Car2Go Parking “a breach of residential etiquette?”


“Dear PoPville,

The Car2Go that this note was on was parked at 14th and Roxanna St. NW, near Eastern Ave. and downtown Silver Spring, MD.”

Ed. Note: Another reader told me they heard the exact same debate in Brookland. Have other folks heard this debate?

218 Comment

  • This note is dumb. Angry people suck.

  • saf

    This reminds me of one of our neighbors who blocks off the space in front of her house when she is not parked there, because it is “MY SPACE.” Well, it isn’t. Public spaces are PUBLIC.
    OP, send this picture to car to go and DDOT, with the exact address where the car was parked.

    • I once parked my car in front of someone’s house on a quiet street, and when I went to drive away he stormed out of the house to tell me I couldn’t park there, he pays taxes, votes for council members, blah blah blah. Normally I would just say “OK thanks” and move along, but he was so confrontational that I just calmly told him he should pay more taxes, and maybe then the councilmember he votes for would consider reserving a private parking space for him, but until then anyone is welcome to park there.

    • Send a picture… why? Ranting bozos have a right to blather their nonsense to anyone who will listen or to write it down and stick it under a windshield wiper. It’s no more objectionable or illegal do so than to put stupid pizza menus there. Give it the attention it deserves and throw it away.

      • “Ranting bozos have a right to blather their nonsense to anyone who will listen”

        Yes, and we have a right to tweet their nonsense at public officials and laugh at them. Free speech works both ways.

        • So this dumbass wasted someone’s time with this pointless junk… so they should waste someone else’s time with it? Sure, good plan, dumb free speech calls for even more dumb free speech! And this time use up some resources of a government official!

      • This reminds me of something. Is there any penalty for those a$$holes who put those thick cardstock ads under my windshield wipers when it’s raining that stick to my windshield? I had to scrape it with my key to get it off.

      • saf

        Because if something happens to cars parked there in the future, it is a data point.

  • These are the same people who don’t want bike lanes. We all pay taxes for the roads and they don’t own the spot in front of their house. Not On My Block is the new NIMBY.

  • So leaving passive aggressive notes is not a breach of residential etiquette?

  • Would they rather their street be taken up all the time by full size cars? Presumably, residents using Car2Go are doing so in place of owning their own vehicles. I think you could make a counter argument pretty easily: “By occasionally using a Car2Go, I’m creating more street parking, more often than I would if I had my own car.”

    • We sold our second car and this is exactly what I do. And guess what I don’t live in Silver Spring. As a matter of fact his note doesn’t even make sense. Cars can’t be parked outside the city without paying for them the entire time so why would Silver Springers,?Silver Springees? Silver Sprungs? San Diegons be driving them for the most part anyway?

      • No, it makes plenty of sense. Silver Spring lies just across Eastern Avenue. I live in Silver Spring a block outside of DC and I love using Car2Go, since there are usually cars within a short walking distance.

        • But the fact that you live in SS is no reason to judge you or make you a second class person in DC. Good for you, using a convenient car service for your travels. You go Glen Coco.

  • Wow that is rich indeed. What a NIMBY loon. “Residential ettiqute” for on street parking you don’t own? Jeez DC residents feel so entitled to curbside parking it’s so godammn nauseating.

    • Silver Spring is in Maryland, not DC. The author of the note is a Maryland resident.

      • Oops, my bad. it was in DC… Sorry, so it was a DC resident. The note was nauseating, but it is not representative of how all DC residents feel about parking.

  • “You Silver Spring transients are ruining our neighborhood” … Come on, this has to be a joke

  • If more people choose to forgo owning a car in favor of a car sharing service then it’s a win for all neighbors. Fewer personal cars means fewer cars fighting for parking spaces.

    • Yeah, then the prices on car rentals + public transit can skyrocket well beyond the current cost of ownership because then there will be a monopoly on transportation and everyone wins when a catastrophe involving evacuation occurs! -Said no one ever.

  • Am I missing something? Yes, it is probably annoying if C2Gs are taking up a lot of the available parking. But if it is a public street, then anyone should be able to park there, “ugly little car” or no. Unless they are blocking a driveway, I’m not seeing any etiquette breach.

    • My guess is they leave their car2gos there in mass and walk across the maryland border. You can’t park and leave a car2go in silverspring. Though, leaving a note, given the person who takes the car will probably not be the person who parked it there seems silly!

  • What a jerk. That person doesn’t own the street, it’s a shared public resource. They’re bringing down the neighborhood more than anyone else.

  • I heard of this debate in Brookland and Eckington. It is ridiculous. These cars are rarely parked more than 1 hour in a single spot.
    The option is worse, own a car and leave it parked for days on end?
    Plus, the front of your house is not your private parking spot. Sorry, urban living.

  • Funny, I didn’t think we had the privilege under standards of “residential etiquette” to determine who can and cannot park in the public spaces in front of our homes.

  • An explanation of what’s behind the note would be helpful. I don’t fully understand and am left to guess.

