Outdoor Seating Coming to Slash Run – Leave the Kids at Home After 8

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201 Upshur Street, NW

Sweet! The placard posted at Slash Run says:

“Applicant requested a new Sidewalk Café with Seating for 18 patrons.”

And take note, the sign on the door says:

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I’m voting this is reasonable though as a parent of little ones I’ll admit keeping them seated at all times is often aspirational for us…

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Upshur Street looking towards the Old Soldiers Home

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  • But dogs are allowed, right?

  • I think that the keeping the kids seated at all times should not be aspirational, but a solid rule at all times. When ours were little, we would leave instantly if they tried to get up. It is just unsafe. On the other hand, I think that 9 would be a more appropriate cutoff, as most elementary school kids don’t even get picked up from school until around 6.

    • Tsar of Truxton

      I don’t have kids, but 8 seemed a little on the early side to me as well. Also, does it mean don’t show up after 8 with kids or don’t show up if you can’t be done with dinner by 8 (which would really make it more like no kids after 7)? I tend to think it is the former, so if you show up at 7:50, you could end up being there until close to 9 with your kids. At that point, they should be getting to bed anyway, no?

  • Also, I am very turned off by the language, “leave the kids at home.” It implies that everyone has the ability to do that. Most do not. Babysitters are expensive and hard to find, and you certainly can’t leave them at home alone. Just saying “no kids after 8 o’clock” would be far less offensive.

    • Maybe you’re too easily offended.

    • Wait . . . “please leave the lil ones at home after 8 pm” is offensive, but “no kids after 8 o’clock” isn’t?
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      Huh.
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      I think this demonstrates that no matter how hard any business tries, every decision is going to irritate someone. At some point, they just have stop trying to cater to the most delicate sensibilities amongst us. This is that point for Slash Run.

      • Yup. I did expect people to be peeved about the request, but picking on the language is a bit much.

        • I’ve been trying to come up with the social justice warrior term for this complaint, and failing miserably. Babysitterist?

          • you guys are the ones being nit-picky, it sounds to me like he is just offended at what’s being implied – leave your lil ones at home after 8. not everyone can do that. I can see how please, no kids after 8pm would go over a lot more smoothly. example- when bars close they don’t say, go home and go to bed. usually they say, last call, you don’t have to go home but you have to get the heck out of here… the offense comes from being told how to manage not bringing your kids in. as in, maybe he just wants options for what to do with the kids past 8 rather than a condescending “leave the lil ones at home” …. geez you folks are touchy.

          • You say “the offense comes from being told how to manage not bringing your kids in” and I’M the one being nit-picky? OK.
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            I feel like this should be a sticky comment on many of these threads, but Sgt. Hulka really said it best in Stripes: “Lighten up, Francis.”

          • “leave your lil ones at home after 8. not everyone can do that.” If you can’t… go to another restaurant, or stay home.

          • I can leave mine at home. I’m sticking up for those who can’t who might be slightly offended at being told how to manage not bringing their kids in. they could choose to not bring their kids in through a number of ways, including but not limited to: hiring a babysitter, bringing them to a friends house, having relatives watch them, bringing them to a drop and go playspace, etc. and so on.

          • “I’m sticking up for those who can’t who might be slightly offended at being told how to manage not bringing their kids in.”
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            Dear lord, someone you don’t know might be slightly offended? To the barricades! Good grief.
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            As posted below, by countless people, this is obviously just a politer way of saying, “No Kids.” If you’re reading it as a direction from the bar/restaurant manager on how to parent, you have a real problem with context, and daily life must be intolerable. I’m bowing out of this discussion.

          • So I am generally one of those parents who can’t just leave the kids home. I am not offended in the slightest about this. First off, generally speaking, if we are going to go to dinner, we are done by 8. In my eleven years of parenting, I have learned that kids are like gremlins. I personally prefer to have mine at home and on their way to bed rather than risk a tantrum, unruly behavior, and other things that have a tendency to occur in children.
            For people who are offended by something like this, I encourage you to just not go. It’s really not a big deal to disagree with a business practice and just chose to not patronize a business as a result. There are far, far more important things in this city and this world to get up in arms about.

          • anonamom, I agree, just sticking up for anon at 7:38 and trying to show the other side of the coin. hate seeing someone get jumped on without trying to see the other person’s perspective.

          • Interpreting this as Slash Run telling parents “how to parent” is a huge stretch.
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            If you actually think Slash Run is telling you how to parent and resent that, maybe it’s because the shoe fits. And/or because you feel like you’ve been hard done by, and are seeking to be offended — to find/perceive offense where no reasonable person would.

          • duh textdoc. I already said I was sticking up for anon at 7:38 who writes “Also, I am very turned off by the language, “leave the kids at home.” It implies that everyone has the ability to do that. Most do not. Babysitters are expensive and hard to find, and you certainly can’t leave them at home alone. Just saying “no kids after 8 o’clock” would be far less offensive.” I am trying to find/perceive offense where no reasonable person would, to understand where anon is coming from, and to present that to all the people who jumped so quickly to blast what he wrote. you know, trying to illuminate the issue.

    • Offensive? Really? Maybe you should stick to Chuck-e-Cheese like establishments

      • your comment reads like something promoting apartheid for parents and non-parents. get real.

        • At least you get it. Don’t bring your kids to a bar no matter how hip of a parent you think it makes you.

          • for all you people saying slash run is a bar and kids shouldn’t be in bars anyway… slash run is NOT just a bar. on their own facebook page they promote themselves first as a Burger Restaurant, then a Bar & Grill. https://www.facebook.com/slashrun
            … TGIF and Applebee’s are restaurant/bar&grill establishments. are you really saying parents shouldn’t take their kids there?! LOLOLOL LMAO.

          • justinbc

            They definitely should not, those places are terrible.

          • +1 justinbc, I agree, they are terrible. but that’s why parents like to bring their kids to slash run the restaurant/bar & grill, where the food is leaps and bounds better.

        • Hahaha! Apartheid?? Talk about hyperbole!

    • Conpletely understand your situation but would suggest if you can’t leave your children safely at home then you shouldn’t frequent bars.

      • +100 to this.

        • why can’t you bring your kids to the bar at 7:45 in the summer- when it’s still light out? plus, this is slash run, widely known for it’s burgers and laid backness. it’s not like he’s trying to take his kids to some adams morgan nightclub. get real.

          • Because parenting requires trade-offs, and if you want to go to a bar that doesn’t welcome kids (or doesn’t welcome them past a certain time) enough to complain, then that trade off is either finding someone to watch your kids or going earlier in the evening. (Personally, I would never *want* to bring a kid to a bar — but that’s solely my personal preference.)

          • FridayGirl, I wouldn’t bring my kids to a bar either. But I think the issue is more that slash run isn’t really a bar, it’s a restaurant. I mean, they can do whatever they like and make up whatever rules they want about who to serve and when (as long as it’s not a discriminatory policy), but all I am saying, is that 8pm seems a bit early for the summer to cut all kids off (teenagers even?). Everyone’s entitled to their opinion.

          • I understand you now. (And I doubt that “lil ones” would include preteens or teenagers since they generally resist the urge to leap up from tables and run around — but again, I guess it’s all in the interpretation.)

      • Slashrun is more of a restaurant by day, bar by night.

        • And Slash/Run itself is defining “night” as after 8pm. They get to do that since it’s, you know, their business.

          • not saying they can’t Q. only saying that most people refer to night as when the sun is no longer shining. not here to argue.

          • actually, no not really. the city issues certain types of business licenses and usually establishments selling alcohol sign neighborhood agreements. so no, you don’t get to make completely arbitrary rules. you agreed to provide certain services to customers in exchange for the right to be a business. i dont know what those are specifically for this business, but they dont get to make up their own rules. thats what abra and dcra are for.

    • You sound like you really need to get out and have a good time…without the kids.

    • justinbc

      Have the dogs that are banned from the other bars watch the kids.

    • I see it’s going to be one of *those* days in the PoPville playhouse.

    • I’m outraged by your outrage! Seriously, lighten up.

    • hammers

      it’s a cheerful way to welcome you sans kiddos.

    • If you can’t afford a babysitter plus a $10-15 burger (and tip) then either:

      a) one adult gets takeout and the other stays home with the kids
      b) hire a babysitter and go to McDonald’s
      c) trade off nights with another friend with kids
      d) figure something else out.

      This is not a hospital or some other place you can’t avoid going. If it doesn’t work for you, don’t go to Slash Run.

  • But dogs after 8:00 are cool, right.

  • Slash, and Twisted Horn both ask that parents leave their kids at home after x hours. Given that they are in Petworth ,a fairly residential/family area, I don’t understand their logic in excluding a portion of their clientele. Businesses can do whatever they want, but I’d be interested to hear why the owners don’t want kids around. Its not like these are crazy bars blasting loud music – they are largely local restaurants.

