rightfully held to a much higher standard than criminals, this faux concern for African-American crime victims is de rigeur for bigoted apologists for police brutality. I’m not suprised you let one voice “overshadow” an overwhelmingly positive movement led by hundreds throughout the country.

      • transplanted

        +1
        So tired of this “If you address every deflection I can imagine or create and then tailor your movement to my feelings, I’ll consider giving a crap about 12 year olds being shot in the face for playing in a park” bs.

      • jumpingjack

        +100, Thank you James W.

    • anon

      Do you really find it puzzling? “They’re” not doing something about “their” crime problem? That whole “black on black crime” thing?
      ***
      Why are black people in Chicago all shoved into one section of the city? Why do we, as a society, allow people to become so desperately poor? Why do we allow our schools to remain so segregated? Why do we allow black people to be consistently harassed by the police? Why is a black young man with the same behavior as a white young man more likely to have encountered the cops and have a record, thereby limiting his employment prospects? Why do crimes committed by black people receive more media coverage than equivalent crimes committed by white people? Why do we treat black people like they’re scary? Why do we act like black people are a drain on the welfare state when in fact more antipoverty resources go to white people?
      ***
      It doesn’t make sense to comment on stray bullets in Chicago when those are symptoms people like you interpret as the disease. (To be clear, by “people like you” I mean “people who think as you do.”) You may not like every person involved with the Black Lives Matter movement. But the distance between where we are now and whatever scary anti-white racist future you’re afraid of is SO LARGE, we’re going to have to pass through justice to get there. So let’s allow progress toward justice without being unnecessarily afraid it will move into retribution without us noticing or something. Literally I don’t even get this argument, but I’m trying.

      • AJSE

        “It doesn’t make sense to comment on stray bullets in Chicago when those are symptoms people like you interpret as the disease.” Powerful and well-said.

      • 1301

        Literally everything you just said. All of this. “But the distance between where we are now and whatever scary anti-white racist future you’re afraid of is SO LARGE, we’re going to have to pass through justice to get there.” Brilliantly put.

      • jumpingjack

        Bravo (anon at 11:15 am)! So well put!

      • Elvis’s Mom

        +infinity. Beautifully said.

    • Colhi

      It’s puzzling that we as a people hold our police officers to a higher standard than gang members?

      • soGood

        awesome – I’ve tried to convey that so many times but somehow never done it so well – thanks @Colhi – full disclosure, I’ll be stealing that line for my next political argument with friends

  • Smilla

    People who insist “All Lives Matter” are either willfully dense or simply racist.

    I like this succinct explanation of why Black Lives Matter is necessary: http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/2014/12/08/all-things-considered/

    • HaileUnlikely

      Thanks for posting. I will stipulate that there are people who reject BLM (the name, the phrase, or the idea) because there are bigots, but I think we do ourselves, the cause, and the many of our neighbors who are simply dense but aren’t bigots a disservice by writing off all of them as racists and bigots, effectively drawing battle lines and declaring a bunch of people enemies who should and could be allies. I think cartoons like this could actually help a lot of good people who have simply failed to grasp the point to get it (perhaps even embrace it, but at least get it). I also like the one where a family is gathered around a dinner table and everybody except one of the kids (call him “Johnny” for the moment) has food, his brother (call him “Bob”) says “Hey Dad, Johnny needs food,” and the Dad correctly but unhelpfully replies “Everybody needs food!”, ignores the fact that Johnny doesn’t have food, dismisses Bob’s plea to give his brother some food, and keeps eating.

      • dcd

        Boiled down – some people are stupid, not racist. We shouldn’t write off the stupid people.
        .
        I am not mocking, by the way – I agree 100%.

