“the liquor store- the blight of a NE DC neighborhood”

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just a stock photo of a liquor store sign I like because of the contrast with the church

the liquor store- the blight of a NE DC neighborhood

“I live in a row house in an otherwise seemingly quiet part of NE DC near Stadium Armory. The place is great except for the corner of 18th and D St NE where two businesses (the Parks Economy Market and Master Liquor) attract a crowd socializing in and around the outside area for hours into the evening.

Shattered glass, beer cans, food waste and food wrappers litter the sidewalks around the areas surround C St NE and D St NE from 17th St NE to 21st St NE. Cars pull up blasting music almost always with a heavy bass line. Other times men are shouting at each other incoherently about sports or news or whatever else is on their minds. Often this is accompanied by a haze of marijuana. Other times you might find someone slouched over the sidewalk completely drunk and on the ground. On the weekends things turn even more colorful.

Why does this matter?

Because this is a residential area with families around, several schools and a lot of children and pets. Because businesses should have a responsibility in the well being of their communities and being good neighbors. Because its basic respect not to enable public drinking and encourage loitering outside your business. The situation got so bad last year a group of individuals complained to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board (http://abra.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/abra/publication/attachments/1806DStNE-7152015.pdf) on a whole series of poor business practices. Much little has changed to this day.

If you live in this area and are concerned about this issue, please contact your ANC rep or complain on ABRA’s website (http://abra.dc.gov/service/filing-complaint-abra).”

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  • As your neighborhood gets better so will your liquor store…..

  • If the problem is liquor, that also covers bars, beer halls, etc. And Dan, your blog now carries advertising for liquor. If liquor is the problem, then liquor is the problem….

    • Prince Of Petworth

      And I drink liquor – so I personally am the problem too. C’mon man take it all the way.

    • The OP is pretty clearly stating that the problem isn’t the alcohol per se, but rather the store’s tolerance of loitering, public drunkenness, etc.

      • If the loitering is occurring on the sidewalk in front of the store (rather than on the store property), isn’t that a metro police problem?

        • MPD might be responsible for actual enforcement, but it sounds as though this store is fostering an environment where patrons feel free to hang around outside and drink.

          • I was at a community meeting in Park View once and this issue came up. If you know Georgia Ave there is no shortage of liquor stores. Anyhow, MPD said it’s not an easy issue to deal with. They’re addicts, alcoholics, etc and they cannot arrest them…they have to find city services to deal with them, which as you can imagine are hard to come by. Also, I don’t think they can force them to go, but not sure about that.

          • What about the OP’s post suggests that the store is fostering this environment? Are they ordering pizza for the loiters? Providing chairs for them? Portajohns?

            I’m guessing the store doesn’t call the cops on their customers, but that doesn’t prevent neighbors from calling the cops when they see illegal activity. There are lot of liquor stores (even in not great neighborhoods) where this isn’t a problem.

          • OK… so, why was there loitering and public drunkenness outside Petworth Liquor but not outside the renovated Lion’s? The store _does_ play a role in this.
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            My recollection from that same Park View meeting was that MPD wasn’t talking specifically about people hanging outside of liquor stores, but rather about people hanging out in front of Eddie Leonard’s.

          • I think it’s the same thing…whether they’re hanging out in front of Eddie Leonard’s or Petworth Liquor. I agree the stores do have a role in it, but guessing the difference is clientele. Lion’s probably does their part to keep the sidewalk clear and I swear every time I am there a police officer is inside the store sitting in the front! That has to help deter people drinking/doing drugs on the sidewalk.

          • It is *possible* that a liquor store can chase off people from in front of their store, but if those people on a public sidewalk, that’s really not their job to do.

          • As others have pointed out by contrasting Lion’s with Petworth Liquors on Georgia Avenue, it really is the store’s response that dictates how comfortable loiterers are outside of a business. Lion’s chose to make the crowd feel unwelcome by employing security, while Petworth (and many other establishments along the BID) hide behind bulletproof glass. It doesn’t take police involvement to encourage these crowds to scatter, just an engaged business owner who cares about their store’s clientele and outward appearance.

