Early Morning Shooting on the 1400 block of Monroe St, NW

From @DCPoliceDept at 4:20am:

“Shooting//1400 Block of Monroe Street NW//No Lookout”

Update from MPD:

“the victim was riding his bike in the 3600 blk of 16th ST when approached by a male subject who demanded bike .. victim refused and tried to flee .. suspect shot once and hit victim in the arm… “

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  • This is like the 7th shooting in DC in the past three days. At what point do you think Mayor Gray or our other elected officials address this? All I hear is more affordable housing blah blah blah. That’s unfortunately part of the problem.

    • …when you start stuffing more money in their campaign coffers than other donors. You pay for their attention.
      In any major city, no politician cares about someone getting shot at 420am. It’s the sad truth.

      • Disagree. Just look at Chicago. The citizens actually pay attention and raise their voices. Mayor Rahm Emmanuel is in for a tough re-election because of it. Maybe people in DC just “accept” it. Why we would he talking more about affordable housing than the shootings & drugs, I have no idea.

        • Chicago is a veritable war zone compared to DC (421 murders vs. 103 in 2013) and the shootings are much more concentrated in a small geographic area in Chicago (south side). That gives the appearance of a “crisis.”
          DC cops have done a really good job cutting down the murder rate.

          • 2.7 Million people in Chicago, and less than 650k in the District. Comparing total murders, instead of murders per capita, seems inadequate.

          • 84 people were shot in Chicago over the July 4 weekend with 14 dead. And most parts of Chicago were not affected.

        • why do people think we just accept it? because little outrage on a blog comment? jesus people. of course people care.

          • If Mayor Gray or Muriel Bowser thought people truly cared, then they would do something about it. There is no tactical approach. They basically try to throw it under the rug. Any crime stat can be severely manipulated. Until the public demand action, crime will continue to be ignored. How often have you heard any of our mayoral candidates or mayor even talk about it? Its all “MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING”… Yah, let’s create more Park Morton projects. That’s went so well!

        • Apples and oranges. Parts of Chicago are exponentially worse than DC no question about it. In Chicago you can have 20 shootings in one night, 80+ over a weekend…I know someone is going to say how many more people Chicago has and how much bigger it is but the sad truth is that most of these shooting and killings in Chicago are taking place in certain neighborhoods/areas and not all over Chicagoland.

        • Gray is the lamest of lame ducks, of course he’s not going to talk about the shootings.

    • It’s interesting: so few of the people who see a correlation between poverty and violence seem to target reducing poverty and its wide-ranging impact as a solution.


        • That is all we need, isn’t it? Everything is a catchphrase because that is how we show our pride and togetherness. Rather than doing something about it we would rather give the appearance of caring so that others know how vested we are when really it is just the cool thing to do at the time. That’s Merica for you.

      • What’s interesting is that there are no details given so people immediately start attacking poor people.

        • Yeah. When I saw earlier that there were 35 comments on this thread, I thought, “How can that be? There’s no information about the shooting, other than the time and location where it took place.”

          • Educated guess?

          • You seriously questioned how there could be 35 comments with no info about the shooting? I’m sorry, I thought I recognized your handle. Clearly you don’t visit this forum much.

          • I do visit this forum quite a bit, Mr./Ms. Sarcastic.
            I guess I’m accustomed to seeing other crime notifications — ones with some actual information — serving as jumping-off points for more general disquisitions/tangents about crime, poverty, affordable housing, etc., etc. But I guess lack of information on a particular incident is no obstacle for the PoPville commentariat when it comes to hot topics and offering opinion.

      • Personally I don’t see a correlation between violence and poverty. If there was a causal relationship one would have thought the years of the Great Depression would have been absolutely savage.

      • I am all for addressing poverty. I want a higher minimum wage, more unionization, preserving the4 social safety net, improved education and training, decriminalizing pot so fewer young people have criminal records, etc.

        I still don’t want to live where there is a lot of crime.

    • And how do you suppose Mayor Gray (or any other mayor, for that matter) could have prevented this murder? Lots of knee-jerk reactions on posts like this.