    • Not the OP, but if I had to guess, the letterwriter thinks that people are using the fact that they can park Car2Go in residential parking areas of any neighborhood to drive to their street and then walk to work in nearby Silver Spring. It’s much an abuse of the Visitor Parking Pass to get street parking near work. Hard to guess the actual magnitude of the problem, but I would imagine folks are especially sensitive on these streets along Ward/city boundaries.

    • I am going to assume one or two cars is not the issue, it sounds like a lot of people are doing this and that users are using this neighborhood as a temporary drop off and pick up station as a secret and easy way to get around restrictions that may exist nearby. If this is the case, it is more than just a little rude – particularly if it isn’t a one-off and many people are doing it AND they aren’t residents of DC but Maryland.

      • It’s not “rude.” It’s the reality of commuting in a city. It’s also not illegal.

        • +1. Totally not “rude.” It’s only “rude” if you think you own the street in front of your house.

      • I’m with Anon. This is rude (if it’s as hypothesized). A bunch of C2G cars unnecessarily turning someone’s neighborhood into a commuting lot? They could ask C2G to expand the range of service (that’s what makes this obnoxious — artificially created problem. Some responsibility on subscribers).

        Anyone would object if all the parking in their neighborhood was taken over by some private for-profit company. It’s one thing to change parking norms and fairly price a scant resources. This is different.

        • This. Each individual driver is every bit as entitled to park there as any resident of the block is, but when all of a sudden there are like 10 Car2Go’s lined up on residential block of single family homes, I have no difficulty sympathizing with a homeowner who just wants to say “what the f*?” I’m not accusing any individual driver of any wrongdoing here, and the letter-writer is acting a little bit like a four-year-old, but collectively, the business of Car2Go is clearly, even if inadvertently, imposing a lot on the residents of this block. (As noted below, I don’t have a horse in this race – I own a house with my own driveway yet have no car to park in it – just trying to see this from the neighbor’s perspective, which in this case I don’t find particularly difficult to do.)

  • This is what happens when townie transplants move to DC… Even though I hate smart cars myself, owning a house doesn’t entitle you to ownership of parking spaces that exist outside of it’s boundaries.

    • Nah, my guess is the person who wrote this note is a DC native. (Witness the constant battles over church parking in neighborhoods where many people who have moved out to MD come back every Sunday morning for services.) But yes, people who live in that neighborhood live there because it resembles the suburbs, and they want it to stay that way.

    • Obviously we’re all speculating but this note sounds a lot more like the DC natives I know than the transplants.

    • It’s likely that the townie transplants are the ones parking the car2gos.

  • I want to know where this note was found. I have a c2g membership, and nothing but time on my hands today. I’m also in a terrible mood and feel like ruining someone’s day. Please OP, reveal the location.

  • Some people just aren’t capable of being logical.

  • I would love to see an organized Car2Go protest in response to this note. Just imagine – a whole block full of C2Gs!

    • i feel a car2go flashmob coming on.

      • austindc

        lol, I feel like we would need the whole fleet to even begin to inconvenience anyone! those things take up barely any space, and they always seem to get tucked between people who parked too far apart anyway.

        • probably also why they are pissed off. the C2G is parked a little too closely to their 10 year-old Acura.

  • Yes, we’ve had this debate on our listserv (in Mt Pleasant). It caused a lot of comments and eye-rolling, but I think the consensus landed somewhere on the side of “the complainer is being kinda ridiculous.”

    • off topic but how do you get on the mt pleasant list serve. I only know of the yahoo group and its mostly farmers market related topics…

  • I’m trying to wrap my head around this. Yes, I get that it’s annoying when someone parks in front of your house, especially if your house is not very big to begin with. My parents live in Leesburg and their neighbors have half a dozen cars for some reason and usually end up in “their” space. But seriously?? Those cars are tiny and the person obviously doesn’t even own it (meaning that even if it is parked in “their” space, it’s temporary). Residential etiquette? How about not telling other people what to do in a public space? Or if you’re going to do it, at least say please. And the last sentence is just so ridiculously rude and elitist. So what if someone is from Silver Spring, or Chantilly, or anywhere else? I don’t understand why so many people I meet place all their value in you on where you’re from.

  • So….do the residents who live on streets with Zone “x” ONLY (For example, around Columbia Heights, Kenyon Street) have the more equal rights to park there? Those are public streets paid for by public dollars as well….

    Why do they get special treatment?

    • Because you have to pay to have a zone added to your registration sticker.

    • Because otherwise the commercial businesses at DCUSA would be taking all the residential street parking 24/7. And that’s because they won’t put up decent signs directing people to their parking garage. Also because the traffic design to get people in and out of the garage is crap.

      • And people are entitled little children who double park in front of DCUSA because there’s absolutely no police or parking enforcement attention paid to bike lanes.

  • Smilla

    What a horrible sense of entitlement that note-writer has. It is only a breach of etiquette in this awful person’s mind. Agree with other comments that a Car2Go is better for the neighborhood than a privately owned car.