    • lizcolleena

      I agree people who “insist” (as is the case with whiting out the word black on this sign) are probably racist, but I want to make a plug for patience and empathy, because I think it’ll help the cause (as mentioned elsewhere in this thread) more than writing off all those who use the ALM phrase or voice dissent.
      .
      Recently my mom said on social media that she was proud of my brother and I are for marching in the Women’s March. She used the phrase all lives matter. I knew what she meant, because she’s my mom and I know her. She is liberal, volunteers in a homeless shelter, creates and gives out care packages for homeless women, supports anti-poverty measures generally and did not mean to undermine the black lives matter movement (not trying to equate BLM with homelessness, that’s just her preferred cause). But she lives outside of the “urban/coastal bubble” and works 60 physical hours a week (in hotel banquets with more immigrants and POC than most of us, I might add) and genuinely didn’t know that ALM is the fearful conservative response to BLM. Of course I spoke with her about it, and she understood and apologized. There are a lot like her out there, and frankly they’re the ones we need to reach if we’re going to make a change in Congress in 2018 or effect real change to further the progressive movement.
      .
      I’d also just point out that many from the “white working class” cannot spend the same kind of time we expend on this site thinking through the nuance of any given political issue. Yes, in large part they got suckered into voting for Trump – and maybe that’s partly because they don’t get the nuance of this kind of thing so their BS meters didn’t go off at his every word – but another part of that is because we “urban/coastal elites” are dismissive, impatient and kind of rude with them. Many of them are barely making ends meet and don’t have the luxury of a cush office job that allows them to read the news at our leisure. It’s not that they’re all willfully dense or racist, it’s that they’re caught up in the grind and can’t afford to step off the hamster wheel (sorry for the mixed metaphors, but you get my meaning). Point is, they’re not the enemy. They’re the middle ground, undecided voter types who we can’t afford to drive away. Unless they’re legit caught with a paint can in their hand, whiting out the word black on a BLM sign, let’s try not to write them off.
      .
      end rant 🙂

      • HaileUnlikely

        Thank you for sharing this. I completely agree. And I absolutely did not intend to refer to people like your mother (my entire family save for one cousin is in the same boat) are “dense” or “stupid,” I used what was admittedly a shortcut in my post in service to the point that there are other factors besides racism/bigotry/evil that people here either don’t think about or are ok with lumping together with racism/bigotry/evil.

  • Anon X

    I agree that “Black Lives Matter” and it doesnt need qualification or a modifier.

    I have many concerns about police brutality and systemic racism – and I understand how Black Lives Matter is a statement meant to highlight the inequalities in our society.

    But, I think shouting down those that dont get it as racist and stupid is a significant contributing factor for the situation we find ourselves in today.

    I think good, well-meaning people can just be on a different page. Empathy is a two way street and putting yourself in the shoes of others might be eye opening to the extent that Americans live in at least 2 different countries in a very pronounced way.

    Further, there are real reasons to be concerned about some of the voices within the BLM – ignoring that or pretending that anyone who says that is a racist is just making the problem worse. Often times it seems the goals for many in the movement are for thoroughly unproductive retribution on their oppressors and anyone who could reasonably be tied to their oppression. Certainly history teaches us that a cycle of oppression and retribution isn’t the way toward peace and reconciliation.

    That said, I am a bit surprised that the vocal “All Lives Matter” reaction has legs here in DC – but I think if it resonates within the most progressive communities that should be a sign that maybe good people just dont get it.

    • James W.

      It’s fair to say there are some very nice racists in the world. The big mistake is thinking that every racist is an aspiring Hitler, spewing hate speech and advocating for genocide. Plenty of racists are ordinary, mild-mannered people, who generally co-exist in society, yet view some races as inherently less capable, less qualified, and less deserving. This is, by definition, racism. You’d be surprised at the prevalence of this sentiment in society – not just ours, but globally. That people bristle and deny the moniker doesn’t make it any less accurate. Let’s stop defining down the terminology just because it makes people uncomfortable.

    • Anon Spock

      How can you be good and well meaning if you’re on a different page with the idea that everyone deserves equal treatment? If people want to claim they’re not racist, then the only thing left is stupid. There is a wealth of material available explaining the what, why, etc, so not understanding why blm is there or why alm is unacceptable is a choice.
      Every movement has some less than stellar characters. That doesn’t mean we get to ignore or discount the message. Gandhi was a racist; he was still able to speak and be heard.

