“Local family decides to skip Christmas presents – instead they will drive a truck to Standing Rock”

via youcaring

“Dear PoPville,

Friends of mine have decided to skip Christmas presents this year and instead are raising money to buy a truck to donate to Standing Rock Medic & Healing center. The family will spend Christmas driving it out there to support the water protectors.”

The fundraising page says:

“We are a family of 4 living in Alexandria VA. My wife and I live in a suburban community with children in high school. This winter we plan to drive a pickup truck up to the Standing Rock Medic and Healer Council and donate it to the cause. This fundraiser will supply the funds to purchase the truck, snow tires, supplies and other things needed to complete this endeavor.

The protesters will continue their resistance throughout the winter. Now is the time to help. A 4WD truck is at the top of their list of needs.

100% of all the funds raised will be spent on the acquisition of the vehicle and getting it ready with snow tires, block heater and other tasks to winterize it. Any excess funds will be used for supplies and equipment already on their donation list or given directly to the Standing Rock Medic and Healer Council.

Once our fundraising goals are met we will provide updates on this page as to our progress.

Thank you.”

115 Comment

  • Why aren’t you sending them money to buy the truck? This avoids deducting the costs of gas, tolls and all of your expenses, which will be considerable.

    • Would probably also be cheaper to buy outside of an expensive urban area.
      But then their teenagers wouldn’t get the experience for their college apps, so…

    • Yeah, I don’t want to crap on people doing something good, but this seems like an unnecessarily expensive way to do it just so they can be the heroes who ride up in the truck.

      • We’re not interested in that. We’re going up, handing off the truck and getting out of their way.

        • Have you thought about who gets the title? What about registration? Did you know about the extra taxes because it’s an out of state vehicle? And that access to the site is blocked?

    • Expenses which presumably would include 4 flights home . . .
      Agree with wdc – this seems like an endeavor to have others pay for (i) an experience for the family, and (ii) beefing up high-school kids’ college applications. Also, “This fundraiser will supply the funds to purchase the truck, snow tires, supplies and other things needed to complete this endeavor” – and yet, they’re asking for $15,000? I may be overly cynical, but this seems to me to be at best a vanity project or perhaps even a scam.
      Finally, not to quibble, but the fundraising page says nothing about skipping Christmas.

      • No flights home. We are taking out our family car as well, so we will be driving home in that after handing over the truck.

        The $15,000 goal is just that. I didn’t want to put a cap on people generosity.

        I will be posting receipts of all expenses as they are incurred.

        Not vanity. Just regular family taking some action.

        • Please buy the truck there and donate whatever the difference to the cause. No need to drive the truck across the country. If CNN hasn’t cared about DAPL at this point, your needless exercise in polluting our environment won’t help either.

          • justinbc

            Although I’m very familiar with the cause I’m not an expert on North and South Dakota’s auto sales industry, but I’m guessing things like decked out trucks are a bit more expensive. I’m all for giving people shit over some indulgent back-patting, but this family is doing more to “help” the cause than any of our Facebook posting or hand-wringing, so maybe cut them some slack just because your cynicism doesn’t align with their idealism. Also, who cares if it “looks good” for their kids if it’s going to a good cause? Those two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

          • I don’t mean to discourage action in favor of this cause – I just don’t think this particular stunt would be particularly gainful as stated without serious media connections. And I don’t have time for FB handwringing (I agree it’s useless). I speak with my $$$ as I don’t have time to donate.

          • To Anon 5:25 – you do realize you just spent more time posting here that you don’t have time to donate than it would take to actually donate? To any cause – not even this one.

          • It’s hard to donate time from my metro commute home, you know? Besides, not sure anyone could do much with the 30 seconds it took me to post.

          • Misread your comment Victoria. I am donating, just not to this family trip. 🙂

          • justinbc

            @victoria, Anon is saying s/he doesn’t have time, the resource, not time, the effort, to donate. So s/he donates with money instead. Relax.

          • I could buy a vehicle on the road, but at that point I’d have limited options to properly check it out or make any additional repairs required. Even if the dealer offered a warranty I’d be on no position to take advantage of it. By purchasing it locally I will have the opportunity to drive it for a few weeks, plus the drive up, as an extended test drive. The last thing I want to do is hand over some random vehicle and hope it doesn’t break down right away.