    I feel the same way about people who block off parking spots on the street that they’ve shoveled out in the winter. Once you move your car, it becomes free game for anyone else to park there. It is inefficient to leave spots vacant while you’re out and about.

  • lol what? I can’t stand how SUVs look, should I complain about all the SUVs parked in front of residential buildings?

    • austindc

      seriously! I think most cars are ugly, but I don’t crap my pants every time one parks in front of my house! only once in awhile now.

  • I can’t help noticing that nowhere in the note does it say that the presence of the Cars2Go actually made it not possible to find a parking spot.

    That said, the kind of people who write notes like this are also the kind of people who run for ANC commissioner, and Car2Go could win some preemptive goodwill with DC if it looked into providing some lot parking in this area for Silver Spring folks who are using the service and walking across the border.

  • Couple of things:
    1) People that work in downtown silver spring park here because it’s just over the border into DC. There’s a handful of people who commute this way intermittently (e.g. when it’s raining), both with Car2Gos and with privately owned cars (it’s Zone 4). As a result there are sometimes an ususual number of smart cars clustered in this neighborhood (like 10-12 in a couple of block radius).

    2) The note is ridiculous. If you don’t like street parking buy a house with off street parking (there are lots in that neighborhood), or pay for monthly garage parking.

    3) That neighborhood contains some loons. A woman yelled at me because I parked my car legally on the street, but it was blocking “her sidewalk.” Not her driveway, but the little paved area that crosses from the sidewalk across the 3 feet of grass to get to the street. It was a handicap ramp, just a regular sidewalk. Crazy.

    4) I think some of the older residents in this neighborhood moved there before Silver Spring “took off” and they are bitter than their once super quiet neighborhood is now on the outskirts of condo/highrise apartment hell.

  • Breach of residential etiquette = parking in your private spot either in your backyard or driveway

  • If this person is really THAT angry about having car2go cars on his or her block, they should get a membership and turn a negative into a positive. I WISH I had an abundance of car2go’s on my block (and I do have my own car which I park on the street, but I also have a car2go membership because sometimes it’s more convenient!).

  • That block needs to post some “Reserved — Wahmbulance Parking” signs.

  • Interesting, I just checked and there is only 1 car2go in like a 10 block area up there right now. So it can’t be that bad with people parking in DC and walking across the MD line. Maybe we need a DC-MD DMZ.

    • Two reasons:

      1) Nice day (more people walked or biked)

      2) Friday (flex day for a lot of people)

      As I said, it’s intermittent, but there are definitely days where you’ll see 4 car2go parked within 50 yards of each other.

  • They can’t block their driveways, but of course they can park in front of their houses, as long as it’s a legal space. “Ugly little cars” sounds like Mrs. Howell from Gilligan’s Island.

  • Random question. Car2Go is like Zip car, but you can leave them anywhere, correct? Are they zoned for certain areas or can you pick up in Zone 1 and park in zone 4

    • You can leave them anywhere (with some common sense exceptions). They have “Zone 9” stickers.

    • Can park anywhere in DC that is legal street parking (and not in NPS managed lands).

    • They’re zoned for all areas – and, free meter parking. You just can’t park them in rush hour zones.

      But, for those who may think the letter writer pays DC taxes while the MD car2go users don’t (not that there seems to be a lot of sympathy for the letter writer), car2go pays the city a hefty sum for those all-zone parking privileges.

    • austindc

      You also pay by the minute instead of the hour. Think of it like a taxi that you drive yourself–a one way trip most anywhere in the district. They also have limits to how much they will bill you in an hour and in a day too, and you can keep they key with you and use it for a round trip like Zipcar if you are so inclined–you just pay for the time spent in the stopover.

  • I am someone who regularly parks on that very block with a car2go because I have a close relative who lives nearby. I drive the car from central DC up to Eastern Avenue and 14th St, drop it off, and then walk across to the Maryland side. Far from being a “silver spring transient”, I’m actually a DC resident, and I’d guess that many people who use those cars are, as well.
    The street parking is a public resource, paid for not only by all taxpayers but also in part by Car2go. I will continue to park there in the legal spots afforded to me. In fact this message may have even emboldened me to use Car2go more.

  • I got a note like this on my car when I parked in Crestwood. Something about don’t park in my space (on a public street). I just wrote on the back “This is a public street, bucko, I pay for this the same as you” and put it in their mailbox. Went out of my way to park there after that.

  • So related question. Is it common for people who live in DC row houses to consider the spot in front of their house as “theirs”? I’ve lived in DC for 10 years and don’t but have meet (or lived next to) people who very strongly believe that they have rights to the spot in front of their house. I mean I curse when I can’t find parking near my house but mostly I’m cursing at my own dumb luck not at the people parked.

    • Absolutely. I’ve lived in DC for 12 years and while I find it a great bonus to get parking right in front of my house, I in no way believe I am entitled to it. Thankfully I live on a very non-contentious block because almost everyone has off-street parking (though most of us do utilize street parking too).