    • hammers

      because many parents allow their kids at this restaurant to run around and scream for hours, and you can’t ban only inconsiderate or overwhelmed parents.

      • +1

      • @hammers. Yep, As the parent of a two-year old, I have no problem whatsoever with this policy. If you want to take kids, get ’em there early and then get out. Moreover, if we ever have a date night sans kid (lol so rare), I can be happy knowing I won’t have to deal with kids.

      • “and you can’t ban only inconsiderate or overwhelmed parents”
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        I realize it would be a PR nightmare for a restaurant to do this, and it’s much easier to have a blanket policy, but I would absolutely support an establishment that takes a hard line with misbehaving kids and their overwhelmed or inconsiderate parents. Maybe it’s because I have too many memories of frantically packing up and leaving, to-go box in hand, when my kid either couldn’t or wouldn’t behave, but I have virtually no tolerance for this – probably less than most of the childless.* If the parents are trying, I certainly cut them some slack, but if they aren’t, I would stand and applaud a restaurant manager who told them to control their offspring or please come back another time.
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        *It is unreasonable to expect kids to sit like my dowager aunt at a restaurant. The occasional yelp or squirm is to be expected, fine, and even cute. However, constant yelling, running around, and generally disrupting the experience of others shouldn’t be tolerated.

        • I think a lot of people would support it. That is, until they were on the blunt end of the manager’s arbitrary ‘you have to leave now’ policy. The less discretion required the better, because American customers believe they are always right.

      • saf

        Not just at this restaurant.

    • Why? Because they’re Slash Run and Twisted Horn, not Bob Evans. I’ve been to Slash Run on more than one occasion when the music got quite loud and people were getting a little loud, too. Probably not the ideal atmosphere for your small children.

      • +1. Twisted Horn can get very loud, particularly towards the back of the establishment where sound echos. Not a good environment for kiddos, IMHO.

        • justinbc

          The same people upset by this are probably outraged when people, at a bar, start swearing profusely around their little angel’s ears.

          • not so much worried if you want to swear. My little snow-flake needs to learn to live in a society composed of people of different ages and interests. Much like the little millenials crying on here that they can see a reminder of their adulthood while sitting at a faux-metal bar.

          • Yup. I remember parents of young kids getting angry when they were at a college football/basketball game and the (possibly drunk) kids around them were swearing and standing up in front of their kids. You came to a college, what exactly do you expect?

      • thats my call to make. If I take my kid out, who is 3.5, yes she is required to stay in her seat. But I also know that we are gonna be around people who drink, maybe they swear etc. But I don’t control the public, I do control my kid. I think its a bit heavy handed for Slash run to tell me to get my kid home at 8pm.

        • They’re not telling you to get your kid home, they’re just telling you that they’re not welcome at their bar. Which is 100% their call to make.

          • justinbc

            Yep, you can absolutely go to all of the other open businesses in the area without this rule once your time is up here.

          • No, they actually ARE telling you to have your kid at home after 8. Hence the comment above about the language used in the note. they don’t say “no kids welcome past 8” – they say, “…leave the lil ones AT HOME after 8pm.” people need to READ better.

          • i think this rule is for more than just the bar. Sounds like I cant sit outside at 8pm with my kid. Its summer time folks, the kids are up late.

          • They’re telling you to leave your kid at home IF YOU ARE GOING TO THEIR BAR. It’s pretty obvious what they mean if you think about it for even a millisecond. People just need to get offended over everything.

          • Dear CHGal, I’m not getting offended over it, I’m pointing out the FACTS of what was written. What is said and/or written can obviously be different from what is MEANT, but if you don’t want to get in trouble or offend people, then WRITE or SAY it that way. People shouldn’t have to go, oh, I see what they mean… trust me that in a court of law this actually matters.

          • I went to Wonderland last week and they had a sign up that said “No Draft Beer.” Now, I like draft beer but was I upset that draft beer no longer existed? No, I was not, because as a logical human being, I realized the sign meant that just their bar did not have any draft beer even though they did not specifically state so. It’s generally accepted that a sign on a business’s door is giving the rules for what is to happen in their establishment, not in the world as a whole.

          • +1 to CHGal.

          • CHGal, no one is arguing that fact. When ‘say what’ comments “I think this rule is for more than just the bar. Sounds like I cant sit outside at 8pm with my kid. Its summer time folks, the kids are up late.” he is referring to sitting outside at the SLASH RUN patio at 8pm with his kid, you know, enjoying the establishment… you should apply your own logic to the response you gave him at 12:06pm. Facepalm.

          • I agree, all written words should be taken literally. On a related note, someone here is misrepresenting himself as a Cubist artist who has been dead for over 40 years. I am outraged by this attempted identity theft. I shouldn’t have to use my common sense to discern what this poster actually means. Will it matter in a court of law?
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            Am I being ridiculous? Yes I am. Hmm . . .

          • Hahaha.
            +1 to CHGal and dcd.

          • dcd, who is saying all written words should be taken literally? I certainly am not. I only am saying, here is what slash run wrote. However, you’re trying to enter a whole other realm of argument, to which, I must say, I am far less inclined to join.

          • you guys are obviously arguing something different. everyone acknowledges that they are saying ‘leave the lil ones at home after 8pm’ – the argument is whether it refers to just the bar, or the whole establishment. say what writes at 11:43 it sounds like ‘more than just the bar’ then at 12:06 CHGal jumps on her and says “it’s pretty obvious what they mean is you think about it for even a millisecond. People just need to get offended over everything.” – thinking that say what is claiming the slash run language makes it sound like she can’t take her kids anywhere, ever, outside of the home after 8pm. to which I say, CHGal, you are being ridiculous in your interpretation of what is being discussed.

          • Except I was replying to picasso.

          • Except that CHGal you are a silly nilly. why would you reply to me that “they are telling you to leave your kid at home IF YOU ARE GOING TO THEIR BAR.” I get that. I never once wrote anything contrary to that, actually everything I have written is in support of that statement. show me where I didn’t… ohhhh, right.

          • HaileUnlikely

            picasso – In this context it does not make a shred of difference if they wrote it in such a way as to inadvertently say that you have to leave your kids at home after 8 regardless of whether you were going to their business. The mechanism by which Slash Run can compel you to leave your kid at home instead of, say, taking your kid with you to McDonalds fairly obviously does not exist, and they fairly obviously are not making any attempt at doing so. If you want to criticize a restaurant owner for not writing on par with an English professor, knock yourself out, but your claim that they are attempting to compel you to keep your kid at home and not take them *anywhere else* after 8 is utter nonsense.

          • +1 Haile, and CHGal. This is an attempt to be a little politer than “no kids after 8.” That’s it. Picasso, I’m not even sure what point you’re trying to make at this juncture.

          • the only point I was making is what they wrote “leave the lil ones at home”. and that was why anon at 7:38 might have been offended… because of the language they used. I think we can all agree that there wouldn’t even be an argument to make if what was written was, “small children not welcome after 8pm. or something of the like.” and, CHGal begins her argument saying, they’re not telling you to get your kid HOME… but the word they actually used was… AT HOME. Sorry I’m right guys.

          • “everyone acknowledges that they are saying ‘leave the lil ones at home after 8pm’ – the argument is whether it refers to just the bar, or the whole establishment.”
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            Is there actually any argument about this? The posting with the photo says that the sign is on the door. It applies to the whole establishment.

        • And as long as you “make that call” somewhere other than Slash Run after 8pm, everyone’s good.

        • Their business, their call. I would not want to be a costumer and/or parent at slash run after 8 with a toddler throwing tantrums all over the place. If you want to go to the bar, why not go earlier? What sort of bed time do toddlers have nowadays that 8pm is too early?

    • Twisted Horn is a cocktail bar with snacks, not a restaurant. And there are plenty of us “residents” of Petworth who are childfree and enjoy having a night out with friends/spouse in which we don’t have to censor our discussions our language due to little children in the audience. The last time I was at Twisted Horn I had a great time talking to some friends about some misadventures in dating. Wouldn’t have had that conversation freely with children in earshot.

      • saf

        “Wouldn’t have had that conversation freely with children in earshot.”

        In a diner? Maybe not. In a bar? Why not? It’s a bar. It’s a place for adults. Adult conversation should be no issue.

        • Because I am not responsible for the sex education of other people’s children? I don’t have the same conversation at a barbecue with little kids running around as a I do at a bar at 9 pm.

          • saf

            Guess I was thinking about the “in a bar” part. If they bring kids to my bar, said kids get to hear bar conversations. So it goes.

        • Agreed. Eva is not the one in an inappropriate place for her age. I wouldn’t censor my conversations.

  • This is a fair request by the establishment, especially one that serves alcohol. For the record I have a little one

  • I don’t blame them. I went there for brunch one time and it was a zoo. There were kids running all over the place, screaming, taking up empty tables, and when the families left the place was trashed. Food all over the floor, paper strewn about. I felt so bad for the server who was left to clean up the mess…cleaning up a kids mess was always one of my least favorite things about serving.

