“you know what time it is” 5 Armed Robberies within a 30 minute time span last night

Photo by PoPville flickr user Miki J.


@capitolization tweeted last night how many feel:

“We’re all just walking around waiting to be mugged & hoping it’s not too violent when it comes.”

From MPD:

“Earlier this evening the First District experienced five robberies within a 30 minute time span [The time span was approximately 8:50 pm to 9:30 pm.], the information appears below;

9th & F Street NE; 15-167-747

The suspect approached from behind stating , “you know what time it is” suspects -2/3 approached from across the street, S-2 flashed a gun in his waistband, obtained was a cell phone. Suspects last seen running south on 9th Street.

3rd & G Street SE; 15-167-771

The complainant was talking on a cell phone, approached from behind, S-1 told her to be quiet, she dropped her purse and iPhone; suspect fled on foot with items, C-1 observed a gun in S-1’s hand. 2 B/M 15-19 years old, no clothing description, possible grey jacket

1300 E Street SE; 15-167-802

Complainant was talking on cell phone, suspect approached from behind, pushed to the ground, displayed a black hand gun, obtained iPhone and purse. 3 young B/M ski masks, wearing all black, fled SB on 13th Street on foot.

Unit block L Street SE; 15-167-763

Suspects 1 & 2 approached from behind and pushed C-1, displayed a black gun stating “take out what you have” last seen on foot R/O unit block L Street NE on foot. 2 B/M, red puffy jackets, thin build med complexion. Ran towards Navy Yard metro, the suspects obtained the complainant’s iPhone & CC.

Unit block of K Street SE; 15-167-764

The suspect approached from behind, displayed a black gun, “give me what you got”, S-1 fled on foot EB on K Street, the suspect was described as 5’9”, 140-150 lbs., blue jacket, black ski mask

Anyone with information about these cases is asked to call the police at (202) 727-9099. Additionally, anonymous information may be submitted to the department’s TEXT TIP LINE by text message 50411.”

and a reader adds this one also from MPD:

“The Metropolitan Police Department seeks your assistance in locating and identifying anyone who may have information concerning a Robbery Force and Violence that took place in the 1000 block of 12th Street, SE.

Tonight, at approximately 6:25 PM, an adult male was approached by four young black male subjects, one of which placed him in a choke hold while another went through his clothes and took his cell phone and bike. The suspects were last seen on foot and his bike Southbound on 13th Street, SE. All reports prepared bear CCN# 15-167-662. The complainant reported pain in his right shoulder area as a result of this assault. The is an OPEN case.”

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  • justinbc

    I wonder if all of the street crime lately is leading to massive increases in Uber demand. If I were someone who frequently walked through quiet streets alone at night I would seriously be considering alternatives at this point.
    People always use the “criminals aren’t from DC they’re coming in from Maryland” but really, all these roving groups of 15-20 yo B/M suspects? Surely some of them live here.

    • SusanRH

      There has not been a night lately that uber wasn’t surging in Hill East. I always used to walk to eastern market, I now über every time

    • Moving off the Hill in about a month. Can’t come soon enough.

      • Aglets

        But to where? Shit is bad all over. I’ve lived on the hill for 18 years and *madly knocking wood* no muggings. One attempt to break into my apartment but that’s in.

        • You know, life really doesn’t end at the DC borders. Bethesda, Alexandria, Court House all offer boatloads of restaurants, coffee shops, transit, and other amenities with very little violent crime. I doubt that those areas cost significantly more than Eastern Market. I really can’t fathom staying in DC much longer when there are so many nicer & safer options available within a few miles.

          • Completely agree! We just moved from Chinatown area to West Arlington/EFC – don’t regret it and it is amazing. 10 min walk to EFC, 15 min to downtown, leave cars unlocked at night, open the windows at night without worrying about burglars, HOV-2 commute into and out of the city on I-66. Sure it is a little “out there” when we want to go out in DC, but the $40 Uber ride round trip is worth not having to worry about this crap anymore.

          • Ummmm, I lived out that way–please DO NOT leave your cars unlocked at night. Jeez, it’s safer, but not THAT safe. Also, many of us have lived out in Northern Virginia. In fact, before moving into DC I lived in McLean, Falls Church, and Arlington. No, they are not as bad as people make it out to be, but I LOVE living in DC and would not want to go back to living in the ‘burbs. I want DC to get better, not have everyone flee to the ‘burbs.

          • Good point. I really love living in DC but all the muggings/violence on the hill this year have made me afraid to walk around my neighborhood at night. Years back I lived in Arlington for a while before moving into DC and I never felt that way there. I don’t want to move back, but these kinds of attacks have me wondering if it’s a smart move, even if it would double my commute. : /

          • I mean, people want different things. I personally would rather trade issues like in this post, smaller houses, and basically no yard for increased peace of mind, larger houses, and a yard – all for the same price. Don’t get me wrong, I loved living in DC and love living in the area, but for the reasons I listed, the burbs make me happier – to each his own.

          • justinbc

            @ParkViewRes, same. I loved in McLean and then Old Town before moving into DC. The peacefulness was nice, but I would never move back unless something happened directly to me or my partner that was so severe we couldn’t get past the shock.

          • Yes. I just moved to Old Town, two blocks west of the King Street metro. It’s super easy to get to U Street, etc. to meet up with friends, yet get to live in an area where everyone leaves their front door open to let their dog sit by the glass door. It’s great.

          • Folks, Arlington and Old Town have the same crimes (and both have their known “bad” areas): robberies, home and vehicle break-ins, and worse. Always lock your windows and doors, keep your car locked and valuables out of sight, etc.

          • I was born & raised in Alexandria. There’ are a couple of reasons why it’s comparatively safer. The police profile. I’m black and when I was 18 I had a job in Old Town. I was questioned by police twice while working there under the pretense of looking for a suspect. This was 20 years ago doubt it’s changed.

            Also VA’s rep as being tough on criminals has been part of the lore for a couple generations now. That doesn’t mean criminals don’t come from outside the area to commit crimes but it does increase the cost/benefit analysis. So a kid in Oxon Hill instead of going to Old Town to mug folks is simply better off going to DC.

            The things required to bring street crime down are things most liberals would find distasteful at least openly.

        • NoVA – it is really not as bad or as far as you think.

        • Arlington, for all the reasons discussed above.

          • Alexandria really has a little bit of everything and so does Arlington.

          • Arlington is way more expensive to purchase a home than Hill East. I’m talking about North Arlington because South Arlington below Columbia Pike isn’t that safe and access to the Metro sucks.

          • @kittycatbob: Agreed. Both are probably better statistically, but North/South Arlington, and Old Town and the rest of Alexandria have similar crime problems. Montgomery County, too. It’s everywhere.

          • Arlington’s overall crime decreased 8.22% in 2014 resulting in the lowest rate since 1961. (source: March press release)
            Your chance of being a victim of violent crime in Arlington is 1 in 663 – in DC it’s 1 in 77. And in Alexandria it’s 1 in 577. (source: neighborhoodscout[dot]com)
            Arlington is so much safer than DC, let’s not kid ourselves. I don’t want to start some kind of argument over which is better because that’s so subjective. But there’s really no comparison here.
            (Obviously necessary disclaimer: I live in Arlington, having left DC myself, and can very much sympathize with this poster.)