    • I would rather have the amenities that come with random parker’s nearby (i.e., restaurants and bars that others feel are worth going to) and the inconvenience of sometimes having to search for parking then plenty of parking and no amenities. I have a feeling that the situation up where this note was placed is no amenities and no parking, which would def. suck, but such is life.

    • On my block, there’s a courtesy to only park in front of your own house; and if you have more than one car, park the second one elsewhere. Having said that, in my neighborhood there is plenty of “elsewhere” available, so it’s pretty easy for us to do. As far as I know, no one has ever left a note for or had words with someone who violated this “rule” and I don’t think any of us actually consider the spot out front “theirs”. It’s just a neighborly courtesy.

    • I think it depends on the block. When I moved to a relatively quiet block with little traffic a few years ago, I found there was tremendous respect among neighbors to only take up the area in front of their houses. I’ll back my car up to ensure my next door neighbor with a kid in a car seat has sufficient room to park.

      But, I don’t get mad if someone else doesn’t. And, when I lived closer in, there were no expectations that anyone would even give parking in front of my house a second thought.

    • It’s not unique to DC or row houses. I used to have a kinda old Ford Bronco I used for taking things to art shows. It wasn’t unusually unsightly beyond being very old. But I once came back to it to find a note on it from the suburban homeowner saying they were having people over for dinner and they’d like me to move it. Since I drove it sporadically that time had passed days before, which made me smile. I resisted the urge to park it there again when I came back from my errand but my desire to be closer to home to schlep things in was greater than my desire to jerk their chain.

    • i have met some older people who think this way, and more commonly in more “suburban” upper NW neighborhoods. these are mostly unattached houses, not row, with tiny or nonexistent driveways. i “get” why they might be upset – if they are older and have to walk farther to their house, etc, but unless you qualify for a handicap space in front of your house, i agree with everyone else – a public street is a public street.

      meanwhile i’ve lived in dc for 5 years with a car, all of them in bloomingdale or adam’s morgan, and have always parked on the street…in these more centrally located neighborhoods i haven’t come across anyone who had strong feelings about the spot in front of their house. or at least not who vocalized those feelings to me or on a listserv…

      • Yeah, I suspect that people who live in neighborhoods where parking is already competitive have no expectations about being able to park right in front of their own houses. Only people in further-out neighborhoods where parking is ample (or was ample until recently) could have any expectations of those sorts.
        I guess where there’s a culture clash is neighborhoods where there _used_ to be an informal rule of “don’t park in front of someone else’s house,” but where parking is now more in demand.

      • yep. An older woman across the street from me in Brightwood gave me a 10 minute lecture about respecting “her” spot on “her” side of the street, how she’s lived there 40+ years, etc. etc. and even went so far as to call me hostile for parking there… if she had a designated handicap space, it would be different, but this is all public street parking.

        We have three cars to one house, so I can almost never park right in front of it. No matter what, one of us is usually going to be taking someone else’s “spot.” These grumps just don’t get it… public parking is public parking. Suck it up.

        • Yes, where I grew up in upper NW if someone parked in front of my parent’s house you’d think they’d thrown a bucket of paint on the porch. I am not saying it’s right, just saying that’s definitely been the long-time mentality.

        • I basically accept your point, but it wouldn’t surprise me if in the event that you had been there for 40 years and had always been able to park your one car in front of your house, and then a brand new neighbor with a whole bunch of cars moved in and started parking them where you’d been parking yours since the 1970’s, you might be annoyed, too. Your neighbor certainly did a poor job of communicating with you about the issue, but there’s more to peaceful coexistence than just not breaking laws.

          • I should’ve clarified… we have two families in a basement apt + house, not just one “new neighbor with a whole bunch of cars.” And I do try not to park in front of her house, I only parked there once or twice before she gave me the lecture. But yeah, sometimes it’s just inevitable, someone is gonna take her “spot” every once in a while, and people have to get used to change.

    • I live on the Hill and grew up in a city and while I don’t consider the spot right in front of my door as my spot, I am mildly proprietary for a bit of the block on the front and side of my house though I don’t go yelling at people.

      I will say that part of the block next to my house was unzoned up until a year or so ago and there were many, many Maryland, VA, and other state (and they were registration scofflaws for DC, VA, or MD) drivers who knew that that several blocks around my house house include the one next to my house was unzoned and parked there to walk to the Metro. They didn’t seem to have any trouble with the behavior – I assume there was some word of mouth that went out to let people know where these unzoned areas were. I always thought that they would most likely the first to yell and yell the loudest, if this was done in their own neighborhood.

      It has since been zoned and maybe now those out of state drivers will contribute DC treasury by paying to park, though I suspect they just found some other area.

    • I feel like everyone is answering as if their household only has one car. I live in a row house and three of us have cars – even if we all felt like we were entitled to the spot directly in front of our house, not all of us could do so so SOMEONE would have to park elsewhere – likely in a neighbor’s “entitled spot”

    • Rather than park right in front of my own walkway, I usually try to park reasonably close to the car in front of/behind me on the street. Seeing unusable half-car lengths between parked cars is way more obnoxious to me than not getting “my” spot!

