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Dear PoP – Scare Tactics Used to Oppose New Bistro in Old Post Office Building at 14th and T St, NW

by Prince Of Petworth May 11, 2011 at 10:20 am 131 Comments

The next “Adams Morgan” scare tactics come to H St, NE, Bloomingdale, Logan Circle, Columbia Heights T Street NW.  My favorite part is “New York investor”…

“Dear PoP,

I live on the 1400 block of T Street, site of the proposed Post Office Bistro.  Some alarmist neighbor slipped me this flyer last night, which makes a litany of exaggerated claims about the restaurant and states that “EVERYONE ON THE BLOCK NEEDS TO OPPOSE THIS AT THE MAY ANC MEETING” tonight (emphasis in original).  I generally stay out of these fights, but this flyer is so absurd that now I want to support the restaurant at tonight’s meeting.”

For those who missed the the post about the new bistro looking to come to the old post office building at 1407 T St, NW, the liquor license application said:

“Casual and relaxed bistro restaurant serving an extensive Saturday & Sunday brunch with and total occupancy load of 259. Request a Sidewalk Café with 56 seats and Summer Garden with 14 seats. In addition, requesting an Entertainment Endorsement featuring recorded music and DJ.”

  • That’s ridiculous. NIMBY types really need to put things in perspective. Other cities all over the world are denser, have taller buildings, more bars, cafes and restaurants, more noise, more lights, more traffic, more of everything. DC is a pretty quiet town by international capital standards. Get a grip, one more nightclub isn’t the end of the world.

    • This is exactly how Nazi Germany got started. A bunch of developers, setting up casual and relaxed bistros and offering extended brunch. Clearly, you’ve learned nothing from the Weimar Republic and “Cabaret.”

      • PG

        If he’s against Bistros he must hate the French. You know who else hated the French?

      • Bitter Elitist

        Wilkomment Bienvenue Welcome

        • Bitter Elitist


  • JayCee

    Yeah, because 14th is such a quiet little street. I don’t know why I’m always amazed by the response from these NIMBY folks each time someone comes into to add some flavor into this ho-hum town.

  • Jeff

    Yeah, everyone who lives on that block “has” to live there.

    • Anonymous

      They were all forced to buy $1+ million houses at gun point! In a bustling entertainment corridor too!

      • Jeff

        Right. I can understand expecting a reasonable level of quiet and calm after certain hours in a residential area that abuts an entertainment district, but anyone who’s this worked up about it should probably move back to Ashburn or California or wherever.

      • Tioqueso

        I’m not a NIMBY, but for the record, our house wasn’t worth a mil when we bought here, 20+ years ago. And the neighborhood wasn’t such and “entertainment corridor” then. I welcome the added amenities — restaurants, theaters, clubs, etc. But please don’t imply that some people with concerns are whining from our palace balconies.

        • Tres

          That’s a very fair point.

          The flip side, of course, is those of your neighbors who bought awhile back and seen their equity jump to 200 – 300% AND dislike nightlife have the means to move almost wherever they want in DC. They/you won the real estate lottery. Good for y’all. I hope the granny who wrote this petition gets real and sells for quieter climes.

          Actually, here’s what they can do. Rent the place out. A home near there is worth probably $40k – $60k in rental income per year. Finish off the mortgage and buy a beach condo. Although I am glad you personally like the neighborhood as it is, because I do too.

      • steve

        you’re really far off the mark on this one.

  • BP

    Why assume that we either care about or desire to be like “other cities all over the world?”

    Personally, I couldn’t care less about said cities. I don’t own property in any of them; I own property here, in DC.

    From past experience, if you believe this to be a net negative for the neighborhood, the best time to oppose the propsed use is NOW, before it’s been green-lighted.

    • dmf

      generally a statement like that is meant to demonstrate the futility of opposition, and not be an endorsement of doing what everyone else is doing…

      this is ridiculous, not because “everyone else isn’t doing it” but because it is pain-in-the-ass opposition to the natural flow of urban dynamics. and generally just causes problems and animosity to no real end.