          • I felt less safe in Arlington because there weren’t as many pedestrians out and about. Before that I lived in Old Town, which was particularly desolate at night. So I drove a lot when I lived in those places. I’m glad we ended up buying on 8th Street SE in Capitol Hill– I think quiet streets are less safe no matter where they are.

        • There are plenty of places in DC where street crime is extremely rare. I don’t remember the last time I heard about 5 muggings in 30 minutes in Georgetown or Palisades or Tenleytown. 5 muggings in 5 months would be outrageous.

          • It’s more rare in those places but crime still happens. Didn’t someone get stabbed by the Tenleytown metro the other day? I’d assume it was targeted since I never heard anything further. Last summer there was a huge number of car break-ins and the winter before, package thefts. There were several muggings in Georgetown and up near the Cathedral last year as well. Just not 5 in 30 minutes.

        • h – of course crime exists elsewhere – it exists everywhere. That said, most places in Arlington and Alexandria don’t have 5 muggings in one night – they probably don’t even have 5 in one month. The scale makes a difference, and at least makes me *feel* safer

      • The only drawback I see to moving to Arlington from DC is that the County Board has become – how can I say this gently – extremely partisan. What made Arlington great – focus on the future, an eye toward development, etc. – has been torpedoed by the equivalent of the Tea Party getting a spot on the Board.

      • In other news, 658, 887 DC residents did not get mugged last night. Perspective people.

        • You’re assuming all meggings are reported by the victim, result in a police report, and are then compoled into official statistics. Actual muggings are much higher.

        • Are you fu**ing serious with that comment? Perspective? Your being naive and ridiculous. Say a serial killer was on the loose in DC. Would you say, well, there’s over 600,000 people that haven’t been killed yet, so in actuality it’s really safe out there?

          • Statistically, anon is correct – and as for your serial killer analogy, same thing. You’re way more likely to get killed crossing the street or in a traffic accident, than getting killed by a serial killer. That’s not to be dismissive of the trauma that these mugging victims experience, and I’m certainly very sorry to hear about this crazy spate of muggings.

          • HaileUnlikely

            correct in a kind of meaningless way. I wonder what proportion of people out walking in this neighborhood between 9 and 10 PM did not get mugged last night? Obviously, the majority did not, but if this were a daily occurrence (which thankfully it isn’t *yet*), it would approach the point that if you walked around this neighborhood in the late evening every day you could probably expect to get robbed once or twice a year, and that is MF insane.

          • Yep, I’m serious with that comment. And yes I would say it’s really safe out there if a serial killer was on the loose. I was at GW when the DC sniper was shooting people and didn’t live in fear or change my routine. They killed 10 people in an area with millions – are you saying I wasn’t safe because they were on the loose? That’s ridiculous.
            Anytime there’s a slight uptick in crime, everyone starts spewing hyperbole about how dangerous it is in DC. It’s all relative, and many people live in much greater (and real) danger around the world and don’t spend a lot of time worrying about it. If you want to live in fear because there were a handful of muggings, go for it. I’m going to continue my life, act like a normal city resident aware of my surroundings, and statistically be very safe.

          • justinbc

            It’s not just a handful of muggings last night. It’s a handful of muggings almost every night, in concentrated areas that seem to continually be targeted (Shaw and Hill East seem to be the two biggest targets over the past several months). That means that of your 600,000, a good chunk that lives in Georgetown, Palisades, Friendship Heights, etc really have little to fear, and the low income people in the city can be mostly excluded because they have less of value to steal to begin with. Add to that that even though MPD only releases the demographic of the suspect (99%+ young black male) you can take a pretty earnest guess at the demographic of the victim and probably be correct that they’re white. So this increases your chances even greater if you happen to be that race. Have some perspective.

          • Anon at 12:55 you just do that, and I’ll give you a little advice. It won’t be all relative if and when you end up with a gun in your face or lying in a pool of your own blood as I and far too many DC residents have done. There is a wide difference between “living in fear” and being naively blase about a serious street crime problem in our city, and comments like yours are not only unhelpful they are deeply and disturbingly insulting to all of us who will not put up with this situation and demand action to rectify it.

          • HaileUnlikely

            What Justin said, and additionally, and if you’re one of the ~2 dozen people that gets off the metro a mile from your house at 9 PM every night and walks to your home in Hill East, your odds get ugly quickly.

          • I’m not saying that residents of Hill East or other areas that seem to be hot pockets of crime lately should feel safe. I was mostly responding to the “serial killer” analogy timmyp countered with, which I don’t find analogous at all to this situation. It sucks, and obviously I wouldn’t want to have to walk home later in the evening while this sh*t is going on.

          • “Add to that that even though MPD only releases the demographic of the suspect (99%+ young black male) you can take a pretty earnest guess at the demographic of the victim and probably be correct that they’re white.”
            I’m going to disagree with the victim stats. Vast majority of victims of violent crime in DC are African-American (and probably poor). By a huge margin. Even in DC – which has a much higher degree of income stratification and multiple ethnic groups living in close proximity – I would wager 75%+ of violent crime is still between individuals of the same ethnicity.
            On a national level, the percentage is even higher. Something like 95% is white perps preying on white victims and 85%+ is black-on-black. Crime crossing the racial barrier is actually relatively rare.

          • justinbc

            @The OP Anon, for strictly violence, such as a shooting, stabbing, etc, yeah probably. For a robbery on the street? I doubt it. They want to go after the “easiest” target, and many of them know that the white guy / girl is probably not going to fight back, and also likely to have something of greater value to fence.

        • @anon Let me ask you, do you live in the neighborhoods that have been targeted this year? Because I would be my life that if you did live within two blocks of multiple robberies, shootings and stabbings, multiple and random violent physical assaults, and a devastating break in and rape you would be singing a much different tune.

          • Actually, yes. I live in NE and there’s plenty of crime nearby. There have been two recent murders within a block of my condo, but that didn’t make me think I’m in any more danger than before the murders. I’ve lived in DC since 2002 and been mugged once – in Cleveland Park the first year I was here. And I’m not singing a different tune. I live in a major city and take steps to protect myself. But I’m not going to get all worked up over a minor spike in crime.

    • I live in Columbia Heights and go out on U Street all the time. I used to walk home late at night and now I always uber.

    • These didn’t happen very late, maybe 7:30. I think I heard the sirens for the 3rd and G one (I’m at 2nd and D and I never hear that many police sirens, so don’t know what else it could be). If you can’t feel safe at 7:30 on a weeknight, we’re in even deeper trouble.

    • We are definitely using Uber now in situations where we would have walked in previous years (such as coming back from dinner). It used to be pretty okay until 930-10 pm but now that it’s getting dark earlier, we’re limiting our walking and running past 8 pm. It’s out of control. These days it feels more like “not if but when”. Stay safe everybody.

    • Aglets

      When I attempted to foil another person’s mugging last february I got to ride in an unmarked cop car to lincoln heights to ID the suspects (they tracked the iphone with ‘find my phone’)
      it was cool.

    • There was a string of robberies on Capitol Hill last weekend. The suspects had similar descriptions and fled in a minvan each time.
      So who knows where they were coming from?
      I would be surprised if there 5 robberies in 30 minutes in the same general area are not connected. Also would not be surprised if there was a vehicle involved – in which they could change clothes and mover around.