  • I actually kind of agree with the premise of the letter… sounds like there are an inordinate amount of Car2Gos on that block simply because its right over the border. As a Car2Go member, I absolutely love the service (took it today), but if Car2Go can get permission to operate in MD the way they did in ARL, think issue should solve itself.

    • I don’t think this would work unless MD was a separate fleet from DC. Even then, I suspect that Montgomery County is too big with not enough population density (in places) to make it work. The fleet of cars would have to be huge.

      And even if Car2Go existed in MD, if you couldn’t take them over the border (well, park them over the border) then this problem would still exist.

    • I don’t think Car2Go operates in Arlington with the exception of being able to operate at Tyson’s Corner on Thanksgiving Weekend. Has there been an expansion announcement?

    • In other cities, C2G has permanent “parkspot” arrangements with garages outside the home area — rather like the Tyson’s at Xmas arrangement. These are in places like Miami Beach, Austin’s airport, and Red Rocks ampitheater, which are outside the usual C2G “home zone.” I’m sure there would be enough origin/destination traffic to/from Silver Spring to warrant such an arrangement here.

  • Man, I wish about this whole residential etiquette rule when people were parking in front of my place on 17th Street for the 8 years I lived there. Would have been so much easier to pull that card then search around for spots all the time.

  • By “Silver Spring transients”, could the author be referring to people who don’t live on their block, but use it as their own commuter parking garage? If it’s the case that people drive from their house that is not walking distance to public transportation, park in this neighborhood, and then hop on the metro to commute to work, then the author has a legitimate gripe in terms of etiquette. Probably their only legal recourse is to convince their ANC or whomever has the ability to change the permit requirements for their neighborhood.

    • Why is this a problem? If you have a Zone 4 sticker (or a Car2Go) you have as much right to park there as the people that live in that neighborhood.

      • Not to say that I agree or disagree with the following, but something can be legal but still be a dick move. Nobody is claiming that using a residential street as a commuter parking garage is illegal, but I can understand why a resident might hold the opinion that it is a dick move, whether I happen to agree with that opinion or not.

        • So the dick move here results in them getting more exercise? Again, the street is not their property. If they want a guaranteed place to park, buy or rent one. I did and it’s fantastic.

          • I don’t have a horse in this race. I own a house with off-street parking, and I don’t own a car. My point is just that there is more to peaceful coexistence than being within one’s rights. I haven’t made up my mind regarding my opinion of the situation or of the letter-writer, and that isn’t central to my point anyway. My point is just that “I’m within my rights so you can go fvck yourself” is a childish attitude.

          • “Don’t park on a public street because you are in my neighborhood and I don’t like you” is an equally childish attitude.

          • No disagreement here. I think there are two legitimate sides to this debate, but both sides are doing a rather poor job of representing their interests by invoking childish arguments.

    • Random question re: changing the permit requirements. If I am not mistaken, Car2Gos can park in any residential zone, so changing the requirements would not really do anything unless the “residential zone X parking only” zoned areas did not allow for Car2Go. I assume, however, that Car2Gos can park in the residential parking only areas as well, in which case, these people are SOL. Anyone know about that?

      • i’m curious about this as well. so c2g is allowed to park on streets that are allotted on one side to “x zone only?

        • Yes. The “Zone 9” permit allows parking in any residential zone, any meter, etc. Car2Go only says that you can’t park in areas with time restrictions, since they can’t guarantee that the car will be moved before that time.

          • the zone 9 permit costs several thousand dollars. The normal zoned RPP costs simply covers the cost of administering the RPP program, it does not go toward maintenance of the spots.

            If anything, these cars pay more money to park on the street than any other car, especially if you consider that many of its drivers pay into the dc general fund just as much as the writer of this note.

    • Oh please. I think anyone who lives near a metro experiences this. I see zone 6 permit parkers who don’t live close to Metro driving into NoMa all the time so they don’t have to walk. They don’t live in the neighborhood, but they’re allowed to park there for as long as they want. Who am I to tell them otherwise? Same thing with this letter writer.

    • So these poor people are inconvenienced by being too close to public transit? This is the tradeoff of living close to amenities. If they want more abundant street parking they should live in a less convenient neighborhood. If anything DC should charge market rate for these commuters.

    • I doubt many people pay $0.41/minute to drive themselves as a regular part of their daily commute.

      Also, Car2Go and Zipcar both have “Zone 9” citywide permits (no ANC can opt out), for which they pay the city almost $3,000/year/car. Per curb foot, that’s about 200X more than this bitter old bat pays. “Residential etiquette” be damned, we car-sharing members are paying far more than our share of the city’s burdens.

      • I don’t do it so I don’t know, but people pay $20 a day to park in lots, so a $5-10 C2G bill might be a better option for them if they are say 1.5-2 miles from a metro.