    • hammers

      I’ve been there a handful of times, and EVERY time kids are running circles (literally) around the joint. I think Slash Run is reacting to many parents taking advantage of their kid-friendly restaurant as an indoor kiddie playground.

    • saf

      I’ve been for dinner once. Same thing – kids running all over, screaming, slamming into me at the bar, nobody asking them to behave, or even to keep their voices down.
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      Loved the food and the beer list, but haven’t been back, as it was like eating at the playground.

  • I love Slash Run, one of my favorite bars in the city. What’s wrong with asking to leave kids at home after 8? It’s an 80’s hair metal themed whiskey bar, probably not the best place to take your kids that late anyways.

    • My daughter’s two current favorite songs are Crazy Train and We’re Not Gonna Take It – she’d love the tunes there. I’ve held off letting her try bourbon, though. Either way, while I dislike others offering unsolicited and ill-informed parenting tips, this is a business, and they have every right to set this policy if they want. From an economic standpoint, it makes perfect sense – patrons who drink have much higher tabs than those who don’t.

      • justinbc

        I had my first beer when I was 4 or 5, I remember hating it a lot.

        • My sister first tried scotch at 2–my grandfather let her have a sip and figured she wouldn’t like it. The adults laughed when she went back for a second sip. My mom and grandmother stopped it when she tried for a third….

          • A doctor of my acquaintance says that it’s not uncommon for people to show up at the ER with a drunk toddler. Some little kids love the taste of beer and are super sneaky about getting it.

        • I used to ask my Grandmother for a sip of her beer, and then drink the whole thing. Though she drank it from little juice glasses, but I was only 4 or 5…. and down it went. Genesee Cream Ale, which I would have a whole lot more of in college.

  • This policy strikes a nice balance. People are going to be upset regardless when it comes to policies like this, but personally it makes it more likely for me to go there. I like kids, I babysit my very young niece and nephew frequently to help out, but I am of the opinion that at a certain point in the evening, a bar just isn’t an appropriate place for them to be running around. It’s not fair to them and its not fair to the other patrons.

    • I mean….this subject isn’t really worth an argument. However, the establishment is obviously trying to have it both ways. They want families to come in and provide business – but then want them out so people who aren’t interested in being around kids want to come to their establishment as a bar. 8 pm is not exactly “late” to where it’s inappropriate for kids to be around. Most bars that actually become inappropriate for children are empty at 8 pm. It just seems a bit immature to put a “curfew” on basically people under 21. (people letting their kids ACT inappropriate is a whole other subject and has nothing to do with time of day).

      • I don’t see any problem with them “having it both ways.” There are times its appropriate to bring children somewhere and there are times its not. I’m guessing this policy came about for a reason, as generally these types of policies attract bad publicity for the restaurant. I think 8 could be considered a bit early, and maybe 9 would be better, but I definitely don’t consider it immature. Also, I’m assuming alcohol purchases are a part of this decision, it seems to be a matter of younger children, and the overall atmospheric effect of so many of them being there late. Personally, we eat by 7 when my niece and nephew are with me, and if we go out, by 8 they are monsters and behave poorly. But, I understand people with tweens who have after school activities so I think 9 may be more appropriate.

        • And, FWIW, I generally think the reaction of parents to these types of policies can be pretty immature.

  • A couple years ago a sushi restaurant in the Del Ray section of Alexandria caused a modest media brouhaha, and perhaps enhanced business, by instituting an 18+ policy.

  • Good. This isn’t daycare.

    • I know right, you move to the city to live in these hip fun neighborhoods and some people just ruin your post-college playground by having kids around. Gosh, it must make you want to move back to the suburbs sometimes.

      • Stereotype much? Can’t speak for Anon, but I did not grow up in the suburbs and am in well over 40 and I think it’s completely appropriate for a bar to say children aren’t allowed at a certain time (or at all for that matter).

      • justinbc

        If you stick around long enough those people having kids are statistically going to be the ones moving back out to the suburbs once they’re old enough to go to school, especially if they don’t get into one of the few good schools they wanted.

      • I don’t get this snark at all. I see it the other way: you have kids in these hip, urban neighborhoods and are offended that a popular bar you want to go to doesn’t let you drag your kids there after a certain hour. Looks like you should move out to the land of Shoney’s and Olive Garden.

      • I grew up in the city of Chicago in a drinking German family. I was in countless bars as a child but always out well before sundown. At latest we’d go for an early dinner (6 pm) and that was it. I was taught that bars in the latter part of the evening are for adults. Sorry to not fit into your half baked stereotype.

      • Really? We live in the neighborhood with two kids and I’m now MORE likely to go to Slash Run with this policy enacted. The last thing I want to deal with on a rare evening out is dealing with someone else’s overtired, hungry kid. We enjoy taking our kids out, but not after 8, unless it’s a special occasion (and we’ve prepped them ahead of time)

        • Well, precisely. Bars are often places parents go to relieve stress from their kids. They shouldn’t have to deal with someone else’s kids.

      • Except it’s not just “having kids around.” Anyone who has ever been to Slash Run in the past would know that it has somehow managed to attract some of the worst behaved children in the area. Or worst parents, perhaps.

      • Haha, you’re so off in your assessment that it comes off a little pathetic.

  • It’s a goddamn whiskey bar that happens to serve food, not a Gymboree. Sun’s down? Kids out.

    • Maybe it’s a whiskey bar late at night, but it’s a ghost town the rest of the time. Maybe they should have opened in a different neighborhood if the clientele isn’t working for them.

      • Ghost town?? Last time I went there was on a Monday night, when burgers are half-price, and it was packed. (Partly as a result, the service was very poor.)

    • Agreed but sun isn’t down at 8pm in the summer.

      • Tough luck. Maybe they applied the average sundown for the year?
        The night is dark and full of terrors. At least that’s what I tell to the parents who have kids in a bar at night.
        Here’s another thought exercise: would you take your kid to Solly’s? If anything, Slash Run is a mix of Solly’s and the music policy of Codmother.

        • it IS dark and full of terrors! No, I wouldn’t take my kids to Solly’s. Also, I only take them to Slash Run for lunch in the day, although maybe we’ll try an early evening soon. In any event, just saying… 8pm seems early. They of course have every right to implement that policy.

        • BTW, does solly’s have a kids menu too? Slash Run has an awesome one.

    • +1, It is Slash Run’s choice and I respect it. Quit your whining over an hour or two. Go home and drink a beer on your porch.

      • I’m not contesting their/SRs choice. I’m just saying that Anonymous at 9:29 writes” It’s a goddamn whiskey bar that happens to serve food, not a Gymboree. Sun’s down? Kids out.” I agreed with him! All I said was, Agreed, but sun isn’t down at 8pm in the summer. It’s just a FACT. There are summer days where the sun doesn’t go down until after 8pm. If you guys can’t agree on that, you’re in denial. Because like I said, it’s just a FACT! Sorry for pointing out flaws in the 9:29 comment. But then again, when you see something… say something. 🙂

  • does anyone else want slash run to be better than it is? i love their beer selection – the bar aspect is great, but i’ve been like three times and the food has never been better than okay.

    • I’ve been a bunch of times and thought the food was great every time. I’m sure you can definitely find a better burger somewhere in DC but if Slash Run is the best burger we get in Petworth then I’m delighted.

      • justinbc

        Do they only serve burgers? That’s the only food I’ve ever heard anyone mention from this place.

        • No, they serve other stuff but I’ve only had the burgers. And I get the impression that burgers are the centerpiece of their food menu. People I’ve been there with have gotten other items and as far as I know thought they good too.

        • They have other sandwiches too – ahi-tuna, portobello, chicken (used to have pork schnitzel sandwiches too but they replaced them with chicken).

        • jim_ed

          The tuna is excellent in addition to the really good burgers.

    • Maybe because first and foremost it’s a bar, not a restaurant?
      It sounds like that’s the point of confusion for much of the neighborhood.
      .
      Related tangent: All Purpose in Shaw is a fantastic family-friendly restaurant. I’d highly recommend it to anyone with kids.

      • they have a pretty large food menu. at the very least, it’s a bar-restaurant hybrid, but you can’t say that the focus isn’t also on food.

    • the Tuna burgers are always on point – beer selection is great, and the whiskey is even better (they do advertise as a whiskey bar)

    • When they opened I was upset hear they only offered mornings star brand for vegetarian burgers…. wish they made the tiniest bit of effort here. Does anyone know if this is still the case?

      • You are upset that they only offer one type of vegetarian burgers? The world really has changed.

        • I’m not even close to being a vegetarian, and I wouldn’t expect them to offer more than one kind of veggie sandwich. But I would expect them to serve something a little better than Morningstar–which is readily available in every grocery store, and is by far the worst brand of the lot.

      • is this satirical?

    • It’s hit or miss. Sometimes the food is pretty good, sometimes you wonder if they have ever cooked a burger before. I went on a Sunday Night with my family for my birthday and it was a bad experience, food and service wise.