  • It is starting to feel like this is becoming some kind of sport for the players involved. Not good. Ski mask season is here.

  • Law enforcement has reached peak ineffectiveness.

  • But of course – boys will be boys and will eventually grow out of it, right?

  • phl2dc

    Well? What time was it?

  • Maybe if our elected officials such as Charles Allen supported stiff sentencing guidelines this would help send a message. But instead our city council prefers to be weak on crime and cater to the city’s criminals via early release programs and short sentences so these criminals can continue to create additional victims.

    • We could always bring back the pillory. The Middle Ages are so hot right now.

      • I agree. Charles Allen’s response has been a total disappointment. All his proposals are on the long term, social programs side of things which has its place, but what about proposing some legislation that limits the release of violent offenders or limits the ability to give juveniles clean records when they commit a crime with a deadly weapon? Or using his position to call out the AUSAs in the press who are failing to prosecute violent offenders or giving ludicrously short jail terms?

  • That’s in incredible amount of activity in a very small area. Are police increasing their presence in that area?

  • Ugh…I really don’t know what to do about this city. There simply aren’t enough police to stop these random attacks.

    The best we can do, is protect ourselves:

    A) Avoid walking along on empty streets at night. Use urber, walk in groups, walk with a dog, take busy commercial streets.
    B) Have your cell phone loaded with an anti-theft app that: 1) tracks the phones location 2) can erase the phone’s contents and 3) can take photos remotely with the camera.
    C) Be aware of who is around you. Avoid suspicious people and crime hot sports.

    • I honestly don’t think those things provide much help anymore. There are 0 repercussions to robbing someone at gunpoint, so why would these people ever stop? Robberies are happening in the day, the morning, in schools, where people are walking their dogs.

      And for people like me, I take classes at night after work. And as a secondary effect of being in grad school, I can’t afford to take Ubers everywhere. I need to bring my computer with me to class so can’t avoid bringing valuables. I probably just need to move out of the city once my lease is up.

    • justinbc

      I don’t think you can blame police at all for random attacks on the street, unless you had one stationed on every street corner. The very “random” nature of it precludes pre-emptive action by law enforcement.

      • But if there are known hot spots – like the blocks around Stadium metro up to 15th and Independence – and the police patrol that area regularly, then that would prevent some of these attacks, no? Right now they show up after the fact for about 1 week and then disappear until the next spike of crime.

        • justinbc

          For all you know those regular patrols HAVE prevented a crime from occurring to someone. That doesn’t mean that after the car drives off they don’t just target someone else instead.

        • The issue is that uniformed police presence, especially in a fixed post, just move crime elsewhere. If there are groups of young kids going to rob someone, they’ll just go where we aren’t. What’s needed is a few things. First, we need actual jail time for juveniles instead of diversion etc. Second, we need more plainclothes officers out looking for these kids. And that means stopping people looking for guns. And that gets into the issue of profiling, etc. So that’s where you need to pressure city leaders to let cops do their jobs.

  • Even if we do catch these guys it’s best to not charge them and release them to their parents right? I mean, obviously they are headed for success and shouldn’t have their lives ruined for a petty crimes like robbery or assault.

  • Aglets

    oh god this makes me sick. I live right at 9 & F NE and i heard all the sirens last night.

  • mensan98th

    I live in the area of some of these crimes, and I take my car everywhere now.

    The mixed messages will make you crazy: police reports detailing the demographics of the criminals, and at the same time community leaders calling for reduced incarcerations because it harms people’s lives.

    • People are arguing for reduced incarcerations largely for petty drug crimes. I don’t think anyone believes that if you rob someone with a gun you shouldn’t go to jail.

      • If it’s a juvenile, which most of them seem to be nowadays, then yes, plenty of people believe that.

        • Yes, I believe this, because sending a kid to jail means that when he/she gets out in 4-5 years he/she will be an adult hardened criminal. Kids who commit crimes need thorough rehabilitation programs with strong adult mentors and educational opportunities to ensure they can turn themselves around. Is this a less brutal approach than jail? Yes. Is it more effective? Yes.

          • I agree in theory. But, can DC pull this off in practice? Many of these youths have lots of re-arrests.

          • How many crimes do they get to commit as juveniles/how many people do they get to victimize before we sendthem to jail?

          • justinbc

            And what about the therapy and rehab for the robbing / shooting / burglary victims? Who’s paying for that?

          • Accountering

            Nah, you point a gun at an innocent person, you should go away for a long long time. Reform the prison such that drug crimes are reduced HUGELY, and then lengthen violent crime significantly.
            The people doing these muggings should be going down for 10+ years IMO.

          • +1 to accountering’s comment.

          • The reducing “mass incarceration” via non-violent drug reform is a bit of an exaggeration. “Non violent drug” offenders are really only a small share of the total prison population. Drug offenders are a large share of the federal prison population, but the vast majority of prisoners are in state prisons (for violent crime). Plus, many of the “non violent” offenders have violent histories or plea bargained down to “drug charges.”

            By all means, reform drug lass, but it would barely put a dent in “mass incarceration”. To truly end mass incarceration we would need to have the much more difficult discussion about shortening prison sentences for non-drug related crimes.

          • They already are hardened criminals. Don’t pretend like there is any real potential for these kids to benefit society. Most of them can barely speak much less read. They’ll be drains on the system their entire lives so why not start earlier

        • ^^this. There are no consequences for juveniles and they know it.

      • Who do you think is robbing people? Do you think they are uniquely more violent than a drug user?

        People need to realize these things are all connected. A drug user needs money to fund his habit. If an opportunity presents itself to violently take money from someone else they will grab it.

  • I have always been a civil libertarian, but living in this city these days makes me long for the CC camera network of London. If you committed a crime in Chelsea, the police (if they cared to) could follow you on cameras all the way to your flat in Hackney. DC already has a large number of cameras, but they are under the control of dozens of different police forces and government agencies. A single repository for those feeds would be a huge deterrent for these criminals.

    • WMATA can barely function. The city can’t even get a street car running. No way in hell they can create a fully integrated CCTV system that allows seamless tracking across the city.

      • Not to mention the fact that it would be a political non-starter for the same reasons that we’re in this mess to begin with. You can figure it out.

        • Police body cameras AND CCTV everywhere. There. Compromise. I don’t even care about big brother anymore.

        • It would be a political non-starter on the DC side, but if the federal government stepped in the opinions of DC residents wouldn’t really matter.

      • +100, we need CCTV. It’s not a silver bullet. But, it can help. It seems when we have events on Metro, the police can ID the suspects (usually by pulling up their previous mug shot) and make an arrest.

    • I would LOVE it if something like the CCTV that London (and pretty much everywhere else in the UK) has could be implemented here. This is the nation’s capital, for cripe’s sake! We are so pathetically behind the times it’s embarrassing.

    • Having lived in the “police state” of the UK for three years, I am all for CCTV. I used to walk home all the time alone at 3am from my job to my halls or to my off-campus house through some very dodgy areas and always, always felt safe. It’s a trade I’m willing to make.

  • This has got to stop, and there has to be a balance between our ridiculous catch-and-release program that we have now, and mass incarceration for non-violent crimes.