      • Let’s say you normally walk to work (30 minutes) or talk the metro (15 minute walk, plus metro time), but it’s a five minute drive. Say it’s pouring down rain and there is a car2go in front of your house. That would be worth $2 to me in Car2Go fees to not get soaked on the way to work.

      • “we car-sharing members are paying far more than our share of the city’s burdens”

        No, YOU are not. A private for-profit company is paying that money. You are not paying that money. All “you” are doing is buying a service from a company.

        Please don’t attempt to take credit for something you are not doing.

        And do not attempt to fool anyone: this is not “car-sharing”. It is car renting. That a company has co-opted the word “share” in place of the word “rent” is sad. That adults are buying into the fallacy is even more sad. You are renting a car. A group of 4 people that own 1 car and pay for the entirety of its usage is “car-sharing”.

      • ” we car-sharing members are paying far more than our share of the city’s burdens.”

        Nope. You do not pay anything to the city. A company does. Nice try though.

      • Would you care to please explain how you pay more than your fair share.

        (is this an acceptable post now?)

        • OK, so 2 posts don’t show up and then they do… this is very strange”

        • The price of the RPP covers only the cost of administering the RPP program. It does not go toward construction and maintenance of the public street parking.

          I am a DC resident and homeowner. I do not have a car. I pay into the general fund, which pays for the public street parking which everyone who parks in public street parking can utilize.

          If I were also to drive C2G, I’d be paying a private company enough to cover their costs, one of which is a $3,00 parking permit. DC is making more money per linear foot on C2G cars than any other vehicle in DC.

          If DC were to charge the same $30 for C2G, you might have an argument.

          • Nope. The argument is perfectly valid.

            You pay taxes into a general fund.
            DC has a residential parking program and the fee is 30$ for the ability to park in your ward on public streets.
            You choose not to have a car.
            As you have chosen not to have a car, you are ineligible for a parking permit.
            The company that owns c2g pays a set fee for parking privileges in DC that covers all 8 wards – which is something citizens cannot do (unless they have the Rose licences, but that’s a whole different conversation).
            No person who uses c2g pays more than their share. You pay your share. A company pays the associated fees they must pay to operate in the district.

  • “You Silver Spring transients”. HA!

  • I used to park car2gos on portal drive just over the border in DC when I lived in Silver Spring. Once had a person come out and yell at me for parking there. I tried to explain to her that I was legally parking there, but she refused to listen. I ended up walking away and she continued to yell.

    I think car2go needs to do some outreach to neighborhoods and let them know that these are just like any other car and not to mention, likely wont be in one place for long.

    • “Likely won’t be in one place for long?” That holds up in the higher-density, younger-population areas, but if you park one of those in Takoma/Shepherd Park/Crestwood, it’s a pretty safe bet that it’ll probably be there until the person who parked it there in the first place uses it again.

      • Not so much anymore. That was the case when Car2Go first started (it was like having your own private smartcar!) but now even in some of the low density areas you mention there is high turnover.

  • Cars2Go practice of parking four of five cars on one block is disrespectful. This practice and the bike culture in DC is extremely oppressive reeks of the gentrification and PRIVILEGE.

  • So, not validating the note but giving some perspective, on many of the blocks up in 16th Street Heights, Colonial Village, Shepherd Park, etc., you get sort of used to the fact that you don’t have to park your car 5 blocks away from your residence because there usually is ample parking. You usually get to park in front of your house or no more than 2 houses away. So, when all of a sudden there isn’t ample parking or when the spot in front of your house is consistently taken, you tend to say “what the hell.” Trust that I’ve felt that way. After living in Ward 1 for many years and then moving to Ward 4, you tend to lose your perspective. But, then I sit there and say “damn it, I’ve got a serious case of first world problems.” That’s what’s going on here.

    It’s city living. If you don’t like it, move to the suburbs.

    • People should consider themselves lucky that they are allowed to get residential street parking at all (and for only $35 per year!)! I don’t care if you have to walk a few blocks. That is incredibly cheap and convenient in an urban environment.

      • pffft… 35$ still more expensive than Baltimore (20).

        People should also be lucky they are allowed to lock their bikes to bike corrals and city street signs. Back in the day, you were not allowed to lock you bike to street sign posts.

        Most major cities have RPP programs. It is a service to residents.

        “I don’t care”… good to know 😉

    • I find the “move to the suburbs” comment ironic in that most people who use this line think of neighborhoods like Shepherd Park as the suburbs.

  • Cars2Go practice of parking four of five cars on one block is disrespectful. As a lifelong resident and home owner in DC this practice along with the bike culture in city is extremely oppressive, reeks of the gentrification and PRIVILEGE. This is a symptomatic of neighborhoods undergoing socioeconomic change, in order to attract and serve a new demographic who demands convenience.

    • Geez, time to “check your privilege” as a homeowner and car owner, which are “privileges” not available to the lumpenproletariat. (See, I can use even bigger left-wing words than you!) And what’s more convenient than asserting a right to free parking right outside your home?

    • Talk to your ANC Rep Andy Harris.