            Buying one on the road will require multiple test drives of different vehicles and a pre-purchase inspection or two. If I was by myself that might be fine, but that doesn’t really factor into the schedule with the family along.

            I also have two local independent repair shops that I trust andhave lines of credit with. They can perform multipoint inspections and fix any issues without having time constraints of our travel schedule. I just can’t in good conciseness turn over an untested vehicle to people who probably don’t have time or resources the deal with car problems. They are medics and healers, not mechanics.

            I need time to put an engine block heater in it and change the antifreeze mixture for Dakota winter. I need to change over to snow tires. Maybe I can put a Bluetooth enabled radio in it. I don’t know exactly what it will need, but any 10 year old truck will have something that needs fixing or setting right. Maybe there’s a light out behind the dash. What if there’s a little oil seepage that requires a valve cover gasket change?

      • HaileUnlikely

        dcd – I don’t really disagree with you, and I’m not going to donate either, but I personally would put this in basically the same boat as a school attempting to raise funds for a high school class trip or send the debate team to nationals or endow a scholarship fund for a scholarship that will almost certainly go to a privileged elite who doesn’t need it; i.e., not going to give, but not going to condemn either.

        • You’re probably right.

        • ” basically the same boat as a school attempting to raise funds for a high school class trip or send the debate team to nationals”
          Or the GW students (tuition $50,000) panhandling outside the metro to fund their spring break trip to build houses for Habitat for Humanity in Central America.

          • HaileUnlikely

            That is probably about the best analogy I can think of actually.
            That said, it is quite possible that some individuals at high-priced universities are not themselves wealthy – I attended a nominally very expensive university despite my family’s total income being well under half of the sticker price (didn’t do any spring break trips though – wasn’t smart enough to think of getting others to donate to me to pay for my spring break).

    • Yes, we could just give them money, but without the family story I don’t think I could raise it. This is our family project. We are doing this!

  • Noble cause for sure – how do you know when donating that seriously, ALL the money will go to the cause and what they promise will be what’s delivered (should they raise the necessary funds) when it’s private individuals vs a registered nonprofit or something like that? There is zero info on the page about who these people are or how they will prove the money is spent correctly (besides ‘we’ll post updates when we reach our fundraising goal’). Not trying to tear this amazing effort down, I’m just genuinely curious how this works with these crowdfunding pages. I know they attempt to screen out fraudulent fundraisers, but once a campaign is funded and has received the money, where is the accountability?

    • I will be posting full accountability on the fundraiser site. Yes, it’s very easy to create this as a scam. But crowdfunding works by word of mouth. Just like my friend who posted this here. I’m working this through social media and referral of friends of friends. You have every right to be skeptical of an operation like this. However, this is real and we will make it happen.

    • *facepalm* I didn’t even think deep enough to get to the irony of DRIVING this thing out there.

      • Its not about just the pipeline. The Medic and Healer Council is asking for 4WD vehicles. We are answering their need.

  • Now that my kids are grown up a bit we’re going to make a clean break from the ‘coming down stairs on Christmas morning to a pile of presents’ thing. I’ve been suggesting for a few years now that we could use the money we spend on presents and start taking trips over the winter holidays. We could see relatives, go on skip trips or anything. This year, Sedge is now 14 and only wants money for shoes. That clears the hurdle and lets us leave Santa Clause behind and move forward as a family.

    The whole family is on board with going somewhere. But where? Being socially conscious people we are drawn to events unfolding in North Dakota. We’re in for trip up to help out in some way. We can even bring up supplies that they need. After scanning the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe’s donation webpages it became clear that they have a need for 4WD trucks to get around. It’s easy to give money, or send supplies that are easily shipped. But a truck is something else. It’ll need to be driven up. That’s where we come in. Magali is now 17 and can help with the driving. We’ll take up the truck and our own car. After dropping off the truck we’ll continue on in the family car.