    I’ve heard that often, if it’s a first time being caught, that juveniles aren’t prosecuted and their record is erased. That means they could be “first-timers” 50 times, right? Why can’t we “be kind” or whatever the phrasing is, release non-violent criminals, and leave it on their record, so that there is a real consequence the 2nd, 3rd, etc. time it might happen?

    And what exactly do we classify as non-violent? Does someone have to be physically assaulted for it to count, and just flashing a weapon and stealing someone’s property considered okay, and therefor release-worthy?

    There has to be a middle.

    • Based off the story yesterday about the kid who assaulted the elderly gentleman in the Metro, was released, and then assaulted Metro transit cops, physical assault doesn’t even seem to count these days.

      • I don’t know that specific story. But just because a person was released does not mean he was not charged and awaiting a trial date.

        • @Anonymous: I believe the story stated that was the case (awaiting sentencing, or similar).

        • That particular guy was scheduled for trial for the Metro assault yesterday or today. Figured he’d get his last licks in before he gets locked up. The release pending trial crap has to stop.

    • People who comment on this blog have a lot of ideas or have “heard” a lot of things about how this works which simply are not correct.

    • This. As a juvenile, the number of points that a person can accured (points are assigned to each type of offense and the total determines which sentencing guidelines apply/dictate possibles length and jail vs. probation vs. short-split etc.) is capped. So essentially after you reach that cap, which is easy to do, you can keep committing the same crime without ever facing more serious consequencess until you become an adult.

      Not to mention that you can consistently fail to meet the terms of your parole or release.

      Most of the folks I see coming through Superior Court have juvenile records a mile long and matching adult convictions. Even after all the job coaches, education coaches, case workers, substance abue programs, mental helath services and anger management classes. At some point, doesn’t the well-being of the next victim(s) outweigh the right of rehabilitation of the re-offender, even if it is a “kid”?

  • This is ridiculous. I’m a new Hill resident and I’ve got time on my hands. Who’s office do I need to go sit in to get our voice heard? It’s getting to a point where the Hill is just ripe for the picking and the criminals know that.

    Are there any neighborhood watch groups, movements to get police attention in this area?

    • justinbc

      Charles Allen is the ANC rep

      • Charles Allen is the Councilmember not the ANC rep.

        • justinbc

          Sorry, yes, that’s what I meant to say (since I don’t know what ANC she would fall under). I’ve had success in the past getting his office’s assistance on stuff, but obviously nothing of this scale.

          • I’m 6A05 — is there even a point in going to my ANC member or any of those meetings? I’m new to the city and I’d like a general rundown of how things operate here. I’m learning but if I’m going to raise hell I want to be as efficient and effective as possible. From what I’ve read it just seems like the council members and even police are just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and are settling for “well there’s no rhyme or reason soo…” Which is NOT good enough for me and I’m sure everyone else who is doing their part.

            Anyway, can anyone give me a quick summary of recent crime legislation attempts and a general overall understand of who does/doesn’t support efforts and why? Or any good resources?

    • Talk to Kenyan McDuffie. He’s the Ward 5 rep, so not yours, but the main leader of opposition to any new anti-crime efforts.

    • Charles Allen, the Ward 6 council member, is having his office hours tomorrow morning from 8 to 9:30 at Curbside Cafe, 15th and C, SE. if you can swing by there to make your feelings known.

      Most of the meetings (ANC, PSA, and otherwise) are at night, which doesn’t encourage me to venture out. Of course, at this point, broad daylight isn’t safe either. I feel like I’m in a flashback to the 80’s-early 90’s and I don’t like it.

    • Charles Allen is having office hours at Curbside Cupcake tomorrow morning at 8 AM.

    • I’m in 6A05 as well – our ANC rep is Patrick Malone: http://anc6a.org/commissioners/6a05/

      I haven’t been to any of the meetings, but I’m not entirely sure what they can really do about this stuff. I’m sure most muggers get away so releasing violent offenders probably wouldn’t be a big deal. Unless they hire more police (seems like a good idea) what can they do? If people are going to be assholes, it’s pretty difficult to prevent that.

  • man, that’s ridiculous. People deserve safety. So sorry this isn’t getting any better in DC and the mayor does nada, really.

    • Actually the Mayor’s aggressive plan to go after repeat offenders just got blasted by the Council and police unions. Even if DC government tries to go after those criminals with 30+ offenses, there is backlash. The Council would rather have these criminals out on the streets in “supervised” housing and restrict what the police are allowed to do or not do.

      • I hate crime too, its bad news, and I love this city. grew up here and want to stay here. I also think warrentless searches should not be allowed. I also think that if the mayors plan had been allowed, it would have eventually been overturned by the courts as being unconstitutional.

  • did i see this morning that these were all related?

  • An effective police force must rely on a level of law abidance that is not being currently met in many parts of DC right now. Can the police do more? Probably, every occupation has both the committed and the slackers. Can it do enough? Definitely not. So that leaves us with two options: 1. Give up Or 2. Make Changes. If we go with #2, the consequences of this issue, which includes people losing their lives, initially demand bold and aggressive law enforcement action. We will have to not raise hue and cry about stop and frisk, warantless searches of felons, improper arrests, etc. We have to live with these unfortunate outcomes until which time the city is much, much safer. We can’t criticize cops while also demanding to be safer.

    • Nonsense.

    • Every part of this comment is BS, but particularly this one:

      We can’t criticize cops while also demanding to be safer.

      There aren’t only two options: Gestapo or Mad Max. That’s just what the police union wants you to think.

  • Time to go.


    As others have suggested, using Uber (and Lyft–search the Web for free ride deals from both!) is a good option, and a $10 ride is less costly (in every way) to being robbed.


    NoVa has robberies, too, albeit far fewer than the District. But even that needs to be broken down into neighborhoods–much of NW DC has very little crime, relative to the remainder of the city. (The patterns are clearly visible on the crime maps, over time.)


    However, who would bet that these problems are going to disappear any time soon? How many years will it take? Forget it.

    • HaileUnlikely

      An Uber/Lyft ride 3x per week for a year likely costs much much more than being robbed, provided that you are not injured in the robbery. (I fundamentally agree with your point, and I’m a risk-averse guy myself, but the math is off).

      • The math is fine (and we also have different notions of “cost”).

        • HaileUnlikely

          Nope. You said “in every way.” If you said “in some ways” and give a very high value to the trauma associated with being a robbery victim, then I have no business arguing with your valuation of the monetary cost of a bunch of Uber rides vs. your pain and suffering. However, the probability that you’ll lose more monetarily in a robbery than you’ll lose paying for uber multiple times a week is about zero. (I’ve been robbed at gunpoint twice in my twelve years here. It took me a while to get over it. I really wish I had taken a cab (this was before Uber even existed) those two specific times. However, if I replaced my daily 3/4 mile walk from the metro to my house with an Uber ride every day, that would have added up to $18K for me from the day of the first robbery to today . It’s rare to lose $18K in a robbery unless you happen to be a bank.

          • justinbc

            I almost never carry more than $20 in cash, and my phone (and any other electronic device I own) is insured for $50 for an entire year. So the amount lost to me would be basically nothing, it would definitely be a mental cost (assuming they didn’t also shoot me or gang attack).