    • The burgers are okay. But I hate the waffle fries. Maybe hate is too strong of a word. I would prefer regular cut fries.

  • I take my daughter to GAP Child Development Center that is almost next door, and one day I will stop in to grab a bite. I think the 8pm rule makes sense. BTW… If you are looking for a daycare, check GAP out. My daughter is thriving there.

  • Slash Run, the most overpriced dive in the city. It’s not even the only game in town.

    • I wouldn’t really consider it a dive, and it really isn’t overpriced at all. Beers and whiskeys are pretty competitively priced.

      • samanda_bynes

        for $20 bucks (w/tip) you can get a tall boy, shot of overholt, and a BBQ burger. what’s not to like?

  • What do they mean by little ones? Does it mean anyone under 21 after 8 pm? I think it makes sense as a policy and my kids have definitely been some of the rambunctious ones there (not running around but being loud and messy), so I get that they want little kids out at a certain time. I guess I just think of it so much as a restaurant/bar (i.e. not just a bar) that it seems weird to kick out people coming with older, well-behaved kids until 9 or so. For the record, we clean up what we can, tip well, and never stay long when our kids are being rambunctious. Also, I think their sign would be better received if it wasn’t in that terrible font.

  • Slash Run has been my favorite kid-friendly restaurant in Petworth (though now there is more competition) and will continue to be so. They offer a $5 kid menu that comes with delicious homemade apple sauce and carrot sticks that my 3 year old loves. When we take our family out for dinner, its always sometime between 5:30 and 7:30 because of bedtime anyway and Slash Run is packed with kids whenever we are there at that time. This policy doesn’t impact us at all, and seems reasonable so they can transition from the family crowd in the early evening to the bar crowd afterwards.

    • My 13 year old sometimes has evening activities until 7 or 730pm. On (rare) occasions we go out to eat afterwards. Guess it’ll be a quick meal if we go back to Slash Run.

      • Slim’s Diner.

      • justinbc

        I get the feeling that 8PM is more of a “we might not seat you after that point” more than an “ALL MUST GO” cutoff. Kind of like how “last call” at bars is 2am, but in most places you can still hang around til 3 while they clean up, count tills, etc.

        • +1 same. If you’re waiting on food, they aren’t going to kick you out at 8:01.

        • +1 to this. I read the sign more as a “don’t show up after 8 with your kids” rather than a “get your kids out of here by 8”.

  • The most offensive thing about this sign is the font. Seriously Slash Run? This is worse than Comic Sans (yes, I’m looking at you, Drawing Room).

    • I’m with you there! It would also help if they could fix the exterior from looking like some bunker!

  • This seems totally reasonable, and I am someone who generally supports kids in bars during the afternoon/early evening hours. (I am surprised that people would bring kids to Twisted Horn.) But, some spaces should be reserved for grown-ups after a certain time of day. I think that Slash strikes the right neighborhood balance of having a kid’s menu and good food/booze for the parents, and then reserving the space for adults after a reasonable hour.
    __
    I’ve been in bars (not Slash) where there was a ~10 yo with her head on the table because it was 10:30 pm and she was exhausted, but her mom was still having a good time. Or another bar where people brought an infant at 10:00 pm when the bar was hot and loud. Felt bad for the kids, and thought that the bars should have told the parents to take the kids home.

    • +1 to all of this.

    • Infants are actually great to go out to bars with, at that stage they mostly sleep through anything and you just have to have a bottle to feed them. Before they are the toddlers that people complain are running around and making big messes.

  • Sometimes we need to walk around with our little one, probably won’t be going back. Burger quality was marginal anyhow, made sense when they were half off. Good luck.

    • Totally agree with you. I thought the food sucked when we went for brunch. We also had to walk around with our kid, too, because she is in the won’t sit in a highchair for longer than 10 minutes phase (which is basically like any toddler and if you argue otherwise than you obviously don’t have children).

      • And of course, all kids are just like yours. There couldn’t possibly be any variation out there.

      • Are you kidding me nadachance?? I agree that many, many toddlers go through a squirmy phase. But I can’t believe that you think that’s a reason for you to treat a restaurant like a public park. That’s when you stay home and work on table manners. The disconnect here is startling.

        • Are YOU kidding ME wdc? How is saying he/she walks around with her toddler the same as treating a restaurant like a public park? This is a totally reasonable thing for parents to do at a restaurant. Walking around a restaurant is not disruptive. Maybe you need to go to fancier restaurants that don’t offer kids menus.

  • PLEASE INSTITUTE THIS POLICY AT LITTLE COCO’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I wrote a long post about kids and manners and acceptable public behavior for kids AND parents, and then I deleted it because no one wants to hear that it takes consistent work and sacrifice (like not going to restaurants when you have a kid who’s too young/ too tired/ too wound up to behave) to raise kids who don’t inspire policies like this.

    • I do! Please recreate it. 🙂

        • There was some bragging about having successfully taught my kids, through consistent enforcement, that restaurants are for eating and socializing, and that socializing requires eye contact and that eating takes place while seated at a table. With your napkin in your lap. These are the rules, and they are sacrosanct.

          • justinbc

            Were your kids raised in the pre-ADD era? Because I don’t think I’ve seen a kid sit still at a table in about a decade.

          • My kids are in elementary school. One has ADHD, and restaurants are hard for her, especially dinner when she’s extra jittery. I bring a tiny notebook and special fine-point pens for when she starts to lose focus, and she draws itty bitty cartoons. It’s more fun when it’s small, I guess.
            I only have a few inviolable rules, and they are almost all about courtesy and respect.

          • I’d agree with wdc, it is about consistency. My kids are far from perfect, and this is why I would generally go to places like Pot Belly or &pizza with them versus restaurants like Slash. It stresses me out when they misbehave and disrupt others, so it’s a far from pleasurable experience. We have made progress though, and I can take them to restaurants with about a 90-10 success rate. But I’m not even going to try to lie, I will stick a phone in a kids face to shut them up if I have to. I’ll go ahead and take that judgment versus having my little terror annoying me and every one else in a place.
            Also, please, please, please clean up after your kids people! It is never ok to just leave stuff on the floor and trash all over. If you have a spill, clean it up and let your server know, don’t just walk out!

    • “it takes consistent work and sacrifice (like not going to restaurants when you have a kid who’s too young/ too tired/ too wound up to behave) to raise kids who don’t inspire policies like this.”
      .
      YES thank you!!!

    • O Wise One, you’re welcome to come on over and teach my child with autism how to behave properly. In the meantime, I will continue to take my child in public, much to the behest of people like you who think I’m a bad parent because my child needs to get up and do a few jumping jacks now and then or cries because he heard a glass break.

      • I think (I would hope) this is a bit different. I spent 3 years working with children with autism and many of them are actually lovely most of the time, and parents of these children work very, very hard to come up with solutions and coping strategies so that they *can* do normal things. I get that, and I applaud you for continuing to bring your child with you. I assumed (and would hope) that both wdc and slash run were thinking of the kids whose parents who simply fail to supervise their children, period (which can have great safety risks in a small restaurant with hot food/drinks/etc.)

        • I hope so too. But all too often, it looks the same to the ignorant eye. Regardless, places that create blanket rules like this send a message loud and clear to parents like me. If they and their customers have a problem with kids and their occasional bouts of kid-like behavior, Lord knows what they think of children who have special needs.

          • I want to be compassionate, because I know it’s hard (it’s really hard). But jumping jacks is just about the most disruptive thing I can think of do to in a small public place, short of full-on running and screeching (which, despite the assertions of others here, I doubt really happens much.) You have to be wildly self-absorbed, on the level of people who answer their cell phone during the symphony, not to realize that.

          • I’m certain that my 35# child takes up less space doing a jumping jack than your average childless hipster ass-sitting. See you at the bar, we’ll be the wildly self-absorbed people doing jumping jacks and possibly singing “Uptown Girl.”

          • justinbc

            If every posted rule included all the possible disclaimers not to trigger every potential customer they would wind up being so long that nobody would bother to read them.

          • I agree, Justin. But it appears that no one needs to bother, as some people consider themselves exempt from rules, but also entitled to take offense at them.

      • saf

        First, this “much to the behest of people like you ” is nonsense.
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        Second, any reason he/she can’t go outside to do those jumping jacks, then come back to the table? No. That would improve things.

        • Thanks for the advice to march my kid outside to do something that causes less harm than an offensive t-shirt. Taking it to heart as I type.

          • Clearly you have never worked in a restaurant. Imagine a server with a cup of hot coffee was looking the other way, having no clue of course, that someone would be JUMPING UP AND DOWN at a restaurant. This is just bad parenting.

            It is also incredibly rude and distracting to other guests.