    • Yes, just trying to give a little perspective here! It’s not like they’re proposing a hog-rendering plant or NASCAR racetrack next door. The flier’s overblown, alarmist language is totally over the top.

      • Speaking of which, any news on Spike Mendelsohn’s new pig-rendering plant themed eatery, “A Pig in Toque?”

  • Anonymous

    I will go to SUPPORT this license.

    • Neighbor

      Me too!

      • scarecrows NOW

        don’t waste your time. the anc will automatically vote to protest the license no matter how many supporters there are.

        • Tres

          That’s an argument FOR showing up. If the ANC lives in a bubble, it’s harder to affect change — all the more reason to work HARDER as opposed to give up.

          Be a peanut in the gallery. Drag friends to peanut with you. Put in some face time with the goofball panel.

        • Will

          Yeah, right. “Don’t waste your time” to show up at a community meeting, meet neighbors and be involved.

          Ignore scarecrows NOW. That’s really lame and cynical advice. I sure hope he/she doesn’t live in the neighborhood.

          Go to this meeting or any other one you want, regardless of you position. We need more involvement, not less.

          • scarecrows NOW

            whatever, Will. i disagree. and yes, i live in the neighborhood.

            $100 says the dupont circle anc protests this license.

            not that it even matters if they protest. the dupont circle anc protests every license. and as a result, no one gives a flip what they have to say, because their constant state of protest has destroyed their credibility. all they do now is annoy and delay small businesses from opening.

            it is not worth your time to go down to the meeting.

  • Dustin


  • Owner

    I love this building. I’m so happy something is going in there.


    Give me a break. The primary investors live in DC, have lived in DC for a long, long time, he is a lawyer for a bank and lives in the Dupont ANC. God forbid we turn a commercial space into a commercial venue. I’m all for negotiating VAs that cover noise and hourts, but this kind of all-out opposition is completely absurd. I’m one of the closest houses to this and am not opposed at all. I support it and welcome them to the neighborhood. I hope thos in support will show up or at least let the ANC commissioner, who no doubt is apoplectic (and probably wrote the flier), that you support it.

  • Jason

    It will be great to see this building in use. Can’t wait.

  • K

    I’m sure Ramon Estrada is behind this.

    It’s time for some new representation in this ANC, instead of a guy who doesn’t answer constituent email and is touting Chidago’s as a big WIN. #fail

  • Anon

    People like this are absolutely pathetic.

  • Ben

    In all seriousness, anyone who supports this license AND is incensed by things like this hyperbole-laden flyer should make an effort to attend tonight’s ANC2B meeting and voice their support for this establishment. The best way to trump the hysteria induced by a handful of neighborhood residents is to show up in overhwleming numbers and demonstrate that the community supports these types of businesses.

  • Anon

    Question, where was the revolution when bars 1-15 moved onto 14th Street? Whats wrong with this one? I dont like DJs anymore than the next red blooded american Mennonite, but I think that ship has sailed and we can just declare 14th street a dancing zone and move on.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly. Seems like this person is a little beyond the curve on this one. Will one more venue change the neighborhood? I think not.

    • Neighbor

      From what I understand in speaking with my neighbors, they object to development on side streets but are OK with development on 14th. Personally, I think this is a narrow, short-sighted approach- instead, we should be focusing on the quality of what is going in, rather than creating arbitrary boundaries for development.

      • scarecrows NOW

        you’re totally right. i would *much* rather have all commercial buildings on the side streets be abandoned.

        • Neighbor

          we are in agreement.

          • Anonymous

            The difference is that the old post office building is directly adjoined to a residential building and faces a second residential buildling

          • scarecrows NOW

            clearly you don’t understand sarcasm. no surprise that you have no sense of humor.