        • loitering isn’t illegal in DC.

  • I live in this area and walk by this place everyday. Agreed it’s a blight on the neighborhood, but I don’t think it’s unique. Lots of liquor/corner stores attract loiterers and litter.
    Are you part of the newhilleast listserv? Someone posted recently about beautifying the empty lot across the street with some plants, flowers etc. They were looking for volunteers to help. If nothing else, hopefully it could help with the insane amount of trash everywhere…

    • I’m not the OP, but I also live at this intersection. I;m no longer on the newhilleast listserv, but 1) that lot is private property; 2) there isn’t usually much trash in that lot, it’s mostly across the street in front of the store; and 3) there are rumors DC will buy that property once the court case is settled.

      • I’m new to the neighborhood (bought a block away several months back) and have been baffled by the 20 guys at 18th and D all day every day and the empty lot across the street that seems to double as a car repair lot. What’s the story with that lot? You mention a lawsuit – regarding what? Amazing to me no developer has bought the lot and put up condos or several townhomes considering what’s going on in the neighborhood generally.

        • I was talking above about the lot where they tore down the brand new condo building on the 1700 block of D. The parking lot you’re talking about is owned by a developer, who also owns the liquor store, daycare, and market. He has plans to put up condos on both in 5-10 years, apparently.

  • None of this sounds like a big problem other than the broken glass. For that you can get a trash can.
    .
    Lower income residents can’t necessarily afford to sip cocktails on H St. Try to figure out a way to work with your neighbors (which the people enjoying a cocktail in the parking lot likely are) rather than taking away their drinking spot by lawyer.

    • So why not buy your liquor and take it back to your apartment or front porch? Invite a few friends. That’s generally the way liquor stores are supposed to work.

      • Not sure if you are being sarcastic here, but many of the district’s low income families live with a large number of people in the household. It’s not so easy to just invite all your friends over for a drink.

        • Not being sarcastic at all. Even if you have a large household, you can sit in the backyard on or the front porch with 2 or 3 friends and drink a couple of beers. Your home or a bar are the appropriate places to drink. Not the streets/sidewalks.

          • This is Awkward

            Completely agree with you that the street/sidewalk is not a place to drink (or leave litter), but you’re naive to think everyone has a porch or backyard. I, for one, have only lived in 1 apartment ever where I had a small, personal balcony and 1 where I had a small, shared concrete yard area. Most lower income folks are living in a multi-unit building where 1) There is no front stoop area 2) Even if there was, its also basically a “public space” where drinking would be unwelcome and gathering would make it difficult for ingress/egress to the units.

          • Then you go to your friend’s house who does have a porch/stoop. Or you go to a bar. Or you don’t drink.

            Imagine saying “Well, I like driving, but I don’t have a car, so I think I’ll steal that one over there.”

          • This is Awkward

            Oh good lord, all common sense solutions there Doc. I think you’re smart enough to realize that stretching everything to its logical conclusion is completely illogical. Everything is not “if a than b”. More than likely your friends also do not have a place to gather, you cannot afford to go to a bar, and you are certainly not going to just not drink (you see how well abstinence only education works?).
            I, and others, are merely suggesting that part of the solution may be helping to bring the whole neighborhood up so that folks of lesser means do have (realistic) options other than congregating outside the liquor store. And/or that by working with a diverse coalition of neighbors you may be able to convince the congregators to stop the annoying behavior, something you are unlikely to do by calling the authorities on them.

          • This summer a number of my new yuppie neighbors with toddlers started having glasses of wine together on the sidewalk while their kids play together. This doesn’t bother me. So I’d feel hypocritical to say other people shouldn’t do the same thing.

          • @eva, just curious, why are you standing on the sidewalk rather than in someone’s yard? The latter is fine, the former is not.