      • ParkViewneighbor

        Agreed in a way. I think that both sides use the idiots on the other to discredit the overall message. Some BLM leaders’ comments on white people being sub-human are really hurting their cause, not so much among the people already following and supporting BLM because they have some understanding that goes beyond that, but mostly among the general population who may or may not have the curiosity to dig deeper than the headlines. Same goes for the alt-right of course, stupidity is a largely shared affliction
        It may be a race to the middle, which side will be able to get support from the average joes

    • Anon X

      You guys just dont get the extent that we are living in a society with a giant wall between us.

      There are a ton of white people who are racist – overtly, closeted, or accidentally.

      There are also a ton of white people who just dont get it.

      As a white person, I see the racists, the closeted ones, overt ones, and the accidental ones. But I also see the people who literally just dont get it. There’s a ton of materials published that explain particle physics. I could read it and not get it – but I dont even read it. I dont get particle physics. The same is true of BLM vs ALM vs any variety of topic in social justice or racial justice.

      I think there are a lot more commonalities between the folks that denounce ignorant white people as stupid and racist and those white people than anyone wants to acknowledge. It is without a doubt that politicians like Trump and the sensationalized news, let alone fake news and social media, have not only divided us but basically separated us.

      I dont think many people in any of the various groups ever have the level of empathy necessary to effectively communicate to people outside their own group. Its something I struggle with so I’m really just observing. If there was more empathy, things would be better.

      • James W.

        This isn’t rocket science. Anyone looking for some basic statistics on policing, arrests, incarceration and just a general overview of slavery and segregation can find it in an instant. How is being “ignorant” some kind of excuse for a failure to see basic injustice in our nation? It’s not an excuse for breaking the law, and it shouldn’t be an excuse for being racist.

        • LittleBluePenguin

          +100000

      • CapHillNative

        I just wish the white people who got it would spend more time teach those who didn’t, instead of asking blacks to change their messaging. It is the number one thing that “woke” white people can do to help. Black people will never have the power or access that other whites will have to those people.

        • anondad

          I don’t think other white people listen to me. I speak up when I think I can, but even then I don’t think people listen and learn very much. Ever.
          Also, I’m probably much less “woke” than I think I am. So I focus on opening my own mind when I can see that I was close-minded / misguided.

          • artemis

            I think we still need to have those conversations though. It isn’t for black people to have to explain and educate white people about institutional racism. That puts another unfair burden on them. And we white people, as the beneficiaries of racism, have to speak out against it. If we can reach those that Haile describes as ignorant (rather than overtly racist) we have more allies in the struggle for equality. I am not saying that I am perfect at this, but since the election, I have felt more convicted in speaking out and having hard conversations with family members.

          • anondad

            I don’t think the burden is on black people or anyone else. And I’ll take it on when I think someone is actually interested in learning. I just think that’s a very small percent of the time. So I’m kind of pessimistic on any meaningful progress in the short term.
            I think that integration / mixing does make a real difference. Like when someone gets a Muslim neighbor and finds out that Fox News is full of it. I’m not sure if that bodes well for our future or not given the increased segregation we’re seeing in some places.

        • Formerly ParkViewRes

          Hmm, I just don’t think it would work like that. The racists I know, you can talk to them all day, explain, and provide facts, tell them not to use the N word, but they won’t get it until it impacts them personally. I think it’s similar to homophobes. They are staunchly anti-gay everything until oops, it turns out their own son is gay. Recently there have been some stories about people who have had a change of heart with Muslims because all they knew was what they watched on Fox News, but then Muslim families moved into their building and they started to see their fears were unfounded.

          • CapHillNative

            That seems so hopeless though. We can’t just wait for everyone to have a black person they care about be affected in an unfair way. Honest question, did (most) white people believe in civil rights after it was in place or right before? Was it necessary to convince most white people? I’m not sure, must research.

          • anondad

            CapHillNative – sadly my expectations for progress are not high. At this point I’m just hoping we don’t regress too far.