  • Hmm, I think a better/fairer approach would be to just have a general policy where kids (or adults) who are disruptive to other diners should be removed. I don’t have children (nor do I wish for any) but this policy assumes all kids/parents will be disruptive – which is not true. I’ve experienced on way too many occasions in certain DC restaurants annoying/disruptive/uncivilized behavior, mainly from adult douchesters (with a high percentage aged 20 something to 30 something). It would be nice to have restaurants enforce a “no bad behavior” policy – that would be a lot better for the restaurants…and humanity.

    • Thats pretty arbitrary though. I think my brother and sister in law allow their children to behave horrifically. But they see it as, they’re kids and kids are messy and they cry and throw tantrums over silly things and they need to run around. Who would be in charge of determining what behavior is acceptable and what isn’t? Any employee? Also, when an adult has had too much to drink and is “behaving badly” they are generally removed.

  • Curious how many people commenting / arguing etc. have actually stepped foot into Slash Run.

  • couple of things – 1) the time should be 9pm not 8pm, since in the summer the sun is often still up at 730/8pm. as a working family with long hours, we often don’t sit down to eat dinner until 7:30pm, and I’d like to take my well-behaved kids to slash run at 7:30pm, order some burgers while it’s still light out, and be out of there by 8:45pm. 2) hooray for a patio! this is a great idea, well done slash run. 3) for all you people saying slash run is a bar and kids shouldn’t be in bars anyway… slash run is NOT just a bar. on their own facebook page they promote themselves first as a Burger Restaurant, then a Bar & Grill. https://www.facebook.com/slashrun

    • As JustinBC mentioned above, I didn’t interpret the sign as “get your kid out by 8.” I read it as “if you’re coming in here after 8, please don’t bring your child with you.” I’m sure if you went at 7:30 they wouldn’t have an issue with it, and I’m sure if you called and asked for clarification they’d be happy to do so.

  • It kind of leads to a small window for half-priced burger night on Mondays for families, since it doesn’t start until 7 in the restaurant and then kids need to leave by 8.

  • I don’t think it’s necessary to post a sign asking that kids be seated. That is the goal when you bring your kids out to eat. You don’t actually want them to run around. I have two kids and on occasion, they have run around restaurants. Only if the space is big, and it’s empty place or with very few people there, not when it’s crazy crowded or a small place. They’re kids! Sometimes they behave and stay occupied at the table, sometimes (especially towards the end of the meal) they want to run around. We also bring iPads to keep them occupied after they’ve eaten their food. No, kids shouldn’t be running around unsupervised and getting in the way of servers or breaking things. But sometimes a kid is going to run around a restaurant and it’s not the end of all enjoyment of every other person in the world, it’s just part of living in a society. You know, putting up with people who also exist, and this includes children.

    I have less an opinion on the 8 pm cut off. No way in hell I’m showing up for dinner any later than 6:30 with my kids. But others are on a different bed time schedule and maybe stay up until 9. Or (speaking from experience) maybe that family has just traveled and they are super jet lagged or something. Who knows. Parents sometimes need to get out of the house too!

    And usually parents are aware that they’ve made a mess or caused disturbance and tip accordingly.

    • “I don’t think it’s necessary to post a sign asking that kids be seated.” It SHOULDN’T be necessary… but it sounds as though Slash Run has had enough bad experiences with parents letting their kids run wild that it’s become necessary.

      • +1. And that’s sad.

        • It sounds like slash run should call out these patrons when it is occurring, not in a rude way, but in a very polite, “ma’am, sir, can you please ask your children to sit down? it would be really appreciated.” where’s the harm in that? seems like a nothing to lose and everything to gain approach. of course, this wouldn’t apply to the occasional get out of your seat and move around that toddlers so often require, but to the kids who are literally running circles around the inside of the establishment. I have to add, kids will do what they see other kids doing. to the patrons who have seen multiple kids and families misbehaving this way at slash run, I have to blame the management. if they would politely ask them to simmer down, I’m pretty sure they would follow suit or leave.

          • note: not just blame the management, also of course blame lies with the parents and the children. but being an enabler isn’t helpful.

          • Blaming the management is ridiculous. I bet a lot of parents of children who are running around the restaurant are in sufficient denial about their adorable little snowflake that it wouldn’t be enough for management to address it on just a case-by-case basis.

          • that’s possible, I just don’t know if they’ve ever tried to address it before. kudos to them for addressing it not, maybe it will help. from the responses on this thread, it sure does seem like it will.

          • *now instead of not

          • Also, I don’t know that it should be servers responsibility to deal with people whose kids misbehave. Have you heard some of the crap that people deal with when they politely ask someone to have common courtesy lately? Blech.

          • Because they probably *have* said, “ma’am/sir, could you please have your child sit down?” and gotten an earful back about how sometimes kids just run, or screech, or do jumping jacks because they’re kids and it’s not bothering anyone and how dare you tell me how to raise my kids??? I’m going to bet that they did this policy specifically because of those types of parents and decided that they’re at least going to stop dealing with it after 8pm.

          • maybe they could put up a sign similar to those they have at pools. behavior rules: no running, no jumping, no screaming, no throwing food. if you or a member of your party fails to comply you might kindly be asked to pay the bill and leave.

          • Servers typically don’t ask that of guests because there is such a mentality of ‘the customer is always right’. Correcting a guest like that jeopardizes a server’s tips and job. I work for a restaurant group and have seen guests write in requesting to have people fired over that stuff because they were so ‘offended’. It’s possible the restaurant has tried your approach and needed to move on to something else

    • Responding to kt at 12: 32 – There is so much wrong here. It is never permissible for a kid to just “run around” a restaurant. Full stop. What on earth are you talking about? “No, kids shouldn’t be running around unsupervised.” What does running around “supervised” look like? It’s OK for kids to run around someone’s business as long as they follow the 5-6 nebulous rules that you yourself lay out? If your kid continues to misbehave in ways that negatively impact the enjoyment of others you either make them stop or, sorry, you get up and leave. I can’t even wildly fathom letting my child just “run around” a restaurant. When I see it (and being honest, I rarely do, but since we’re talking about it) I always wonder “What the hell are their parents thinking?” Well, now I know. If you let your kid behave that way, and justify it to yourself based on your own made up criteria, you’re the one negatively impacting the enjoyment of others and the “society” you claim to honor.

      • I just want to second this. Running around in a restaurant is never ok. If you know your kids get bored at the end of a meal then eat faster, parent. There are plenty of places where it is socially acceptable for kids to be kids and run to their hearts content, but a restaurant is not one of them.

      • A parent will do what they need to do to prevent their child from having a meltdown in a restaurant. Sometimes that includes getting up from table for a few minutes. But there’s a difference between a kid running around like mad, grabbing stuff off of tables, throwing stuff, screaming, getting in the way of the wait staff, or whatever these kids are doing at this place, and a child who is getting restless walking to the front to look out the window (for example,) walking around the restaurant holding their parent’s hand (another example), sitting on a bar stool with a parent (another example), I don’t see a problem with those things if it keeps a kid from having a meltdown, particularly if the restaurant is not busy. And probably the other parent is shoving food down their throat as fast as possible so they can just get out of there.

        If anyone thinks that every child is going to stay seated for the duration of every meal out, you are either misinformed or judgmental and unforgiving about parenting.

        • No one thinks a kid doesnt need to move around on occasion. It’s parents that think they don’t need to get up too and take care of it that is bothering people. If the situation you described is how you handle it, I think we’re on the same page of how to deal with an upset kid.

    • It may not be the end of the world if your kid is running around, but the other patrons are paying money to sit and eat a meal out – not to have your kid possibly run into their table, knock things over or get in the way of the wait staff.

      I am super supportive of parents who are making an attempt to calm/control their kids. Whether it’s a crying baby or a kid throwing a tantrum because his french fries touched his chicken nugget. These things happen – it’s how you handle them that I think most people will judge on. It’s the parents who ignore/defend their kids bad behavior as though it’s just OK because they are kids.

      I was an energetic kid and my mom would either distract me or simply take me out of the restaurant if I wouldn’t sit and eat. I remember one time it was raining so she walked me over the to car and we sat in the car with the radio on for a few minutes until she felt I was calm enough to come back inside.

    • Then they shouldn’t be at a restaurant. I have a 10 year old that has never gotten up at a restaurant because he knows that the punishment would be severe, and that obviously we would leave instantly. Teach your kids to behave! It’s shocking how quickly they learn if you are clear and consistent.

      (Toddlers need to experience restaurants in limited amounts, for short times, when they are in the right mood, with instant leave policies in order to learn this by the time they are ready to sit.)

  • One clarification, Slash Run is requesting out door seating, it has not been approved. It needs to go through ABRA approval and the hearing is August 22. They are proposing table seating on the Upshur side (3 four person tables, 3 two person tables). They also are requesting to allow outdoor alcohol service until midnight.

    Note I am the ANC Commissioner for this area. I’d love to hear feedback from neighbors about the proposal. I will be bringing the issue to the August ANC 4C meeting.

