Mayor Releases Video of MPD Officer Involved Shooting

by Prince Of Petworth July 8, 2016 at 12:55 pm 90 Comments

From MPD:

“Today, Mayor Muriel Bowser authorized the release of FOIA-exempt body-worn camera (BWC) footage related to the officer-involved, fatal shooting of Sherman Evans, a 63-year-old resident of Northeast DC.

On June 27, 2016, at approximately 10:22 pm, members of the Fourth District of the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) responded to a 911 call of a man brandishing a gun. Officers arrived on scene to find Mr. Evans holding a firearm. MPD officers ordered Mr. Evans to drop the gun over the period of several minutes. Mr. Evans refused to comply with numerous demands to drop his weapon. As a result, MPD officers discharged their weapons, shooting Mr. Evans, who was transported to an area hospital where he was later pronounced dead.

An MPD officer who was among the first to arrive at the scene was equipped with a body-worn camera. An additional officer was also equipped with a BWC and captured footage after the shooting. The video released today includes footage from both cameras. The shooting is being separately investigated by MPD’s Internal Affairs Bureau and the U.S. Attorney’s Office.

The release of the footage has also been deemed in the public interest and is consistent with the goal of the District’s BWC program, including creating broader accountability between law enforcement and communities and maintaining an open and transparent government. The Administration consulted Channing Phillips, the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia, and Karl Racine, the Attorney General for the District of Columbia; and notified Kenyan McDuffie, the Chairman of the Council’s Committee on the Judiciary, prior to this release.”

Previously MPD reported:

“Chief of Police Cathy Lanier and Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Department responded to a police-involved shooting that occurred on Monday, June 27, 2016, in the 100 block of Varnum Street, Northeast.

At approximately 10:22 pm, MPD officers responded to the location in reference to a man with a gun. Upon arrival, officers encountered an individual holding a weapon. After numerous demands to drop the weapon, the suspect failed to comply and raised the weapon toward the officers. The officers then discharged their service weapons, striking the suspect. The suspect was transported to an area hospital, in critical condition, where he later succumbed to his injuries.

The decedent will be identified once next of kin has been notified.

The suspect’s weapon was recovered on the scene. Investigation revealed the weapon produced by the suspect was a BB Gun.”

  • Philippe Lecheval

    Wow, how many times did they shoot him??? That was crazy.

  • DanT

    This was not an “officer involved shooting”. This was a military-style execution. Over what? A BB gun.

    It seems to me that this fellow was having some kind of mental illness/breakdown. Is mental illness in DC punishable by death?
    I find it difficult to believe that the only way to deescalate this incident was by killing this man.
    Was any one in any real danger in this incident? Are there no tranquilizers or rubber bullets? Could they have shot him at a non-lethal body part?

    There were other cops closer to this man. Why didn’t the DC government release their body cams?
    Why release the body cam that doesn’t show what was going on when the shots rung out?

    The DC government screwed up the pooch and trying to cover it up. Please release more body cams. The public deserves to hear more about this story.

    • Anon

      There were only two videos from the shooting; one from an officer that was there during the shooting, and a second from an officer that arrived on scene after the shooting. This is because the body cameras are not fully deployed yet. To support a robust analysis of the body-worn camera program, the cameras have been issued in a random deployment designed by the independent researchers.

      The video includes the footage from both cameras. It does not capture the moment of the shooting because the officer was shielding his own body behind a car.

      Also, please note that the officers did not know that the gun was a BB gun until after incident.

      For more information, I would recommend checking out the coverage in either the Washington Post or NBC.

    • Frank

      1. How exactly are the cops supposed to know it was a BB gun? If you haven’t been to a store recently, the fakes or bb guns look exactly like the real thing and unless the guy puts down the weapon, then the danger is 100% real.

      2. How many times does a cop have to order someone to drop the gun they are pointing at people before you are satisfied? 5 times? 10? This guy was ordered to drop it 16 times over a period of nearly 5 minutes. That is more than sufficient.

      3. There really isn’t a “non-lethal” body part. That guy just shot in the car a couple days ago was shot in the arm and died. Shock kills more gun shot victims than does the damage caused by the bullet.

      4. Traquilizers? This isn’t a james bond movie. Tranq darts take time to work. Even the fasting acting tranqs take 10-20 seconds, all the while the guy can pop off rounds. You want the guy down, not woozy for 20 seconds and still capable of harming people.