      • I’d suggest some special tactical crime units in the problem areas. I’m a criminal justice major, so I know what works. It requires man power, but tougher enforcement, surveillance and undercover ops works. However, it can’t only be police. It needs to be a coordinated effort between law enforcement, the judicial system, social services and elected officials. Either our leaders don’t understand how to combat this type of crime or they don’t care.

        • “I’m a criminal justice major, so I know what works.”

          I watched Batman last night. I know that works as well.

          Let’d do both?

        • ” I’m a criminal justice major, so I know what works.” LOLOLOL

        • ” I’m a criminal justice major, so I know what works.”


          We are all saved, the criminal justice major is here to save us

          • I actually think the OP/Crim Justice Major made a couple valid points. The techniques he/she mentioned are proven to be effective, so why isn’t DC trying it? Chicago is only one (and the most cited) example. DC seems to follow the react/respond model. That model has been proven ineffective and is outdated.

        • Did you all put on your cranky pants this morning? No need to be snarky

        • “I’m a criminal justice major, so I know what works. . . . Either our leaders don’t understand how to combat this type of crime or they don’t care.”
          Thank goodness you, a criminal justice major, are here to (i) help them understand, and/or (ii) care. Are there more criminal justice majors at your university? Can you round them all up to come and help us? If we get enough of you, we’ll be able to make DC into someplace truly special.
          Wait, are you sure you’re a criminal justice major? Or did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
          Just fantastic.

        • Why do you think MPD doesn’t have these in place already?

        • You guys are so wrong for attacking the criminal justice major, funny but wrong. Anyway, I do say that he/she has a point. I have lived in and been in many cities that crime, violence, drugs and such were major problems and the implementation of special units did change or at least deter it. I remember growing up, these dudes would be in all black in trees recording transactions and coming out of nowhere and busting the dealers and such. Now that won’t work for everywhere but more undercovers and aggressive techniques will affect what is going on. With that said, you can lock them all up but if the system is what it is here there is no point.

          • Kam, the reason your crime situation was getting better was because you had Ninjas on the case. Stop making everyone jealous.

            ” these dudes would be in all black in trees recording transactions and coming out of nowhere and busting the dealers and such. “

          • LOL! It does sound like that but I assure you they were not ninjas, lol. I forget what they were called but different cities have different units that do things that you would never think of. I am not sure about DC though, as many people as I know I haven’t heard of any special units. I always see the Ds and undercovers riding around as well as the plain clothes but those guys are so easy to spot it isn’t funny. And I know as a law abiding citizen that if I can spot them with no problem, I am sure the guys that are looking out for them have even less of a problem spotting them.

          • Kam you don’t know what you’re talking about, there are undercover officers aplenty in DC that you can’t spot. The fact that some of them are identifiable doesn’t mean there are none that aren’t. I’ve seen situations where they materialized suddenly and took people down and I can assure you they blended right in just prior to taking action.

          • So you know what you are talking about and I don’t know what I am talking about? OK, I got it. Thanks for your input.

        • I like this person’s confidence and that s/he stated the background that informs his/her opinion. I guess you wanted them to say it more softly and more self-deprecatingly? I like that they got to the point!

    • pablo .raw

      I don’t understand how affordable housing is related to shootings. I work for a non-profit that designs and builds affordable housing and as number shows, our customers are very responsible people.

      • I think you may have missed that dog whistle ; )

      • Gut check: move into one of the buildings you design and build for 3 months.

      • Maybe affordable housing that’s just been designed and built by a non-profit doesn’t have the same clientele and atmosphere as the existing decades-old affordable housing?

        • pablo .raw

          Our emphasis is in home ownership, our statistics show that only around 2% of our customers have flipped the houses over around 30 years of work of the organization.

      • pablo .raw

        I live in one of the buildings that we designed and build. The only incident ever happened, is when one of the residents was attacked late at night when he got off a taxi.

        • You design and build low-income housing and meet the minimums needed to live in affordable housing? Pro-bono design and build? Actually curious now.

          • pablo .raw

            Not pro-bono at all (except for a project we build every 4 years I think). Our units meet all the code requirements, and we also make them as green as we can.