  • Some of the reactions here are practically the definition of entitlement — “I want to do what I want to do, and I don’t care how it affects the restaurant or other patrons.” And/or they’re in denial about how their behavior or their kids’ behavior affects others.
    .
    Hard to keep a toddler seated? Sure, that’s understandable. But if you can’t keep your toddler seated most of the time, then you’re better off at a place like a McDonald’s with a playground.
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    The restaurant has every right to make that call.

    • +1. Exactly.

    • I agree with you about keeping your toddler seated and appreciate your acknowledgment that it can be tough, but I note that you use the phrase “most of the time.” If you take Slash Run’s words literally, your toddler must be in their seats at all times, not “most of the time.” And that is tough, for any toddler, even the most well-behaved. SR may allow for some wiggle-room with their request, but how can we be sure. I am sure SR had a reason for this request, but it will make for some very tense meals with families as they stress about their child getting up at any point.

      • saf

        So take the kid outside rather than allowing the kid to run around the restaurant. Seems simple enough.

  • I suspect that they wouldn’t be posting a reminder for parents to watch their kids if they had not been experiencing problems with parents not watching their kids. It’s hard to argue with the safety point. It’s not safe for kids to be running around a restaurant where they can run into patrons or servers.
    As far as the timing argument, I don’t really care whether your kids are in a restaurant with me at 10 pm as long as they aren’t ruining my experience. If the kids are reasonably well behaved, I have no problem with them being around. Maybe Slash Run should have led with the keep your kids under control part and seen how that went for awhile, before adding in a suggested time limit.

  • this discussion makes me sad for society. why can’t non-parents be tolerant of normal child behavior, and why can’t parents ensure/enforce normal child behavior when they are out in public? the onus falls on all of the adults. (and I get that the debate is over kids who are running circles and creating safety hazards, that shouldn’t be allowed, but again, the onus falls on all of the adults present – the parents, the non-parents who could kindly say, is there something I can do to help you out, or who could say, excuse me could you please sit down? the management who could politely ask the parents to sit their children down or see if they can give them some crayons or paper or something? when a kid is kicking my seat on an airplane I have no problem politely turning around and asking both the kid and the parent to not allow the kicking) I don’t know, it’s a burger place with a good bar. doesn’t seem like it should be that big of an issue. and yes some parents might not like a stranger saying settle down to a kid, but it all comes in the tone, the smile, the approach. I can be at the grocery store with a kid who is having a tantrum and thankful to the lady who walks up and says awww you need to listen to mommy. sometimes kids listen to strangers better than their own parents. as a parent it can also be easy to say to a kid, the manager is going to come over here if you don’t settle down, as opposed to just, settle down. and I know the non-parents are going to say why should I have some responsibility to do or say something if there is a crazy out of control kid? well, you reap a lot of future/eventual societal benefits from the kids working, paying social security, creating and innovating, and have an interest in them growing up to be well behaved capable citizens too.

    • picasso, I appreciate this thoughtful post, and it helps me understand where you’re coming from better. I agree, our society would be better if people spoke up, to offer help to an overwhelmed family or to politely ask that a child’s tantrum be reined in if they’re running amok in a public place. But a lot of people – myself included – are reluctant to speak up for fear of being rebuffed, and I mean brutally. You sound like you have a very practical approach to parenting. However, I have met parents who say “Oh, we never tell our precious angel ‘no’ because we don’t want to squash his/her creativity!” as their child is screaming and hitting others on the playground. Or parents who will threaten you with bodily harm because you dare make a suggestion about how they raise their kids. It’s terrifying. honestly terrifying. I don’t know what the solution is, but I think SlashRun is trying to find a decent compromise, and I welcome it.

      • Thanks LittleBluePenguin, and sorry you’ve run into those kinds of parents, especially those threatening bodily harm – not the best example to set for their kids!

    • “…the non-parents who could kindly say, is there something I can do to help you out, or who could say, excuse me could you please sit down?”

      WHAT WHAT?!?! I am not a parent, but I do plan to be one in the future. Not now, not in the future would I EVER DREAM of telling someone else’s child what to do!!! ESPECIALLY a complete stranger!!

      • So you’re telling me, if a child was hitting you, or running around in circles around you, or throwing food at you, or trying to trip you deliberately, that you wouldn’t tell that child to stop? Or worse, if that child was hitting your own child? Or if that child was running with a knife or scissors in their hand? Or if you saw someone’s child stealing? Ummmm, are you an adult? Do you ever speak up for yourself or for what is right?

        • I really hope that you’re not the kind of person who would see a child playing with a loaded gun and not tell their parents or tell the kid to stop and that it’s not safe. As a society, we need to speak up when we see train-wrecks about to happen.

          • Okay that goes WAY BEYOND a child running around a restaurant. I don’t think kids are running around Slash hitting customers. Absolutely I would tell them to stop hitting me, or my kid, but no I am not going to pull a kid aside and tell them to stop running around a restaurant. That is YOUR job as a parent. If I saw a kid with a loaded gun I would fucking take it out of their hand before even saying one word. Way to go off the deep end with your argument.

          • That goes way beyond your original argument. If a kid is hitting me, or my kid, yes I would absolutely say something. However, if a kid is running around a restaurant I am not going to pull them aside and ask them to stop. That is YOUR job as a parent. And I am not even going to address the loaded gun argument b/c it’s ridiculous and not even a comparison.

          • well you did write: “Not now, not in the future would I EVER DREAM of telling someone else’s child what to do!!!” Maybe just think a little more before you write. Also, I did talk about kids running circles and creating safety hazards in the post. And, also read into the meaning of ‘it takes a village.’ Children are influenced by their environments. If you’d like to live in a society where people are constantly helping one another, enabling one another, supporting one another, offering to help one another, speaking up for what a decent dining environment should be like, then I suggest you rethink offering help/advice/support to another parent or child who may be visibly struggling in a restaurant. If you always choose to turn a blind eye, then the child you raise will likely do the same. I’m not saying, tell other people how to raise their kids. I wrote, “kindly say , is there something I can do to help you out, or who could say, excuse me, could you please sit down.” I also wrote “yes some parents might not like a stranger saying settle down to a kid, but it all comes in the tone, the smile, the approach” – I’m clearly not advocating for anyone to go out and yell at someone else’s kids or be rude/gruff/curt in their interactions.

        • If a child was doing any of that, they and their parents should be banned from Slash Run.

          • No disagreement there.

          • I completely agree. Moreover, I will never tell a child not to run around. Not my child and not my restaurant. Not my place. On the other hand, I will judge the hell out of you if you allow it, as it is terrible parenting.

    • saf

      “who could say, excuse me could you please sit down?”
      .
      Have you ever tried that? I have. It generally gets you screamed at by the parent.

      • I have when the kids are being CUHRAZY! Usually though the parent will ask them first and / or apologize in advance of even me having to raise the issue. I guess it’s all subjective though, your idea of a kid that needs to be told to please sit down might be very different from my idea of a kid that needs to be told to please sit down. I can’t imagine that my idea of a kid who needs to be told to please go back to their seat nicely or to please at least not run around my seat wouldn’t be met with agreement and an apology from the parent. I mean, kids will be kids. I thought we were talking about the extreme offenders here. and, hey, if the parent disagreed maybe it would be nice to have management come over and diffuse the situation, like I said, with some crayons or something. I mean you could politely ask a kid to stop running because you don’t want to see anyone get hurt then start a conversation with them like hey kiddo do you like French fries or something? I mean why can’t people just be respectful and kind? I would never rudely say hey kid get in your chair or else… without expecting a seriously upset (and rightfully so) defensive parent

        • saf

          Why would I start a conversation with a kid that I do not know who is misbehaving?
          .
          I have said, “Please go back to your parents now” to misbehaving children and been berated for doing so. Parents don’t want anyone to ever say anything other than “Aw, how cute” to their kids.

          • Because you want them to behave or for the situation to change… I don’t get the struggle. If an adult were being outlandish and inappropriate with their behavior and it was REALLY bothering you to the point where you can’t enjoy being out, you might politely ask them to stop or let them know, or try to talk to them to see if the situation can be remedied. Or, if you don’t, you might decide to leave instead of risk confrontation. Why is it so hard to take the same approach with children?

          • It shouldn’t be saf’s responsibility to leave if there are kids who aren’t behaving themselves.
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            Directly confronting someone whose behavior — or whose kid’s behavior — is inappropriate is risky. You could get told off/berated by the in-denial parent. Or (probably not at Slash Run, but perhaps in other environments) the parent might threaten to kick your ass.
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            It’s the parent’s responsibility to mind their kid. If the kid is too young to remain seated and be in a restaurant environment, then don’t bring the kid to the restaurant. Don’t make the other customers, staff, et al. suffer.