      • DanT

        Cops are trained in de-escalation techniques. There was no one in any real danger in this incident. He didn’t have any hostages. The cops could have backed off and watched from a safe distance while a non lethal de-escalation plan is executed.

        If you are yelling at a man to “Put the gun down” several times and he acts somewhat disoriented and not complying, common sense should tell you that he may be suffering some kind of mental breakdown.

        This man would be alive today if the cops showed more thought and restraint instead of “fearing for their lives”. mental illness is not a crime.

        • Truxtoner


          From the video footage, the man wasn’t even holding the BB gun up in the air like he was aiming or threatening anyone with it.

        • Rasputin

          You seriously think that when a guy with a gun -ignoring shouted police orders to put it down – is standing between apartment buildings… the cops should just vacate the immediate vicinity?

          • mdtodc

            Ya, from what I see It appears they handled it like they were supposed to. I am not sure what they were supposed to do differently. They tried to talk him down, then when he raised the gun they shot. Upon being shot they made sure he couldn’t harm anyone else (kicked the gun and handcuffed him) and tried to make sure he was ok.
            I mean I am not saying police have free reign to shoot people here, but the guy was holding a gun pointing it at them after they repeatedly told him to put it down… Was the alternative to let him shoot and hit a bystander or one of the officers.

    • Anonymous

      There was nothing about this incident to indicate that it was a “military-style execution”, let alone a cover up. While the man wielding what was thought to be a gun may have had mental problems, you cannot discount the fact that there was no indication that what he was holding was a BB gun. Could the officers have tried to take a bit more time to try to talk some sense into him? Possibly. However, if someone was waving a gun at me I doubt that I would step back and wonder, “gee, maybe I should just let him do that because he may have mental problems.”

    • Anony

      The guy had a gun (as far as anyone knew) and he would not drop it and raised it at officers. If I were an officer I would shoot him too in that situation. It is a shame about the mental illness and horrible that he died but come on man

      • DanT

        Well, thank God you’re not an officer!

    • Who cares

      I can’t even imagine to expect and police department to determine ones mental health in a situation like this. If it were possible, I think I would only make the situation that more unpredictable fir the officers involved. It looked like a very scary situation for everyone involved. It has a tragic ending, but I can’t see how it would have reasonably ended any differently. They clearly identified themselves as police and repeatedly demanded him to put the gun down. There are two schools at each end of that small block (one has students living on campus) and many families that live there. Numerous lives could have been at stake.

      • Who cares

        BTW we utilize both schools there, I know that area very well.

      • DanT

        You hit the nail on the head with your caption. “Who cares” right? It’s a black man who probably lives in a poor part of town.
        If this happened in Georgetown, the whole country would have heard about it.

        There is no reasoning with a mentally ill person. Cops are trained for situations like this. There was no civilians in the vicinity. There was no real danger to anyone except the cops, who are trained on how to deal with scenarios like this. There were no “Numerous lives” at stakes. No one should have died.

        • Anon

          There were residents in the two buildings he was standing between.

        • Who cares

          The “who cares” is for people like you who refuse to listen to common sense and will only think your right no matter what. It’s fine. I respect that you have an opinion on the matter and ideally lives could be spared, but it doesn’t always work that way and in this case, there was no way tragedy could have been avoided. Go ahead and think you could be a better cop than those involved if you were there. You likely would have run away scared, worried that he would have shot you.

          • DanT

            Mental illness/Depression is an everyday reality and cops encounter mentally ill people with far more frequency than regular civilians do.
            Police are TRAINED on how to recognize and handle such situations. The WaPo article mentioned that he may have called the cops just so he’ll get killed by them.

            If you think such situations cannot be contained safely by PROFESSIONAL Cops in one of the most funded police departments in the country, then check out this article about more dangerous encounters that were safely deescalated.


        • Who cares

          And I DON’T EVEN GET how you would determine that the were no civilians at the vicinity. One stray bullet from a possible mentally ill suspect could have hit anyone of those buildings, where children live. Come one man, wake up.

        • Who cares

          It seems like in every circumstance in the article you posted is that there was the advantage daylight and the suspects were visible, unlike this case, where visibility was compromised. I also like to take into consideration the very specific details of cases to base my opinion, and not necessarily just the black and white thing.