          • You know, Justin, this is something that gives me great pause. I never carry cash (there might be a dime rolling around somewhere in the bottom of my purse? And I often wonder why I even carry a purse since I usually leave my house with exactly: keys, cell phone, smart trip, 1 credit card…I’m even anti-umbrella/pro-raincoat), my phone is an old-ish Android (two models out of date, I think?), and I don’t take my other electronics out of the house unless it’s my laptop or camera and I’m getting in an Uber and heading straight to the airport with them. I’m actually worried that if I do get robbed, I’m going to get shot for not having anything of value. Thoughts?

          • HaileUnlikely

            JoDa – Good thought. I typically carry about $40 for exactly that reason. Both times that I’ve been robbed, the f*ckers have said “give me what you got” or “give me your money.” Once I took out my wallet, removed the cash, handed the cash over, and they fled without even taking the wallet (didn’t even have to cancel credit cards!), and the other time they took the wallet, I asked them nicely to give me my license back and they did, and then they fled. (Once was before smartphones had been invented, the other time I had my phone in my jacket pocket and they didn’t think of asking for it.) Given that once I lost $40 and the other time I lost about $50, I can’t imagine I would have been *better* off without the money to hand over, and suspect that I probably would have been worse off.

          • @JoDa I keep a “decoy wallet” for this purpose — a few bucks, some random cards (old library card, etc.) to make it look legitimate, and keep it in my purse to have something to hand over to a mugger.

          • justinbc

            @JoDa, it’s not a great leap, but it does take a different mindset to hold someone up than it does to actually pull the trigger. It’s not much consolation, but the person who would actually shoot you is probably going to do it regardless of how valuable what you have is because they don’t want a witness. I also think many of these probably happen in seconds, they don’t take the time to assess worth because they have to GTFO.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Justin – both of the times that I was robbed, the robbers were quite young (17 max, my guess is 14-15), probably inexperienced, and visibly nervous. I’m pretty sure they had no intention of shooting me, but didn’t want them to find themselves in a scenario that they hadn’t thought about, freak out, and end up shooting me by accident.

          • Justin, I generally agree that it’s a different breed that shoots, but, there’s that scenario where I am of a demographic that probably *does* have something, and I’m telling them I have nothing of value, and that agitates them. Chances are, they’d take my offer of “all I have on me is my credit card, Smarttrip, and this cheap old phone” and run away (with or without them, since none of that is of much value), but I could see a confrontation of “come on, b****, I know you got something on you” and things going south.

      • Using lyft or uber is a good option… if you have the money in your bank account. What about minimum wage workers who HAVE to walk or take the bus? Every time someone says “take an uber,” I know it makes sense but it drives me nuts. Like, I’m sure we’d all take ubers or own cars rather than taking buses or trains or walking if we could afford it.

  • My affection for the Hill is seriously waning. And as many have pointed out, you can enjoy nearly all the benefits of DC (museums, dining, nightlife, etc) without living in DC. That sounds more and more appealing.

  • Any area that has a property problem is going to have a crime problem. All the revenue that the city is generating it would be better spent on services to combat poverty in the district rather than an onslaught on police surveillance that will only generate more resentment from impoverish communities.

    • justinbc

      The answer to resentment is not to go around waving guns and robbing people because you think they’re responsible for changing your neighborhood.

      • I did not state that resentment is justifiable reason for the nonsense that going on. Nor did I say anything about changing neighborhoods, it didn’t even come to mind! What I stated was a reason, while not justifiable, for crimes we are seeing from kids. And that resentment was towards police and how police respond to people that live in high poverty areas. So the corrective action is not MORE Cops that patrol as if all these people are criminals. The response should be effective resources to change that community FOR the people that live in it. When a person lacks the basic needs to live, housing food, proper education, etc. the more the lure to crime out of need or resentment.(AGAIN NOT JUSTIFIABLE) All this continues to do is put a band-aid on the symptoms and not tackle the problem head on. Any way what would be your solution?

        • I’m not buying that resentment against police leads to robberies. It leads to distrust of police. Wanting somebody else’s stuff and knowing you’re not likely to be punished for taking it leads to robberies.

        • Given that a lot of these crimes are committed by teenage boys, it’s hard to buy that there’s much deep thought or feeling behind their actions. Rather, these seem to be crimes of opportunity, and even a teenager can pretty effectively analyze the opportunity set in DC: They can steal, plus look cool/tough to their friends, and know full well that if (big IF) they are caught, the penalty will be minimal. So why not?

        • “What I stated was a reason, while not justifiable, for crimes we are seeing from kids. And that resentment was towards police and how police respond to people that live in high poverty areas.”
          Translation – resent towards police leads to armed robbery. Sorry, that is ridiculous.

        • “When a person lacks the basic needs to live, housing food, proper education, etc. the more the lure to crime out of need or resentment.(AGAIN NOT JUSTIFIABLE)”

          Sorry, but no. the majority of people who lack these basic needs don’t stick a gun in someone else’s face and demand their money.

          • HaileUnlikely

            A can be correlated with B, even very strongly, without the majority of A’s doing B. Regardless of the subject matter, I have little patience for arguments as dumb as “most A’s don’t do B, so B has nothing to do with A.”

        • One of the basic resources that is missing from the lives of these “kids” is adult supervision and guidance. You have a segment of a generation that are essentially raising themselves. You don’t need money to teach your child right from wrong. The vast majority of kids living in poverty in DC are not criminals.

    • Who cares what the “impoverished communities” want?

  • Maybe cell phone companies could help by allowing owners to really disable their phones if they are stolen. My 14 year old son was robbed of his I-Phone in Stadium Armory metro in the middle of the day and while i did not know this at the time, I have hunch that the phone was fenced at a Game Stop. If the phones were worth nothing after being stolen, it might cut down on crime. Suspect was caught on surveillance tape, had done the same thing to another kid, and got 11 months jail time for each robbery.

    Also, people need to keep their phones out of sight and remain fully aware of their surroundings. You are tempting fate to be walking around and distracted by talking on the phone.

    • Agreed that people need to keep their phones hidden when walking around, especially at night. Yes, I KNOW we shouldn’t have to worry about that and it’s “blaming the victim” and everything else, but it’s true. I say this as someone who had a phone stolen from my hands in broad daylight in a busy area — ever since then I never keep my phone out when I’m walking, and I wait until I get to my destination to make calls. Yeah, it sucks, it’s annoying and we shouldn’t have to worry about this crap, but that’s how it is. People talking on their phones are (mostly) oblivious to their surroundings and will always be easy targets for phone thieves.

    • Agreed. Both the phone and earbuds stay put away now, even during the day (unfortunately). I’ve been checking the crime map for robberies in the city over the course of the year, and the situation has definitely worsened.
      An increase during the summer made sense, but now it seems more likely to be an increase in the perception that crimes can be committed without repercussions.
      This is oft-stated, and an individual can only do so much to prevent being victimized, but please remember to 1) keep valuables, such as phones, away from sight and temptation, 2) stay aware: eyes and ears alert and focused–the day’s over, your job now is to get home safely, 3) move briskly, with purpose, 4) keep to well-lit and busier areas, 5) use certain streets to your advantage–for example, 2nd St. NE has U.S. Capitol Police who are probably, mostly bored, 5th and E St. SE has a MPDC 1D substation, etc.

    • With the prevalence of security options that allow you to lock down a phone like Apple now offers, what is the motivation? If a stolen phone can’t be used after it’s been locked up there must be another motivation to steal them. My theory is that these kids are selling them for a nominal amount to a second party who is breaking them down and selling the phones on the internet, or, who is running a phone repair business. I can’t think of any other good motivations. Any thoughts?