  • steve

    I would personally be happy to see something go into this space too… but I do have friends in the neighboring green building and I feel for them. This will certainly affect their sleep schedule in one way or another. Heck, I’m actually in the same position a few blocks away. I guess we have to rely on the existing laws that require patios to close early and just hope that music doesn’t travel too loudly through the alleys/walls.

    • Dean

      I live in the green building, and I’m really excited for the bistro. What’s better: a nice restaurant, or a dilapidated storefront? Having an empty building there is ugly and unsafe. Having a bistro means a nice brunch.

  • Neighbor

    This is absurd.

    I fundamentally do not understand people who would rather keep a property vacant than work with the developers in a positive manner to voice concerns. The restaurateur and developer have been very communicative with the local residents and have stressed their commitment to work together to develop this space in a way that does not negatively impact the surrounding neighbors.

  • steve

    you know what sucks, though? this isn’t going to become a post office. they really could make it a cool, efficiently-run spot to replace the atrocity they’re closing across the street. I always have to use the post office near work because there isn’t one close enough to my home (near here). can they at least name it something post office-y?

  • T Street Neighbor

    I live on T Street, and I have sympathy for the concerns expressed. But that flier is stupid. I would prefer a low-key coffeehouse or daytime business in that location. Policy hasn’t exactly been neighbor-friendly. But any business is better than no business. It couldn’t remain vacant forever. Unless they plan to raze the houses on T St, it’s not in danger of becoming 18th Street.

    • scarecrows NOW

      Are you kidding me?

      1. If it were economic to open a low key coffeehouse or a daytime business in that location than someone would have done it already.

      2. Policy hasn’t been neighbor-friendly? Clearly you are not up to speed–they signed the most restrictive Voluntary Agreement I have seen in a long time. http://www.dupontcircleanc.net/pdf/voluntary-agreements/2b09/Policy-1902-1906-14th-St-NW%285-15-2008%29.pdf

      • Kevin

        Agreed. There’s a low key coffee shop directly across the street and no one goes there. Meanwhile neighboring Saint Ex is constantly slammed with patrons. To a developer, the choice is clear.

  • Katie

    “The restaurateur and developer have been very communicative with the local residents.”

    Which residents? I’m a homeowner on this block and haven’t heard boo from them. I’d love to be part of the dialogue, but this week is the first we’ve heard of these plans. I’m not necessarily averse to them, but I keep hearing “they’ve been communicating,” and I’d like to know: with whom?

    • dmf

      have you tried to talk to them, or are you waiting for them to come to you?

      • me

        Her point is that she didn’t even know that anything was being done about the place. How could she try to talk to them if she didn’t know the plans existed???

        • dmf

          there appears to be paperwork on the window.

          • Neighbor

            Yep- plus, Prince of P had a post a couple months ago about it…

          • me

            Ok, since everyone reads this every day.

          • Fonzy

            Ignorance is bliss until she hits you in the face.

        • These projects always have notices posted on the site with information about community meetings where the plans are to be discussed. And as the PoP community knows, these projects often get discussed at a lot of meetings, as well as in online fora.

          It is disingenuous for a neighbor to claim the developer “never” contacted adjacent residents. You just have to be tuned into the right channels, and if you care about development in your block that you know is going to affect you, you should know those channels.

          Otherwise, your real complaint is that you missed the bus because it didn’t stop in front of your house and honk the horn.

          • Katie

            I’m plugged in to the “right channels,” as you suggest. I read PoP and Borderstan regularly. I’m on the ustreetnews e-list. Despite that, I haven’t heard much about this until this week via the blogs.

            My point is that the developer is disingenuous if he’s claiming to have been in active communication with neighbors.

          • ArchyLeach

            Hey we all know who really has the responsibility for communicating with residents on the block. That would be the ANC commissioner. But he tends to not do that, leaving it to his histrionic spouse Elwyn Ferris. Vis the flyer above.