    I asked around to my friends that are already working for the effort. My niece, Jessie Dowling, has already sent truckloads of supplies. Both she and Christian Relief Services’ Paul Krizek suggested the Standing Rock Medic and Healer Council as a good group to work with. They have a desperate need for 4WD vehicles as they need to get around in the snow to provide medical services all over the reservation. I’ve been in contact with them and am organizing the details for handing off the truck to them.

    We have the motivation, energy and time to make this happen. All we’re need at this point is the truck. I started a crowdfunding web page to collect donations. Less than two weeks remain for us to raise the necessary funds to buy and winterize a pickup truck.

    • Why don’t you drive just your car out there, buy the truck near the site, and deliver it? It would probably be less expensive and won’t waste gas unnecessarily. Other than contributing your time, what exactly are you sacrificing for this project? It seems like you’re asking people to hand over their money and then you get to take a fun family trip. If this is really about the truck and being helpful, there are more effective, less expensive, and less self-congratulatory ways to do this.

      • This. Please don’t needlessly polite our air. Thanks for understanding.

      • I find that wasting gas and the personal environment impact needs to be considered here – it is kind of weird to be conducting your fundraiser for this purpose without being totally conscious of what your trip is also implying. Drive your own car and purchase closer to the site. Do not buy from ACE hardware as they are no longer selling supplies to protestors (even to those white folks who have turned this into their own burning man and taking supplies from those who are really trying to impact this situation). I would just donate the money – don’t make this about your own story and personal gratification.

      • Because we’d be at a disadvantage to properly vet the vehicle. Getting it locally allows me the time for pre-purchase inspection and any fix ups required on a 10 to 15 year old vehicle. Plus we’re planning on taking out local donations from our community.

  • For most of my life cars have been a utilitarian practicality for me. My first cars were always hand-me-downs or budget buys. Even when I was a pizza delivery guy, I never cared much about it other than the stereo and ‘will it start’. Now that I’m over fifty and my kids are reaching driving age, the cars in my life have taken on more importance.

    I grew up in a family that cared about cars. I remember my oldest brother’s first car, in the 70’s, was a 50’s Mercedes Benz sedan that he spent hours on keeping it running. Recently, he just got finished reconditioning his ’63 Jag and still loves his ’71 BMW 2800CS. My other brother taught me how to change and bleed brakes, deal with an overheating radiator and other things like that. (He taught me how to play the ponies at Calder, too – but that’s another story.) Brother-in-law Bob opened his own car repair shop and I hung out there a lot. He’s semi-retired now, but his son is now running the company.

    When I moved to DC in the early 90’s I took to biking everywhere and went without a car for about 6 years. It wasn’t until I got married that I got a car again. It was another hand-me-down from my parents. At that point we gave my wife’s car to a friend that had had theirs stolen. When we started having kids we got concerned about safety and that has led to a series of Subarus over the last 18 years. The car that was given to us by my parents, we gave to another friend who was needing one to get her career on track. It was a big deal for her as she drove it for another 15 years.

    Having what I presume to be my mid-life crisis, I started to care more about what I’m driving. They say you should always dress for the job you want, not the job you have. I extended that to include what I drive. Since I wanted to move to a more managerial type position than my engineer job was, I found a pre-owned BMW in great condition. My ride at the time was a Subaru wagon with over 150,000 miles with some big repair bills looming. At the same time my daughter became ready to drive. No way am I letting her use my car, so I found a 1999 Corolla with a manual transmission in good repair. I’ve had fun fixing it up for her, improving its cosmetics and installed an updated sound system. As it happens, I have a niece who is also approaching driving age and I’ve taken on the tasks of getting her car ready as well. She has the benefit of having a 1997 Toyota RAV4 in the family that, while beat up a bit, still runs great.

    So I’ve joined ranks of the car nuts in my family. But there’s more — I’m now getting ready to buy another vehicle. This one’s not for me, however. There’s a need not being met for 4WD trucks at the Standing Rock pipeline opposition in North Dakota. The Standing Rock Medic and Healers Council (SRMHC) desperately need vehicles that can get around in in wintertime. They are the first responders on site at the reservation and there are thousands of people from all over camping out this winter. Even without the protest babies will be born and people will fall ill. SRMHC needs this kind of vehicle to reach their people in need.