      • From what I understand, the current software lets you lock and wipe the phone remotely so that none of your personal data is compromised. However, the phone, once wiped and factory reset, is still perfectly useable by just putting a new sim card in it UNLESS cell phone providers will block/lock the IMEI number that is specific to your device from using their network. Right now in the US, providers don’t do this (although in some other countries I believe they do) so the phone does still have resale value and the carriers themselves profit off of this (they get the $ from the new account on their network).

        I remember this being a debate awhile ago, and Chief Lanier was vocal in asking for this to be enacted in order to reduce cell phone theft, but I don’t think it ever went anywhere?

  • Kenyan McDuffie needs to get voted out. Bowser is finally trying to do something to prevent repeat offenders from continuing to rob and murder people and he’s actively opposing it and pandering to the BLM crowd.
    If you want to do something to stop crime, tell McDuffie to stop supporting criminals.

    • Agreed on Kenyan McDuffie! Also, people like CM Brianne Nadeau are part of the problem with their soft stance on criminals. Take the energy that you put toward pushing public housing and use it to keep your tax paying citizens safe before you lose them!

    • I’m in his ward, please provide documentation to back up your comment. It will help come next elections

  • Unfortunately, there are many moving parts in D.C. The police can do everything in their power to catch criminals but what happens in these robbery cases is that the defendants are right back on the street almost immediately. The judiciary in D.C. is not accountable to any politician so they are able to act independently and do what they believe is in the best interest of the community and the defendant. This should be a good thing but in D.C. it’s completely out of control. It’s not uncommon for an individual to be up for sentencing for a robbery that they committed while on probation for another felony and they walk out of the front door of the courthouse. I’m a lifelong democrat and have never voted for a republican presidential candidate but there is a side of me that wishes that our next president is a republican so that they can appoint some more conservative judges to the D.C. bench (yes, this is who appoints them). I’m certainly not one who believes that one’s life should be thrown away over a simple mistake but it is unconscionable that the Court continues to send people back into the community who prove time and time again that they have no intention of doing anything other than terrorizing other citizens. Most commenters on this post talk about agonizing over the idea of moving out of D.C. Can you imagine if that wasn’t an option for you? Most people in the community can’t simply pick up and move if they are victimized and simply have to relive the horror when they see that same individual out in the streets.

  • I’ve reached my tipping point. After suffering from one of these types of attacks on the Hill – in broad daylight no less – and seeing this unacceptable and seemingly unstoppable increase over the past year, I’m ready to go. I’ve lived near Eastern market for over 16 years, through some bad times and better times, but it’s just not worth it anymore.

  • I recenty moved to Nova after many years in DC because of the spate of crime, several shootings and a homicide right by my house, and ongoing problems with DC city services. It has been a great decision so far.

  • I think the upswing in crime is stem from the Michael Brown, Eric Garner, and Freddie Gray deaths. While people have correctly questioned police tactics and practices in this circumstances, I believe it ignited the anger in a lot of these perpetrators that these crimes are somehow justified. But, I recognize that’s just my opinion.

    • the ironic thing is that you can kinda blame their deaths on the kids that going around mugging people. the thugs create an environment in which many others are scared they’ll be the victim of violent crime, and innocent people get caught in the middle.

    • When DC was the murder capitol of the US, the world had never heard of any of those people you named.

  • And here we go again:

    Alert: Robbery (Gun) at 1149 hrs in the 900 block of East Capitol Street, SE. Lookout for (2) B/M’s, wearing a dark hoodie, dark pants, and face mask; and driving a Blue Dodge Durango. L/S S/B on 11th Street and M Street
    DO NOT TAKE ACTION CALL 911 W/ EVENT #I20150612857
    Sent to 1st District (PSA 101-108) Alert DC
    Sent by MPD CAD #10094

  • Just got a DC crime alert about a robbery with gun around noon today on E. Capitol St. SE

    Alert: Robbery (Gun) at 1149 hrs in the 900 block of East Capitol Street, SE. Lookout for (2) B/M’s, wearing a dark hoodie, dark pants, and face mask; and driving a Blue Dodge Durango. L/S S/B on 11th Street and M Street

  • It’s worth noting these issues and there have been serious problems this summer and now fall, but all this talk about moving to Virginia is ludicrous. There are practical steps you can take to protect yourself, and the onus is on us all to pressure our leadership to take meaningful action. DC is never going to improve if people tuck tail and run every time the going gets tough(er). This is a blip on the larger timeline of DC’s renaissance– important to address, without a doubt, but actually being a member of your community means more than just patronizing the latest $30 brunch spot. Get to know your neighbors. See something say something. Organize a neighborhood watch. To those of you about ready to run out to NOVA stop pretending that it’s only about crime rates. Just do it already– enjoy your hour-long commutes, franchise restaurants, extra-wide parking spaces and soul-sucking homogeneity.

    • Exactly!! Ugh, but unfortunately some people don’t want to actually put the hard work in. If you want to move to the suburbs for schools, safety, bigger house–fine, but don’t grandstand and act like moving to Virginia or Maryland is your only option. Many of you say it’s still close to DC and you’ll come into the city for dinner, museums, etc. Okay, well you can be a victim of crime by visiting too!

      • Yes! When there is a problem in your community you should engage more to find solutions. Do people not have a sense of civic duty? I’m sure they don’t want to move to the suburbs to avoid crime then get robbed while out at dinner in DC. Sweeping the problems under a rug by moving doesn’t fix it. I’m thinking about the flight from the city in the past that left DC as the “murder capital” when I was growing up.

        • You might feel differently if you were a victim of one of these kinds of attacks (and hopefully you never are).

        • People always talk about making things better, but in reality flight is the what most families have chosen in the past and will chose again. My own family moved across the world for a better and safer environment, and, when necessary, we would do so again.

    • Oddly I have found that Nova is much more diverse and has much broader dining options than DC. I haven’t been to a chain yet, but of course we have them, just like DC. What I found to be “soul sucking” about DC was the sense that there is no political will to change things. It is one thing to clean blood off of the sidewalk where your kids play and another to feel like city leadership can’t or won’t prevent future bloodshed, or help my family feel safe in our neighborhood and home.

      Your post ia extremely self-righteous, haughty, and offensive. I lived in DC for a decade before moving to Virginia, and I didn’t live in the “gentrified” areas for all of that time. Yet you tell me and people like me to “engage” with our neighbors and you attack our choices. How long have you lived in the District? Do you have a family and young kids to worry about? These things matter.

      • HaileUnlikely

        Agreed completely (this from a city-dweller, 10 years in Brightwood, going on 3 in Takoma now)

      • And that’s why I said if it’s for a combination of reasons–schools, safety, house size, etc understandable, but a lot of commenters are not saying that. They’re saying they’re done with the crime and DC. I am from Northern Virginia and as a gay person I do not find it to be diverse at all. When I am in DC I find tons of people just like me and tons of people not like me. When I visit home I don’t find anyone like me and still hear racial and gay slurs sometimes. It’s very uncomfortable. Priorities are different for us and that’s why it makes sense for you to live in the suburbs, but not for me. I think what you did is common–decade in the city, but when the kids start growing head to the suburbs.