    • Cars2Go aren’t parking the cars. People are. Riding bikes and using public transportation isn’t oppressive. Oppressive isn’t having 6 different types of ways to move about the city. Are you for real? This city is changing altogether. In mostly positive ways. Go spend a few months in Detroit,Gary Indiana, or one of the hundreds of 3rd world countries then come back to DC and realized YOU are privileged. Perspective is everything. You have none.

    • Sounds like you should be thanking us instead of blasting us. You’re welcome.

    • “new demographic”? Please be more precise.

  • It used to drive my old roommate crazy when our neighborhood was filled with cars that were driven down and parked in U St area so the drivers could hop on the metro….. this was back in the day the green line stopped at U St and there was so little parking enforcement.

    Times change and issues remain the same.

    I can see how having an entire block taken up with c2g cars would be annoying. So I’ll consider the note a little “Resident Rant or Revel” of the old school variety.

  • What a waste of pen and paper – just do what I do! When a Car2Go is parked in “my” space I just pick it up with my left hand and put it down in someone’s else’s

  • Give me STRENGTH! Clearly the individual(s) that wrote this, have WAYYY too much time on their hands. A bunch of busy bodies who think they own the neighborhood. Oh, and who wrote this? I don’t see a signature and contact info. I would say to the Author of this letter to GET A LIFE, YA WRECK!

  • Eh – the only appropriate response is, “Hahahahahaha!” and the note goes into the trash.

    • couldn’t agree more – yet 161 comments on Popville later would suggest that a lot of people have as much time on their hands as the letter writer.

  • That’s definitely old person handwriting.

  • Ugly, sure. But what the note-writer is actually advocating is for people to own, rather than share, cars, which would mean a larger number of larger cars on their street. So, pretty dumb request.

    The bigger issue, of course, is that this has nothing to do with parking or car colors. It’s about the rapid pace of gentrification (Silver Springers can’t actually drive Car2Gos, since they’re confined within the District line). Instead of lower middle class and middle class folks fighting over the scraps of the city, we should be focusing our rage on the rich pricks Manhattanizing the place and pushing all of us out.

    • I’m pretty sure this particular argument has almost nothing to do with gentrification (I’m guessing you’ve never been to Shepherd Park) are more to do with relatively affluent people not liking change.

    • “But what the note-writer is actually advocating is for people to own, rather than share, cars”

      No they aren’t. did you not read the post?

  • JustinBC, are you alive?

  • Next time, come park your car2go in front of my house in Shaw! Nothing sucks more than having to walk four or five blocks to get to one of these things in the rain when I need one…

  • Sounds like the author does not like change. But change is part of life.

    • True. And putting aside the issue at hand, the sooner the letter writer realizes that the only constant is change, the sooner s/he will have realized some personal growth.

  • I once had a neighbor threaten me with physical violence for parking in front of her house on a public non-zoned street, in a neighborhood where every house has a driveway and carport. I am a 5′-10″ 185lbs man, she’s probably 5′-3″ 140 lbs but still felt the need to threaten me. I just laughed and told her the property line starts at the edge of the sidewalk and walked away. Fast forward to a few months later, another neighbor saw me parking in front of her house and came out to request politely that I move my car because her daughter is pregnant and uses the spot closest to the house, I gladly moved my car and congratulated her and her daughter on the child/grand child.

    I wonder if the douche that put this note on the car just tried to talk to the car2go users explaining WHY he/she thinks they are entitled to a public parking spot.

  • Only when it snows and I’ve dug out a spot and marked it with a deck chair ala Pittsburgh!
    Seriously, please bring all your Car2Gos to my block in Petworth. When I am running late to work, or in a hurry to get home after, nothing beats having a bunch of Car2Gos less than a block away. And a bus line. And a Metro 15 minutes walk. And a BikeShare station. And my own car parked in back. And feet. Car2Go rocks. Except when you go out of your way to walk to one, miss the bus you could have taken, and the card reader doesn’t work, leaving you shivering in the snow and late for work.

  • Residential etiquette depends on the block you live on. When I moved to Park View 9 years ago, it was clear that the practice on my block was for people to park in front of their houses when possible. But no one was leaving passive aggressive notes on the windshields of cars that violated that practice. Knock on wood, I have been able to park on my block probably 90% of the time and in front of (or 1 or 2 houses from) my house at least 70% of the time. I try not to leave my car in front of anyone else’s house for an extended period of time (more than 2 or 3 days) if I can help it.
    I think there is less of an issue when street cleaning is in effect because you have to move your car at least twice a week. But when there is no street cleaning, a car can sit in the same spot for weeks or months.

    • Where are you in Park View? (I’m at the northern end, where many people park in front of their own houses but there are just too many people/cars to do that all the time.)

  • Honestly, the note writer should just join car2go. Then he or she could just move the car out of the way. You can’t do that with a privately-owned car, can you?

  • Sounds like that neighbor is upset because s/he didn’t get the special new car2go black card.