          • DanT

            Are we watching the same video? Visibility was not compromised. The area is well lit. The man is clearly visible and not close to any obstruction like a wall.

    • neighbor

      Are you out of your mind? The suspect had so many opportunities to put the gun down. He basically forced the police to shoot him. They have absolutely no way of knowing it was a BB gun, and no obligation to let a madman with a gun take potshots at them and risk their own lives. They did absolutely everything possible to convince him to drop the gun, and open fire only when he clearly raised his weapon.
      And f-ck him for doing so. I’m sure the poor cop(s) who shot the guy feel horrible about it and may have emotional trouble for the rest of their lives. I feel terrible for the people who were forced into shooting this guy.

    • DC

      Looked more like suicide by police to me. Do you honestly think these police wanted to be in a situation where they were compelled to use lethal force? This man decided to go outside with an apparent gun. This man refused to simply put the gun down. This man decided to raise the gun. This situation is so unfortunate, but it is not the fault of the police.

  • Anonymous

    MPD usually does a good job in these situations. While I’d never say never, we’re unlikely here in DC to see an example of police brutality (and murder) like what we’ve recently witnessed.

  • Anony

    We often take for granted how these officers put their lives on the line everyday. Sorry this happened but these are never pretty.

    • DanT

      Never pretty?? What if this happened to a mentally ill relative of yours? This is shocking and highly unprofessional.
      I can think of at least 4 ways to de-escalate this situation without killing the man and I’m a civilian.

      1. Rubber bullets.
      2. Have a sharpshooter shoot his hand (so he drops the weapon)
      3. Have officers sneak behind him while he’s distracted and taze him.
      4. Focus some bright floodlights on him so he’s disoriented while other officers take him out.

      The thing is no one was in any real danger. The area was surrounded by cops. There was no need for deadly force. Are you saying cops can’t neutralize someone with a gun in this situation?

      • Anon X

        Say what? Have a sharpshooter shoot his hand? Too much tv for you…

        • NH Ave Hiker

          yea that doesn’t happen in real life..

          • DanT

            What about rubber bullets? Doesn’t that exist in real life too?

          • Anony

            Rarely and not for every random armed suspect police engage. seriously do you people believe that we provide MPD with the resources to address every gun-wielding criminal situation with 12 options? So quick to criticize but imagine you would do the same as the gun raised and pointed toward you!

          • Dognonymous

            DanT, rubber bullets or other riot control-type munitions would be great…if they could tell that was a BB gun. Not exactly easy to discern at a distance. Attempting to non-lethally disable someone who, to the best of your knowledge, poses a lethal threat, is crazy dangerous and would lead to a lot of dead police officers (and potentially other civilians). I say this even as someone who generally believes that cops are overarmed, undertrained, and too willing to use lethal force.

          • Ouch

            For what it’s worth, I was accidentally shot with a rubber bullet in a training exercise a few years ago. They hurt like hell, but it’s not going to incapacitate someone. From that distance, it won’t break the skin, it won’t knock the guy down. However…it may well escalate a situation prompting the man to fire his own weapon. You can’t tell a good BB gun from a real gun. So a solution that does not incapacitate someone but may lead to them opening fire is no solution at all…

      • Unreal

        The sharpshooter comment is maybe the least informed post I’ve ever read here. This is not a movie. Do you have any clue how difficult that would be, especially with a moving/erratic person and significant risk that others could be injured?

        • DanT

          In the first 20 seconds of watching that video, I could tell that the man was having a mental breakdown because:

          1) He’s acting strange/disoriented.
          2) He’s surrounded by cops pointing guns at him, but not complying with their orders.

          If trained cops couldn’t figure this out, then they need better training.
          Yes, a sharpshooter scenario may not be realistic in this incident but do you need to shoot him 20 times to disarm him?

          Watch the video again, some of the cops were close enough to shoot him without necessarily killing him.

          • Who cares

            How would anyone know who’s gun is being fired? You think they previously discussed which officer shoots first if they need to neutralize the suspect? They hear a gun, they shoot to diffuse the situation. There is no timeout for a huddle in this situation, they need to act fast.

          • Cmon

            He raised his weapon at the police after being told repeatedly to put it down. As sad as it is, this is what people defending themselves looks like.

