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Due to Safety Concerns “The Midlands will be strictly 21 and over except Monday to Thursday from 4pm until 8pm”

by Prince Of Petworth April 18, 2017 at 10:15 am 240 Comments

midlands block
3333 Georgia Ave, NW (left hand side)

Thanks to a reader for the heads up in this morning’s rant/revel – from The Midlands:

“Since we opened in November we have met many wonderful people in the community and we love that The Midlands has become a gathering place for the neighborhood. Watching the garden filled with adults, dogs and children is a wonderful sight. Sadly, we need to change our rules regarding children. We didn’t come to this decision lightly because we understand how difficult it can be for parents to find a place where their whole family is welcome. We know this because some our best friends and employees are parents. We know all you want is a relaxing place to bring your kiddo and enjoy a drink with your friends, but unfortunately there are safety concerns that have been brought to our attention.

Our main concern is the safety and welfare of our patrons, so starting today The Midlands will be strictly 21 and over except Monday to Thursday from 4pm until 8pm. At 8pm we will ask parents to take their little ones home. We apologize for the policy change, but we are doing this before a child is injured, which is the worst case scenario for everyone.”

  • textdoc

    Break out the popcorn!

    • TX2DC

      It’s gonna get ugly quick…

    • Formerly ParkViewRes

      LOL, I know right. When I saw this last night I was like oh boy! I had no clue it was a popular place to take children, but then again I have only been once.

      • MadMax

        I really don’t understand bringing children to bars. Restaurants OK whatever, kids gotta eat, but a bar? That just seems irresponsible on your part and disrespectful to everyone around you. What are the odds they get mad when someone swears around the precious too?

        • Formerly ParkViewRes

          I don’t know, but every time I went to Meridian Pint there were lots of babies there. It seems to be a thing these days. Midlands doesn’t strike me as the place to bring kids though. I mean kids don’t go to the other beer gardens in town do they?

          • MadMax

            I’ve seen a few kids at The Brig before (probably kids going to Nats games or touring Eastern Market area with parents), but never personally seen them at Dacha, Sauf Haus, Standard, or Beirgarten Haus.

          • anon

            Yes. Beer gardens tend to have a ton of kids in them. It is definitely a thing. Check out Wundergarten sometime.

          • Anon

            lol, naw, thanks… that’s even less of an incentive to check out Wundergarten.

          • saf

            But at Meridian Pint, the kids are allowed in the dining room upstairs, but not in the bar downstairs.

          • Andie302

            I watched a drunk guy at Dacha step on the fingers of his friends kid that was crawling around on the ground recently

          • JH

            Young kids totally go to Biergarten, with strollers parked, and it can get pretty crowded.

          • MadMax

            Definitely not saying they don’t go there, just that I’ve never seen them in my visits.

        • dc_anon

          Obviously so called dive bars are out, but lots of bar/restaurants, MP, Boundary Stone, etc are quite kid friendly. Aside from the Sunday Funday crowd the parent/kid crowd tends to occur at a different time than the rowdy/bro crowd. After having a kid, we discovered lots of places you wouldn’t think of as kid friendly are so at 4 or 5pm when you need a drink and before the 730-8pm bed time. Obviously common sense is involved and you don’t go waltzing into a packed drunk beer garden with a 2yo in tow, but if there’s plenty of space and you know the kid’s not gonna sit still for more than an hour (if that) why not?

        • quincycyclist

          A place like the Midlands where you can bring your own food/snacks is pretty good with kids, actually.

          1. Why would it be “irresponsible”? Because kids seeing people drinking is a bad thing?
          2. Why “disrespectful to everyone around you”? How is the presence of a kid disrespectful to you?

          The last one’s a strawman, take it up with someone when they chastise you for swearing. I think most anyone bringing a baby/child at a bar knows there might be some language thrown around.

          • ET

            Just because a grown up “knows” that a place is likely to have people using language one wouldn’t necessarily use in front of children most definitely doesn’t mean they won’t complain about it.

          • Anon NS

            I don’t have a strong stance on babies in bars (“You have a baby! In a bar!”), but –
            “Irresponsible” – does not apply to everyone, but have definitely seen parents not really paying attention to kids in bars. Bars are rowdy environments – just lots of moving people, loud people, drunk people. Not really the most responsible thing to let your 3 year old free roam in that environment. But this applies to some but not all.
            “Disrespectful to everyone around you” – it’s more selfish than disrespectful. But come on – not everyone who goes to a bar wants someone’s screaming toddler one table over. I generally take the view that “we were all babies once,” so if you get annoyed by babies in places there need to be babies (e.g., airplanes), then you kinda suck. But a bar is different. A bar is an adult environment. Listening to a screaming child in a bar is not just part of living in society.

        • A Parent

          Dear MadMax,

          Get bent.

          Sincerely,

          A parent who enjoys bringing his child to a family friendly bar on occasion

          • skj84

            That’s not a very family friendly thing to say. Maybe you should stay away from bars. It seems you’ve picked up some not so nice behavior.

          • A Parent

            What can I say? I don’t take kindly to being told that I’m an irresponsible parent.

          • Anon

            Truth is hard for some to accept, it seems.

          • carol

            for every parent that enjoys bring their kid to a bar, there is an adult who enjoys being at a bar without kids. It seems like there are a lot of places to bring kids in the petworth area, more then there are places where kids are not welcome. So am looking forward to having another outside place where i can go there will just have adults.

          • dcd

            Inelegantly stated, perhaps, but I think this is directed at “just seems irresponsible on your part,” rather than the “disrespectful to everyone around you.” The childless are more than welcome to opine about what is disrespectful, and parents will benefit from their perspective. But telling someone he or she is an irresponsible parent – especially over a minor thing such as this – is a sure-fire way to get that parent’s back up, especially when you don’t have kids yourself, and when the parent in question has young kids and is still feeling their way through parenting. (When your kids get to be older, you just DNGAF about others’ opinions on responsible parenting. I let my daughter do quite a few things many parents consider irresponsible, and don’t let her do just as many things other think are no big deal. Unless it’s a safety issue for my kid, I live and let live.)

          • MadMax

            Re: Irresponsible
            See above/below stories about things happening in bars with children. You’re exposing your kids to an environment where you know for a fact there will be multiple intoxicated people not expecting a kid to be around, because it’s a @#$%ing bar.

          • HaileUnlikely

            FWIW I think dcd makes a good and perfectly valid point here that is completely valid in the general sense, but not to be taken as an absolute. I fear that treating this approach as an absolute is likely a part of what has led the bouncer to have to stop unattended kids from running into Georgia Avenue while others bounce up and down on the bar owner’s motorcycle to the delight of their parents encouraging this behavior and taking pictures. I commented yesterday on an unrelated discussion that as a childless late 30’s guy whose friends are all having kids now, I’m not sure exactly when the prevailing ethic transformed from “it takes a village” to “mind your own GD business,” but I find the extent to which the pendulum has swung toward the latter to be quite jarring, alienating, and likely counterproductive to all.

          • dcd

            Those are examples of parents acting irresponsibly. What you said is that it is definitionally irresponsible for a kid to be at a bar, cause people are drinking there. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course (though you never struck me as a puritan). But I don’t agree that it’s per se irresponsible to take a kid to a bar, as long as you properly supervise them. It sounds like the owners of Midlands agree with me, and only changed the rule because of some bad seeds. And FWIW, If you can come up with a swear my kid hasn’t heard yet, I’ll buy the first beer.