    We have the motivation, energy and time to make this happen. All we’re need at this point is the truck. I started a crowdfunding web page to collect donations. Donations have dropped off over Thanksgiving, but I hope to see more in the time we have left. Just two weeks remain for us to raise the necessary funds to buy and winterize a pickup truck.

    • I’m not sure what this diatribe is supposed to accomplish.

    • don’t let the naysayers of the sad popville commentariat get you down. good luck with the fundraiser and the effort to get out there and deliver supplies. be careful as they are now trying to stop deliveries of goods to the water protectors.

      • Prince Of Petworth

        anon you are also the popville commentariat.

        • Touche. I guess.
          I’ve seen this guy’s post on other social media and it seems genuine and I’m down with the cause. It’s just kind of discouraging to read the comments from some other popvillers who are all too ready and eager to belittle or tear down an idea down without knowing much about it beyond what they read here. Given that the organizer of the campaign is obviously reading and responding to the posts, I thought I would let him know not everyone thinks his plan is ridiculous. I’ll refrain from calling your commentariat sad, or anything else, in the future.

          • I read the fundraising site, and the organizer’s numerous posts. What more should I read? What more have you read that suggests to you that this is a worthy endeavor, such that I should help fund this “family project,” as the organizer himself describes it?

  • All I can think of is how much gas they’ll use getting the truck out there (kind of ironic when they’re trying to stop an oil pipeline) . Why not raise funds and send it directly? If they want their kids to experience something firsthand, they can bring them to the Anacostia Rivershed cleanup or something local that doesn’t require a long-distance travel “volunteer vacation”.

    • Yes, there’s the irony of using gas in a pipeline fight. However, this is a humanitarian mission. The Standing Rock Medic and Healer Council needs 4WD vehicles. We have the energy, motivation and time to do that. All we’re lacking is the funds.

      • That sounds great, but there’s no rational reason to drive a truck across the country. They have trucks aplenty in the Dakotas.

      • energy, motivation, and time do not equal a plan. this is what YOU want to do, not what would be most effective for the cause. whoever said this is a vanity project was right. i’m sure you’ll raise the money because there are a lot of people who have good intentions, but i’m reminded of the proverb “a fool and his money are soon parted.”

    • justinbc

      All I can think of is a bunch of people telling other people how best to save the world. One is trying, the other is belittling. And people wonder why Democrats get mocked.

      • And what exactly are you doing to save the world? I’m pretty sure everyone wants to see their efforts and donations go to optimal effect. So please tell us specifically what you, as an individual, are doing.

      • No one is telling anyone how best to save the world. But hopefully, few are giving up to abject cynicism as you are, dividing all efforts for reform into “trying” or “belittling” or “mocking.” One is suggesting a particular cause that they feel strongly about and are willing to work for, and another is suggesting people who don’t feel drawn to that particular cause find another cause and donate their time and money there.

        So sorry you choose to construct a gloomy and negative life for yourself.

        • Pretty ironic, given Victoria’s track record of posting negative and cynical comments on PoPville.

        • If you read his comment above, Justin is one of the few people who isn’t trashing this idea. Not sure why you are flaming one of the only allies you have . . .

        • justinbc

          You missed the point of my post in basically every way possible. It’s no wonder you and your friend are having trouble drumming up support, you’re overly defensive even to those who are actually on your side.

  • yes, let’s protest an oil pipeline by using gas to unnecessarily drive half way across the country and then fly back. i’ll be hosting a BBQ to raise $$ for PETA this weekend.

    • It’s more than an oil pipeline protest.

      No fly back. We’re taking two cars out — one back.

      • So the fact that you’re using 4800 miles worth of gasoline is supposed to be significantly better than using 1600 miles worth of gasoline and 1600 miles worth of jet fuel?

  • Buy the truck in North Dakota, save the effort of winterizing by getting one that is ready for local conditions.

    • +1
      Drive to Minneapolis, buy the truck and supplies there. EVERYTHING will be less expensive, making the crowdfunders’ money go further. You still get the road trip, but you conserve funds and fuel.
      You seem to be ignoring the very pertinent critiques of your potential funders, so it sounds like you want them to buy you an experience, and the truck is just a cover story.