          • neighbor

            All of that is true, and people with mental illness should be given the help they deserve. But the man has a gun in his hand and is raising it at police. Sorry, but it’s too late at that point.

          • B’dale Resident

            We should take this same approach with suicide bombers, since they are mentally ill too, right? try to talk them out of it, even though there about to detonate themselves? Maybe shot them in an area that will make them think twice with a rubber bullet or something.

      • neighbor

        As others have already mentioned, none of those actions are designed to counter a deadly weapon. This is all pure imaginary bullsh-t.

      • asdf

        Sharpshooter shoot his hand?! You, sir, are an ingoramus.

  • CHV

    Washington Post reported that this guy called 911 on himself and was dealing with depression. Very sad and unfortunate, but it sounds essentially like suicide.

    • DanT

      Assisted Suicide by Cop. Call 911 and hold a BB Gun outside an apartment complex.

  • Jimmy

    A quick glance at DC courts website shows that over a 30 year period, a one Mr. Sherman Evans has been through the courts with great frequency for assault, illegal possession of a firearm, drug possession (some with intent to sell). If the police are aware of this as they’ve been the ones dispatched to take him in over and over and over again, then there’s a reasonable expectation that these officers were prepared for a call involving a “fully” armed individual. I am in no way, shape, or form saying “he deserved it”, I am implying simply that there is a history of violent crime associated with Mr. Evans and that officers came to the situation prepared, and acted appropriately based on past events.

    And if there are two Sherman Evans causing trouble in DC, I apologize to the gentleman in the video’s loved ones for character slander.

    • Strange Fruit

      What prompted you to do a “quick glance at the DC courts website”?!?!…none of that is relevant. Police officers attend an academy where they are trained to deal with situations such as this. Another prime example of how police officers manage to kill black people at disproportionate rates yet spend hours in standoffs trying to persuade and disarm white mentally ill people. Shame on you for “helping us all out” and dredging up what may or may not be the deceased history. The system of inequality is so entrenched in our society that civilians are blinded by their own ignorance (bliss?) and continue perpetuating the system they have benefited from for generations.

      “Southern trees bear a strange fruit
      Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
      Black bodies swingin’ in the Southern breeze
      Strange fruit hangin’ from the poplar trees”

      Police killings of black victims= Modern Day Lynchings. If you refuse to acknowledge that, then YOU are part of the problem. This country is everyone’s we all have a right to be here and guess what…we aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. State sanctioned violence against black bodies is nothing new, and we built this country- we are stronger than you know.

      • Evan Tupac Grooter

        Equating police shootings of armed suspects to lynching is a real disservice to the victims of lynchings.

        • Strange Fruit

          Nope its actually not a disservice, its a new form of genocide against the black.community. Your failure to acknowledge this is the problem. But I wont blame you, I will blame your privilege of not having to deal with the emotional & psychological trauma that results.

      • Jimmy

        An awfully long-winded accusation of racism and you don’t even know my race…

        • Strange Fruit

          I dont need to know your race to have this discussion..the facts are the facts regardless. We dont live in a postracial society. America was founded on greed, corruption, savagery and exploitation of native people and those of African descent. Not much has changed with the exception that the savagery has been well.concealed until these last few years.

    • mdtodc

      There are more than 2. There about 4 people with that name on the court site, and unless you have the DOB/address on there you don’t know which he is. If they released his middle name or middle initial maybe but they did not.

  • DanT

    Everyone defending the actions of these cops should please read these stories of far dangerous situations that were safely contained by cops.


    • Kingman Park

      Everything always has to be about race. The fact is that police are killing Americans at an alarming rate, whether the victims be black, white or latino. The sooner we can unite and solve this law enforcement problem together and stop bickering over who gets treated worse by the police, the sooner we can reach a resolution instead of having the same argument over and over and over and over again.
      It gets us nowhere as a nation and further divides us all.

      • Kingman Park
      • Strange Fruit

        because it is about race…especially in incidents of police brutality and killings. How is it that blacks make up 12% or so of the U.S. population, yet die at disproportionally higher rates than whites. Your refusal to acknowledge this is what blocks us from moving on to being able to unite. You cannot be an ally if you cannot sympathize with our pain, rage and plight.