          • I agree textdoc that it’s not saf’s responsibility to leave, but it IS saf’s responsibility to look out for his own well-being, as it is for all of us to look out for number one, yourself. And, if his interests require some crazy kid who isn’t being watched to either calm down his only options really are to either raise it, leave, or deal with it. it’s a sucky situation, but I’m saying, saf could be empowered to do something instead of just complain on a thread about how parents aren’t properly reigning their kids in. and like I’ve said before, it doesn’t have to be a negative interaction, a ‘confrontation’ – why can’t it just be a polite request? that doesn’t seem so confrontational to me. agreed in other environments the parent might threaten to kick your ass. heck, they might even do that! good thing it’s against the law though if they touch you and you can sue them for that.

          • also, YES it is the parent’s responsibility to mind their kid. The more interesting question, and the one we should be answering though, is, what do we do when parents DON’T mind their children. Solutions people! Stop talking about the problem and come up with solutions. And the solution isn’t going to be, well…. the parent is responsible for the child… *we get that, it’s been established.

          • The solution? Kids are required to stay seated at Slash Run. Have a kid who’s too restless to stay seated? Come back to Slash Run when the kid is older, or get a babysitter.
            .
            You don’t seem to understand that a kid running loose in a restaurant affects EVERYONE. The benefit accrues only to the parent, whereas for everyone else, it’s a negative.
            .
            “The more interesting question, and the one we should be answering though, is, what do we do when parents DON’T mind their children.” Your “it takes a village” idea is nice, but the reality is that parents usually don’t take kindly to comments from the village.
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            Let the village enjoy its freaking burger and leave the restless kids at home.

          • saf

            picasso – first, “her.” I’m a woman.
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            Second, I don’t enjoy conversations with children, so why would I start one? That would simply be making an annoying situation even more annoying.
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            Third, I still don’t get why you think anyone other than the parents/kids are responsible for their behavior and why I should need to ask them to behave.

          • uhhh…because you are a member of society. I completely understand that a kid running loose in a restaurant is affecting everyone. i completely agree the person responsible for that kid’s behavior is the parent. and that it seems in these cases, the parent is not minding their children. that’s why I’m trying to find more options and empower everyday people to deal with that kind of a situation. I don’t know, you can be the kind of citizen who speaks up or you can be the kind of citizen who says, hey, not my job, someone else deal with it. but, you can be sure that when kids are running around me I can either do something about it, or leave. I’m not really the kind of person to just sit and stew in misery and wish someone else would do something.

          • “I don’t know, you can be the kind of citizen who speaks up or you can be the kind of citizen who says, hey, not my job, someone else deal with it” — No. A kid being rambunctious in a restaurant is NOT comparable to (say) a neighborhood issue. The behavior of your kid is your job and your job alone. It’s unfair to force it on other restaurant patrons.
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            The kind of parents who have kids running around in restaurants obviously don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. So what point is there in confronting them and risking unpleasantness or injury?

          • Text doc, why/how is it fundamentally different from a neighborhood issue? Wouldn’t it be a nice world where it wasn’t? Where non parents and parents weren’t offended by someone making a suggestion or request on how to make the shared experience at SR more enjoyable for all? Where people didn’t just sit idly by where kids were wreaking havoc all over a restaurant? Where kids and parents alike didn’t feel that behavior was acceptable? ”Be the change you want to see in the world”

      • agreed. I had an incident on my train on Tuesday where a 8 or 9 year old kid was singing loudly in the packed dining car. It was really disruptive, and all I wanted to do was shush the kid. His parents were doing nothing about it and I didn’t want to start a confrontation. So i ended my breakfast early and went back to my seat. I wish I had said something to his parents, or to the wait staff, I could tell other people in the dining car were annoyed as well.

        • I guess that’s my point, people should be allowed to say something, nicely of course, without fear of retribution from the parents when the kids are out of line. even a simple, “hey kid that is some great singing! what song is that? you should definitely keep singing, you might have a career ahead of you (smile) though, would you be so kind as to not continue it so loudly? I’m enjoying my breakfast in the dining car and want to read the paper (or something).” or yes, it would be nice for the wait staff to make a similar request. the responsibility lies with the parents, but when they aren’t doing anything, that shouldn’t make the situation or the child a lost cause. I think that just does more of a disservice and only reinforces to the kids and the bystanders that this kind of behavior is acceptable.

          • And my point is I had no clue how the parents were going to react. Maybe they would be embarrassed that junior was disrupting the train, but they seemed to be encouraging him. It was too early and I was too tired to potentially deal with pissy people. Its great you would take others criticisms kindly, but most people do not. I’m generally a very friendly person who would be very polite in my request, but I have no control on how others will react.

        • singing? kids can’t sing now? ok, maybe it was loud and maybe he wasn’t a great singer, i believe you that you and others found it annoying. but this is an example, in my opinion, of the intolerance that people have towards kids who are doing normal kid things.

  • We frequent Slash Run with our kids off and on and I admit they run around sometimes. And that they shouldn’t do that and SR is probably justified in this request. I will say though that their music is so loud, at all times of the day, (we have never been there past 8 with our kids!) that I think it over stimulates them. It is so loud that we always have to request that they turn it down so the adults in the group can have a conversation. My kids are less inclined to be out of their seats at other restaurants, so I wonder if this contributes; I have wondered why it is more challenging to keep them in their seats at SR than other restaurants. This does not make it Slash Run’s fault that my kids are out of their seat, it is on me to keep them there, but there can be environmental factors that can make that more challenging. I will have to take that into consideration when eating there again, if we do.

  • It might have been helpful if they defined what a “lil one” is. What age child can be in the place after 8 pm without getting the stink eye from the staff and customers? Reading some of these posts, it’s seems clear that there is a contingent that would prefer no one under 18 be allowed. But I would not interpret “lil one” as including my pre-teen or teenager. In fact, I might not read it as including my elementary school aged child.

    • I’m sure some enterprising parents will push the limits of Slash Run’s good graces, as you are already indicating. So many attorneys in DC.
      Don’t be surprised in two weeks to see a sign that says “NO MINORS AFTER 8PM”

    • From my experience kids stop the free roaming at meal times around 6. I don’t think most kids over that age are going to be disruptive to other diners.

  • Honest, genuine question here (not trying to be snarky at all, I am truly curious):
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    Did no one else here simply not go out to eat at all until they were old enough to follow their parents’ rules and observe certain manners? Because I didn’t go out to eat (outside of fast food restaurants, I’m talking about places like this where you’re seated and have a server) until I was in middle school. I never quite realized how weird that must be until now – anyone else?

    • I had the same experience, but I really do think it’s a generational issue (hear me out). If you’re over, say, 40 (maybe even 35), you’re more likely to have had one parent who didn’t work full time, and so evening times were more about breaks for parents and less about quality time. So kids were only taken out to restaurants as a very special occasion. Now it’s more normal for parents to spend lots of time with their kids after work hours and on weekends, so they’re bringing kids to more places at younger ages. That’s not a criticism, just an observation. That said, any bar or restaurant has the right to ban kids, or dogs, or any other non-protected class of people, particularly if they’re creating discomfort or even safety issues for other patrons.

      • I’m in my mid-to-late-20s but I definitely feel like you may have hit this on the head for me. My mom stayed home so yeah I suppose I probably was raised in the style of the 70s/early 80s more than the 90s/2000s. Interesting point. I just always get very confused by these sorts of things – dinners out just were not an option for children in my household.

        • Yeah, my mom stayed home until I was about 13 and dinners out were rare. I have more memories of my parents going out to eat while we stayed home with the babysitter. I was also raised in the ‘burbs and there’s a ton of stuff there now, but when I was a kid the closest restaurant was about a 25 minute drive. We only went out to eat on special occasions.

      • binntp

        I’m over 40, and I agree with Mamasan. I think where I grew up, going out to eat at a sit-down restaurant was a rare occurrence, irrespective of whether both parents worked. We usually only ate out once a week, after church.

        • Same here — going out was incredibly rare. Also there would’ve been hell to pay if any of us acted up (eg, whining — forget about running the restaurant)….

          • yup! Growing up in a big family, going out to eat was a rare event and always contingent on us behaving – if we didn’t, we left. But my parent’s also never even attempted it when were very little, it was only as we got older (and had more disposable income) that we would go out to eat slightly more frequently. Otherwise, it was a damn treat, and woe to him or her who made a fuss in a restaurant!

      • Yep, that’s my experience. My parents took us out to eat maybe every other month when I was a kid, and it wasn’t a linen-napkins place, it was the pizza joint with a PacMac table game.
        I eat out with my kids maybe every other week. Often just the pho place or taqueria. But sometimes Le Diplomat or similar.

      • saf

        I’m 50. My parents both worked. And dinners out were VERY rare when I was a child. We all ate at home together most of the time, and kids only went out to dinner when old enough/well behaved enough to do so. And if we didn’t behave, we were taken out of the restaurant and taken home.
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        My parents went out without kids for date night periodically, but kids weren’t taken to sit-down places until we were older.

    • Eating out as often is definitely a contemporary phenomenon. Food and the interest in all things foodie as well.
      That said I have taken both my kids to restaurants since birth and they are well mannered and know the routine. But, I would never take them out when I know they are tired.