          • @awkward, I agree that alcoholics will still drink regardless, but they don’t need to do it in public. Look, I’m not even opposed to drink in public per se, but if you are drinking in public in a fashion that people notice you are drinking in public (littering, being loud, smoking week, loud music, swearing, harassing people), then you are doing it wrong.

          • @Doc to clarify I am not the one doing the public drinking. It is my new neighbors. I have no idea why they are doing it on the sidewalk, though I do know that their block backs up to an infill street in a way that prevents most of them from having a backyard. I mean, I guess I could ask them, but like I said it isn’t bothering me so I’ve kind of just raised my eyebrows when I walk passed them. They’ve never invited me to join them or really acknowledged me so who knows. I must put off an unfriendly vibe or something!

            Strangely in the past few weeks I’ve also passed (later in the evening, like 9-10 pm) yuppie white guys in my neighborhood walking down the sidewalk with open beers. That has also raised my eyebrows, but I’m not one to call the cops for every single infraction of the law that isn’t harming me, so what can I do other than roll my eyes and huff at the double standard?

          • Parents having a glass of wine together while their kids play is completely different from a group of drunk/high men passed out/urinating/littering/harassing people on the sidewalk in front of a liquor store. You get that, right?

    • This isn’t about income. Both Master Liquors and Park Market have settlement agreements with the ANC, whereby they agree to clean up any litter and enforce no loitering, among other things. They are frequently in violation, and that’s punishable by ABRA.

      • This has obviously been a hang out spot for many years. Maybe just work with the people who hang there to keep it cleaner and safe? Going after them with ABRA is really confrontational and makes it look like you’re trying to kick them out of the neighborhood. That’s why people don’t like gentrifiers.

        • Too bad. I live there now and I expect the laws to be enforced. And you are totally wrong about the neighborhood – it’s almost exclusively single family row homes and smaller multi unit buildings. There are no large scale developments and people could very easily drink on their porches/stoops/yards but instead they decide to illegally drink in public while engaging in other illegal activities.

          I really could not care less that they’ve been doing it for years/decades. Times, they are a changin.

      • How do they enforce no loitering when loitering is not illegal in DC? They can eject people from their stores but they can’t stop someone from standing on a public sidewalk.

    • I haven’t been by this store, so just going by the OP’s description….but there’s a big difference between sipping cocktails and slouched over drunk on the ground.

    • The classic response to having to live near “those people” socializing is to separate residential from commercial and prevent them from having anywhere to go. New urbanism is countering this with a revival of mixed use areas. You will just have to learn to deal with your neighbors.

      • Mixed use doesn’t have to mean litter and public drunkenness.

        • So outlaw litter and public drunkeness. Don’t manipulate the zoning process to remove stores from neighborhoods. The problem here is not the store, it is the patrons that the OP finds reprehensible.

          • No, it is the illegal behavior the store perpetuates. And if the MPD won’t enforce the laws, then the rest of us will work to shut the store down.

          • Litter and public drunkenness are already against the law. The problem is that there’s very little enforcement.
            .
            “Don’t manipulate the zoning process” — Who was even talking about the zoning process??
            .
            The patrons might be the problem, but the store is also at fault for tacitly allowing this behavior.

          • I consider liquor licensing as part of the overall zoning process.

  • I really wish you didn’t post a picture of Grand Liquor at 15th and Isherwood next to Far East Taco. This is a great liquor store and the owner is a great member of the community. The one referenced in the post is a few blocks over and I agree with everything she said about it.

  • Not wanting a rowdy trash pit as a feature of one’s neighborhood seems pretty reasonable to me, regardless of the neighborhood.