    • Prince Of Petworth

      The owners have their contact info in the window as others commenters noted. You can see it here:


  • Anonymoose

    Dear NIMBY,
    Reston, Virginia is located 23.6 miles to the west of you. If you want peace and quiet and the unlimited ability to boss your neighbors around and tell them what they can and can’t do, feel free to move there.

    • Anonymous


    • cbr

      Ugh. I HATE you. What is it with the move-to-the-burbs elitism? This ridiculous argument is thrown whenever someone shows any kind of care about what is going on in their neighborhood that you may disagree with. Keep your mouth shut if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute. There are ways to disagree with respect and principal. This kind of crap is all over the neighborhood blogs and listservs. It is immature, it is unkind, and it is not useful. Knock it the F off.

      • Jeff

        And your response isn’t much more constructive. Count to 10.

      • Anonynon

        I bought a house in a commercial/entertainment corridor and now I spend all my energy opposing commerce and entertainment! So unfair! I am a homeowner and I have rights!

        • Anonymous

          you have a very focused perspective.

  • Dan

    Just curious…how does the occupancy of 259 compare to similar neighboring places such as St. Ex/Policy?

  • Anon

    As an Adams Morgan resident, I’m offended by this. :)

  • Sandy

    The flyer states “the residents who have to live here”. Uh no. You chose to live near a major commercial district located in a city. Get a life.

    • Anonymous

      the emphasis is on LIVE not HAVE.
      also, this has not always been a major commercial district.

      • ArchyLeach

        Yes, it has.

        And it has been a commercial district going back to the very day most of the historic buildings along 14th Street were constructed. The larger ones were for noisy clangy smokey car dealerships with inventory and repair garages integral. Smaller buildings were restaurants, grocery stores, saloons, heck on top of what is now Masa 14 there used to be live brass bands.

        Then came the riots, as we all know. Things got quiet, when they weren’t life threatening. Unless of course you’re suggesting it should somehow retain the overall lower decibel levels of a riot-induced urban development coma?

  • Kev29

    Adams Morgan = the boogie monster

  • dude in yo face

    OMG – Property values will rise and this whiner will retire to Ibiza!

  • Anony

    I’m normally anti-NIMBY. But I feel for the residents of T street.

    Let’s face it living next to or across from a restaurant sucks. They are very noisy at odd hours, attract vermin and generally don’t care about their residential neighbors.

    • ArchyLeach

      Here’s a good idea, then: don’t move into a place directly next to a COMMERCIAL RETAIL building, then pretend you can stop a restaurant from moving into that space. And when one does consider moving into that space, don’t saddle up with the most extreme and erratic opponents, who will completely fail to achieve what is possible, namely a decent VA to contain the externalities of that commercial operation.

      When people sign a mortgage or a lease, do they actually do that without having looked around the property, especially at the building connected to or across the street from the thing?

      • Denizen of Tenallytown

        Depends on when the property was purchased. Anything from 2002ish – 2006ish was probably hastily bought over the phone without even stepping foot inside.

    • Anonomous

      I agree totally, which is why I made a point not to buy within shouting distance of a commercial building, school, etc. Why buy there? Too stupid to know the building next door (on 14th freakin’ street!) could become a restaurant?

      • Tres

        +1 The neighbors made their bed, now it’s time for them to lie in it.

    • Anony

      There is a huge difference in buying/renting a place next to an old post office and a general commercial building.

      Post Office – closes by early evening. No crowds of people outside. No music. No food waste.

      Restaurant – open until late at night. Lots of people and loud music. Smelly trash.

      This is on a side street next to a commercial corridor–not on the corridor itself.

      • ArchyLeach

        Which is interesting because NOBODY living next to that building ever lived next to a Post Office. It’s been part of a furniture store for over twenty years. Anyone looking at renting or buying next to it would have seen a COMMERCIAL enterprise, not a Post Office.

