Bus Bench/Shelter Removed from 14th St, NW in front of Domino’s Pizza

Nov. 2011

“Dear PoPville,

A while ago when you mentioned the opening of Domino’s Pizza on 14th St. [2701 14th St, NW] I was one of it’s supporters. Recently I noticed that by coincidence (?), the canopy and seat of the bus stop that was on the sidewalk in front of Domino’s Pizza, disappeared when the pizza place was built. While the Pizza place gets a lot more visibility from 14th Street, old people (and today a pregnant lady) have no choice but to sit on a fire connection while waiting for the bus. You can see the pregnant lady sitting on the connection and the difference in color of the sidewalk where the canopy was removed (by the man’s umbrella). I think this is unfair.”

June 2010 (You can see the Bench/shelter behind the bicyclist in the photo above

31 Comment

  • andy

    do you think Domino’s was behind the bench removal?

  • Life is unfair.

  • Solution: Get rid of the stop, too.

    • +1,000,000

      I can’t believe how close the stops are around here. It makes the bus take FOREVER to get somewhere. . . . oh, and the dudes that pay in nickels.

  • Plenty of (most?) stops don’t have seats/shelter. In New Haven, the shelters are heated. I suppose that’s unfair too (in DC, they should be air-conditioned…).

  • I’m confused. Am I supposed to be jumping to conclusions about Domino’s evil intent or WMATA’s corruption and incompetence? Or both, even?

  • What’s with the pizza places everywhere? That’s the real conspiracy.

  • Ha!

    I knew it. I asked myself when Dominos rumors first surfaced why any retailer would open in that space because it is compeltely visually blocked by the bus shelter.

    I am sure Dominos is behind it. Look at the picture above, the entire front of the store is blocked and you can’t see it. Why would any retailer agree to that?

    Also, 14th street has a bus stop literally every half freaking block, which is another issue and is ridiculous.

    The stop is still there, the shelter isn’t. If people want the shelter, they can walk a half block in either direction.

    • +1 regarding too many bus stops. Why do the buses stop at every block?! One of the reasons I hate to take the bus is that it takes so long to get anywhere, and the constant stopping is a big part of the problem. Can’t people walk two blocks to catch a bus?!

      • Exactly,

        One reason I love the Circulator and will wait at a stop an extra ~5 minutes to catch a circulator going the same way because I know with the Circulator only having a qtr of the stops, that I will still get where I am going faster.

      • andy

        it’s possible they can justify it near the larger apartment blocks based on the population at each block. If too many people are at each stop it can be a real zoo.

      • I used to feel the same way about too many stops until I took the 14th St. bus during mid morning and was aware of the number of elderly and handicapped people who use the bus. Not sure they can make it two extra blocks. I think the answer, though, is more express buses during rush hour, and I think Metro is trying to address those challenges. However, I see the S-9 getting boxed in by traffic on 16th St and wonder if it’s really faster.

        • andy

          16th St traffic between about Shepherd and Columbia Rd. is a disaster every day, even on the weekend, and I have never understood why. At minimum they need to make it illegal to park on 16th.

          • Andy, I’m convince you live behind me.

          • I wonder if it’s because it gets a traffic dump from Arkansas, but I don’t know. It also might be because of too many lights through there. Almost one at every block.

          • Imho, this section of 16th picks up DC cross traffic horridness due to the Rock Creek – the confluence of the Rock Creek/Arkansas coming east and the 3 east/west cross-town drives (Klingle/Park/MtP Sts, Irving St and Columbia/Harvard).

            it has alot of lights, because there would be zero ability for the cross streets to move if there were no lights for them.

            I definitely think they should look at restriction parking til 9:30 am M-F on 16th – as a massive backup also occurs at U when the 2 lanes revert to one lane after u St. I also think they need to look at the multiple-direction lanes and maybe make 2 flip lanes instead of just the one – these lanes of course back up at Irving and again at FLA/W St as the left becomes a turn lane).

            But 16th street is a street that people live on, so… making 16th never parking is, to me, quite ludicrous.

          • andy

            i live on 15th north of Piney Branch Park.

    • ah

      Why does Domino’s need visibility?

      First off, they’re business is geared to delivery and you know about it from the web or the phone book.

      Second, if you walk by it you see it. If you drive by it, are you really trolling the streets looking for dominos?