          • dcd

            And let me be clear, the parents who are using Midlands, or any other bar/beer garden/restaurant/coffee shop/etc. as a play area are idiots, and it’s perfectly appropriate for Midlands to ban all kids because of the actions of a few. I was just referring to “you’re irresponsible to have your kid here,” which was somewhat gratuitous and off-topic.

          • Anon NS

            Haile – I never took “it takes a village” to mean its cool to offer unsolicited parenting advice to people all the time.
            .
            If a pendulum has swung, I think it’s because there are so many people/parents with extremely strong views on things that I think of as first world / upper class problems. Like if you feed your kid Doritos from time to time, then you are absolutely poisoning them. So you get these judgy annoying people looking down on other parents, feeling so good about their superiority and how much better THEY parent – and they just can’t help offering the super helpful advise that you make fresh organic snacks for the little ones instead. (That literally may be the worlds worst example, but I think you understand my sentiment.) Honestly, I’m just so sick of everybody with no actual problems getting all worked up about how superior they are for practicing yoga, eating organic, and whatever other bull crap. People really need to mind their own business, and if they want to do all those things in their life then they should have at it. But it doesn’t make them better than anyone else. And it’s super obnoxious to be looking down on everyone else all the time. (Disclosure – I do yoga, eat organic, have no real problems, etc. So it’s not like I hate everyone who does that. I just think there are some holier than thou types. And I think that’s who the “mind your own business” is directed at, because it’s those holier than thou types who feel entitled to pipe up about how someone else’s parenting style isn’t as good as their parenting style.)

          • A Parent

            Since Justinbc/madmax is an expert in, well, everything, he must therefore be an expert in parenting and is a qualified judge of what is and is not irresponsible parenting. Again, Justin, get bent.

          • To DCD

            @DCD:

            I’d love to have your kid next to me at the bar while I explain to people what a rusty trombone is.

          • HaileUnlikely

            There is obviously a difference between “all the time” and “Doritos will poison your kid” and “your unsupervised toddler just face-planted over by the bar/is crawling through broken glass/is about to wander onto Georgia Avenue.” Fear of offending, because everybody is offended by everything, has in some cases demonstrably led kids under the age of 3 to fend for themselves. That’s what I’m talking about here.

          • MadMax

            @DCD, I’m far from Puritanical, I honestly think the drinking age in the US is far too high and should be more like 14 or 15 like it unofficially is in most of Europe, so that people don’t start binging illegaly the moment they get to college. However there are definitely places where I feel a 5 year old shouldn’t be allowed because it’s difficult for a parent to properly supervise them. A rowdy bar would be one of them, as would a firing range, mountain climbing, etc. There are no shortage of restaurants with excellent bar offerings in DC that welcome people of all ages, in fact if you don’t have a good bar program now in DC you likely won’t succeed as a restaurant these days. However, Midlands is more in the category of actual bar, that happens to offer food because some people want it sometimes. The atmosphere really isn’t the same, and patrons there don’t act the same, which is why it’s dangerous for kids. As for swearing, I have no problem with it. But I’ve been confronted multiple times by parents who want me to tone it down because their kids happen to be present, at a bar, to which I obviously just go the opposite direction.

        • babyhaver

          I literally said this, more than once. Then I had kids. Amazingly, my appetite for beer and socializing didn’t disappear overnight. Go ahead and call CPS, I DGAF.

          I have no problem with a bar not allowing kids but it’s odd they have to spell it out – usually the vibe of a place is enough to keep the parents away. I mean, is someone bringing babies to the Raven? Love? Actually if you see a kid in a nightclub at 2AM you should probably call CPS.

  • ANM

    Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

  • Rick Mybars

    I’ve never been here but now will go specifically because of this rule.

  • stacksp

    Curious what the safety concerns are of a 16 year old having dinner with his parents here or is there an underlying ulterior motive here at play?

    • Anon Spock

      Don’t overthink this one. It’s logistically easier to say no to under 21 than to pick some arbitrary cutoff age. They don’t have to accept under 21 as a bar. We know the 16yo is probably not who’s causing issues during peak hours.

    • DSB

      Your child has no business being at a bar after 8 PM. Sorry

      • stacksp

        Not sure how this became about “my child” but hey go for it and swing for the fences….

        • DSB

          You’re right, I’ll restate. Children have no place in a bar after 8 PM anyway. I assumed that we were speaking of your child specifically. My bad.

          • Jay

            That’s… like… your opinion, man. I can think of plenty of circumstances where there’s no problem with “children” being in a bar after 8:00 or *audible gasp* 9:00 or any other arbitrary time.

            Heck, when I was 15, I wanted to watch my hometown hockey team playing in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Since my family had moved out of town (and didn’t have cable), the only place we could find to go watch the game was a sports bar. It was really obnoxious when one or two places wouldn’t let us go and watch the game because I was “too young” (and these weren’t hole-in-the-wall seedy dive bars either, they were TGI Fridays/BWW-esque bar and grill-type places where “rowdy behavior” was my reaction when the bad guys scored and the most salacious thing happening was the Cialis commercial during the intermissions)

          • Anon

            It sounds like your 15yo self would be screwed if Midlands was your only option of catching the game, innit?

      • ENPetworth

        How about noon on a Saturday to eat lunch? Cause that’s when we went previously and it a) wasn’t crowded or remotely full and 2)we needed to eat, and its nice out. I liked this place, but I hope along with the no kids, they have also no dogs policy now too, and that goes for the owners dog, Andy Pants. At least i can wear my kid, pick him up or put him on my lap, you can’t do any of that with a large dog.

        • Hill Denizen

          Honestly, I’d prefer a baby at a bar over a dog. It is not cute for your giant German shepherd to drool and out his dirty paws on the table I’m about to eat on.

    • Fairmont

      Let’s be honest here. It is probably also about allowing for more space for paying customers. They make most of their money off alcohol sales, and if there are a bunch of seats being taken up by people that are too young to drink at peak hours, they could be missing out on potential profit. As a bar, they are allowed to say that nobody under 21 is allowed inside. It also makes it a lot easier for the bartenders to serve people faster if they know everyone in there is over 21, so that they don’t have to check your ID each time you come up to order a beer.

  • MadMax

    Man this place just cannot avoid negative press. What a disaster.

    • What other negative press was there?

      • Formerly ParkViewRes

        I think he means the sign they put on the door about being searched to make sure no one was stealing their glassware? They caught some backlash for it.

        • Ah – I totally forgot about that. I don’t know if I’d call these “negative” press though – the overall reaction to both seem more positive than negative no?

          • Formerly ParkViewRes

            Yep, I agree. Especially this. There are 30 or so likes on the FB post and the comments are positive.

          • MadMax

            Ok, controversy then? I guess positive / negative is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I don’t care, but I expected more parent backlash than exists.

          • The day is young :)

          • MadMax

            (and the majority of the reactions I saw to the bag checking were negative, both here and Reddit, so I was shocked to see them throwing themselves back onto the fire…)

          • Anon

            Eh, I completely forgot that this place exists until seeing this thread. So it’s not working out -that- poorly?

        • FridayGirl

          Oh, interesting. I missed that.

        • john M

          Dacha also has a sign about bag searches for glassware. Sad that the bars are having to resort to this to prevent glass theft.

          • MadMax

            IIRC the Dacha owner commented on the previous post about Midlands and said they now just take IDs when you order a boot.

    • Formerly ParkViewRes

      I think it’s too early to say this is negative press? So far 95% of the reactions I’ve seen are positive and support it.