  • This is Awkward

    Sounds like more than half of the neighborhoods I’ve lived in… I’m torn on complaints like this because as someone who often has to live among with these kinds of problems (read, mid-lower income) I, too, would like my neighborhood to be clean, quiet at night, and safe. Also, as someone who’s worked in local government, I believe in community organizing and citizen’s rights to health and home. I just can’t help, however, being conflicted when the complaint comes from upper middle class gentrifiers (I’m assuming this about OP because c’mon, if you have time to complain to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, let alone know what that is, you’re probably upper middle class). More often than not what these people really want is everyone poorer, darker, and different from them to leave so they can set up 15 Starbucks in a row and have reserved parking in front of each one.

    @Anon and @petworther have the right ideas- if you want a better neighborhood, try working with the neighborhood to make it that way instead of filing complaints. Nobody wants to work with you when you’re complaining about/at them, but when you’re part of boosting the entire neighborhood up (cleaning, painting, beautifying, creating public space/dialogue), they’re much more likely to be inspired to work on the issues you care about (crowds, litter, noise).

    • They’re not necessarily neighbors – a lot of the people who hang out here come in cars with MD or VA plates.

    • +1

      Its the neighborhood liquor store that some of these guys may patron daily for the last decade of so. A meeting place of some sort. The owners surely know the customers, their drink of choice, etc… I would advise what others have already said. Work with your neighbors and the community to clean it up a bit and find a common ground instead of running to the ABC Board. Break bread with your neighbors, grab a couple metal trashcans, and see where that goes.

    • you think people move to NE because they want to drink coffee at Starbucks? That’s why people move to Arlington. People move to DC because they want to live in a vibrant city with a diverse set of neighbors. That doesn’t inherently mean they should also endure these sorts of problems.

      • This is Awkward

        No, I think many many people move to “less desirable” neighborhoods because they can afford to buy homes there and are banking on the area “coming up”, aka all the original residents being priced out and making way for said upper middle class lifestyles. This isn’t rocket science. The very rich move to the already gentrified areas, the newly/moderately monied move to slightly less desirable neighborhoods that they believe will soon experience an economic/social shift.

        Having lived in Chicago and NYC, I’ve seen more than my share of people say they want to “live in a vibrant city with a diverse set of neighbors”, except they don’t. They’re drawn by the creative elements of a neighborhood but soon destroy everything vibrant, creative, or diverse about the area because they want more parking, more upscale retail, less noise, less graffiti etc etc etc.

        See: Richard Florida’s “The Creative Class”; Chicago’s Wicker Park/Lincoln Park; NYC’s Williamsburg or Crown Heights or Red Hook

        • Can we please dispose of the notion that a bunch of old heads becoming public nuisances as they lose themselves in the bottom of a bottle or at the end of a dipper is some wonderful American tradition to be celebrated and honored? If you think Larry getting ripped on whatever Steve sells him and then threatening to cut Eddie with the glass from the bottle he just tossed in the street but he can’t find Eddie cause Eddie is taking a piss in the alley is “vibrant, creative, or diverse,” then I suspect you have different standards for acceptable and desirable behavior than most.

          • +1. Just because something has been practiced for a long time with no enforcement doesn’t mean that it should continue that way.

          • Boom. ^This guy gets it. The problem is so many gentrifiers in DC put up with this nonsense to see who can “out-tolerate” whom. This is not behavior worth preserving or protecting and shouldn’t just be written off as part of “vibrant, diverse city living.”

          • +1. There’s nothing “diverse” or “historic” about drunks pissing themselves on the sidewalks.

        • I think you are taking the argument a bit far. I would not call public drunkenness or street harassment a “creative element” of a neighborhood. And I would not characterize aspiring to live in a neighborhood without open air drug dealing as aspiring to an “upper middle class lifestyle.” I moved to Park View 11 years ago when it was “coming up.” I was not counting on all of the original residents on my block being priced out. But I did hope that the drug house and the vacant property that was a magnet for loiterers would move on sooner rather than later. Thankfully, they did.
          An area does not have to lose all of its original residents to “come up.”