        • I’m a lesbian and used to live in NoVA (still work there) but feel much more comfortable in DC as well. I don’t think I’d ever move back.

          • Sure Arlington isn’t as visibly gay as Logan Circle, but I can’t image the close in burbs of NoVa is much different in terms of tolerance.

      • Honest question for those of you who have left the city: why do you keep posting here? It’s pretty clear you’re ambivalent about your decision, or else you’d move on. It kind of feels like the guy who checks his ex-girlfriend’s horoscope, not a sign of someon who is fully on board with how things worked out.

        • Oh, get off your high horse. Just because you live in DC it doesn’t make you better/hipper/tougher than people who don’t, or people who did at some point and then moved away.

          (fwiw I live in DC)

          • I don’t think I’m on a high horse, I find comments from people who don’t live in the city disruptive. I don’t really need people from the next town over telling me that I should move. I grew up in NoVa, but I don’t go on neighborhood blogs for Arlington and talk about why they should leave Viriginia.

            I moved out of Virginia and I live here now. If you moved out of the city, you live there now. How is it constructive to try and convince a bunch of strangers on a message board that you made the right choice?

          • @madmonk28 I don’t see people in the thread telling other people they should move out of DC, but a few people saying they’re considering/already have moved out for various reasons. Lots of folks on this blog live in DC and work in the suburbs, and lots live in the suburbs and work in DC. Anyone with a connection with DC should be free to comment here, IMO.

          • I’m not saying that they shouldn’t post here, just that I personally don’t particularly like posts from people not from the city shitting on living in DC. It’s great that they want to live somewhere else, but if their new home is so great, why do they keep coming back here to post.

            To be honest, I think a lot of those posters were always going to move to the suburbs; there is a certain subset of new arrivals who bring a suburban sensibility to living in the city; they don’t say hello on the street to passersby, they don’t really engage with the neighborhood. They’re here to get their little urban adventure and we’re all just extras in the movie playing in their head.

            It’s great you moved to Alexandria, but why come back here to talk about why DC sucks? Isn’t where you live interesting enough to hold your attention?

          • I’m going to half-agree with madmonk here —
            it is getting very disruptive to have the same “and this is why i want to move to the ‘burbs” chain of comments on every.single.crime post that appears on PoP. Everyone is free to say what they want, yes, but… it’s so darn repetitive and there is little if any productive conversation coming from those types of comments.

        • As someone who recently moved to Alexandria – I still find this blog useful for my daily life. I’m still just 5 metro stops to DC proper, and am there almost every day for work, culture, dining out, etc. People here act like everyone has to be either 100% suburbs or 100% city, but it’s very possible to have a life that is part of both.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Agreed. I live in Takoma, in the part where the streets are named for various flowers and trees. Zip codes notwithstanding, your life is probably more “city” than mine.

          • I just moved to the burbs, but live less than half a mile from the DC border (in a neighborhood that is denser than many of the neighborhoods in DC, FWIW), work in the city, eat in the city more often than not, and still am involved in and care about many things in the city (for example, my daughter’s former school). We’re so close that the youth soccer league is still Stoddert, rather than the MoCO league (thank Go – no driving to Gaithersburg for games!). The notion expressed above that I was inevitably moving to the city is laughable – most of my friends and peers moved out long ago, especially those with kids, and we were the last hold outs. I love living in the city (any city), and will likely do so again as an empty nester/in retirement, but a confluence of factors made a suburban move the most sensible thing to do. People should live where they want, and where it makes the most sense for their lives.

        • Yeah…you can very easily live outside the DC line but still spend a significant amount of time in DC itself. This is a very well-run blog that appeals to anyone who has any interest in DC, whether it be restaurants, free events, charity events, news, etc. You don’t have to go to sleep at night within that boundary to have a tie to the area and want to stay informed.

      • NoVA is definitely getting a lot more diverse. And poverty/crime is increasing there as well. The demographics are flip-flopping so that the rich/white/young live in the city and the poor/minority/old live in the suburbs, with the very poorest living in the inner ring suburbs.

    • west_egg

      You know, I used to think the suburbs were nothing but “franchise restaurants, extra-wide parking spaces and soul-sucking homogeneity,” too — until I actually spent some time in a few suburbs.

      • most suburbs are soul-sucking. a few aren’t, particularly the ones around dc.

        • I lived in one of the most culturally diverse parts of NovA, and it was still soul-sucking. You spend so much time looking at roads, and cars, and ugly strip malls, and bearing the brunt of other people’s rude behavior (road rage, pushing and shoving at the grocery store, neighbors’ kids running wild and screaming continuously). Honestly, the worst years of my life were the ones I spent in Annandale, and the environment was entirely to blame. No amount of bibimbap and Peruvian chicken can make up for that.

        • What is soul-sucking is that everyone you meet is miserable and/or crazy, and they all either try to run you off the road or get in a fight over parking. Those thinking about moving should check our their new neighborhood blog, fairfaxunderground.com. It gives you a very good idea of what you’re getting into.

      • I guess I have a hard time defining Silver Spring, Bethesda, Arlington, Alexandria, etc. as “suburbs”. Yes by definition they are suburbs of DC, but they are their own cities in their own right as well, with their own suburbs. When I hear the word suburbs I think of planned communities of quickly-built houses on the same size plots with names like “Green Tree Estates” or whatever. Not Clarendon. I think this is where the issue comes in, is with people defining that word differently, or at least associating it with different things.

        • Silver Spring, Bethesda, Arlington, and Alexandria are all mostly typically suburban communities like you described. It’s just the areas around the metro stations that are urban.

          • And actually, I’ve been to parts of Silver Spring that were downright rural!

          • Yeah you’re right about some areas outside of Silver Spring (I forgot, I’ve driven through those areas too lol). I currently live in Arlington and it’s still more urban than anything that the word “suburban” brings to my mind. Is it all suburb of DC? Yes. Is the area I live in more urban or suburban? Urban for sure. If you can get by (easily!) without a car then I’d say it’s not quite the suburbs.
            But again, it all depends on what you think of as suburban/urban/etc. Which also depends on where you grew up. If you grew up in Brooklyn then sure you’d think Arlington is suburban. If you grew up in Manhattan you might think Brooklyn is suburban!

    • This sort of perspective–“be a member of your community! Organize a neighborhood watch!”–comes up often in these threads, and I always respond the same way: sure, great, but it’s not my responsibility, nor yours. It’s the job of the city government, to whom we pay a significant amount of taxes to provide essential services and establish public safety. It’s awesome if you want to dive into your community and do things like “get to know your neighbors,” but how that correlates to not getting held up at gunpoint or seeing offenders arrested, sentenced, and jailed escapes me. Neither you nor I have the responsibility to make that happen. Don’t lose sight of who actually has the capacity to address systemic problems.

    • In expensive DC – where people are pushing easily over $700K in Petworth – people are too spent both emotionally and financially to worry about the rest of the community. When upper middle class people with good jobs are dropping 40-50% of take home into housing, they expect to not have to put up with this crap (rightly or wrongly).

      • True enough, but a modicum of research by a prospective homeowner in Petworth, Park View, or whatever is the hot neighborhood du jour, would inform them that a $700-800k home doesn’t equate to a completely “safe” neighborhood. That should be part of the calculation behind determining whether to move to these areas. Sure, the more people dropping this kind of coin in these neighborhoods, the safer they will become. But there’s no telling how long that process will take.