    • I don’t remember being taken to any restaurant other than McDonald’s or Friendly’s until I was maybe 8.

      • Same. We went to Friendly’s or IHOP after church on Sundays but that’s about it. Both my parents worked and we always just ate at home. Even when we did go out, I was too shy to run around the restaurant and my brother (6 years older) was too good. I’m 27 if that makes any difference. My brother now has a 3 year old and they go out to eat a lot, but I can’t imagine them letting him run around a restaurant at all. Even when he was 1-2 he definitely would not have been up out of his seat. If he gets fussy they let him play with his little train toy. It’s really never been an issue though..

    • Lots of newly arrived, bougie parents living in urban areas nowadays with plenty of disposable income. Most of us grew up in more modest surroundings. The only kids I knew who went out to restaurants with any sort of regularity when I was a kid were “the rich kids” at my school. And they usually ate out while on vacation.
      For my family, going out to eat usually meant fast food or the pizza joint (with video games!). When I was in late middle school, my dad started taking us three kids out to the local white table cloth Italian restaurant every Thursday night. It was still a pretty casual place. He was also working a lot of overtime and making a lot more money.

    • We went out a lot, to very nice places. Think Michelin starred. We learned very quickly how to behave. Consistency! It works.

  • I really don’t think that kids doing a little bit of running around a restaurant is the worst thing. They’re usually pretty cute and they seem excited to be able to explore. If it’s just a few minutes and they aren’t acting outlandishly crazy, this is not a big a problem. The people doing all the complaining have probably shown worse behavior at this same bar after a night of drinking.

    • I’m not ok with drunk people at my kids’ playground, nor am I ok with “a little bit of running around” in a bar/ restaurant.

    • Cute to some, totally annoying to others. Restaurants aren’t playgrounds. I am not entertained by having kids tearing around the restaurant when I’m trying to enjoy my meal.

  • The parents who take their kids to Slash Run and let them act like it’s the ball pit at McDonald’s are completely to blame here. It’s not the staff’s job to babysit the unruly kids who are there, and it’s not the other patrons’ job either (and believe me, I have gotten INTO IT with some parents at Slash Run; there are some entitlement issues wrapped up in this thread that I could write a book about. Politeness got me nowhere). I applaud Slash Run for doing this in a manner that I think is respectful and fair. For those who disagree, you are the reason why we can’t have nice things.

    • I don’t disagree, I think the parents bear the brunt of the blame. and I think, good for slash run for finally doing something – from the comments on the thread it sounds like it might be a little overdue. but, I’ve never been there and seen these wild kids being spoken of though, and I’ve been there many times.

    • +1 to BrightwoodPark.

    • In today’s WAPO Ask Tom:

      Q: Kids in Restaurants
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      Some time ago, my wife, another couple, and I were having dinner at a relatively upscale restaurant in Chevy Chase. Good service. Good food. Unfortunately, there were three mothers and five young children, at a table, not near us, but, unfortunately, within sight and sound distance. The kids (all four or less) were out of control – running, screaming, etc, with the mothers not saying a word. We asked the manager to calm them down. Response, “What can I do”? My wife then opined that if these were adults, they would have been asked to leave or the police would have been called for their disorderly conduct. Ding, ding, ding. I went over to their table and told them what my wife had said. They huffed and puffed that they were just being kids. I said they could do that at home, not where they’re annoying others. They got their check and left, with glares toward us, and applause from the other patrons that they had left. Was I wrong? What should the restaurant have done?

      A: Tom Sietsema

      Running and screaming in a restaurant can pose hazards. (For starters, think of all the hot plates, sharp knives and drinks on trays those kids could have encountered, or vice-versa!)

      My two cents: The manager should have intervened and used the safety card in his defense. (Did people seriously applaud as the group left? I hope the moms learned their lesson.)

      Preemptive strike here: I am NOT against kids in restaurants. I *love* seeing children eating with their charges, so long as the former are on good behavior. And that’s the trick. How else will kids learn to socialize, develop table skills, try different foods, etc. if they aren’t exposed to such?

  • Thank God for sane parents like dcd, wdc, and Anonamom.

  • Wow! We’ve been coming to slashrun since they opened (our kids school is near) and they have had a sign up that is similar for quite some time. Not sure why this is suddenly shocking. SR, has always been super kid friendly in the early evening but those of us with kids clear out by 8 – because we love the place and the owner has been really great.

    Yes, if you go there at 5pm there are going to be a ton of kids. If you go at 8:30, not so much – even in the summer.

  • It is so disheartening. So many of my age cohort, who have recently become parents, are among the worst human beings I know. I see it on this thread, on my Facebook feed, and day-to-day interactions… I’m thinking of becoming a parent and I hope if I ever morph into this entitled, self-absorbed, myopic perpetually offended busy body that someone holds me down and shoves bamboo shoots under my fingernails until I stop.

  • I’m a father of a two-year old and a Brightwood Park resident, and am shocked at how much controversy this policy and this blog post created. When I first saw it late at night on Popville, it didn’t even register for me as anything remotely noteworthy or wrong.

    Every once in a while, we take our kid to a kid-friendly restaurant. If he’s super squirmy or won’t stay in his seat at all, one of us follows him like a hawk to make sure he doesn’t get into anyone else’s business. If he’s fussy or loud, we take him home. And we always get there early and leave early to make sure he’s not out when his expiry point arrives. Does it camp our style a little bit? Of course. But that’s the choice we made.

    Moreover, on date nights when my wife and I go out alone, I LOVE NOT HAVING TO DEAL WITH KIDS. That’s the point of the date night. What is the big freaking deal?

    • I think the deal is, your parenting style sounds on par with most parents. But some of the responses indicate that maybe it would be viewed as something not to be tolerated. i.e., if your toddler needs to get up, even if you follow him around and hold his/her hand for a few minutes, that might not be acceptable?

  • Well, I didn’t like Slash Run before, and I like it less now. I didn’t like it before because I felt the food was somewhat low quality. I did like the loud music though, especially when a Minor Threat song would suddenly play. I like SR less now because they don’t seem to appreciate kids. I have brought three kids in there for dinner several times. Two are mine, and one is a neighbors kid. All three have been pretty good at staying in their seats. How have I managed this – The Almighty SmartPhone. It has the power to keep kids glued to their seats. Those parents who haven’t tried this tactic yet need to up their data plans and share their phones with their kids.

    Anyway, I’ll just feed us at an establishment that seems to appreciate feeding more then just two people at a table.

  • I love kids, love interacting with kids at restaurants, am always happy to chat with any child that toddles over to my table to chat, and I don’t care if a kid is doing jumping jacks, somersaults, or screaming his/her lungs out while I’m eating. They’re kids! That said, I’ve been continually surprised over the last few years by the number of young children I see out at bars at 10 p.m., 11 p.m., and later. I have been at a bar at midnight sitting on a stool right next to a kid in PJs, drinking from a sippy cup, watching the World Cup. She was cute, but it’s just…weird? I was at a bar/restaurant in VA recently, and a group of parents nabbed a table for themselves, and stuck three kids on stools in the bar area so the kiddos could watch TV and leave the adults to eat in peace. I don’t have anything especially “pro” or “con” to say, but interesting to the change– when I was growing up, it seemed families with young children just sort of naturally cleared out of places by about 9 p.m., but that is no longer the case.

  • The day someone opens a bar with a ballpit and bouncy house where you can check your kids like a coat (i.e. Ikea) they will make a killing. And late night you can stash your “too drunk friend.”

  • today is WAPO’s Ask Tom:

    Q: Kids in Restaurants
    

    Some time ago, my wife, another couple, and I were having dinner at a relatively upscale restaurant in Chevy Chase. Good service. Good food. Unfortunately, there were three mothers and five young children, at a table, not near us, but, unfortunately, within sight and sound distance. The kids (all four or less) were out of control – running, screaming, etc, with the mothers not saying a word. We asked the manager to calm them down. Response, “What can I do”? My wife then opined that if these were adults, they would have been asked to leave or the police would have been called for their disorderly conduct. Ding, ding, ding. I went over to their table and told them what my wife had said. They huffed and puffed that they were just being kids. I said they could do that at home, not where they’re annoying others. They got their check and left, with glares toward us, and applause from the other patrons that they had left. Was I wrong? What should the restaurant have done?

    A: Tom Sietsema

    Running and screaming in a restaurant can pose hazards. (For starters, think of all the hot plates, sharp knives and drinks on trays those kids could have encountered, or vice-versa!)

    My two cents: The manager should have intervened and used the safety card in his defense. (Did people seriously applaud as the group left? I hope the moms learned their lesson.)

    Preemptive strike here: I am NOT against kids in restaurants. I *love* seeing children eating with their charges, so long as the former are on good behavior. And that’s the trick. How else will kids learn to socialize, develop table skills, try different foods, etc. if they aren’t exposed to such?

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