  • While I deplore the tone of the letter, I have a great deal of sympathy for the letter writer whose neighborhood and quality of life have been negatively impacted by people who value legal rights over neighborly consideration, and the prosperity of business interests and convenience over kindness. If this woman is complaining about a neighbor using a car2go, then I think she needs to calm down, and the neighbor needs to realize and respect the tradition of many decades of being able to park in front of one’s own house. If, as many have speculated, this is about large numbers of cars using the neighborhood as a parking lot as they sprint their way to Silver Spring, then I hope that legislation can address this, since, obviously, courtesy has not. No, she doesn’t own the street. But that doesn’t mean that it should be perfectly okay — as long as it’s legal — to treat a low scale neighborhood as a parking lot.
    Acknowledging the inevitability of change should not be synonymous with discourtesy.

  • I used to go to school with a girl whose family lived somewhere off of North Portal Drive up on the Gold Coast. Her father drove a cab to make extra money but some of the neighbors didn’t like the fact that he parked the cab on the street. They thought it brought down the neighborhood. They took their grievances before the neighborhood association and lost. I just thought, wow, really a cab. People are complaining about a cab parked on the street, not the fact that the man is trying to provide for his family but that he parked his cab on the public street.

    • i’m pretty certain its illegal to park a commercial vehicle on the street.

      • Hmm… I think there’s a cabdriver who lives on my street, because I always see the same cab parked hither and thither. I’ve never seen it with a ticket, so I’m not sure if that’s correct.

  • 1. this person does not understand car2go and 2. you can’t take car2go to silver spring. The self-righteous person who wrote this annoying note needs to step back and contemplate the real problems in the world.

  • We landed this car2go last night to/fro the nats game. I felt mildly close to fame and in-the-know!!! Thanks, PoP. Oh, and whoever wrote the note is a d-bag. I will give them credit – they’ll at least get some good laughs from future riders in that car. 🙂

  • SkeptiDC

    You could park 10 car2go cars in the space of 3 full size cars, so is this really an issue? Would this person be upset if 3 new people parked their cars on her street? AND that’s if there’s really that many car2go cars being parked there, which it doesn’t even sound like is happening. This person is an idiot.

    • Actually it DOES sound like that’s what’s happening as people headed for Silver Spring conveniently create their own parking lot in a low density residential neighborhood. Maybe you should investigate before calling people names.

    • Let me restate that, just to make sure I understood it properly. I hear you saying, “I don’t know anything. But I think X. And if X, then Y. And then maybe Z, but I don’t know, because I don’t know much. But yeah, Z. Therefore, this person is an idiot.” Good thinking. Got it. Glad we were able to put that one to bed.

  • You live in a city. Unless you have a private driveway, you have NO CLAIM on street parking outside of your home. None. It’s annoying as hell to park around the corner from your house, but that’s what you signed up for.. Take your gripe to the dang company instead of this passive aggressive bullsh*t note…

  • I’m a stickler for privacy, but I think I’d be hard-pressed not to defecate on this woman’s front lawn.

  • The most logical response to this nonsense- one that would provide great national benefit- would be to nuke this entire metro area back to the Stone Age and start all over.* **

    *Um, to all Fort Meade denizens and associates, this is intended as a sick joke, dark humour

    **I’ll be right back; someone is knocking insistently at my d…

  • Super late in the conversation, but I know that street as a friend of mine lives right off there. I have count something like 7 of these cars parked one after the other on that street. it looks like a shriner’s convention over there!

  • What makes a Car2Go any different than any other parked on the road. People honestly need to direct their energy to something constructive, rather than just being A-holes.

    • the issue seems very similar to the complaints made by those living near metro stations when they can’t find parking spots but see lots of maryland cars taking up spots.

  • Please, please park your Car2Gos in front of my rowhouse in 16th St Heights as I hate having to walk several blocks to find one.

  • it is a bit messed up that the private business, Car2Go, has basically left the edges of the city as a buffer zone that are used as drop off points for cars that can’t park beyond the borders.

    everyday i drive though a residential street right off of eastern and in the evenings or early mornings there are 5 or 6 cars on a block with very few houses, clearly marylanders using it as their parking spot. yes, its legal, and on the street i drive by it’s not a hardship it seems, but i can see how it would be a huge problem if you needed to park on the street and people using the services of a business were causing you problems.
    especially considering that you probably live on the edge of the city because you wanted a more suburban area.
    i guess when i hear the complaints of dc residents, i listen, even if they sound a bit absurd at first.

  • It is impossible to say where this note started. I got into a car2go a little more than three weeks ago around 14th and Newton and saw this exact note folded on the dashboard inside the car. I have a feeling it has been riding around in that particular car for at least a month. Who knows exactly where the car was when the note was first left on the windshield.

    • It’s pretty clear — the OP found it _on_ (not inside) a Car2Go that was “parked at 14th and Roxanna St. NW, near Eastern Ave. and downtown Silver Spring, MD.”
      This thread was published July 18, so presumably the note was found July 17 or shortly before.

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