        • Anony

          It doesn’t matter if it was a post office, furniture store, gun store, whatever. It’s the fact that it wasn’t a bar/restaurant. Very few commercial enterprises stay open until 3 AM blasting loud music.

          The residents of T street have every right to complain. If I lived there, I would too.

          • ArchyLeach

            Actually it does matter, the zoning that is. If a building is zoned commercial retail, it can become any commercial enterprise the owner or lessor wishes. That is the law. And the law allows them to reach a Voluntary Agreement with a restaurant to control impacts. The law does not allow them to just prevent one type of usage over another. If you don’t like the law, go to City Council, don’t blather at an ANC mtg or a liquor control board hearing. Work for a change in the law, or in the meantime work in a grownup manner on a vol. agreement. The end, period, that’s the law. And Mr. Screaming Flyer doesn’t sound like someone any restauranteur will want to dance with for very long, so gee wonder if they’ll end up with no VA at all? And who’s fault will that be then?

          • CAHBF

            False. THe residents of T Street aren’t complaining. *A* resident (maybe) is.

  • Andy(2)

    They have concerns but banning really isn’t an answer.
    Instead – insist on a voluntary agreement Why that requires that noise be kept below a certain level, outdoor dining close at 10pm and that NY investors will post on NYC blogs how much better things are in DC.

    Don’t be a Boehner – compromises resolve problems.

    • dude in yo face

      Ok Neville.

      • ArchyLeach

        Ok Newt.

        • word

          Ok Ned.

    • Michael(2)

      I think people who don’t live in this area should stay just stay away and not worry. That’s my solution to the compromise.

  • Hipster Harry

    I don’t understand DC neighborhood politics / ANCs. It’s as if DC has improved in spite of local efforts. Just imagine what this city would be like if residents didn’t oppose every new proposal for development/businesses. It’s a city, people. Cities have noise, traffic, restaurants, etc.

  • Ace in DC

    If you live on this block / ANC – make sure to go to the meeting tonight and voice your support. It is all fine and dandy to dismiss this neighbor as an alarmist loony – but if he/she/they are the only ones who go to the ANC meeting – they win. Often the loudest crazy voice wins over the quiet/non-existent voice at ANC meetings.

  • textdoc

    The flyer doesn’t actually seem all that hyperbole-laden to me. Sure, a single late-night restaurant does not an Adams Morgan make… but a lot of the other concerns sound valid.

    I can understand how people on T Street might have preferred for this commercial space to become a store, or a cafe, or a non-late-night restaurant… and how they wouldn’t mind similar venues on 14th Street as much, but would perceive the side streets differently.

    Seems like some people are a bit too quick to dismiss anyone with objections as a narrow-minded NIMBYer who belongs in the suburbs. Surely there is a middle ground between “no development whatsoever” and “development full steam ahead, no holds barred”?

    The restaurant may have lots of good elements… but I can see how the 2-3 a.m. closing time and club-like aspects would worry many of the neighbors.

  • logan

    I’m so glad I saw this post. I will definitely be there to support this establishment. I’m so tired of the NIMBYs always resorting to these tactics. These same idiots will take that bus up to NY every other weekend, spend all their shopping dollars up there and them come back and complain how we have no good retail and boring streets. Hello! Wake up…we need to get the abandonded, blighted shells of buildings filled up and get some pedestrian activity before we will ever get any decent development. Show up and support business folks. The NIMBYs have options….Reston, Fairfax, Vienna, etc.

  • Trueblue

    I don’t see how those are “exaggerated claims”…

    1. “T Street will never be the same again”. That’s true.
    2. “320 more people”. Mostly true.
    3. “More cars taking more spaces”. True.
    4. “Early morning closing times”. True.
    5. “Live DJs, Special Events, etc..” All true.

    I would also be concerned if I lived on that block. Keep in mind that this is not on 14th Street, but on a residential section of T Street. Their concerns are valid.

    • ArchyLeach

      You forgot the half dozen or so exclamation marks.