      • “You seem to be ignoring the very pertinent critiques of your potential funders, so it sounds like you want them to buy you an experience, and the truck is just a cover story.”
        This, exactly. Despite 10 separate posts (as of this writing), the organizer hasn’t addressed this point. (Not to mention, a truck purchased in Minneapolis likely already would be winterized.)

        • because i can do a better job buying locally. I can take more time with test drives. I can get pre-purchase inspections. I can then fix up anything required to make it the best it can possibly be. I’m not going to hand over any crappy old truck I found on the way up. This is a labor of love. I’m going to fill it full of supplies before we leave. I’m going to have it blessed by the local Indian community. This is how I roll.

          • I admittedly don’t know a lot about winterized 4WD vehicles, but after deducting the costs of the supplies to fill the truck, snow tires, etc., I’m guessing that you’ll have about $13,000 to pay for the truck (including taxes, tags and registration). Not sure how many vehicles will fit both your requirements and the price range (a quick search of CarMax within 500 miles yields one 9 year old Honda Ridgeline in Newark for $15,097, and 123k miles, and that’s it).

  • what kind of truck are you buying and how are the expenses broken out, what happens to the money that isn’t used or is the target of $15k accurate? Reviewing the site, I was left with a lot of questions and concerns.

    It does sound like an opportunity for others to pay for a family trip. “And for that reason, I’m out.”

  • I sent this in. These are my friends. I warned them people here could be mean. And I totally had some of the same questions when they first announced the project – like why not just buy the truck there etc. But then I realized: 1. They are working very hard to do something necessary and good while I’m not doing shit, and probably, neither are you.

    Engaging your whole family in a project, demonstrating the power of the individual to make a real difference is important. Sorry some of you are so shallow to think it is all about building up a college application. That is just sad. They are into experiences. They could have taken a ski trip or gone to Costa Rica. They are paying their own expenses for the family trip aspect of this. (Also, the kids are cool enough to ace any college essay without this. This family was co-founder of our 20+ years annual “Burning Man East” arts/theater/weirdness camping week for 125 people on Assateauge Island.)

    Is there some irony about using gas to drive a truck to a pipeline protest – of course. Just like there is irony in feeling noble about eating tofu when it probably has about the same environmental impact (acknowledging there are dozens of conflicting studies) as chicken.

    But remember that in charitable giving, the “story” is a huge factor. The kitten rescued from Metro tracks will have 100 requests for adoption, while 100 other kittens with no story go un-adopted. If someone posted a routine request for donations for Standing Rock, you would probably not even read the email.

    So give to this cause if your heart says to give. Or give to another cause if your heart steers you otherwise. Just do something to help make the world a better place.

    • “This family was co-founder of our 20+ years annual “Burning Man East” arts/theater/weirdness camping week for 125 people on Assateauge Island.”
      So, they have a history of creating air pollution!


      • These are the exact people I’m talking about in my post above. Please don’t do this.

        • And why do you want to make this truck even more used when you give it to them?!?

          • Right, you’re going to buy a beater, put 1600 miles of wear and tear on it, and then leave it someplace where they very likely don’t have access to parts or labor? Just donate the money. You know how the Red Cross doesn’t ask for supplies after a disaster, just money? Same thing here.

            Not to mention that buying the truck and supplies locally (at least as locally as you can) to Standing Rock helps the economy. Which is one of the very best things you can do in Indian country.

        • This was a joke about pot, but never mind.

      • Seriously? Are you failing at attempted humor or just downright daft? We don’t actually burn anything more than a nightly campfire, but if you honestly think burning a straw man once a year is a significant factor in global warning, than you are way beyond any logical thought.

        • Apparently, failing at attempted humor. It was a pot joke (which would have been apparent if the smiley faces didn’t all look like rectangles, Dan!). Are you saying that there’s no weed at Burning Man?

          • WAIT, WHAT?!? Who wants my Burning Man 2017 ticket now that it’s useless?
            ps. Use ascii characters to make smileys – the imbedded software will automatically convert them to images when possible. 🙂

          • “Use ascii characters” – I’ll be honest, I don’t even know what that means.