    • HaileUnlikely

      I imagine they’ll likely quantify the impact of this decision in terms of dollars. I don’t have any idea how that will pan out (very good, very bad, or basically a wash), but I suspect that will likely be their guide going forward.

    • Joro

      I’ve been turned away on a recent Friday evening because they were at capacity. Doesn’t seem like they’re having any issues getting business, at least now that the weather is getting nice, PR issues notwithstanding.

  • AVEnue

    I am very curious to know what incident or worry caused this change. If the concern is drunk adults tripping over/not seeing small children running around, isn’t the same risk likely present with dogs, which are not restricted to certain hours? If the concern is accidentally serving underage college students, isn’t the solution the Sharpie Xs on young adults hands instead of banning toddlers? I don’t have kids, but I think it is a real bummer they didn’t create a few kid-friendly hours on the weekend.

    • stacksp

      Wristbands, Sharpie, etc. It has all been done before. I too am curious as to what has influenced the change. A particular incident of concern was not illustrated.

    • JS

      I too would like to know the incident precipitating this change. Working breweries (3 Stars, for example) manage to allow children in on weekends.
      .
      Having seen the lines to get in here on weekend afternoons, it wouldn’t surprise me if this was driven in part by concerns about children driving up the occupancy load and preventing of-age patrons from entering.

      • Formerly ParkViewRes

        Well, if that’s the case it seems like a business decision. They haven’t even been open for a summer yet so if the lines are already that crazy on the weekends it sounds like it’s going to be insanely busy as it gets warmer.

        • c’mon

          its a business, all its decisions are “business decisions.”

        • Anony

          Lines are crazy because they arbitrarily keep a line outside to make it look like it’s hopping. Reality is that it sometimes busy but bouncer even admitted there really wasn’t a ‘capacity issue’, he was just doing what he was told

          • a local

            they keep a line because their occupancy is lower than they want because of the amount of bathrooms compared to the space. they aren’t permitted to fight it until the end of the year.

    • Rich

      If they have long lines, I’m guessing they would rather have them filled with people who will order profitable alcoholic beverages rather than with children. There are lots of places in DC (& the burbs) that get plenty of parents with their poorly supervised children, so offering an alternative to this will probably given them more business than they lose.

      • Anon

        Yup!

    • Anony

      I call BS. Sat and Sun afternoons aren’t ‘safe’….come on guys

    • Kingman Park It

      I don’t know if this is why they made the change in policy, but I was there recently, and someone dropped a glass on the ground which (obviously) shattered. When someone else went to pick up the glass, the manager got super angry and yelled “Stop touching the glass, there are kids here.”

      I don’t really know how a grown up cutting their hands on glass relates to kids being present, but he seemed to connect the two.

      • Anon

        1. Most bars don’t want patrons picking up broken glass because they could be cut. 2. If you do pick up the big parts of a glass it is much harder for the staff to know that sweeping is needed for the remaining small parts and/or where to sweep (this is where the babies/dogs/people without shoes come into the equation)

  • AB

    This seems reasonable to me…I’ve never been there but my kiddo is out by 7 anyway…

  • Truxton Thomas

    Parent here. Seems pretty accommodating for a beer garden.

    • dcd

      Also a parent, and yeah – it’s entirely reasonable to limit the attendance of non-paying customers at peak hours (nights and weekends). I’ve never been – do they even serve food?

      • Truxton Thomas

        I know nothing more about the Midlands than what I’ve read here and in PoP’s link, but it sounds like they do serve food and it served as a sort of restaurant for some families. Still, it doesn’t seem like many parents are upset because, after all, it’s a beer garden.

        • Joro

          Not really a restaurant, just a beer garden. I think you can buy a few food items there, but you’re also encouraged to bring outside food.

        • Kingman Park It

          No, it is definitely not pitched as a restaurant for families. It’s a beer garden, for sure. I actually don’t recall them serving food, but you can bring your own.

  • PetworthMom

    It’s actually a favorite of ours on Saturday afternoons with kids. I’m sad to see the change.

  • a made man, btw

    Bottom line, the children were stealing the glassware, GTFO!
    Seriously, I don’t blame them. It’s a bar, built around the goal of getting hammered and acting the fool. Parents shouldn’t make it a habit/addiction of bringing their kids to that unsafe and unhealthy environment. Besides, families don’t spend as recklessly on overpriced (and delicious) beer. I say good for Midlands, down with the yuppie stroller mafia. Now the young men may have a fighting chance with the single ladies, too, without all them dreamy dads making them swoon.

    • Rich

      LOL all the way. I’m sure some humorless soul will object and unintentionally inject more humor.

      • Anon

        Uh….

    • stacksp

      Should of wrote the press release lol…..Beer, single ladies, no family sh!t lol

      • Anon

        Hey now, you just created the perfect tweetable summary!

      • Mike Rogers

        Wow, do you make everything about sex? Nice go to argument, but zero equivalency to this argument.

    • Michael Pierce

      Yeah, they’re simply heading off the increasingly litigious parent whose two year old could be crushed by the 300-pound bro stumbling around in a seriously inebriated state with a liter of pilsner in his hand. I’m not sure what it is about big beer gardens like this, but they do seem to encourage serious drunkenness.

      • Anon

        “…liter of pilsner in his hand. I’m not sure what it is about big beer gardens like this, but they do seem to encourage serious drunkenness.”
        .
        I think you’re selling yourself short here.

    • T

      Hahaha +1

    • MadMax

      You mention unsafe…I’ve never been to this bar, but do they allow smoking out there? I definitely wouldn’t bring my kids around that. I was out on Ivy & Coney’s back deck where there’s smoking and wanted to go through a car wash to get clean. Same thing with Jack Rose’s upstairs.

      • skj84

        I went to Jack Rose during CBC last week and had to endure a dude smoking a cigar next to me. I hate cigars. Its such a tight space, why do they allow smoking?!?!

        • FridayGirl

          I wish I could go to Jack Rose, but haven’t been for this exact reason. When I was younger an hour at a smoky bar gave me a month-long sinus infection that took several rounds of antibiotics to get rid of. I can’t.
          .
          In other news, though, I haven’t been outdoors at Midlands where I would guess they’d allow smoking (same as American Ice Co.) but indoors is fine.

        • Bryan

          You realize Jack Rose is also a cigar bar….right? Like you can go in there and order cigars and smoke them upstairs. It is quite lovely. It’s also a main reason why the upstairs has that intense air filtration system and closed roof. So people smoke cigars.

          • AJSE

            It’s a whiskey bar and has always marketed itself as such. Go smoke your cigar outside.

          • skj84

            its not the best if I can smell it and its on my clothes when I leave. Its not so lovely to those of us who get sick at the smell of smoke. If Jack Rose was completely open air it be one thing, but its partly inclosed.

          • Anon

            I too wish there were other whiskey bars in town that prohibited smoking.

          • Kingman Park It

            This isn’t that hard. They literally list their cigars for sale as a selling point on their website:

            http://jackrosediningsaloon.com/cigars/

            If you’re not a fan, that’s fine. They are clearly marketing themselves as a bar in which you can smoke cigars.

        • Jimmy

          Then don’t go upstairs. They advertise the top floor as a cigar bar. Don’t understand why people always need the world catered to them. If you don’t like it, then don’t go there. There are plenty of other establishments that will take your money. So many delicate flowers that want the world according to them.

      • jonah

        Yes they allow smoking outside.