          • Formerly ParkViewRes

            It’s not hopeless, it’s just more than white people calling out their fellow white person for their racism or ignorance. I’m not saying we have to wait for everyone to have a black person they care about to be affected in an unfair way. Basically, how do you force a person of privilege who lives around a bunch of white people who think and act just like them to change and open their mind? It’s not impossible, but it’s hard. That’s a good question, I’d be interested to see what you find.

          • artemis

            This is just very light Googling but it looks like white support for civil rights increased after the passage of the Civil Rights Act:

            “A sign of the times, in 1963, a Gallup poll found that 78% of white people would leave their neighborhood if many black families moved in. When it comes to MLK’s march on Washington, 60% had an unfavorable view of the march, stating that they felt it would cause violence and would not accomplish anything.”

            From the Roper Center at Cornell

          • CapHillNative

            Thanks artemis… sounds a bit like what’s happening now. History has been such a good manual for these times.

        • Anon X

          I’d have those conversations if I actually had friends who were part of the problem. I dont have many friends and the ones I do have, are pretty much like the rest of us. Some degree of support.

          Where I see white people that dont get it are in places/situations that i see/observe but not actually a part of. I am as much a part of that white community as I am part of any black community. Sure, I have some distant relatives that i see post on facebook – but I blocked them. I dont engage with them for a variety of reasons – and it predates BLM. A few of them are racist but wouldnt ever own up to it – but most are very myopic. My input into their world view would be about as welcome as yours.

          I am hopeful that Trump is a blip and that the light shines through eventually. I just hope it doesnt get too dark in the meantime.

          I’m not faulting BLM for being on the other side of the cultural/ideological wall. I’m on that side too, really. But because of my background I can see over it into the other side with some clarity. But I’m held in the same contempt by that side as I feel from certain elements on my own side.

          Its a tough place to be to see this conflict, see clearly the misunderstandings, and not really have a role to play. I am resigned to the fact that people with my background and my race arent a welcome addition on either side. Thats just the facts – so I just sit there dumbfounded by the truly repulsive stream of consciousness rants from our President. One of the reasons I liked our last President so much was that he, too, saw over the wall. If he’d had more of a chance politically to make things better, I think he would have. Sadly, political opportunism, racism, and a subpar group of close advisers disabled him early on.

          Maybe I’m actually part of the problem – but I vote the right way and stay out of everyone else’s way.

  • Soapbox Betty

    BLM wants to make sure that black lives matter to white people, whilst continuing to be wishy-washy on whether they actually matter within the black community. It is a racist, ethnocentric movement, no better or more legitimate than any white nationalist organization. Clean up your own house before you criticize others’.

    • Anonymous

      What exactly do you expect black people to do? Contact the DC Department of Gang Services and demand they change policies? Do you realize there’s no Black Leader who controls all black people?
      I’m willing to bet you’re also ignorant about the things people do in their own communities to combat violence. Those kinds of things don’t make the news, especially Fox News, so you might not see it.

      Criminal violence is inherently different from unjust police violence.

      • James W.

        The saddest thing is that you think your last sentence is sarcasm. It couldn’t be more true.

    • DCUnity

      So since on average, 87% of Whites that are killed are by other Whites, is it safe to ask if White Lives Matter in White communities? 9 times out of 10 you’re a “I’m not racist, I have Black friends” kind of “Liberal.”
      .
      I guess in your world only Black on Black crime exists. Did Trump tell you that?

    • stacksp

      Every black person that commits a crime, gets arrested and sentenced. The movement was brought about due to instances of when crimes against black people either led to no charges being brought or under-sentencing of the guilty, and injustices within the legal system. It is not a referendum on crime but rather an attempt for equal justice and prosecution of criminals that commit crimes against AAs.

      • ParkViewneighbor

        Not in DC, re: the youth rehabilitation act fiasco

    • Elvis’s Mom

      It’s all the same house, and we are all responsible for “cleaning it up”. That’s why Black Lives Matter is important, because we can’t keep considering “black problems” as something apart from the rest of us. That’s why we need to be reminded. And why on earth wouldn’t black lives matter to white people in the first place and every other place?