  • i.e. lincoln park, full of toddlers, at noon. beautiful.

  • There is a lot of hand-wringing going on here. WE LIVE IN A CITY. Recognizing that crime exists doesn’t mean you accept it, but it is reality. I’m an 18-year resident of the city who has been the victim of violent crime myself (robbed at gunpoint about 5 years ago).

    The fact is that even given the spike of the last 6 months or so, violent crime is DOWN:

    “The Urban Institute released a new report as part of a larger study on D.C. highlighting which neighborhoods in the city have seen the biggest change in the number of violent crimes between 2000 and 2014. Violent crime — aggravated assaults, robberies and homicides — has dramatically dropped…”

    Source: Washington Post http://wapo.st/1OKPGat

    But if you’ll be happier in the suburbs then just go already.

    • justinbc

      From a purely statistical standpoint, you can’t begin by saying “even including the spike over the last 6 months” and then cite a survey that doesn’t include that period. Not that I disagree that it went down dramatically from 2000 to 2014, but what has people concerned is the current perceived increase over the more current administrations.

    • HaileUnlikely

      The suburbs aren’t for me, but I am very tempted to move to a safer city. Yes, they exist.

    • Go look up the crime rate in Manhattan. Last I checked, they “LIVE IN A CITY” too, but you can do absurd things like walk down the street at night, take the subway at off-hours and even use a smartphone in public with less chance of becoming a crime victim. Begs the question why, and I would suggest that having so many residents with your attitude in DC enables the situation.

    • west_egg

      There is no excuse for committing a violent crime. Being a victim of one is traumatic and scarring. As far as I’m concerned people can get as upset as they want, because even one armed robbery per year would be one too many. 5 robberies in 30 f**king minutes? Get out of here with your “hand wringing” accusations and your “move to the suburbs” sanctimony.

      • Five robberies in a city of 650,000 people?

        The sky is falling! Better flee to Bethesda!

        • HaileUnlikely

          This is the national’s capital, less than two miles from the actual Capitol. We should expect a whole lot better.

          • When DC was the murder capitol of the US, most of the murders were happening less than two miles from the actual Capitol. Now that people who “count” are being hit by crime, it’s time to clean things up?

          • HaileUnlikely

            No, it was a monumental embarrassment and a serious problem back then. We had improved a lot since then. We’re going backwards very rapidly now though.

        • Oh Kevin. You’re the worst. You have no idea you’re part of the problem, do you? If someone’s gotta be the next person to get mugged, I sincerely hope it’s you.

          • Maybe Kevin is a robber himself? the horror!

          • it really is a psychological study on this board, isn’t it? My theory is that the people who swoop in and insult anyone who expresses concerns about crime in DC are deeply insecure about their own choices and lash out at any suggestion that they may put those choices in a bad light. And that they maintain a steady state of cognitive dissonance in order to ignore the possibility that they themselves could become crime victims. Alternatively, it’s also a distinct possibility that they are just assholes.

          • You’re so sweet, Zora.

    • That’s all well and good that crime is down now compared to 10 or 15 years ago. However, statistics provide little comfort when I’ve had no less than 5 muggings, several violent, within a 5 block radius of my home between Lincoln and Stanton Parks since last Friday. These events have involved handguns, have been in broad daylight, on busy streets, with people around. Crime sure doesn’t feel like it’s down to me…

  • In case anyone would like to continue the discussion in a more centralized location, I created a thread here:


  • MPD only reported one robbery on the 1000 block of New Jersey Ave. SE. Also, it is well known that Navy Yard has ONE police officer that patrols during the day (thanks MPD), and who knows what [lack of] coverage there is at night. The muggings have increased in Navy Yard – along with the number of buildings that are going up – and MPD is still only concerned about NW.

  • this thing sounds like a serial offender (blue minivan/suv is a common thread), which I find strangely encouraging. It’s probably reached a tipping point where they’ll get caught because they’ve gone too many times to the cookie jar. I’d be more concerned if there was this volume of unrelated incidents in such a small window of time.

  • I have lived on Capitol Hill for 17 years or Hill East to be politically correct. I moved here from Ireland and have walked this neighborhood as you can imagine thousands of times. Its a few young thugs trying to put fear into the ever changing neighborhood. I doubt truly that these kids would even have the balls to pull the trigger. As all the reports have said suggested they displayed a gun in their belt. I understand that it is a unsettling situation but its only a matter of time before 1. They are caught by MPD or 2. They pick on the wrong individual. Several months are my friend was mugged on 12th st SE and within a few days MPD did their job. One of the muggers caught a punch and it broke his noise and he went to hospital 48 hours later but had a address from SE. The overall crime on Capitol Hill or for that matter SE DC is relevantly low. I now have lived over the bridge for 5 years and again its a fairly safe neighorhood. These are crimes of opportunity and people who dont live hear should and dont even know how much of great neighborhood this is should keep their opinions to themselves and stay where they are in VA. We dont want you anyway lol……MPD will do their job and like any other crime spike it will eventually be nipped in the butt……Walk in pairs at night…..be aware of your surroundings…..dont walk with your head down and most importantly STAY THE FUCK OFF YOUR PHONES AND TABLETS

  • I live 1/2 mile from two breweries, two grocery stores, great bars, a famous restaurant row and a James Beard Award winning restaurant (Woodberry Kitchen). A 720-acre park is less than a mile away and features a zoo where you can have breakfast with giraffes. The elementary school nearby is made up of a diverse section of kids (students are from 18 different countries), the middle school is ranked 9/10 on Great Schools-with student teachers from Johns Hopkins-and there are 4 different magnet high schools that my child can apply to. No one on my block has a security system. I pay $1,000 in mortgage for a 3 bedroom home with hand-scraped wood floors and a fully-renovated kitchen.

    You don’t want to move to the suburbs, you don’t have to. The solution lies just a 50-minute ride on MARC north of here.

    • That’s a rough commute for those of us that work in VA, though. Even people I know who commuted from Baltimore to DC couldn’t sustain it for very long. Maybe if/when that bullet train gets built?

      • HaileUnlikely

        I have a co-worker who lives literally across the street from the Odenton MD train station. I live 3/4 mile from the Takoma metro. Crazy as it sounds, our commutes take about the same amount of time door-to-door.

  • Sounds like the cops caught the guys responsible in PG County. So that’s good.
    One commonality I’ve noticed with these is that the victim is always approached from behind. I think it’s a good idea to look over your shoulder now and then, and look into the alleys as you pass them. Even if you don’t see the person that’s planning an attack, they might pass you by in favor of a victim who’s paying less attention to their surroundings.

    • HaileUnlikely

      You raise a good point here regarding the attackers approaching from behind. Both of the times that I was robbed at gunpoint (both times by African American teenagers), the attackers came up from behind me as well. I was not unaware of their presence either time. However, there are hundreds of African American teenagers in my neighborhood. I have a teenage godson from Togo for goodness sake. If I were to take off running or turn around and take a fighting stance every time I become aware that there’s a black kid walking behind me, my neighbors would all hate me and I’d probably be in jail by now. As a guy who often works late and is walking home from the metro well after dark, it’s sort of a damned-if-I-do-damned-if-I-don’t scenario.

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