      • Bryan

        Actually skj it is a whiskey and cigar bar. It’s own website has a page for it. Just because you didn’t know this doesn’t make it any less true. If you want to drink your whiskey somewhere else, go ahead. But Jack Rose clearly highlights the fact that they sell cigars and allow cigar and cigarette smoking on the roof. There are many whiskey bars in the district that don’t allow smoking. Go bother them with your service. Don’t try to ruin one of my favorites.

        • FridayGirl

          Bryan, why are you getting so defensive about this? Like personally I’m whatever if people want to smoke cigars outside, but I can see how smoking indoors would be a major turnoff to a lot of people. SKJ and I are both aware that they’re a cigar bar, but I was also surprised when I learned it was essentially indoors and not an open-air space. But also, even if it is in an open-air space, it’s whiskey and cigar bros like you who I really don’t want to be around.

          • Bryan

            I get annoyed when people make statements like “why do they allow smoking?” when that has been their schtick from the get go. I’m annoyed because that aspect is one of my favorite things about the place. If I am going to spend a lot of money on whisky then darnit I would also like to couple it with a cigar and not deal with a peanut gallery.

          • skj84

            I agree with FridayGirl Bryan. Not everyone loves the smell of smoke. Some of us are allergic to it. We aren’t trying to ruin your experiance, but smoking has negative affects on a lot of people. Thats why it bugs me to sit in a mostly inclosed space with smoke wafting around. If Jack Rose had a separate smoking section, or better ventilation I wouldn’t be as bothered by it. But they don’t, so it ruins my experiance to be seated near a smoker.

          • Bryan

            I get that. But there are way more places in DC that cater to your preferences than to mine on this subject. Not every place has to suit your every need. It sucks you have an allergy to smoke and/or dislike the smell. But again, you can’t throw a stone in DC without hitting a cool, hip bar to drink at. And most of them do not allow smoking. If this is really bothersome for you, go there.

          • Stogie

            I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here.

            It’s a whiskey and cigar bar that has a menu dedicated solely to cigars, as well as providing a space with infrastructure in place expressly for the point of smoking cigars and cigarettes and people choose to go there and then complain at the audacity of other people smoking around them. This is incredible.

          • Kingman Park It

            How is this a thing? There are thousands of bars in this city. Only a handful allow smoking inside, but somehow that handful present an issue for people? I don’t like smoking, and it can definitely bother me wen it’s inside. But people who enjoy a cigar with their drink in a bar could very well half to travel halfway across the city to find somewhere to do it.

          • skj84

            goodness you are very triggered about this. Just all up in your feels about people objecting to the smell of smoke. You need to chill dude. Maybe have a whisky or something. So uptight about people not agree with your opinion.

          • Bryan

            Not sure what you mean by triggered here. It’s annoying to see people complain about things that shouldn’t annoy them. Jack Rose is a cigar bar. It has always been one. You don’t go to a gay bar as a straight guy and say, “you know what would really fix this place? Scantily clad women giving out free shots of booze.” You can go almost anywhere in this city and find your whisky while also not smelling smoke. There aren’t many places I can go for whisky and a cigar. Let me have my place.

          • Anon

            skj84 – you’re the one coming off as a petulant child by complaining about cigar smoke after coming to a cigar bar. What stopped you from going downstairs to avoid the smoke? Or getting your friends to head down the street to any one of the other whiskey bars right on 18th? (I even agree with you about the smell of smoke, but for f*cks sake, it’s not all about your special little world.)

        • Anon

          This is all well and good, but I wish CBC and other beer events wouldn’t schedule there, since the events are usually only upstairs. Or that Jack Rose would prohibit smoking during those special beer events.

  • anon

    I’ve been there with kids, and it is the only place that I recall about which I have been concerns about safety. Darts are not for kids. Pool tables are not for kids. I think they could handle this better by restricting those areas, but maybe they don’t feel like policing.

    • anon

      The darts are in a secluded area in the back of the bar on the inside, nowhere near tables or the outside. The pool table is also in the back corner of the bar, by the bathroom. They’re not going to put them in a secure room away from everyone else.

    • Anonymous

      no thats the point no one feels like policing other peoples kids

  • DSB

    To all the people who feel that they need to explain what transpired to make this rule, they don’t owe you an explanation. The business can operate in what ever legal manner they choose too. Just like you have the ability to make a statement with the money you spend or not spend at said establishment. From personal experience, I watched as one of the owners had to stand in the middle of the garden and shout “who’s child is this!?!” to find the parents of a 3 year old that tried to walk out. Maybe they don’t want the responsibility of watching someones kid because the parent feels safe in a gated lot after 3 Liters of beer. Full disclosure, I live around the corner with a 3 YO and a 6 YO.

    • Anonymous

      Damn, that’s some real BS right there. Who doesn’t watch their kids like a hawk at a bar?!? Unfortunately, a few bad eggs/parents will ruin it for all the well behaved ones.

      • MadMax

        People who are drinking a lot?

        • Anon

          Give this man a Nobel! ;-)

      • Michael Pierce

        You got it. I’ve seen parents in DC bars who watch their kids like hawks and are extremely apologetic when they start getting noisy or invade the personal space of unsuspecting strangers, and I’ve seen parents who treat bars as a day care while they proceed to drink, and then they get all indignant if you dare complain about their little precious ones.

        • CEG

          You hit the nail on the head. I’ve been to Midlands during the peak (now restricted) times, and have seen several parents of smaller children completely ignoring their kids running around the garden. All it takes is one drunk bro accidentally tripping that child, the kid ending up with a broken bone from the fall on the concrete, and Midlands would be looking at a lawsuit. I think they made the right choice to put their foot down and set some rules so they don’t become a open to liability.

          Also like other users have said, it really doesn’t matter “why” they chose to make this rule. They’re a beer garden, not a government service.

    • Alan

      Oh stop it with the “they don’t owe you an explanation.” If they release a statement, they clearly feel like they owe an explanation, even if it’s a vaguely worded one. Sure, technically no one owes anyone anything, but if you want to maximize profits, maintaining good communication is the name of the game. I don’t take my kids to bars, but apparently some people do. Whether this costs them business or not remains to be seen. Maybe they’ll make up for it with drinkers who don’t like kids around. Obviously they have current customers who dig tots with their shots.

      • AsAMother

        Here’s the secret: they’re a bar. They’re not going to lose any business because they won’t clarify what precipitated the policy change, because the reasons are obvious. In fact, they are more likely to regain the business of patrons who left because there were too many kids.

      • DSB

        Maybe they released a statement so they could inform people of the current status of their rules? They specifically did not leave an explanation detailing the case. You say that good communication is the name of the game. These parents would definitely be MORE pissed if they bribed the kids to get dressed, packed the bags, herded the children to Ga Ave only to find out that they are no longer allowed at 2 pPM Saturday. They would have a serious issue then…

    • justfornow

      Just saw a report of a 5 year old who was, very tragically, killed in a rooftop revolving restaurant after wandering away form his or her parents and getting wedged between the wall and a table. Kids can and do wander and explore, and it’s tough to predict everything that could possibly happen.

      • anon

        Little kids only wander and explore if the adults around them let them – I never did when I had friends’ kids with me, and was always surprised when my friends would let their kids wander in restaurants – I’d go after them and fetch them – even if cute, as they invariable are, they have no business wandering around alone in restaurants. Its really a problem of the adults supervising the kids – or not.

    • ANON

      I think we just settled in on exactly why this happened…one irresponsible asshole ruins it for everyone, at least they didn’t change a diaper on the table like slash run, but who knows, maybe it was the same joker.