    • So upper middle class gentrifiers hate liquor? 😉

      The liquor store isn’t the problem here. If illegal activities are occurring on their property and they aren’t acting, that’s a problem. If they are breaking their agreement with ABRA, then that’s problem. Otherwise it’s not the store that the issue, it’s the clientele. Call the cops when you see something happening (littering, public intoxication, public marijuana use, indecent exposure etc) that shouldn’t be. If the cops aren’t responsive, complain to their higher ups.

    • “More often than not what these people really want is everyone poorer, darker, and different from them to leave so they can set up 15 Starbucks in a row and have reserved parking in front of each one.”
      .
      That’s a stretch. Maybe that’s is true for some people, but I suspect what most people want is for the litter and public drunkenness to go away, and ideally the loitering too. (Yes, I realize loitering is not illegal in D.C. unless an area is marked as a “Drug-Free Zone.”)

      • This is Awkward

        It is a broad brush, but having experienced plenty of neighborhood gentrification directly, I would bet money OP’s wishlist doesn’t stop with the liquor store.

      • Ah, is that what the “drug-free zone” signs mean? I always wondered what the point of them was, since isn’t everything a drug free zone?

        • This is Awkward

          Dunno if somehow DC is different, but usually drug free zones are around schools, and they mean that fines for illegal behaviors are doubled or tripled. This is to encourage a safer space for students. Unfortunately, the zones often aren’t meant to solve any particular problem, just pushes drug users/sellers, gang activity, etc. to just outside the borders.

    • Perhaps the problem lies in your premise that someone of mid-lower income “has to live” with these kinds of problems. There is no reason why a lower-income or poor neighborhood can’t be clean, (relatively) quiet at night, and safe. Associating low incomes with litter and crime is the basis for the assumption that the only way to “clean up” neighborhoods is to move the poor people out.

    • Love the glib generalization of what most upper middle class people want. You definitely have a handle on us. And we know most lower-middle class people just want fast food, Maury Povich, and cheap liquor right? We can totally put people in a box based on their income.

  • You should be working with your ANC. If the liquor store is the center of the problem, your ANC and a strong neighborhood group can exert significant pressure on a business to clean up or lose its license. It’s been done all over the city. Google ABRA ANC Protest. Good luck!

  • Liquor stores are the blight of just about every neighborhood in D.C. Good luck trying to get rid of them because the Board that oversees them almost always decides in favor of the liquor store. It’s big business. About the only thing you can do is get your local police to actually police the store.

    • That much is true. Yesterdays topic was of a similar scenario regarding the liquor store on 18th and D St NE which has gotten much better since i was in HS. You almost couldn’t drive down that block in 97/98. Still a lot loitering according to that post.

      One thing for sure, as the neighborhoods are revitalized these things start to change. Glad the OP cares enough to seek action.

  • I also live at that corner. There is constant drug dealing on that corner and an illegal car repair “shop” is run out of one of the empty lots across the street. MPD is well aware of these issues.

    To the person claiming that the lot doesn’t have a lot of trash that’s untrue. If it appears that way it’s because we pick it up daily. We’d appreciate your help keeping our neighborhood clean.

  • I’m sympathetic to the OP’s complaint, because I live near a zillion crappy liquor and/or corner stores, and the amount of litter outside of them is amazing. Watching people throw trash on the street when they’re standing right next to a public trash can is infuriating.
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    However, I also feel like there’s a gigantic double standard in play here. Many of the same people who complain about people drinking on the corner at Eddie Leonard’s or Petworth liquor will be happy to drink in the parking lot across the street once it’s christened a beer garden. What exactly is the difference between nuisance loiterers drinking a Steel Reserve on the corner and neighbors drinking a DC Brau in the parking lot across the street?

    • This is Awkward

      +1 The two crowds are often equally loud/unruly/annoying/prone to littering or other disruptive behavior. The difference is one is legally and socially sanctioned and one is not. Therefore many, including here on PoP, will have no problem with the former, but will readily rail against the latter.