        Until you have to talk with your black son/daughter about the “right” way to interact with police so as not be killed- even though you still may be killed (Alton Sterling, Tamir Rice, Sandra Bland, Mike Brown, ____fill in the blank of any black person killed by police), than spare me your empty words and lack of empathy.

        • Kingman Park

          Maybe you can take a look at homicide rates too. If you insist on race baiting.

          • Strange Fruit

            Race baiting? I only speak truths…sometimes.too much for people.like you to handle. At any rate the facts are clear that police manage to effectively deescalate armed white people without killing them and that doesnt happen with blacks.

        • Kingman Park

          So you think the 732 non black people killed by police in 2015 aren’t worth noting? I just want to make sure I know where you stand. I was making a point that everyone is at risk of being killed by police when confronted. But you only want to further the narrative for one group when this is an issue that everyone will benefit from once fixed.

          • textdoc

            Everyone is at risk, but black people are particularly at risk. Surely you see that?

        • Kingman Park

          This is an emotional time, but the issue is police are killing people, period. Why is up for debate. But we are all at risk.

      • DanT

        I agree. I posted that link just to show that ordinary (non-SWAT) cops can de-escalate even more dangerous situations, not to point out the races of the victims/survivors.

  • newdarkages47

    To everyone saying the police didn’t wait long enough or do enough to deescalate the situation, did you watch the first four minutes of the video? The police are begging him to drop the gun and to talk. The second he raised the gun is when they had to act. If someone points a gun at me in a situation like that, I would think it’s their intent to shoot.

    In addition, this video is from the officer’s camera that showed up after everything started. They were talking with him for a solid four minutes before the shooting in this video. Who knows how long the other officers were there beforehand.

    I read the comments before watching the video and assumed the cop was just going to run up to him guns blazing but the video is far different. It’s unfortunate that in some people’s eyes, it doesn’t matter how the police respond because they will ALWAYS be the ones at fault.

    • Duponter

      You say they were begging him and he didn’t comply as if compliance is something one should expect when dealing with someone who is mentally ill. You say four minutes like that is something impressive? Four minutes is not much time, to be honest. Perhaps the policy in dealing with someone who is mentally unwell (and based on the 911 call that should have been apparent), should be to not send five cop cars and multiple cops with guns drawn. I feel like that is more likely to escalate the situation than to calm things down.

      I watched the video and while it is hard to see and I’ll take the cops at their word, I don’t see where the man was holding the gun in a position that was threatening. Again, it’s hard to make out so perhaps at the last second he raised it like he was going to fire at them, but it did not seem that way to me.

      • NH Ave Hiker

        When someone is threatening with a weapon, police are supposed to draw their own weapons, that’s standard procedure (and common sense). I think the shots were fired because he actually raised the gun towards the officers.

      • Rasputin

        A mentally unstable guy with a gun standing between apartment complexes. You want him to remain unstable and armed how long? Half an hour? You want him to be able to point his gun at cops and have them do nothing? If I was a cop there’s no way I’d go for that. Even a civilian has a right to defend himself.

        • DanT

          Yup, shooting him dead makes the problem go away. Nothing to see here. Move along. Of course there are no repercussions when Americans are killed like rats by cops. So nothing to worry about.

      • Anon

        There was no indication in the 911 call that the person with the gun was mentally unstable. The police did not know that the caller was the person with gun. The police deal with lots of armed people with no mental health or substance abuse issues every day.

    • Anon.

      I pretty much agree with you after watching the video. The officers showed patience in a tense situation – totally different, for example than the officers who responded to the tamir rice (a child playing with a toy gun) who came out of the car shooting.
      At the same time, what strikes me in all of these videos, is that the officers don’t (probably can’t according to their training) help a dying victim. So you end up seeing people dying in front of officers and they seem heartless because they don’t help – and continue to hand cuff/point guns/shout directions to bystanders, all the while a person is dying and nobody can help.
      .Just looks awful

  • A former infantryman

    Just for general education as for the reason for shooting lots of rounds. The real world isn’t television. A single bullet, unless to the brain, doesn’t generally incapacitate somebody instantly. A “non-lethal” shot, let’s say to the lower leg, will severely agitate the target, and drastically increase the likelihood that he or she will return fire. A shooter shoots lots of rounds such that the target is totally incapacitated and has ZERO ability to return fire. Also, depending on level of training, shooters are likely to miss a significant portion of rounds fired because the shooter and target are both moving, and the shooter has heightened respiratory and pulse rates, both of which worsen aim. On top of that, the psychological aspects associated with shooting at a person, particularly if its the first time, can lead to some shooters purposely, albeit subconsciously, missing targets. Similarly, the fight-or-flight response is heightened during periods of stress like this, and out of general fear, a person will fire lots of rounds and basically be unaware of it, simply because the target is not yet incapacitated.