        • Oh, I’m guessing you’re burning *something* 😉

    • HaileUnlikely

      Thanks for the perspective, and you raise many fair points (specifically regarding many of the detractors not doing sh!t). Personally I’m not planning to donate to this effort, and honestly, as a boring guy from a boring family I am unfortunately completely unable to relate to being “into experiences.” I agree with others that from the standpoint of using resources most efficiently to provide assistance to the people at Standing Rock, this probably ain’t it, but I get that that isn’t the whole point, and that is ok.

    • “This family was co-founder of our 20+ years annual “Burning Man East” arts/theater/weirdness camping week for 125 people on Assateauge Island”

      of COURSE they were. http://www.papermag.com/white-people-are-reportedly-treating-the-nodapl-protests-like-burning–2118455614.html

      • OK, sorry – in calling it “Burning Man East” I thought people would just associate it as a big fun gathering – not some kind of cultural appropriation or whatever your link goes to. It’s 125 people, old friends & family, camping out for 1-2 weeks every year on Assateague – for 25 years now – with a big circus tent, lots of fun & creative stuff.

        • penguins9966

          Except that the Standing Rock Pipeline Protest isn’t a “big fun gathering” where “lots of fun & creative stuff” is happening. It’s an extreme socal injustice happening to a people who are historically taken advantage of. These are two very different things.

          • (In her defense, this was brought up to support the notion that their kids don’t need this experience to write successful college entrance essays.)

          • penguins9966

            Fair enough. Just probably not the best analogy and subsequent “clarification” for this particular topic, as some people are actually treating this as Burning Man.

          • I agree – not the best tidbit to mention given the “party protester” stories going around.

          • Sigh – I know people don’t read things closely – but please give it at least a try.

          • penguins9966

            Yes, cause directly quoting you isn’t “reading things closely.” Enjoy your trip.

      • For what it’s worth… the Paper article had a link to another Paper item, “Seven Things You Can Do To Help the Dakota Access Pipeline Protesters”: http://www.papermag.com/how-to-support-nodapl-protestors-2072880726.html
        It lists a few different options for donating, as well as contact information for lobbying various authorities.

  • I like the idea. Agree with anon before me, let’s be positive folks, people are risking their lives the to protect their water source. They have to get there some how. I support this family and it would be good to try to get some media around this not for you all but for the cause. Very little of what is going on is even being covered by local news. I can pitch it to a few outlets to see if there is any pick up.

  • penguins9966

    This was a fantastic read through the comments…this seems like a crowd sourced family road trip in the name of a very serious issue. If you seriously want to help, instead of this, there are several great organizations that are accepting donations in the form of PayPal/Amazon Wishlists. HuffPost has a great breakdown of everything if interested (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_583480c9e4b000af95eca013)

    Don’t want to bash the OP too much, as I have no doubt that they are genuine and actually mean well, it just seems like donations could be better spent elsewhere…

    • https://medichealercouncil.com/donate/

      The Standing Rock Medic. and Healer Council is in need of 4wd vehicles. They are specifically asking for them.

      • penguins9966

        I’m aware of that. The point of my post was to alert folks of different options who want to help in any way they can but perhaps don’t necessarily feel that your trip is right for them (no offense this includes myself) I simply feel that donating directly to the source seems like a better use of MY money. Again, I’m definitely not disputing your heart or intentions, more so your overall blueprint.

        • Agreed. If this whole exercise is just a ploy to bring attention to the needs of the Medic Healer Council, then you’ve done a wonderful job doing so – well done on that front.

    • The Standing Rock Medic. and Healer Council is in need of 4wd vehicles. They are specifically asking for them.


      • They’re specifically asking for “4WD medic vehicles,” according to the page you link. Have you checked with them to make sure that what you’re proposing — a 4WD pickup truck — will meet their needs? (Would a “medic vehicle” need to be able to transport sick patients?)
        I admire your earnestness and enthusiasm, but I’m not clear that this is the best use of your resources.

        • Yes. I am in contact with them.

        • Thanks for your comment. In further discussions with the Council we’ve decided to focus on a people mover: a Chevy Suburban or such. They need to be able to move people more than gear at this point. Like what happened when the freezing water incident.

          • Thanks for the update. Glad to know you’re in communication with the Council on how you can get them something that will meet their needs.