          • A lot of housing developments these days contain a mix of market rate and different types of low-income and affordable housing. It’s entirely plausible he could pay market rate for a unit in a building that also contains low-income residents (which, in DC, means families making what would be a solidly middle-class income in most cities elsewhere in the country). In general, de-concentrating poverty is a good thing and you usually see lower crime rates in these types of developments.

          • Pablo, just because someone disagrees with you and has stats to support their ideas as well, doesn’t make them ignorant and prone to using stereotypes. Come out of the bubble, it’s not great out here but it’s where we all have to live.

          • pablo .raw

            I didn’t say it to offend anybody and if I did, I apologize. But the truth is that every time the subject of affordable housing comes up, people have the wrong ideas about it like in this case: crime, guns, etc. That is not what affordable housing is, there are lots of honest and family oriented as well as single people who can’t afford a half million dollar condo, and they look for affordable options in the city. I’m sure lots of people who visit this forum would love to own an affordable unit and have access to the city programs that makes it easier for people to become home owners.

        • I commend you Pablo. Don’t worry about all of these people being negative. At least you are trying to help where you can.

          • pablo .raw

            I think most of the negativity comes from stereotypes and ignorance on the subject.

          • Realistically though, Pablo, how many of the residents of Park Morton would qualify for your program? It’s a fantastic thing you are doing but its results are not at all representative of the current overall DC low income housing population, right? Or did I really just stereotype or say something ignorant?

          • pablo .raw

            I don’t know the details about the residents of Park Morton but you are right that not everybody qualify for the properties that we produce. They are affordable, prices below market and we help future home owners to get help from DC programs and we spend a lot of time reviewing the finances of our clients so that we are sure that they will be able to afford the property in the long run. That is affordable housing and several organizations in the city work on this area. People who don’t know that (people that ignore this) think that affordable housing = crime. That is a stereotype. I hope I explained myself.

      • Ever been to Park Morton where 7 year old girl was just shot? What about the Columbia Rd in Columbia Heights. Statistics can be manipulated. Try living in one or around one.

        • austindc

          I tried living around a statistic. It was okay 90% of the time.

        • “Try living in one.” One what? Not all housing that is classified as “affordable” is DCHA-run public housing. There are lots of developments in which 100% of units are income-restricted, 0% market rate, yet are absolutely nothing like the DCHA-run public housing that I suspect you are picturing as you write that. I quite happily had such a complex right in my back yard for my first 9 years in DC. The residents were great neighbors. (For better or for worse, the developer chose to stop collecting subsidies for affordable units and went market rate a couple years ago, but in any event, the development was filled with hard-working good people who just weren’t in professions that paid enough to afford market rate housing in DC. Most of the crime in the area emanated from a few single-family homes that were widely known to be trouble, not from the residents of the affordable housing. I don’t understand where everybody gets the idea that all housing that isn’t market rate is like the Park Morton. The vast majority of it isn’t.

          • “I don’t understand where everybody gets the idea that all housing that isn’t market rate is like the Park Morton. The vast majority of it isn’t.”
            They have no experience with it, that’s why. They grew up in lilly-white upper middle class suburbs and their experiences with public housing is limited to watching a few seasons of The Wire and driving through the ghetto on their way to visit the Johns Hopkins campus.

      • Pablo, what DC agency does your firm work with to do these projects? Is it DCHA? We have a very fearful neighborhood around the ex-Hebrew Home on Spring Road because DCHA is currently the chosen agency for managing the reno and the property. We would love it to be anyone else. Your insight would be much appreciated!

      • I live in a LIHTC building in Columbia Heights. My building has a nice mix of families and professionals. It is low-income housing because you have to make less than a certain amount of money annually, and many entry-level non-profit & government salaries meet the salary requirements. I pay fair market rent, which is a sizable chunk of my salary, but I get to live in a good building in a nice neighborhood. DC needs more housing to accommodate lower-income people who aren’t “poor” but make less than the average area income.

    • Affordable housing causes gun violence?

      • Yeah. At least according to many PoPville readers. New here?

        • Public housing is not the same thing as affordable housing.