      Anyhoo that all kinda describes the neighborhood as it was before the riots gutted it for 38 years. It’s just returning to life. Anyone not see that coming and unable to deal? Also not residential. Zoned for mixed, residential and commercial. So, this sort of thing requires cool heads and reaching a balance. I’m not counting on the author of this flyer to exactly fit the bill.

    • Marcus Aurelius

      Agreed that there are valid concerns. But most people could care less whether a new business has a negative impact on anyone else, as long as they are not impacted. I’ll wager that none of the “why don’t you move to Reston NIMBY” crowd lives on this block. So why should they care if someone else’s quality of life is negatively impacted? As long as they have a new hip place to go to.
      If someone was going to open a restaurant on my block with outdoor seating for 56, I’d be worried too.

      • ArchyLeach

        <<conveniently ignores number of comments on this page from people living on the block, some in the bldg right next to the space, who are open to the proposed use. lalalalafingersinears.

        • Marcus Aurelius

          Really? By my count there is one comment that is identifiably from someone living on the block – the person who lives next door who is open to the development but has some concerns about noise. There is one comment from someone who lives “by” the site who has no concerns.
          Living in the same neighborhood as a proposed development is not the same as living on the same block. At the end of the day, it won’t affect me in the slightest because I live in Park View. But I certainly don’t begrudge the people most likely to be affected from voicing a negative (or positive) opinion.

          • ArchyLeach

            Really. CAHBF, Neighbor, T Street Neighbor, Katie, T Res, and add me. And they sell reading glasses and calculators at the Rite Aid at 13th and U.

          • OP

            Don’t forget the OP! How do you think I got the flyer to begin with?

          • Anonymous

            If this opened in Park View only you would be complaining! some people don’t know how good they have it!

      • Anonymous

        You’re right; I’m not concerned that someone who chose to live next to a zoned commercial strip might be bothered by commerical enterprises.

        Trust me… the folks on T who are bothered can easily sell their places and move to a quieter (zoned residential for blocks around) and cheaper part of the city.

        Why don’t they move? Oh yea… they like the convenience of walking to restaurants…

        • Anonymous

          To clarify, my response is to Marcus A.

    • Anonymous

      Your points are all idiotic.

      1. “T Street will never be the same again”.
      A1)That’s true. Revitalized not dead!
      2. “320 more people”. Mostly true.
      A2)320 people who are already in the area (or will these be 320 totally new people who have never come here before?) spending money and paying taxes and eating brunch – GASP!
      3. “More cars taking more spaces”. True.
      A3)Again will these 320 totally new people all suddenly drive to eat food at their local restaurant? NO!
      4. “Early morning closing times”. True.
      A4)No different from any other business in the city including immediately next door and catercorner…
      5. “Live DJs, Special Events, etc..” All true.
      A5)I’ve personally witnessed the evil and hurtful malicious pain that DJs and special events have caused all around the world and I can’t not agree enough, this is WRONG. Will NATO help? Does anyone care about the children???????

  • Sara

    I live in the green building and while I love the concept and idea of what they want to do here, I do worry about the noise levels late at night when I’m trying to sleep. Having a venue with a band that is literally attached to our building is a bit worrisome. That being said, I don’t own it so would just move if it became a problem.

    • T res

      I live right by it too. All restaurants play music. It is completely ridiculous to automatically raise the panic alarm thinking that music inside a building will be at a level that buildings all around will hear. We don’t hear anything out of Policy or any of the surrounding bars, restaurants. We hear some people on the streets sometimes…but really? You want peace and quiet…good luck trying to live in any neighborhood. Noise travels up the buildings…even regular conversations.

  • Anon

    Live DJ’s what? I’ll be there on opening day to find out which of the DJ’s possessions will be featured.

