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  • Karin

    Bus should have had the right of way because it is actually carrying people who are trying to get somewhere.

    • Brett M


    • SF

      The accounts indicate that the X2 driver swerved to avoid a car that had “stopped suddenly” in front of it. These sorts of situations are always the fault of the driver behind the stopped car– following too close, driving too fast, etc etc. Looks to me like the X2 tried to make a quick move (the kind of quick moves bus drivers make far too often and too agressively in DC) and ran into the streetcar. How this is at all the streetcar’s fault I have no idea. It could have as easily been one of us in the a car that got cut off in that situation.

      • Anonymous

        Lighten up, Francis. It was a joke.

        • SF

          Oh. Hilarious.

  • Lee

    Aw, they make quite the cute couple.

  • blue peter

    sh!t is comical…(eye role)

  • dat


  • Crazz

    It is called a BENDY BUS

  • anonymous

    They gotta be MD drivers.

  • Gregor

    There’s my daily dose of self-esteem.

  • Yet another reason why adding streetcar lines is better than just adding more & bigger buses to the roads. While streetcars can’t avoid a poorly parked car they also go in a straight line, stay in their lane, and won’t ever swerve to hit other cars or bicyclists.

    • Mr. Brightwood

      I might be inclined to agree, if streetcars weren’t consistently a money pit. Until some other American city manages to prove that it’s economically viable to add new streetcars, DC needs to cut the bleeding with this pet project.

      • blue peter

        doesn’t Portland, OR have a viable street car system: MAX?

        • Mr. Brightwood

          It might. Glancing at it, it looks like the federal and local governments have poured hundreds of millions into its creation. But it might be a good example. The Economist has written about how much politicians love streetcars, and their astronomical cost compared to other ways of improving transportation. I’m inclined to think that’s the more likely story. It certainly has been in DC.

          • jdre

            I’ve not really looked into the economics of it at all, but I think it stands to logic that it’s especially not cost-effective when you mess it up and have to redo things over and over, and the deployment/operational date keeps slipping further and further into the future, and is being questioned overall.

            Things done incorrectly are almost never cost effective.

          • AG

            Every transportation project (from highways to buses to metros) has a ton of federal and local money poured into it, at least to get it up and running.

      • jdre

        KC – opens today

        • Mr. Brightwood

          According to wikipedia, the Kansas City streetcar has cost over $130 million so far. The route is two miles long.

          Testing begins today. They hope to have it running in March of next year.

          Sorry, not impressed! :)

          • D

            And how much have roads and highways cost? Why do costs scare everyone from these projects? We need better infrastructure in this country.

          • jdre

            It has also spawned half a billion in investment along those two miles.

            I’m not saying it’s perfect or even preferable to other transportation options… my main point is a wager that it will be less of a hot mess than this turd pictured above.

          • Mr. Brightwood

            Roads and highways tend to cost much less than tens of millions of dollars per mile. I’m all for infrastructure spending — the need for infrastructure spending is one of the best arguments against streetcars. Spend that ginormous amount of money on traditional rail, high-speed rail, improving bus service, fixing up roads and sidewalks, shoring up bridges, etc. Those kind of things will benefit entire cities and regions, and not just a single neighborhood, as is too often the case with streetcars.

            Admittedly, the DC streetcar is one of the best examples of the program totally fleeces taxpayers year after year, with no benefit yet. Maybe someday it’ll be a good thing. But after all the wasted money screw-ups, it’s very weird to hear someone saying that DC needs more streetcar lines.

          • Mr. Brightwood
          • D

            Could write just as damning an article on roads and highways. Along with the how many people die annually from car crashes.

          • Mr. Brightwood

            Streetcars don’t replace roads and highways, so that article wouldn’t be too germane here.

      • jdre

        Baltimore has a light rail that might as well be called a streetcar.

        • Mr. Brightwood

          That’s an actual train system, no? Maybe we just disagree about definitions here. A streetcar, like the one on H Street, is much more like a bus tethered a street than it is like a train.

      • jdre

        Saint Louis has the MetroLink, which is mostly (almost entirely) ground level light rail.

        • jdre

          San Jose had a nice one when I visited…

        • Mr. Brightwood

          Light rail can be great. Streetcars not so much.

    • Piglet

      For the love of God please don’t support expanding the DC streetcar any further. It’s been an utter disaster. DC needs to cut its losses.