          • pablo .raw

            Exactly, I’m not familiar with Public Housing but I would say that “housing” is not the problem; the problem is guns and drugs.

          • Tell that to some of the commentors above.

          • Pablo, if you for an affordable housing non-profit, you should probably understand what public housing is as well.

          • *work for

          • pablo .raw

            To anonymous 10:58. What my organization does, is produce affordable units and help future homeowners to get their finances straight and buy the units. It’s not free housing and our emphasis is in home ownership although recently we’ve started to do some rental. I don’t know how Public Housing works. I’m guessing those may be housing complexes owned by the city where residents get vouchers to help them afford the rent. Both are affordable housing I know, but my organization doesn’t deal with the vouchers or those housing complexes.

      • “Guns don’t kill people, affordable housing kills people”

        (Just trying to stir the pot a little more …)

    • It’s funny that you mention Mayor Gray. Statistically one of the only investments a government can make that will change generational poverty is early childhood education. This, of course, is a long term solution and you don’t see results right away but this really is one of the only proven ways to stop poverty. Mayor Gray has implemented one of the best early childhood education programs in the country. He’s actually doing the right thing but I suppose putting more cops on the streets makes everyone feel better.

  • I heard Bowser has a plan. She stated that she intends to install more speed cameras to cut down on shootings.

    Finally a politician that gets it! Thank god she’ll be our next Mayor!

  • If you think DC is currently a “warzone” and/or if you think that our elected officials can have a decisive influence on gun violence in the District then…virtually by definition…you’ve moved here in the last 10 years.

    • Pretty much and while I have only been back 7 years now, I did first arrive here in 1995 and even then it was crazy but nothing compared to the late 80’s and early 90s. It is all relative. I think the difference here is that a lot of the newer people here have not been exposed to anything remotely close to this (not that it is a bad thing). I think many of them see a lot of TV and think it is as simple as lifting a pen, reducing public housing…Those that have been here or other cities where this is an issue have real analysis they can look back on not just fairy tale of how things should be or could be if we just did X,Y or Z.

    • Agreed. Obviously gun violence is a problem anywhere at any time. However, so many people in DC who (generalizing here) probably come from very different environments think that the existence of crime denotes a crime problem. It seems so many people want the benefits of living in a hip transitioning neighborhood but clutch their pearls when crime happens down their block.

      • People just want a police force that does policing and not have to worry about getting shot on their sidewalk. I’d also like to keep my pearls.

        • well then perhaps you are more suited to living in the suburbs. if you want to live in a perfectly safe environment then a city, especially neighborhoods in a city that are in the midst of transitioning and have a long history of crime is not for you. our police force IS doing a lot with regards to crime and that is exhibited in the drastic decrease in crime rates. the massive call to action going on along this board just sounds like a lot of entitled wining.

          • Its quite possible to want high density living in a walkable place and not want to live with crime. Due to the current state of the RE markets thats not affordable for everyone (thuogh it is for some).

            Crime rates have come down in DC and nationwide. Thats true. It may be due to the work of the police, though some attribute it to other causes. Its not impossible that it could come down more either with A. More efficient policing or B. More resources devoted by the city to policing. I dont know that either of those is the case, but its far from obvious that its not the case.

          • My issue is why is it that it’s a “right” to live on a high-demand, hot neighborhood? All because you want to live in the city doesn’t mean you deserve free vouchers to do so…

    • Thank You!

      im not saying the violence that we have today is ok or something you should have to deal with buy yaul are completley clueless

      columbia heights used to be a ZOO! like yaul clearly have not the slightest idea… 98% of the people visiting and living there now wouldnt have even known the area existed 15 years ago
      im talking an actual war zone
      open drug mkt, neighboring “neighborhoods”(ie. 18 & monroe vs hobart) beefing resulting in tons of shootings
      the changes in crime over the past 10-20 years have been huge.

      • Exactly. And all of that existed with an over matched, underpaid, corrupt and barely visible police department. Huge strides have been made in policing in DC…and in public housing, endemic violence, public services, et cetera, et cetera. And things are getting better every year lately. For those of you who think that the current level of crime is out of hand, it’s time to give up the monthly stipend Mom and Dad send you to afford your hip one bedroom, don your Google glasses and toddle off back to Clarendon. We won’t miss you.