      • spookiness

        This is society basically. It only takes one to ruin it for everybody.

    • Anon

      This must have been the parent who gave them 1 star on Yelp. There are at 2 1-star reviews next to each other, both of which have to do with children. From what I understand from Peyton he’s had to intervene a few times with children who have escaped the not-so-watchful eyes of socializing parents and then been called out either in person or on Yelp. Apparently he’s sick of it, hence the policy. It sucks that a few bell-end parents had to ruin it, but I don’t blame him. (full disclosure — I know Peyton and might be a little biased, but on the other hand I have children and have brought them to certain bar/restaurants when I think it has been appropriate)

      • FridayGirl

        Interesting observation. Those two people were likely together, and you’re right – restaurants shouldn’t babysit kids. Frankly I don’t mind kids but I def. don’t want one coming over and trying to talk to me or get my attention when they aren’t mine and I’m there minding my own business. (And if I had a kid, I certainly wouldn’t let them walk around petting strangers dogs without watching both like a hawk.)

        • FridayGirl

          They also sound like they hate being parents — from Yelp: “Even if you’re childless, have some empathy for your parents and how you drove them to drink…”

      • dcd

        “Real Beer Gardens are family friendly, and anyone who’s ever been around kids knows trying to keep them still is futile.”
        .
        From one of the 1 star reviews – is it me, or does that take the cake for most (i) clueless and (ii) incorrectly defensive sentence ever?

        • MadMax

          Real beer gardens you just plant a hop seed and a few weeks later get a pint of stout.

        • L.

          LOL! “Trying to keep them still is futile?” Tell that to MY parents, who expected me and my brother to sit still and be quiet in any restaurant we visited, or we were going home and probably punished. I can see how dealing with a parent who thinks a basic part of parenting (controlling your children) is “futile” would be frustrating for the owners.

      • Commentator

        Yeah, this was the line from one of the critical reviews that stuck out to me as describing the issue at hand: “I’m sure this place can survive being patronized solely by the childless, but it’s a damn shame, since there is such an abundance of parents who need a drink in a place their kids can run around, yet such a dearth of such places in the city.”
        .
        By indicating this is a place for kids to run around, it would seem to support the idea that some parents were using this as a play area. I believe that Yelper came rolling in with four kids under five years old (and three adults), so I can only imagine the number of small children who were coming in. I am sure the other factors listed…having more paying customers in attendance, wanting the bouncers to not be distracted from their jobs by wrangling children…played into the ultimate decision but I can see where there would be a legitimate safety issue, as well, when this place is extremely busy. Due to all of that, they minimized kid hours to non-peak hours which seems reasonable to me.
        .
        Perhaps there is an opportunity for someone to open up a place with an actual play area where parents can also sip a drink to serve this niche (although I suspect that could create a set of liabilities), but this particular place isn’t it.

        • JoDa

          I had to look these up after the comments, and LOL’ed at that line. Chuck E Cheese…you’re looking for a Chuck E Cheese (most serve alcohol now). Go lobby them to open a shop in town. I promise us childless heathens will stay FAR away.

        • dcd

          That Yelp post (by Louis, I think?) was one of the most clueless, tone deaf things I’ve never read. As for “an actual play area where parents can also sip a drink to serve this niche” – when my daughter was young, we used to being cocktails/beer/wine to Walter Pierce Park all the time. One for the walk over, one to sip while she played and tired herself out, and then we’d have dinner in Adams Morgan. You don’t want to make a big production of it, but no one ever lifted an eyebrow, and we weren’t THAT discrete.

          • FridayGirl

            a major +1 to the tone deafness. i read it a few times and couldn’t decide whether to laugh or feel sad because it sounds like Louis has bigger issues with his life than not being able to go to Midlands with kids in tow.

        • L.

          “Parents who need a drink in a place their kids can run around.” Dude, it’s not a McDonald’s play zone. Just bring a flask to the park, where letting unsupervised children run wild is the reason of the place, if you’re that badly in need of a drink yet can’t be bothered to control your children.

    • Anonynony

      EXACTLY! I was there that day as well and watched one of the owners REPEATEDLY prevent kids from running into traffic! It was a gorgeous Saturday afternoon and he was beyond exasperated at the amount of times that the security guy had to scoop up kids in order to prevent them from darting into traffic! Seriously, full support of this decision. I know it was a very hard one for them to come to.

  • Parent of a 1.5 year old

    Parent of a 1.5 year old here – I am totally ok with this decision. While I am sad to lose a place that has been exceedingly kid friendly during my visits, I totally understand that they do not want small children there due to risk of injury. A bar is a not the same as a restaurant and this place is first and foremost a bar. While it does serve food and is outdoors, I don’t think it compares to a restaurant such as meridian pint or brookland’s finest (2 other places that are super kid friendly and serve alcohol). Also, kids shouldn’t be out at a bar much later than 8 anyway because the vibe quickly changes to less kid appropriate.

    • Marty

      don’t disagree. however, it’s weekends too. When my kids were toddlers, we’d be home by 7 or 8. Now that they are teens, we sometimes (rarely) stay out later for one reason or another. guess not here.

  • Matt

    The only thing that pops in my mind upon seeing posts like this is Sweet Home Alabama’s “You have a baby!…in a bar.”

    • Quotia Zelda

      Yes!

    • dcd

      I am ashamed to say it, but me too.

    • asdf

      Exactly. Remember when that movie came out? When it was socially unacceptable to bring a baby, or kids, to a bar? Because a bar was (and, news flash, still is) a place where people primarily go to get inebriated. Take it from a guy who had at least one alcoholic parent. It’s not a good look.

  • Jay

    How about this for a compromise: every other night, the admission restrictions will be such that on one night, the group of people who can get in are elementary school kids/ages 60+ and on the other nights, it’s anyone wearing corpse paint… okay?

  • MtP

    I wonder why they don’t allow kids earlier in the day on the weekends too, maybe too many day drinkers getting rowdy. I was there for the first time last Saturday and there were literally dozens of kids under the age of 5 there.

    • Anonymous

      “I was there for the first time last Saturday and there were literally dozens of kids under the age of 5 there.”
      .
      I think you’ve identified why they now don’t allow kids earlier in the day on the weekends. This is a bar they’re running, not a playground.

    • Leeran

      I think you might have just answered your own question… if there were actually dozens of kids, the place would probably prefer people who are there for booze and adult-sized portions of food. Gotta pay the rent and employees and all.

  • hgl

    It isn’t unfair for Midlands to do this. Although it would be great if they offered weekend hours as well. They could ban altogether if they want. But if they’re going to offer the time why not on the weekends? Midlands is a completely strange place. Their wine policy is ridiculous. You only have the other option of purchasing wine by the bottle. Sure you can take it home if you don’t finish but if i want to pay $20 for a shitty $7 bottle and drink most of it at home anyway, I’ll just stay at home or go somewhere that lets me only buy a glass for a better option. Their reasoning for only offering bottles and no glass: “we are a beer bar.” That’s a direct quote from a bartendar. Last time I checked, bluejacket, Churchkey, and other far superior beer bars offer a glasses of wine. Very weird place

    • MadMax

      LOL what…they only sell bottles of wine, none by the glass? That does seem rather odd. Maybe they spent all their glassware money on those fancy beer glasses they’re worried about getting stolen and couldn’t get anyone to donate wine glasses?