  • DieKunst

    It makes more sense to donate the money to the council so they could pool their cash resources to buy a better vehicle(s) themselves. I get the wanting to be involved part but personally I would never approach a charitable idea this way. I do really hope the weather does not present an issue for your drive, that was actually my first concern when I read this.

    • Thanks for your concern about our travels and the weather. The Council is very pleased with our plan. They have even suggested that they could supplement my funds if I found the perfect vehicle but was coming up short. I have no intention of taking them up on that.

  • Are you going to make it there before they try to shut down the camp on the 4th? The Feds, authorities will turn you away – it says on the website that these donations need to be made before the 4th. Again, please reconsider just donating through the website – your trip is going to end up useless – please read more about the actual situation before you go.

    • We’re not going to the camp. The Standing Rock Medic and Healer Council is on the reservation, not the disputed land.

  • If we aren’t supposed to move petroleum products by pipeline, what is the safer method of transporting these products that people would prefer?

  • Wonderful. I think your plan is good, generous and full of holiday spirit. I wish you a safe trip. My daughter is there, having driven her suv with food supplies from Seattle. She says it’s bitterly cold, and if you can see some of the drone videos on f/b they show the distances between the camps, and the snow on the ground. She trucked in food and is volunteering as a cook, and another friend drove in medical supplies. If possible, you’ll need down sleeping bags, as much down outer wear as you can afford, and of course boots, hats, gloves. I think smart to buy truck here — she says some of the town folks not so supportive, and she was challenged on her way in from Bismarck. Be safe, and God speed.

  • I’ll bite. I think it’s laudable to teach your kids about civic responsibility and activism on issues they care about. Good on you. However, I share the opinions of the commentariat that advocate giving money over taking an experience for yourself from this public policy discussion.
    You’re spending half a ton of carbon emissions one way or another no matter how you slice this trip to allow your family to help fight a fight that is about shutting in oil….for the purposes of stopping carbon emissions that exacerbate climate change. You’re locking in future emissions by purchasing a lovely gasoline burning truck for many years of service thereby quite literally inducing demand for the oil pipeline that is allegedly unnecessary and evil.
    So you dont want to ameliorate climAte change becUse your creating more demand for oil and you don’t want to stop oil pipelines cutting thru the aRea for the same reason. Presumably the only reason you want to do this is to “help” the protestors with more oil guzzling appliances which prove the case against at them. Folks here aren’t being mean they’re explaining math. There isn’t a logical outcome where a truck driven from DC is a net positive for any of the professed protester goals to stop the pipeline as unnessary or prevent fossil fuel use et.

    • This!
      However, I don’t think their plan is based logic, but emotion, so you can’t actual reason with them.

    • The protest is about clean water and tribal rights not climate change

    • Thanks for your thoughts. This is not about climate or fossil fuel use, however. This is venture is humanitarian in nature (not that global warming isn’t). After consideration of many of the points raised here, we will be adding a carbon offset component to our trip.

  • After reading some of the comments from the family, my view has relaxed slightly. While not the ideal strategy,, there are still some good parts to the goal, so I wish luck to the family.

    *Road trip to Standing Rock > ski trip to Vail
    *Teaching kids to be socially responsible and active > no understanding of current events or their impact
    *Ending Christmas consumerism > a pile of video games or Kardashian videos
    *Family time together > kids on their iphones all day while parents cook the xmas turkey
    *Funds going to vehicle > Funds paying for family vacation

    I applaud you for trying to teach your kids some good values and I hope this will make them great citizens in the future. I also appreciate that you’ve responded to most of the objections in this thread. I would also suggest that you ask your kids to estimate the carbon offset needed to cover the road trip. And a pros and cons list of making the drive. I just think you should also teach them to think critically, and perhaps even come up with additional ideas you can implement to offset the carbon usage. (eat local foods, use reusable containers with no plastic, etc). Might add a layer of fun and if the kids come up with the ideas, they learn so much more than just driving to a destination.
    good luck!

    • Thank you for your consideration. Yes, we will be discussing many thing while on the road together. Maybe we’ll do something along the lines of planting trees along the way as a carbon offset.

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