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“Show Up and Say NO to Permanent Late Night Metro Service Cuts”

by Prince Of Petworth October 18, 2016 at 4:15 pm 26 Comments


From an email:

“When: October, 20th, 5:30pm-6:30pm
600 5th Street, NW

Who: DC Residents Who are Against Service Cuts

Social Media Link.

What: Metro has proposed cutting late night service (and off peak service for some stations), permanently.

On Thursday, Oct 20th metro will be holding a hearing to get feedback from residents.

Concerned residents will host a rally outside the Metro Building and show up to the hearing with signs and let metro know that we need to fix the system but it should not come to the detriment of D.C. residents.

In one of the richest regions in the United States, we can find creative and effective solutions to fix our transportation system.

Our leaders should develop a “regional agreement” between MD,VA,DC leaders, businesses, and advocates to say no to late night service cuts (and off peak service cuts at some stations) and yes to pushing for additional funding that does not come off the backs of area residents.”

  • Cynthia Perry

    I feel that cutting rail service on the week-end is not a good idea. I like going out to places that can get me to and from safely. If you leave a place in enough time and transfer on the train by the 3:00 am you can make it home safe. It can stay at the 12midnight during the week. I would like to keep the 3:00 am week-end.

    • FridayGirl

      Honestly I personally don’t feel safe riding the metro that late. But I think their option of keeping it open until 1am on the weekends is a good compromise. If there are going to be cuts and we need it open later than midnight then there *has* to be a compromise. There’s no other option.

      • Bryan

        1am is not a compromise when many restaurants and bars are open late. A lot of people who work low wage jobs need the metro to get them home. No matter what, Uber and Lyft type services are expensive. At least in comparison to the train. These low-wage workers would be screwed and forced to spend out of pocket on transportation.

  • MoreRealistic

    I’d rather have a Metrorail with the necessary repairs, so that we don’t have more accidents. Thanks

    • bob


    • Dave

      This would be nice, but read the FTA reports on Safetrack (or look at the daily meltdowns the system’s been having) — repairs aren’t being made properly.

      The early closing times won’t do anything but harm the region and let Metro do less work.

      • maxwell smart

        Agreed. I’m very skeptical Safe Track is actually making noticeable improvements.

  • GBinCH

    I get people don’t want late night cuts, but I don’t hear people proposing other solutions. The post above mentions raising funding from sources other than off the backs of local residents…ok then, what are these sources? If you’re not listing them, I think the OP doesn’t have any in mind. The reality is any increases in funding will most likely come from fair increases or contributions from the DMV coffers, which are based on taxing the local residents.

    • ***

      Here is what I don’t understand – are they going to be doing work system-wide during this time? Probably not – they don’t have to manpower to deploy maintenance on all lines at the same time. So why not adopt a safe-track late-night schedule, where you keep late night service, but there is a rotating schedule where sections of the lines are closed and/or single-tracking? There is definitely a better solution than what has been proposed – granted it requires some creative thinking which I know is asking a lot of WMATA.

      • rockyartdc


    • Anonymous

      Additional funding sources? Fire the useless station managers. Each station only needs one rude WMATA manager sitting around on their cell phone, not the 5 or 6 they have at some stations now. That should free up quite a bit of $$$.

    • Bryan

      There are a ton of ways to go about this. Later openings on weekends. Earlier closings on weekdays on some lines. Single tracking during the middle of the day on weekdays to open up a few hours of maintenance between rush hours.

      More to the point, we are your every day DC resident. I am not paid to come up with the ideas. That is why WMATA uses our metro fares (ideally) to find people to sit around a table and think of things to solve the problems. But the fact is, ending late night service is a terrible idea and I would hope that the people WMATA has hired to look into this matter would realize that and come up with better solutions.

  • Ally

    I know few people (including my dear husband, who has had it up to ‘here’ with metro) will agree, but I REALLY wish the feds or city could agree to subsidize or co-subsidize the amount the metro needs to cover the late-night weekend rail service. I also really think that late-night coverage should have been provided for major sporting playoffs (maybe the Nats could have covered a bit to help with the overage?).

    • nevermindtheend

      The change to rail hours has been presented as a matter of safety – more time is needed overnight for maintenance – not of financing.

      • Ally

        Good point and not much of a way around that.

      • CHGal

        But that’s in the short term. Metro is now proposing to end late night service permanently. They can’t possibly need to close at midnight forever just to keep up with maintenance.

      • JJ’s Diner

        If it’s a matter of safety, that’s fine. But it’s hard to pitch that as the reason when we’re still waiting to see the results of all the track work that has been happening on the weekends for years, as well as the more recent Safe Track shut downs. If anything, the system just seems to be getting worse–constant disruptions, fires, derailments, etc.–so where are the results of all this work? Like I said, I’m fine cutting hours, but there HAS to be a related improvement in service. I think that is what people are pushing against most.

  • ***

    In addition to their simplistic approach to hours (see reply comment above), this has to be discussed hand-in-hand with bus service. Will there be expanded late-night bus service? Will there be after-hours express buses? This has to be a holistic approach.

    • FridayGirl


  • Colhi

    One thing that drives me nuts about this conversation is that too many associate the late night metro service with young people going out and those who need it because they are too drunk to drive. The reality is many low income service providers need Metro to get to work. Most of us work in office buildings that are cleaned at night. Most of the servers, bar backs, cooks etc can’t afford to live in DC proper and need to go home after work. Many of those that serve breakfast and make coffee in the morning have to get there really early in the morning. While I don’t know the answer to the long term funding question of Metro, let’s not forget the working people that use Metro and acknowledge that late night metro is not only being used by 20-somethings from Arlington coming into DC to party.

    • maxwell smart

      +1 – I used to work as a closing supervisor, and during the holidays when the store would be open later, during the week I would have to send various people home early so they could make connecting trains/buses before the system shutdown at midnight. This could easily become the norm and have a very real and very negative impact to the growth of DC.

      • Dave

        Great way of putting this in perspective. I see a lot of reactions along the lines of “oh man, those poor millenials will have to Uber home from the bar!”

        In reality, those hardest hit are low-income. Just because regional media isn’t doing a great job of covering their plight doesn’t mean they’re not experiencing pain from early closures. This should not go on indefinitely.

  • nate

    cutting late night service one the metro is a bad idea this beyond a bar/club issue this is people way to get home bring It back ASAP

  • textdoc

    In case anyone else was curious about the timing of the hearing itself, it appears to span most of the day — 12:30 p.m. to 10 p.m. today:
    Hearing No. 611
    Thursday, October 20, 2016
    Metro Headquarters
    600 5th Street, NW
    Washington, DC 20001
    Open House from 12:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.
    Public Hearing from 12:30 p.m. to 10 p.m.

  • textdoc

    You can also submit written statements (due by 5 p.m. Tues. 01/25) and/or take a survey at http://hours.questionpro.com/ (survey closes at 5 p.m. Tues. 01/25).

    More info at:

    • textdoc

      Typo correction: Tues. 10/25, not 01/25.


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