      • kharr89

        +1 to “It’s all the same house.” What Soapbox Betty said was disgraceful.

  • Anonymous

    Until you turn off Fox News and start meeting individuals, you’ll never get it. Yes, your view of “the black community” is racist. Do you think of “the white community” every time there’s a white child molester, school shooting, or investment fraud? No? Then stop thinking of “the black community” every time there’s a gang shooting. Recognize those thoughts for what they are and work to change them. It’s ok.

    What’s your opinion of unfair policing contributing to ” no incentive to join the productive, upwardly-mobile sector of society”? What about when the fathers go to jail for 10x longer than their white counterparts who commit similar crimes?

    • Anonymous

      Dan, why did you delete the comment this responded to? I think they were wrong, but it’s worth discussing. Even if Soapbox Betty doesn’t get it, someone else reading it might learn a thing or two.

  • CapHillNative

    Are you part of the black community? Do you perform work in the black community? What makes you an expert on what the black community is or isn’t addressing? Do you know the historical injustices and causes regarding keeping black families apart? How can you judge the improvements the black community has made to undo the hundreds of years of systemic oppression? Because we have made leaps and bounds. Can you comment on the fact that African American women are obtaining college degrees at higher rates than any other population in the country? We have made the most amazing improvements in our community in such little time of actual freedom in this country (50 years or so right?).
    .
    Also, let’s not compare the private homes of black people to government institutions. Particularly those that have deep roots in the KKK, slave bounty catchers, and controlling the movements of negroes for hundreds of years. It is privilege and entitlement to think that that without expertise or first hand knowledge that you should be able to comment on our priorities. It is privilege to compare the plight of black people in this country to police accountability. How dare you think you know our communities better than we do.

    • CapHillNative

      This comment was in response to Soapbox Betty

  • TrinidadLopez

    It’s Black Lives Matter because no one really ever needed to make a sign that says, “White Lives Matter.”

  • Ben

    So correct me if I’m wrong (as work seems to be blocking the BLM site) – but I recall reading something that struck me. They mentioned the point of the movement was to not instill black lives are better then any other but to bring awareness they are treated worse then others, noting that once black lives are treated as equals among their peers, then the wellness of all others will advance as well.

    • CapHillNative

      From the website:
      What does #BlackLivesMatter Mean?
      When we say Black Lives Matter, we are broadening the conversation around state violence to include all of the ways in which Black people are intentionally left powerless at the hands of the state. We are talking about the ways in which Black lives are deprived of our basic human rights and dignity.

      • kbm

        Deprived how and by whom?

        • Wane Wonder

          According to the popular discourse, not by a culture of crime, negativism and separatism, but rather history and rednecks. Maybe someday the unpopular ugly aspects of all american culture will be included in the argument so it’s not just folks at either end of the spectrum dominating the conversation.

        • CapHillNative

          is your access to the office website also blocked?

          • CapHillNative

            *official

      • Ben

        Ah found my reference

        #BlackLivesMatter doesn’t mean your life isn’t important–it means that Black lives, which are seen as without value within White supremacy, are important to your liberation. Given the disproportionate impact state violence has on Black lives, we understand that when Black people in this country get free, the benefits will be wide reaching and transformative for society as a whole. When we are able to end hyper-criminalization and sexualization of Black people and end the poverty, control, and surveillance of Black people, every single person in this world has a better shot at getting and staying free. When Black people get free, everybody gets free. This is why we call on Black people and our allies to take up the call that Black lives matter. We’re not saying Black lives are more important than other lives, or that other lives are not criminalized and oppressed in various ways. We remain in active solidarity with all oppressed people who are fighting for their liberation and we know that our destinies are intertwined.

  • BMouse

    Geez people — Can we agree that people should stop defacing signs at churches???!!! This is the second time a BLM sign has been stolen or damaged at THIS church.

  • Claire

    Vandalizing a sign at a church. Class.

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