      Why not get dominos to put advertising on the shelter?

  • It looks like WMATA may be reducing the number of stops along 14th Street . A few weeks ago they removed the bus shelter from 14th and R, and then I walked out this morning, and the bus stop sign was completely gone! It would have been nice if WMATA had taken the time to post a notice or something.

  • That was one of the brand new shelters, so I can’t imagine that DDOT (who actually controls the shelters in conjunction with WMATA–most of the shelters are subsequently managed by a private advertising firm) just randomly took it away. There has to have been a reason behind it, either complaints from Domino’s, or they are eventually eliminating the bus stop.

  • I’ll have to agree on this one that moving (or eliminating) the stop is probably wise. It did completely block the storefront, and there are too many here in the city.

    I agree that moving or eliminating the stop can be a real inconvenience for handicapped / elderly people who live in *that* particular building. And for them, I do really feel bad. That being said, if I didn’t/couldn’t drive and relied on public transportation to get around to everything, I’d have to question why I’d choose to stay in the city at that point. I love urban living, and I’m going to stay until I’m a wrinkled old man, but at some point, I’ll have to recognize that city living is something that can’t be done by the very elderly, frail, or handicapped without some level of help (which, obviously, varies considerably). I think the day I couldn’t walk / wheel / hobble two blocks away on my own would be the day I realized that.

    Some are lucky enough to have friends or family who can provide that help, others are very fortunate and can pay for it. If I wasn’t in one of those two groups, though, I’d probably move to the suburbs and get myself a Towncar and live where I have my own parking spot and every business I went to had a private lot.

    Is that something that’s really that bad? People make decisions about their circumstances and how that impacts residential options all the time. People with pets pass up great apartments to find something pet friendly. People with kids have to give up great one bedrooms for something big enough for a family. People who are deaf or blind or wheelchair bound find accommodations that meet those special needs. The elderly forgo walk-ups for elevator buildings. How obligated are we as a society to customize mass-use products like transit beyond basic service levels (ramps, elevators, sounds, lights, etc) to the level of “Bob lives on this block so we need a stop right here?”

    • pablo .raw

      I think your post is interesting. Allow me to ask the opposite: Why should we customize the public space to serve the corporation and not the elderly or you? Why not find a half way solution where let’s say the shelter is eliminated but we provide a bench for the elderly, the pregnant ladies and others so that they don’t have to sit on a fire connection? Why do you have to even think about moving to the suburbs and not ask the Pizza place to find another creative way to promote their store?

      • DDOT is in the process of moving many bus shelters to the beginning of blocks, rather than the end of the blocks, to help ease traffic congestion and reduce conflicts between stopped buses and cars trying to turn right in front of them [which is illegal, but commonplace]. This may or may not be one of these situations where a bus shelter move is planned. DDOT is pretty responsive on twitter and facebook – you could always ask.

    • If you’re elderly and/or handicapped and/or poor, moving to the suburbs would probably be worse or not even an option—few or no rent controlled or subsidized housing, worse transportation options because public transit doesn’t come to your door and you probably don’t drive. While I may be able to skip the bus and bike or drive to the store or to work, not everyone has that luxury, and the bus is the only option. No, I’m not convinced by your argument. Public transportation is designed to serve the public, including those who are less able to sprint four blocks to the bus stop.

      • “Public transportation is designed to serve the public”

        Sure, but I think what shaw_guy is getting at is that public space should be optimized at some point above what is optimal for the least-abled (or lesser-abled, or something along those lines). I don’t know exactly where that point is, but we can’t put a bus stop right outside the house of every elderly resident and we can’t conclude that DDOT or whoever screwed up because they removed a bench that a pregnant lady would have otherwise sat upon.

        (And please, dear readers, I’m just demonstrating the point, I don’t hate elderly or pregnant people….)

      • Also meant to say that I agree with you that moving to the suburbs doesn’t actually strike me as being an overall better situation for elderly folks than being in the city.

        • I think I pretty much agree with that, though that’s not what I read from Shaw-guy. Whatever, it’s an interesting conversation.

          Happy T-giving, all!

  • OK, so if you street view google the address… the pre-shelter installation bus stop was directly in front of the buidling entrance doors, not in front of the then-vacant now Domino’s Pizza shop.

    Just an interesting difference. First it got moved from in front of the newly redone building, then it got removed totally. Interesting.

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