      • Anonynony

        They also offer half bottles for those not wanting to commit to full bottles. They have wine glasses and it’s actually kinda great that they don’t do wine by the glass – friends and I have split a $22 bottle of rose on more than one occasion because, well, we basic.

        • NorthPetworth

          We should be friends.

          • Anonynony

            YES, LET’S.

  • ANON

    While I agree that a buisness can do what it wants, it does suck for many of us who like bringing our kids with us on a saturday or sunday afternoon.

    I think this is a couple bad apples spoiling the batch. I was recently there without my kid, around 8:30 and there was a toddler just roaming unsupervised inside the bar. I agree this is a recipe where a kid is going to get hurt. Especially given that there were some really drunk patrons in there being held up by their compatriots, maybe you get rid of them too to settle your “safety issues”? But saturday and sunday afternoons are pretty prime time for an area that is exploding with kids.

    I hate that they are making this change, I agree they should cut it off at 8, but maybe instead you let children stay on weekends too.

    • LoDC

      the couple of times I’ve been there – the owner/staff seemed pretty good about cutting people off when they start to get gross and/or too rowdy. I get the feeling that they’re all pretty low-key people just doing what they can to make sure everyone has a good time. i get that a hurt toddler could be a real buzz kill.

    • carl

      there is something to be said for those of us that want to be outside at a beer garden in the middle of the week day not surrounded by children. Sometimes adults just want to be in an adult setting.

      • carl

        weekend day *

      • ANON

        I wish myn immobile baby (likely asleep)was less bothersome to you and other childless patrons.

        • FridayGirl

          Anon, I don’t think carl was talking about babies. babies aren’t hurting anyone, and in fact, i applaud whenever i see parents out with babies at beer festivals, etc. you rock at life. (but it still stands that 4 or 5 year olds can be incredibly irritating and cause possible legal drama if they’re running around out of control and get hurt because the parents treated a beer garden as a play area.)
          .
          tl;dr: pretty sure carl wasn’t talking about your baby.

          • ANON

            I totally get it and was being a bit over the top intentionally. 2 points though 1) a blanket ban is throwing the baby out with the bathwater and 2) i just wanted to use that pun.

          • ANON

            also it sounds from the Yelp review discussion that they have handled it appropriately in the past, even with dopey parents that have not watched their kids.

            I hate that some dumb parents have cost us all the opportunity, and even more disappointed by those who are so quick to applaud the decision, even if most of us are responsible with our kids and try our damnedest to keep from bothering any other patrons.

          • carl

            Look i am not going to defend my desire to grab a beer midday on a weekend in a place that does not resemble a “discovery zone”

  • Anony

    It is a shame you’ve banned weekend days as well. I won’t be back

    • Anon

      Au revoir, amigo!

  • Anony

    I’m assuming these rules apply to dogs as well?

    • Anon

      I doubt they’d institute this rule if parents did a better job of leashing their children.

      • Unleashed

        I was there once and the owner’s dog was roaming around unleashed.

        • LoDC

          His dog is about 1,000 years old and completely harmless. And also adorable.

          • Anony

            I’m a dog owner as well and feel that letting dogs roam freely around a bar/restaurant regardless if “completely harmless” while in the same breath banning children is not the most logical. Not to mention against health code.

          • MadMax

            Yeah, how many dog owners incorrectly assume their dog is “harmless”.

          • Michael Pierce

            I could be wrong, but I think the health code ban on dogs only applies to places that serve food. Of course there are restaurants in DC who completely ignore this rule.

          • Anony

            @Michael Pierce – from Midland’s FB page, “We also have a kitchen serving up sandwiches, picnic baskets featuring different meats, cheeses, bread and yummy spreads. “

          • FridayGirl

            To clarify, dogs are only allowed outside, or in the very thin strip in front of the bar. They’re not allowed in the actual indoor space.

          • Anony

            by “very thin strip” do you mean the patio which is essentially the parking lot in front of the building that takes up about the same sq footage as the entire inside?

          • FridayGirl

            No — that’s not what I meant. When asked, my group was told last time that dogs had to “stay in front of the bar.” So the outside patio/lot/whatever you want to call it AND the tiny area with the bar stools immediately behind the doors inside. Dogs are not allowed beyond the front part of the bar, from my understanding.

        • Anon

          Brutal.

        • Bryan

          Most dogs (if trained) are more well behaved than young children.

      • LoDC

        +1

    • navyard

      Babies are the new dogs.

      • Anon

        When’s the last time a baby got you laid?

        • Anonynony

          I read that wrong…

  • MsSunshine

    But they have such big, nice tables for diaper changing!

  • Andie302

    It’s clear that some people are upset about no kids on weekends, but as the weather gets nicer it’s not surprising to me that they may want to encourage adults to come and partake over people with children. I can also envision a weird scenario ala the United incident recently where an intoxicated patron there with their kid and other less intoxicated adults doesn’t want to leave the party at say 3pm, and then there’s a scene. (I’m being dramatic for effect, but you get the idea.) At least that’s my theory on why they drew the bright line on weekends. This seems like a problem specific to beer gardens/outdoor patios because most bars pick up into the evening, but I can see a beer garden doing really well on a warm day and then quieting down (some) when the sun goes down.

  • CTcait

    In theory, I have found that most beer gardens I have visited (in the US and Europe) are kid friendly during the daytime. I personally see no problem with having children, ages 0 – 21, at beer gardens during the daytime, it can be very social between the food, bands and dancing (depending on the place). If the Midlands is finding that kids are not being properly watched by their parents, I understand why they are setting this rule. However, I am curious to know what brought them to this decision. Of interest, despite being old: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/20/style/play-dates-at-the-beer-garden.html?_r=0

  • anon

    LOL – since it’s only 21 and up now, it sounds like management is afraid of getting busted for serving underage kids and doesn’t trust the servers/bartenders to card people appropriately!

    • Anonynony

      Good job buddy, totally nailed it. This definitely has nothing to do with the safety of children! Just about carding people! Oh wait, they have a security guy specifically for that? And his sole job is to card people? But his job recently has been making sure kids aren’t running out of the beer garden while neglectful drunk parents aren’t paying attention? Huh.

      • Brutal

        … but yeah how did the rest of miss this while we were busy debating the merits of kids at a beergarden??

      • anon

        You know what people always say when they’re hanging their hat on a flimsy justification: “won’t somebody think of the children?!?”

        I mean, is the security guy really having to grab wayward 18, 19 and 20 year olds who escaped their parents and were going to wander into traffic? Nope! Only reason to set the age restriction at 21 is to ensure you aren’t serving people who are underage.

        • Anonynony

          Depends on how drunk the 18, 19, and 20 year olds are, let’s be honest here.

          Also, you’re really reaching here if you’re trying to actually make this argument. Fake news.

          • anon

            In that case, there’s no reason to have an age limit at all; drunk people do dumb shit at ages 20, 21, 121, and every age in between. The only reason to draw a line at 21 is as a prophylactic to prevent staff from serving someone they shouldn’t.

  • penguins9966

    I was expecting a acid rain of self righteous people being ridiculous. This is just smart from both a business (more actual paying customers) and from a liability standpoint (the comment above about an owner shouting about the kid is not shocking) For those wishing for weekend hours, why would a beer garden do that? Weekend daytime hours are their whole point of existence. Granted I don’t have kids, but I for one think of this as a positive. The one perhaps exception to the rule would prehaps be special sporting events. I was at the Brig for the Caps game on saturday where they projected the game on the side of a building and I can see the appeal of teenager or whatever wanting to view that but then you’re making exceptions to the rule and sometimes it’s just easier to make no exceptions.