        • Accountering

          So because I think that getting mugged on the street is unacceptable, and the fact that I don’t appreciate that our city has 100 murders a year, means to you that I should move back to Clarendon?
          Do you understand how dense that sounds?

          • not nearly as dense as the notion that the mere existence of crime necessitates a massive call to action and questions of whether our police force is doing what they are supposed to do. and to be honest, yes, if you don’t like the realities of living in a city then perhaps you should move to Clarendon. It is safer there, they don’t have these problems.

          • Uh no. The point was things have been improving drastically for the last 15 years. If you really think crime is out of control, you need to get more perspective (and IMO a reality check). If the current situation makes you feel unsafe and uncomfortable, then yeah, maybe you should think of going somewhere else.

            As recently as 2005 there were nearly 200 murders. In the early 90s, close to 500 a year and the DC population was smaller in those years too.

            Yes, MPD still has a lot of work to do. Yes, DC isn’t as safe as some cities out there, but it also has improved greatly and is certainly better than a number of other large cities in this country.

          • Ah, the ever-popular false binary: “Accept [aspect of D.C.] the way it is or move to [insert suburb name here].”

          • Accountering

            Your point is that people who don’t like crime should move to the suburbs, which is ridiculous. I do think 100 murders is out of hand, and would very much appreciate that number continuing to steadily decline. Your quip about the stipend and Google glass, while cute, couldn’t be further from the truth.
            I do not feel unsafe in the least – only have once in my time in DC. Still, because I feel that 100 murders is too many, and that street crime is unacceptable, does not in any way mean I should move to Clarendon. I love my city. I bought a rowhouse here, and am planning on staying for the (very) long haul.
            Sure – things have improved. That’s great, but does not mean I am okay with the current status quo. My hope would be that crime continues to decrease, and our police force continues to improve.
            This acceptance of mediocrity, and the fact that it is better than before is somewhat baffling to me. The notion that anyone who thinks we should continue to improve and decrease crime should move to the suburbs is silly and unproductive.

          • No Accounteering, the point is that statistics show that DC government and MPD do care about crime. It has drastically decreased and will continue to do so. If you are one of the many people in this thread who feel that the fact that this sort of crime exists means that we are being failed by our public officials and police department, then yes you should go somewhere where there is no crime. its not about accepting the status quo, it’s about being realistic about your expectations and giving credit where credit is due.

          • +1 to everything Accountering says

          • Ah, the other ever-popular false binary: “If you point out how much less crime there is in DC now than there used to be, you must not be bothered by crime.”

        • So basically, you lived in a hellhole. It’s still hellish but GTFO because it was much worse then? People have a right to live where they can and expect not being shot. It’s because of the work of someone’s mom and dad they aren’t shooting at you.
          “A” must stand for butthead,

          • “It’s still hellish but…”

            That pretty well sums up everything wrong with this mindset.

          • Lmao ok man…
            your response was that of a clowns
            im with the origional poster on that one
            its still hellish but…


          • The DC police set the bar so low in the 80s and 90s it doesn’t mean we are where we need to be because it’s not as bad as then… Come on. The cops don’t do squat. It reactive only. They use the citizens as police and only respond when people call 911. No tactical strike forces or special units in problem areas. They know where the problem areas are, but refuse to look at different strategies. I don’t blame the beat cops. Starts with the Police a chief and Mayor.

    • “If you think DC is currently a “warzone” and/or if you think that our elected officials can have a decisive influence on gun violence in the District then”
      I agree with the comment about what DC was like 10-15 years ago – there’s no comparison. But if you believe (and I do) that it has improved dramatically, I don’t think the comment about elected officials not making a difference follows. In 1999, 15 years ago, Tony Williams was sworn in as Mayor. He laid the groundwork for the city as it is today, and had as much, or more, to do with the city’s renaissance than any other person. Elected officials do make a difference.