  • T res

    The ANC’s have become useless because a few within each have taken it to mean they can micromanage developers and business owners to serve, play, build, etc. exactly what that individual feels is appropriate for them and only them with no regard to the community at large. We’ve all read or heard about the extremes that some of these individuals have caused; i.e. Hanks and we’ve all been negatively affected by their actions from delays in building, higher costs to developers, legal fees, and decreased property values for homeowners near these buildings sitting vacant rather than used. The statements in the flyer are completely exagerated. I will definitely be in attendance to voice my support for a business with a solid plan and experience to fill a fine spot in my hood.

  • ArchyLeach

    Actually it’s a commercial bldg so it’s allowed to be used as a bistro, you know, kind of like a couple thousand bistros next to apartment bldgs in NYC. And it doesn’t face a second res bldg. I’m looking at it right now, and it faces the side of Room & Board furniture store.

    • Anonymous

      you sound charming.

      • ArchyLeach

        Your approval is my life’s mission.

        • Anonymous

          smooooth talker.

          • ArchyLeach

            Shaved it just for you.

  • Anonymous

    These are the same assholes who pushed away other businesses, some of them existing because they “didn’t want to subject their guests to these types of sites” (This was a real comment about the old Paradise Liquors that was at the corner because of the bulletproof glass. How long has that space sat vacant because of these yuppie fucks for running this guy out of the neighborhood?

    Fuck you neighbors! I hope it is something nice and fucks you all. I’ve got my parking.

  • Mony
  • j

    live dj? valet parking? special events? count me in!

  • snob

    Not a real convincing response from the developer. And the “I chose to live in the city” comment isn’t going to help him much with the neighbors.

    • ArchyLeach

      Why do people keep referring to restauranteurs as “developers”? Property and real estate developers buy properties and develop them, for use as anything a lessor might put in there. Restauranteurs build and open restaurants. Restauranteurs. Developers. Two diff things.

      • Anonymous

        this seems very important to you.

  • boring old person

    it really saddens me that so many youth just equate city living with partying.
    and that if you don’t party, you should move to the suburbs.

    and that many choose to add insults into the mix as well. it really is possible to disagree without being rude.

    • Anon

      If you dont like adding insults into the mix, you should just move out to the suburbs, you hillbilly!

    • Anonymous

      Bistro = debauched party? What have I been missing?

  • Will

    It’s about 100 feet from the corner of 14th and T. So if it were actually on the corner it would be OK?

    The concerns are valid but if both sides are reasonable this project should happen. I don’t have a ton of sympathy for people who move to within one block of one of the major streets in DC (and even 20 years ago this growth was being projected).

  • victoria

    Remember the dozens of posts on this site about noisy neighbors blasting music at all hours, unruly loud porch parties, crap shooting, vicious dogs barking etc.? All those intractable problems in RESIDENTIAL neighborhoods?

    The owner of a restaurant/bar has lots more motivation to keep good relationships with the neighbors and will generally be more responsive and reasonable.

  • RDDC

    Okay people.

    1. we live in a city
    -noise is everywhere, shall we ask the police to keep their sirens quiet, the garbage men not to do their work, the street cleaners not to clean the streets, the young and old people alike not to generate income for retailers and restauranteurs?

    2.These restaurants are coming here because of the success of others, rent in the corridor is far from cheap and for the most part excludes the more amateur of operations

    3.I live above a restaurant and across from a club and have a communal roof deck on top of me…non of which is ideal…including people burning my patio furniture with cigarettes…However, I can bike to meetings and take the metro pretty much anywhere I want…I can walk to music, restaurants, libraries etc, I will take that trade any day..