  • Ivy Regular

    These guys (and their patrons) have always been super accommodating when kids come to their establishments as long as the parents are respectful and understand that there are some boundaries. Heck, I rented out the entire deck at Ivy for a kid-friendly bday party, and it was totally drama free. It sounds like there was recently an isolated incident with an unattentive parent, so the owners were forced to implement a rule that I truly believe they would rather not have had to implement.

    If you came here for a flame war where the the supporters of the owners are hating on kids-at-bars, and the parents are hating on the owners for changing the rules, I don’t think you are going to get it. It’s an unfortunate circumstance, but these aren’t two groups of people who are incapable of understanding the other’s perspective. I’ll still happily support their bars with my kid during the appropriate hours, and sans-kid when they request. No big deal.

  • :-(

    As the parent of 1 y/o who has visited Midlands, this is a bummer. I think that due to the size and indoor/outdoor location, Midlands had (apparently unintentionally) become the top family-friendly spot to grab a beer in the neighborhood. I haven’t observed any safety issues, but I’m assuming there’s a specific incident (or incidents) that caused them to take this step. Oh well – budding entrepreneurs take notice: the craft beer-sipping, stroller-pushing, money-spending families of Columbia Heights/Park View/Petworth are looking for a nice place to swing by on weekend afternoons.

    • MadMax

      People up above seem to indicate you can go to Meridian Pint.

      • dcd

        We’ve been to Meridian pint a half dozen times, always sitting at a table with our kid and having dinner. It never occurred to me that it was in any way controversial. Despite the name, I think of it as more of a restaurant than a bar.

        • Formerly ParkViewRes

          It’s not at all controversial at MP because as someone else noted the upstairs is a restaurant where kids are allowed, but the bar is downstairs and kids are not allowed. I have been to the restaurant and bar many times and always saw kids at the restaurant.

        • MadMax

          Yeah I wouldn’t think MP would be controversial at all, that’s why I recommended it to this person. They seem to want the family friendly label and push the restaurant aspect almost as much as the beer.

  • NT

    Why would anyone – parent or not – want to hang out on picnic tables in a parking lot surrounded by a chain-link fence that’s right on a busy thoroughfare?

    Also, fenced in areas FTW: https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/fenced-in/2860783?snl=1

    • but but but

      Why would anyone – parent or not – take so much stock in the materials used to fabricate their surroundings, rather than concern themselves with the food, drink, company, and social atmosphere of the establishment that they are patronizing? If you need gilded tables you can probably find some in VA

      • And and and

        Ha. I do indeed care where a place is, what the decor/vibe is, and what the atmosphere is like when I’m there. I’m guessing I’m in the majority on that.

        Is your Virginia comment supposed to suggest I’m from there? How’d you know?! I was born in Richmond. But I moved to Petworth in 2004.

  • Gary

    We’ve always taken my kid to bars like Duffy’s or Garden District to name a couple since you could still smoke in bars. Sometimes parents want to get out for a quick drink and some adult time without getting into the hassle of a sitter . But he has never “crawled” around nor have we gotten upset if people swear or carry on near us. We always gauge the situation and know to leave when it’s too loud, crowded etc. And we’ve always been conscious of the staff as well, cleaning up after him etc, probably treating servers better than most drunk adults. As a result he has always been great in crowds, at restaurants, and even bars without really bothering anyone. Especially during playoff games though he may yell along with everyone else.

  • CapNoView14

    Funny, I was there Sunday late afternoon and commented to my buddy about the amount of children running around the patio. It seemed fine, but I’m sure a couple parents are responsible for ruining it (being drunk, unaware of anything, petting the bar dog instead)

  • john M

    Question for would-be beer garden patrons with children: Why not just hire a babysitter? It’s not the bar’s job to babysit your kids! I was at Wunder Garten the other day and it was swarming with kids at 9 pm. When I was their age, I was fast asleep by that time, especially on school nights. If it’s connecting with your adult friends, isn’t it more relaxing to leave the kids behind?

    • anonamom

      Because sometimes you want to hang out and have a beer without paying someone else $50+ and planning it weeks in advance. If/when you have kids and less disposable income and time as a result, it’ll make sense.

      • anonamom

        That said, sounds to me like Midlands made a good call here. It also sounds like somebody needs to open a more kid-friendly beer garden in the area.

        • NH Ave Hiker

          Or maybe beer gardens are for drinking. Not kids. Have a beer at home if you really want to.

          • anonamom

            I’m just saying, sounds like there’s demand for a kid-friendly beer garden. Wouldn’t you agree? I don’t happen to think the two things are mutually exclusive. Many beer gardens work that way in Europe, during the day. I have been to other kid-friendly beer gardens in the US as well. And you know what? You don’t have to go to those ones. You can go to the ones that ban kids, or during hours that they ban kids. Or YOU can stay home and drink your beer alone, unencumbered by the inconvenience of other generations! But what you don’t get to do is categorically forbid parents from the perfectly lawful act bringing their kids to a beer garden, unless you are the owner of said beer garden.

      • Anonymous

        so i get to listen to your kids screen or deal with them running around my table while i drink a beer i paid for because you want to save money? We are not talking about banning kids from DC reasturants but simply banning them from a bar. families can still go to meridian pint, the coupe, homestead , the heights and a bunch of other places.

        • anonamom

          Perhaps you missed where wrote that I thought the Midlands did the right thing here, given the circumstances. Of course, beer gardens are perfectly within their rights to ban kids during certain hours or entirely. However, I do think that beer gardens can be perfectly acceptable places to bring kids during the day, if there are rules about behavior, parents act responsibly and owners kick them out if they don’t follow the rules, just like they would other patrons. They’re actually pretty ideal, because they’re outside (you don’t have to worry about making a mess or noise), often counter service (you don’t have to wait for someone to take your order or to be served), you can bring your own food, etc. It sounds like there’s a demand for such a place in Park View, wouldn’t you say? If either side (parents or non-parents) can’t handle kids in a beer garden, they shouldn’t go there.

          Even so, yes, sometimes you’re going to have to deal with another human being’s behavior while you’re spending money. That’s life, friend. FWIW, the second my toddler makes a peep I’m carrying him out the door, because I know no one wants to hear it. I’d never bring him to a bar or have him out past 8 at a place like this. However, like many others have said, I’m much more bothered by adults’ behavior in general than by kids’ behavior, and that’s been the case since long before my kid was born.

    • Anon Spock

      The sort of parent who let’s their child roam the bar is not the sort of parent who cares they’re imposing on other patrons.

  • Formerly ParkViewRes

    Midlands has now given specific examples right on their FB page. It sounds like the dealt with a lot of BS over the past few weeks and yeah SOME parents were treating it like a playground.

    • AVEnue

      Holy smokes those examples are bananas. A classic example of bad apples ruining it for everyone else.

      • FridayGirl

        +1.

    • Anon

      From their Facebook page

      We are in fact losing patrons with this new rule. It is 100% about safety.

      In the past 3 weeks i and our bouncer have stopped countless kids from running out into georgia ave. What if he was on a smoke break and nobody was watching the door? We watched a young boy fall face first off the curb in front of the bar onto the asphalt and started crying. No parent came to his assistance. A bar regular went to help him and started yelling, “who’s kid is this?” We have witnessed parents put their children on top of our custom welded (and in some places razor sharp) smoker. Use my motorcycle as a jungle gym literally bouncing on the exhaust pipes while the parent had a photo shoot. This past saturday i asked a parent to please not let her baby (only wearing a diaper) crawl on the floor of the garden because people break glass out there daily. Do we clean it up? Of course. Can we get every shard of glass. Nope.