      • Why would you not “rail against” when people do things are not legally sanctioned (i.e. ILLEGAL)?

        • This is Awkward

          I’m simply questioning the prevailing logic here that everything illegal is bad and everything legal is somehow acceptable or justified. Please note: I am not disagreeing that public drunkenness or litter are a problem.

          • Yes, here in this place called “society,” we operate under the agreement that legal = acceptable, and illegal = unacceptable.

    • One is legal and one is not.

      The beer garden has trash cans, bathrooms and a security staff.

    • Come on, do you really not know the difference? One is often accompanied by litter, unsafe behavior, harassment, even violence. The other is people drinking in a sanctioned enclosed space, presumably not harassing or harming people who are just trying to walk by.

      • “litter, unsafe behavior, harassment, even violence” sounds like it’s right out of an ABRA protest for Dacha. Meanwhile, I manage to walk down Georgia every day without being harassed or harmed by the loiterers. The vast majority of those people loitering aren’t bothering anybody. Sure, i’ve seen the occasional drunk passed out the street. I’ve also seen drunk people stagger out of the patio at Wonderland and take a dive on the sidewalk. I’ve seen people sipping beers on the sly on Georgia, and I’ve seen lawyers chugging beer on the mall during softball games. I’ve shaken my head at some guy drinking vodka on the street at noon, and I’ve enjoyed a noontime brunch Bloody Mary on the patio at Mothership (RIP) right across the street. The idea that these behaviors are fundamentally different just seems wrong to me.

    • +1. You could totally see this note written the opposite way. There is obviously a lack of legal outdoor drinking options in this neighborhood, so they should petition for a license to create a BYOB seating area for neighborly socializing.

  • Just looking at the Google Street view of that liquor store makes the point. This is the shot that the Prince should have used. Blurred faces and all.

    • WTF? The streetview has almost litter, no one passed out, no one even drinking. It’s a crappy looking store with a few black people in front of it. The fact that you think this “makes the point” makes me wonder what the point actually is.

    • This is 18th and D NE right? I’m looking at the Google Street View too and I don’t see anything approximating a crime, no bottles of any kind even a soda, one guy on the phone, one person biking past and one person who appears to be sitting? Everyone else looks to be about 15 and standing looking at the google car? I don’t even really see any trash.

      I don’t doubt that after dark different things might be happening, I just don’t see what this google street view snapshot substantiates at all.

  • I thought the same thing about the photo for the post. The old Viggy’s that was there when the photo was probably taken was a real s**thole, but Grand Liquor has been a huge improvement.

    Maybe some of that evil, evil gentrification will spread down to where these folks are having problems at 18th and D. Seriously, it’s not just the newcomers that have a problem with this type of thing. I know lots of old timers in the neighborhood that are fed up too. You don’t have to be white and upper-middle class to have a problem with public drunkenness, drug dealing, trash, etc.

    As for trying to ‘talk it out’ with any of these guys, I would NOT recommend it. If you do give it a shot and realize you’re not getting anywhere, be VERY careful if you start to call the police. You’re going to need to make sure none of them suspect you’re the one breaking up their good time every other night, or you could end up with slashed tires or worse. I spent years calling the police about the same type of thing (non-liquor store related) and it was stressful.

    As long as we’re talking about the neighborhood, I’ll call out the corner store at 15th and C NE as another trouble spot. I drive by multiple times a day and the loitering/drug dealing seems to have gotten worse lately.

    • Time for my favorite gentrification anecdote! used to live in ANC6A, close to this neighborhood, starting in 2003. As a new resident I attended ANC meetings regularly. Back then, all anyone talked about was the crusade to ban the sake of singles, what constituted a single, how people who couldn’t afford 6-packs should have access to singles, etc. Very similar to this discussion.

      At the meeting where the language asking for a singles ban was finally agreed upon, someone (another new neighbor) asked for additional language banning the sale of fortified wine. He was tired of seeing broken Mad Dog bottles on his street.