    4.There are risk controls such as VAs in place so that restauranteurs need to be responsible. Both bus boys have performances and are at the base of residential buildings…why is the expectation that this operator will be any less of a good neighbor

    5.If you lived in the burbs there is no or limited ANC, or neighborhood committee to speak up for the residents at large…why do you think you have vast ugly shopping centers and roads that are clogged to the hilt…be grateful your voice can be heard and please, please try to tempter your voices with reason and compassion that yours is not the only voice, whether you live next door or 1000 miles away, in the neighborhood for 4 days or forty years…

    6. There are many “residential only” sections of the city, and the people that live there would “kill” to have a restaurant…be happy, try to relax, be heard, but respect others coming to our community that want to be part of the vibrant city…Washington, District of Columbia


  • Anonymous

    I don’t live down in that area, up the hill a bit. And, generally I’m a big proponent of new development, especially restaurants, bars, bistros etc. And, I do think this flyer is over the top. Personally, I’d love it if Cafe Saint Ex was at the corner on my block.

    BUT… BUT, I think I would be opposed to anything proposing a DJ, Special Events etc. under the guise of a Bistro. There are way too many places in DC where a dance club with all the attendant drinking, alley urinating, late night yelling, double parking SUV bullshit is slipped in under the guise of a “BISTRO”.

    You’d never hear me opposing Room 11, Wonderland, Meridian Pint (all close to my house) type places (and maybe all of those include DJ and special events in their permit and perhaps I’m a lazy asshat for not checking). But, I think a place that is going to have a DJ, dancing, club type events could be a problem.

    • Anonymous

      To me, as a professional DJ, this statement says more about the person making it than the business of DJing or nightlife in general. You don’t even know which establishments have a DJ and which don’t. Not a convincing argument against DJs if you ask me…

      99% of the time when people associate DJs with some vague negative threat what they are talking about is trashy people behaving trashy after leaving a trashy bar, not the DJ or music or dancing. Alcohol and bad parenting are to blame there, not the DJ.

      get it straight.

    • Anon

      It sounds like the nightlife at the PO Bistro will be very much like Wonderland’s, complete with the DJs, dancing, club type events, AND outdoor seating where people can essentially get drunk in public.

      By your own admission, this type of establishment does not cause much of a disturbance to you. You make a good case for why the Bistro doesn’t deserve all this fear and loathing.

  • Maddox Riley

    I looked into the facts surrounding the proposal for the Old Post Office on T Street, NW. The small building is adjacent to The Nolando, a multi-unit condominium with windows looking over the Post Office. The street is lined with row houses, a couple of condos, and some apartment buildings. The small Post Office building has no rear access for trash service or deliveries. For years, the Old Post Office was used by Ruff and Ready, a daytime, retail antique and used stuff shop. Examining the context of this proposal, it’s not surprising that there’s concern about the change in use from daytime retail to a 320-person capacity, late night entertainment destination on a quiet residential street.

    • ArchyLeach

      A lot of us have looked into the facts too. It’s not surprising there is concern. That’s what a voluntary agreement is for. What IS surprising to many, including many neighbors, is the over-the-top flyer, and by the spouse of the ANC commissioner no less. You seem to emphasize the type of business, and the type of street. All of this sounds very subjective, and lacking legal or regulatory relevancy. If you look into the facts surrounding the zoning of this place, there is nothing, nothing, that any city agency can do to say it cannot become a restaurant. If the residents wanted to make sure it never became a restaurant (or, as the Maddox/Blair intones, a “nightlife destination”), then why didn’t anyone ever simply use the last many years the place was a furniture store to line up a zoning change, once the place changed hands?

      Some neighbors have legit concerns. That’s what VAs are for. But the ANC commish and his spouse don’t get to determine what kind of business goes into a residential space.

      • ArchyLeach

        That’s supposed to be: what kind of biz goes into a commercial space.

  • RDDC

    It is not a quiet retail street, it is five doors from the busiest night time destiantions in DC….people we are not talking Chevy Chase circle we are talking 14th and U! It likes moving to Gallery Place and being angry that Clydes serves beer

  • Mat Starr

    Funny and alarming how the posts (which may be from one or two people trying to look like many) denigrate and attack those expressing a point of view that they don’t share. The responses, with repetitive sniping, are really a bore.


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