      • It’s vastly more complicated that the accession of Tony Williams. Economic and demographic trends (plus the reduction in lead in the air, if you follow Kevin Drum) mattered far more. Without the huge influx of development (which preceded him), what Williams accomplished wouldn’t have been possible.

        Conversely, the original decline of DC was due to racial injustice, the ’68 riots and the subsequent, largely white, abandonment of the city. There’s not a lot even Anthony Williams could have done to fix that then.

  • Can we get a little more information about the shooting? Was someone hit? Injured? Did they know the shooter…maybe some of these details would help to put all of this into context?

  • The last update is disturbing, I was riding through that way around midnight. Yes I admit that is a long away from 4:20 AM.

  • Just curious. Do the people who post about how the elected officials in DC don’t care about crime actually look at the real life crime statistics? And in particular, the comparison of crime levels now to what they have been in the past?
    I’m not saying that any shooting is ok. In a perfect world, no one would ever get shot. But there is no real life support for the argument that DC officials don’t care about crime. At least not an argument that can be made by people living in the gentrified parts of town. Look at the crime map on the MPD site and see where most of the crimes are occurring. And then complain about how underpoliced the 14th St area is.

  • Violent crime within 1500 feet of this shooting is down by 40% YTD and robberies are down by more than half. Is it good enough? No. Can MPD do more? Of course. Until the fear of crime is low there is still much work to be done. Get involved – work with your ANCs, go to your PSA meetings and write your district commanders when needed. They are generally responsive. The bottom line is DC is generally safer than it has ever been…

  • I know this is the end of a very long thread, so I don’t expect anyone to read this, but a few thoughts.

    1) DC has an incredibly hands-off police department. We have strict rules on use of force and the use of things like OC spray (mace). This combined with a criminal justice system that is overtaxed and crowded means that rarely are crimes not plead down.

    2) There are specialized units. There are focused patrols. There are mobile cameras and mobile light towers. We have fixed post details for entire days where officers need face-to-face relief to use the bathroom or get food. My point is that someone get killed, so we put a light tower and an officer there 24/7 for weeks. 2 blocks later another person is killed and people want to know how come we didn’t have officers there.

    3) You need to think of the cops as a broom and not a hammer. We do a good job of pushing crime around. We don’t stop it. That guy who is selling heroin on your block? He’s not three credits shy of his accounting degree. He’s a drug dealer. It’s what he has chosen to do, and I can make it harder for him to sell in certain places, but I cannot make him give up his trade. If our foreign policy is made up of diplomacy, defense and development, you need a similar analogy for crime reduction. Enforcement, Jobs and Social Work. Or something. I just know that we only have one leg of the stool, which is like riding a bicycle without a seat.

    4) Someone said we’re reactive. And that is true. NYPD removed Stop, Question and Frisk and there are more shootings now. I’m not saying its causation. I’m sure many people here would like a more hands-on approach, because they know that they wouldn’t get frisked walking home with their messenger bag and laceless shoes. But some of you would, so you have to weigh that. We depend on the community for input. It’s not a weakness. It’s a resource, and one that works with varying success.

    That’s all. I’m open to complaints. We are not perfect. But we’re not the only solution. We can’t be.

    • Real Talk. Thanks for the information.
      Unfortunately, MPD are caught between a rock and a hard place. But that would force everyone to accept that life is messy and that the world operates in shades of gray, requiring trade offs.

    • Well articulated and thank you for your hard work. We would love to see more cops out of their cars and walking or riding the troubled neighborhoods.

      Point in case yesterday I witnessed a broad daylight drug deal in the Murrys parking lot on GA. The dealer proceeded to urinate on the blue dumpster ALL 15-20 FEET AWAY FROM AN OFFICER SITTING IN HER CAR STARING AT THE COMPUTER SCREEN (same as she had been doing 30 minutes before when I walked by).

      I tapped on the window to point out what was occurring in real time and thinking she was moving to take action the cruiser took off. Probably went somewhere peaceful away from people interrupting Web surfing time. This is not an isolated incident, please get out of the cars more. I understand the advantages such as a quicker response time but we need you in the neighborhoods.

    • Thank you for taking the time to respond. We all have great ideas on how to fix what is broken, but a dash of reality is useful.

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