      • D

        You could say the same exact things about roads and highways.

        I say expand the streetcar lines sooner than later.

        • Mr. Brightwood

          Boston’s big dig is about the only road you can say the same thing about.

        • Mr. Brightwood

          I’m all for trains, but streetcars are not trains. I totally agree that America needs more rail infrastructure. Things like (a better version of) Metro and Amtrack, and highspeed rail as well. Lightrail has been mentioned here … there’s probably some overlap with what we’re talking about.

          I’m talking about spending $100 million plus to make a very small route of streetcars that will mostly benefit a few tourists and gentrifiers. Like we’ve seen in DC. It’s a horrible waste. The link from The Economist says so much better than I can.

          Again, I’m all for infrastructure spending. Just not this!

      • Anonymous

        +100. The streetcar project in DC is an utter waste of money and time. Whatever the advantages streetcars might have in other municipalities, these positive lessons are clearly not applicable to DC at this point. We need to stop this waste of taxpayer money. And I’m a liberal Democrat and fan of public transportation! Just not in support of this fiasco. Let’s focus on getting things right on the Metro.

        • textdoc

          WMATA =/= DDOT.

          • Anonymous

            My bad! Guess I’m just frustrated…

      • anon

        the whole thing would be fixed if it had a dedicated lane. the expansion is still a good idea, it just needs to be designed properly.

  • Traveler

    Its like teens making out while still wearing braces…

    • GBinCH

      Actual LOL.

    • thedcyears


  • The OP Anon

    Remain calm – all is well!!!!

  • h

    “We’ve now doubled our capacity to transport customers along the bustling H Street Corridor.”

  • Anonoline

    Gondolas are starting to look like a sensible idea.

  • The Stork

    I was actually down on the scene when this happened and shot this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDT_IBk7hAA

    • Traveler


  • jdre

    Who engineered this mess? Honestly. It shouldn’t be this hard.

    Let’s all pay attention to how many massive eff-ups DON’T happen with another city’s similar investment:

    • jdre

      Notice also, how even in one simple photo, some important differences are apparent — such as not being designed to be wedged tightly between lanes of traffic.

    • Are you asking who designed the bus? Because that’s who’s at fault here. It could have been any other vehicle in the streetcar’s lane, the bus merged improperly into it.

      • jdre

        Who designed a system where that’s the operation involved. Why is a bus expected to pass without it being a likely incident? Why doesn’t the streetcar get a dedicated lane?
        Also – who designed a system where the streetcar seems to clear precariously close horizontally from (even properly) parked cars? Why is there a parking lane on the side that riders enter the streetcar?
        Look at the layout and design of the KC system, then look at the clusterbang of a system in the first photo here. I’m sure KC will have some issues as well, but one clearly looks like it was designed properly, while the other was wedged into too narrow a space.
        Basically, I think this was the worst choice of location for a streetcar, or alternatively, good streetcar design isn’t possible in this space (without sacrificing a lane of parking, or using the space wholly differently than was designed). I anticipate this overpriced, poorly designed system getting a proverbial toilet flush before more testing and redesign funds are wasted.

        • jdre

          I mean, in theory, a streetcar and bendy bus route overlapping is redundant (maybe even such that it won’t be the plan if and when the streetcar ever actually carries passengers).
          Either take the streetcar to the end of the line and then continue on that bus route, or run that bus route on the next block (or someplace that makes sense nearby) – but bus + streetcar on the same stretch of road is a bit odd, imho.

  • HaileUnlikely

    I think the streetcar would be more likely to succeed if they were to replace it with a ferry.

    • Philippe Lecheval

      Right. Let’s excavate H Street and turn it into a canal. That way, we don’t have to worry about buses, streetcars, motorists OR bikes. Although those pesky kids on the ATVs are liable to buy jet skis.

  • Cherry

    Geez, the streetcar is CURSED!!!!!111

  • andy2


  • textdoc

    When two forms of public transportation love each other very much…

    • shaw

      Now that the mating ritual is complete, we must patiently wait. Assuming the mating attempt has been successful, though, approximately nine months from now the Streetcar will give birth to a litter of 6 to 12 bright red CaBi bike pups. The Articulated Bus will then roam the landscape looking for humans to offer to its CaBi pups to care for them until they are strong enough to find a docking station on their own.


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