    As for other less-than-lethal options (‘less-than-lethal’ because nothing is actually non-lethal); they may work, but they require an officer/soldier to generally be extremely close to the target. Tasers have an effective range of 15 feet. Stunguns require you to be within arm’s reach. Rubber bullets cannot (generally) incapacitate you and in all likelihood only agitate the target because they just sting. CS gas in an open area may bother your eyes, but if not concentrated, doesn’t really do much, similar to pepper spray, both of which will simply agitate the target and increase the chances he or she begins shooting. A flashbang (stun grenade) ‘may’ temporarily blind and disorient a person long enough to be tackled, but to tackle that person in the few seconds following the explosion requires an officer/soldier, here standing 30 feet away, to be running about 7mph to close the distance within 3 seconds following the explosion. They must also not be looking at the flash at explosion time, or they too will be temporarily blinded. Thus requiring additional time to tackle the target. Further, upon tackling, the target still has to be disarmed, all the while, both the target and the tackler are at risk of being shot by the yet-to-be-disarmed target.

    Standoff distance is incredibly important to the safety of all parties involved in situations involving armed conflict of one sort or another.

    Hope this informs some thoughts.

    • NH Ave Hiker

      Thank you, someone who some experience in this area. So many people are Monday morning quarterbacks, and have never been in this type of situation before.

    • Who cares

      Thank you for this informative response. I do feel like the some of the American public can’t handle videographic evidence because they already have a preset opinion based on some unfortunate past events. I do agree that there many heinous crimes involving innocent victims, two of which are currently front and center on the news, but I refuse to label police offices as a modern-day lynch squad. It may have been possible to determine the situation was possibly going to escalate based the several minutes of suspect not complying the officers commands and called an ambulance so he could had had care far sooner than was given. It’s possible, but I don’t know.

  • Chimbo

    I’m amazed that some of you are so adamant that you can tell from the video this guy had mental illness. The dude is literally a tiny speck on the screen. You can barely see him in the video but you know his mental state? Why because he wasn’t complying? Is being irrational enough to qualify for the mental illness defense in 2016? What ever happened to just being severely irrational because you’re both angry and/or drunk or high?

  • navyard

    oh my goodness, it frightens me how people view the same events so differently and makes me think that we all might need to meet in the middle somewhere to understand other perspectives.
    honestly, when I viewed the video, I was terribly distraught for the police. It was so clear that they just wanted this to end in any other way than it did. After the shooting, they were obviously distressed.
    I’m not sure, but my thought was that when the officer with the body cam on spent some time in the back seat of the car and the audio turned off, I suspected he was emotional because once he hit the street again, his voice was cracking. In fact, the care which the officers took running around to move cars so that EMTs could get in was much more than I expected and they were all visibly upset by the events. If I had been there, I would have needed many drinks just to be able to talk to my family, and then I wouldn’t have wanted to burden them with this, so I would drink even more.

    Here’s how people who are NOT afraid of police think:
    1. Respect police and authority in general. Start with the assumption that they have earned it by virtue of their job. They return it to people who acknowledge this. Sure there are a few bad apples, but if you treat all police as if they are out to get you, then you’re starting off on the wrong foot.
    2. Recognize that police NEVER know who is going to flip on them. It could be anybody so they have to ALWAYS be on alert. Extremely high stress ALL THE TIME. This is why when you’re pulled over for routine traffic, you put your hands on the wheel and keep them visible at all times. Even me, a girl who has never looked like a threat. Because they just cannot tell. Just do it.
    3. Recognize that hats, hoodies, sunglasses all conceal identifying characteristics and that makes ALL humans nervous…not just cops. When you’re talking to someone, remove your glasses so they can see your eyes. When you walk into a store, take your hoodie down.
    4. I don’t even know what else to say. I’m sorry this happened to this guy, but to imagine that anyone can tell when someone is going to act or not act is just naive and DanT, if you were a cop, you would be a dead cop by now because you believe you have all the answers, yet you have none of the training.