      So sir, you might be an amazing parent, but the lack of responsibility and control from others has guided our decision. Not money. We didn’t want to make this rule. We were forced to.

      • stacksp

        Yeah I guess I dont blame them… Crazy examples. What happened to placing the kid in a high chair/or stroller and putting snacks and a toy on their tray while the adults eat. Why the crawling, naked baby scenario?

        • Anonymous

          “What happened to placing the kid in a high chair/or stroller and putting snacks and a toy on their tray while the adults eat. Why the crawling, naked baby scenario?”
          .
          The parents are bringing the kids out because they are stir crazy. The whole point is to let the kids run around, play and burn off energy. So yes, the parents are treating Midlands exactly like a play ground. The kids are already in strollers, high chairs, cribs, and playpacks for the rest of the day.
          Someone needs to create a version of Chuckie Cheese is would be approved by dual income, Ivy League-educated parents. They would make an utter killing if they designed the space with families in mind while still serving good food and high quality craft alcohol in gentrifying neighborhoods.

          • dcd

            I am pretty sure the Italian Store did that at their second location. You have to drive to Arlington, though.

          • stacksp

            Or Red Cup it and Parkview Rec or Bruce Monroe Playground

          • JoDa

            Perhaps “someone” does need to create that place, but Midlands was, clearly, NOT that place. Unless and until someone creates a “high class Chuck E Cheese,” take your kids to the park to burn off their energy. Sneak a flask or water bottle filled with wine if you can’t wait until your kid runs themself stupid on the jungle gym. Don’t foist them on staff and patrons of regular bars and restaurants.
            .
            I mean, if there were money to be made founding a “high class Chuck E Cheese” it would have already happened. Go forth or…well…

      • OP Anon

        Best comment on there:
        “I usually come to The Midlands to steal stray babies and sell them to Comet for a tidy profit”
        omg hahahahaha

      • MadMax

        From a liability standpoint, can the bar be held accountable if they didn’t stop a kid from wandering out into the street and something happened? I would assume that the parents would still be liable, but nothing would surprise me in a city full of lawyers.

        • textdoc

          If I were the owner, I wouldn’t want to risk it. And even if there’s no legal liability, I still wouldn’t want to risk something bad happening, both for moral reasons and practical reasons (bad publicity).

        • HaileUnlikely

          No idea on legal liability, but as a patron it would certainly detract from my enjoyment of being at a bar to feel like I’m shirking some moral obligation if I failed to watch an obviously-unsupervised 3-year-old who was wandering toward the street, all the while knowing damn well that I risk getting yelled at by the kids’ parents if I were to impede their precocious toddler’s exploration of the traffic on Georgia Avenue (not at the Midlands – never been there – but in another setting I have actually had this happen).

        • Elvis’s Mom

          I’m guessing that their insurance company thinks so, and they may have to reduce their liability for cost reasons.

    • L.

      Yeah, for the sake of commenters here I’ll copy-pasta what they wrote: “In the past 3 weeks i and our bouncer have stopped countless kids from running out into georgia ave. What if he was on a smoke break and nobody was watching the door? We watched a young boy fall face first off the curb in front of the bar onto the asphalt and started crying. No parent came to his assistance. A bar regular went to help him and started yelling, “who’s kid is this?” We have witnessed parents put their children on top of our custom welded (and in some places razor sharp) smoker. Use my motorcycle as a jungle gym literally bouncing on the exhaust pipes while the parent had a photo shoot. This past saturday i asked a parent to please not let her baby (only wearing a diaper) crawl on the floor of the garden because people break glass out there daily. Do we clean it up? Of course. Can we get every shard of glass. Nope.”

  • Duff

    No offense to anyone but It’s a private business, not your front porch. They have the right to create whatever environment they feel is best for their business. And everyone has the right to then decide if that’s the environment for them, if not then don’t go there. It’s really that simple, it’s not some social crisis or conspiracy against children.

  • Mike Rogers

    I LOVE kids, I watch my friends’ kids, seeing kids at my building swimming pool brings a smile to my face. When people whine on airplanes about crying babies, I say, “Hey, we were all babies once, right?” OR “You know, it is a bit annoying to hear the baby, but you complaining means two annoying things I have to hear.” Kids are, simply put, awesome.

    All of that being said, is it such a crime to have a place for adults? I’ve been to numerous beer gardens. They are messy, people drink a lot, can be crowded, etc… Children are not allowed everywhere and you know what? That’s OK people.

    Some people are concerned about safety, is that bad? Others want to have a place to sit, schmooze and enjoy the company of friends in an adult environment.

    People need to lighten up…. A beer garden (an establishment whose main — if not all — income is from beer and booze) creating an adult space is not like telling people they can’t bring their kids to Wal-Mart.

    People have kids and that’s great. I TOTALLY support ALL of us paying for schools for their kids… is it sooooooo bad if someone just wants to be out with other adults?

    • caroline

      +1 :)

  • anonymous2u

    Just allow kids during the daytime on the weekends (cut it off at 7 or 8 or whatever in the evening) and I think most people will be happy. Thank you

    • caroline

      i get what you are saying but adults would like a place to sit in the sun on weekends and it be an adult place . I think the commenter right above you said it perfectly. Its okay for adults to want spaces for adults. And we enjoy the afternoon sun too.

      • tlindc

        Please. There are plenty of adult spaces where you can enjoy the afternoon sun and have a drink without children. This city is literally filled with places like that. The opposite, not so much.

        • penguins9966

          -1

          • JoDa

            Agree with penguins…name 5 places I can go that are 21+ ONLY on a weekend afternoon with outdoor space. Anywhere in the city (but not suburbs). I’ll wait…

        • only_one

          i can only think of one Red derby- i don’t think i would bring a kid there. everywhere else in petworth i think accepts kids mid day and its kid friendly on weekends . I like this new midlands Policy

          • saf

            Sadly, I have seen kids there.

  • PetworthAnonymous

    Ten Tigers might be a good place to start going on the weekends with kids. They’re just up the street, and reserve their second floor for “play time” from 3-6pm on Saturdays. Meanwhile, the bar and kitchen is open.

  • Baz

    Bardo is open to kids. And dogs. ALL THE TIME.
    Especially Saturday afternoon. When midlands is not.
    Just go ot Bardo.
    Besides, midlands imitation of @BardawgDC is lame.

  • No doubt

    We took out preschooler there on a Sunday at noon along with several other families. Families with young kids were 90% of the business there between 12-2pm on a Sunday. We all cleared out so kids could take naps. Seems kind of shortsighted on midlands part.

  • An

    I cannot undersand the discrimination of not letting kids yet letting pets. This is a joke. I have neither but I have been at midlands many times and the kids never bothered me. America has an issue with intergenerational mixing. What’s next? My grandfather can’t enter because he may fall and be a liability?

    This sh@$ makes me sick.

    • penguins9966

      Counter Point: its a bar and everything about your ‘take’ is extremely overblown and ridiculous

  • jaxphoto

    This is bullshit. Babies aren’t up late and weren’t bothering anyone. Safety concerns? Give me a break. Ridiculous – and a bad business decision by Midlands who are VASTLY under-appreciating the number of young families in the neighborhood.

    With or without my baby, I won’t be going back.

    • penguins9966

      Feel free to enjoy the several community parks within a 6 block radius of the BEER GARDEN

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