      Robust discussion ensued. But the crowd was in a banning mood, and so the commissioners started refining the language so they could include it. THEN, in the process of defining what was and wasn’t a fortified wine, someone mentioned that port was included in the definition.

      The original guy, Mr Mad Dog, withdrew his request because it turns out he was a big port drinker and a new, fancier liquor store was slated to open in his area soon. Oh how he chuckled. It was atrocious. And they dropped the new language.

  • Yeah Lion’s on Georgia used to be like something out of Bosch painting until it was renovated. Occasionally winos still go in, but the loitering and out-of-control atmosphere completely changed.

    • As a Kenyon resident, I remember laughing the first time somebody recommended I go into the new Lion’s. Now I’d rather buy there than d’Vines.

  • Brooklyn Brawler

    @ JCM & This Is Awkward +1,000 on EVERYTHING you both posted. Wish you both could see me clapping behind this computer screen lol

  • I’ve had this problem in my neighborhood and its extremely frustrating. In full view of parked police cars (DCPD and Housing Authority) we constantly have gaggles of men openly drinking alcohol on the street and smoking pot. Normally I ignore it, but it came to a head during the snow when they started getting really out of control yelling at people randomly and “wrestling” in the streets blocking cars (less violent persay, than super inebriated and out of shape men rolling around in the street taunting one another.)

  • Regardless of economic status, there is no excuse for ratchet behavior. No amount of thinly-veiled liberal guilt can convince me of this. Having said that, the easiest way to remedy this is to call the ABRA violations hotline repeatedly and get the establishments cited for not following ANC voluntary. agreement(s). Attend ANC meetings and bring it up to your ANC commissioner. When their liquor license comes up for renewal, form a protest. Eventually, the store will either change or close, thereby eliminating the fuel for the fire. Then, these people will either stop doing what they’re doing or go somewhere else.

    • Agree that there is no excuse for the behavior, but I’m not sure why people are trying to blame this illegal activity on a legal business. Unless the store is selling after hours, or selling to minors and that is contributing to the illegal activity outside the store, then this is NOT the store’s problem.

      And yes, loitering is legal, but I’d be shocked if those loitering weren’t also doing something else illegal (open container, littering, public consumption of marijuana, public intoxication etc).

      So the police CAN do something about this, they just choose not to. That’s the issue here.

  • figby

    Why does this matter?

    because children and kids and families and children and the children.

    And my property values as an entitled person who moved into a blighted neighborhood and wants everything clean and family friendly by yesterday.

    • Yep, like everyone else in DC I’m entitled to have the laws enforced in my neighborhood. Also, look up blighted. It doesn’t mean what you think it means if you’re applying it to Kingman Park.

  • albany

    Did anyone else read the OP’s second paragraph and think of Grandmaster Flash’s “The Message?”

    OP wrote: Shattered glass, beer cans, food waste and food wrappers litter the sidewalks,,,Cars pull up blasting music almost always with a heavy bass line. Other times men are shouting at each other incoherently about sports or news or whatever else is on their minds. Often this is accompanied by a haze of marijuana. Other times you might find someone slouched over the sidewalk completely drunk and on the ground. On the weekends things turn even more colorful.

    Grandmaster wrote: Broken glass everywhere
    People pissin’ on the stairs, you know they just don’t care
    I can’t take the smell, can’t take the noise
    Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice
    Rats in the front room, roaches in the back
    Junkies in the alley with a baseball bat
    I tried to get away but I couldn’t get far
    ‘Cause a man with a tow truck repossessed my car

  • Just drove past and um yeah it’s the same ol D St. Not sure much can be done unless you call the police everyday but the fellas are definitely out there doing there thing. Came across some interesting footage on YouTube when you put in the address to this intersection

  • What about the herd of yuppies who toss food on the street, piss, puke, and are generally out of hand in all major “revitalized” areas during the weekend, especially later into the night?

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