    • DanT

      I have a question for you. Why do you think you were distraught for TRAINED police officers, who expect to run into situations like this as part of their jobs, and not the disoriented man surrounded by cops?

      In your mind, Imagine you had a relative, son, daughter or friend who was struggling with depression and run the same scenario in your mind where he gets shot over 20 times by cops. Do you still feel distraught for cops doing their jobs?

      This is a question you should ask yourself. And maybe the answer will lead to some soul-searching.
      If you’re honest with yourself, then you must recognize you are at least a hypocrite at some level.

      By the way those points you mentioned didn’t save the dude that was shot in Minneapolis.

      • Evan Tupac Grooter

        As someone with a close family member with mental illness, I understand how destructive mental illness can be. If my sister were killed by police, I would be devastated by the loss and I would also feel terrible that the police were forced into that situation.

      • Who cares

        I think anyone who has handled a gun knows just how quickly a bullet can travel. After numerous orders, by several officers, to put down the gun, it became clear than that person was a clear threat. It takes longer to snap your fingers than it is to pull a trigger of a gun. That’s what your extensively trained officers know. Now explain to me how you think you know any better than the officers involved. What is your training, Dan T?

        • DanT

          My training is in recognizing incompetence and negligence. “Who cares”, are you a council member or a district commander?

          You have mentioned that you “utilize two schools in the area”, that “visibility was compromised” and ” it became clear than that person was a clear threat.”.

          It seems to me that you want to justify this killing by any means and you want this story to be out of the spotlight. Are you worried about the ongoing investigation regarding this case? Just a tax-paying citizen asking questions.

          • Anonymous

            “My training is in recognizing incompetence and negligence.”
            That’s not a real thing. The rest of us have as much “training” in that as you do.

          • Who cares


  • DanT
    • Kingman Park
    • Who cares

      Dude, I just think you’re a few French fries short of a happy meal. These cases clearly have nothing in common with this one. Compare the threatening stance of this suspect to the others in this article. HE WAS CLEARLY AN IMMEDIATE THREAT. I stand by our fine officers in this case. They can use your suppose too since they swore to protect your safety as well.

      • Who cares

        Err support

      • DanT

        No matter how many times you repeat “HE WAS CLEARLY AN IMMEDIATE THREAT”, that does not make it true. The first posted link is a story about a robbery suspect who was apprehended after shooting two officers, one in the face. That makes this incident in NE look like a child’s play.

        Hopefully, one day our fine officers will visit your house with a no-knock warrant. Or more probably, you’ll be on the other side ‘cos I suspect you’re an incompetent cop.

        • Who cares

          According to your irrelevant article that you are referencing, “In spite of an officer being down, they continued to run after the subject. They continued to pursue,” Willard said. “Even after a second officer was down, they continued at their own peril to pursue the subject who shot two officers.” That’s right, had to PURSUE the suspect. Additionally, here is an article that offer some insight as to why officers could be on high alert. http://www.fox5dc.com/news/171897940-story

        • Chaz b

          Do you interact with humans, or do you sit at a computer assessing incompetence and negligence, or whatever fake resume that you have spun up in your head? Everything you write comes off as manic and irrational. You legitimately come across as someone living in a fantasy world, and you keep posting articles from unreliable and/or non-US new sources. Why don’t you drop some case law on us instead of rambling on and on? A small part of me thinks you might be a spambot designed to pull people into alternet.

  • Cyborg


  • Calling out DanT

    Hey DanT. Clearly you’re either an idiot, a troll, or someone who actually believes your own craziness. If it’s the first two, fine, plenty of those people out here. If it’s the third, MPD has applications on their website. They’re really easy to do. Instead of spewing non-sense, go apply, get accepted, pass the academy. get out on the street, and when someone points a gun at you, use your own tactics. Let us know how that works out for you champ.

    • NY2

      Better yet, the MPD has a program to work with community members. If DanT is willing to attend 6 sessions with the MPD, maybe he can learn a little about the challenges they face, while teaching the MPD a bit about the feelings he and others in his community might be feeling.


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