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“Dear PoP,

I just found out about the Glenn Beck Rally – “Restoring Honor” – being held Aug. 28 on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and wondered what people think is a good/effective/proper response to something like this.

DC is of course the Mecca for protesters of all kinds and there is the whole free-speech thing of course. My usual inclination is that counter-rallies or protests just fan the flames and generate more publicity and often exploitable ugliness, especially in this case, where Beck has his own powerful TV juggernaut where he can manipulate images & news however he likes.

What should one do when something this offensive is going on? Ideas?”

The Post’s DeNeen Brown just wrote about this in the Style Section:

“Social activists and civil rights leaders, among them the Rev. Al Sharpton, are planning marches and demonstrations — including the unveiling of a nearly four-story-tall original sculpture on the Mall — on Aug. 28 to coincide with a rally organized by Fox News personality Glenn Beck…

“For Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin to have a march, they have the right to do so. Many of us suspect they are using the symbolism of that day in a way that does not reflect what the day is about,” Sharpton said. “At no point will we interchange. We will not desecrate the march and what King stood for.”

What do you guys recommend is the best way to counter a rally that you find offensive (no matter the subject)? I usually lean towards ignoring them, personally. What about you guys?

Ed. Note: For those that don’t like political discussions on this blog please just move on. A reader wrote in the question and I think it is a fair question whichever side you happen to be on.

Comments (130)

  1. In other news, I hear gold is a solid investment these days

  2. Comment of the year

  3. brilliant!

  4. If it makes you feel good about yourself……then counter-protest. Just remember the harder thing is usually the right thing. The harder thing would be to insert yourself in something meaningful and commit to it. But damn….if you figure that out please share with us all!

  5. “the harder thing is usually the right thing.”
    who taught you that?

  6. sounds dirty

  7. shameless plug, but here’s what my organization (one of those “social justice” orgs Beck’s always ranting about) is doing on that day: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2518/action/8-28

  8. The problem is if you do it at the same place as the Beck rally Fox news will include you in the tally of supporters who showed up to pack the mall for support of Becks rally.

    He is a stunning example of what the long term effects of marijuanna does to the brain when combined with religious zelotry. He admits to freebassing to the point of passing out when he was younger.

  9. Davy Crockett's Hat

    “long term effects of marijuanna does to the brain when combined with religious zelotry”

    Why would you bring the Rastafari into this?

  10. Eric in Ledroit

    What the hell is “freebassing”?

  11. Freebasing – another way to get high off of coke. It’s basically a much purer and more potent form of crack. Ya smoke it maan

  12. Freebassing is when you poach a rockfish (aka a striped bass) without paying for a fishing license, thereby obtaining a free bass.

    I’m not sure what marijuanna is, but I believe it’s from the Spanish, and means something approximating “to marry Anna.”

  13. Meh…..are you okay POP? Don’t let Mr. Beck crawl up your arse. Get a grip.

  14. I find Glenn Beck’s presentations bizarre, far too expansive and too far reaching in such a manner that with time he will succumb to his own speech and undoing.

    Something like the fictional Peter Finch character in the film “Network”, a satire on television from 35 years ago with Paddy Chayefsky’s Howard Beale and his expansive bizarre “mad as hell” rants.

    Well, as much I prefer PoP’s posts that are more light hearted, I will comment with this:

    Why is it a fair question to post “Should I Protest the Glenn Beck Rally?” and not a truly fair question, “Do you plan on supporting, protesting or ignoring the Glenn Beck Rally”?

    That seems to me to be “the fair question whichever side you happen to be on”.

    Beck made a big show recently about not being able to conduct prayers at the Kennedy Center. I have something to contribute on that as well and will come back later to comment further.

  15. Seriously?! PoP received a specific inquiry– he is not going to change the inquiry. If someone had written in whether they should attend to show support for Beck, then he likely would have posted that request. His point was that he is not passing judgment on the author’s politics. He is basically asking the question– should people counter-protest. The question could have easily been posed in this blog about a potential protester to a pro-choice march, or gay rights rally, or even a Obama campaign rally. The question is whether counter protests are effective. Read before you comment– otherwise, you might as well just be on Fox news.

  16. “Dear PoP, should I protest the Glenn Beck rally ?

    … and I think it is a fair question whichever side you happen to be on.”

    Fair ? Really ?

    Wouldn’t the fair question be, “How should I support, protest, or ignore the Glenn Beck rally ?”.

    And just what exactly is so offensive about the message and not the messenger ?

  17. This is TV – entertainment of the idiot masses. Don’t waste your time. If you want to combat the moronic shit-show that has become cable news, then get out and have a conversation with a real person, with real facts and news in your quiver, well-thought out positions, and try to sway the mind of one person at a time. And while you’re at it, throw your television out the window because it is now nothing more than the toilet by which the cable “news” networks flush their inexhaustible supply of shit directly into your brain.

  18. A ridiculous question not worthy of posting on what is usually a good blog.

  19. It seems PoP thought it was worthy, so your comment is rather ironic.

  20. Esoteric much ?

  21. P.S. That’s a sweet photo!

  22. Either completely ignore it, or hold your own peacful event that isn’t a blatant counter-protest, thus giving you the higher road.

    Story time: I’m sure some of you have heard of the “Nation of Marriage” tour going around the country this summer. It’s a small group that goes around the country, supposedly to “rally” people in “defense of marriage.” The only problem is, they haven’t really been drawing many out to their rallies, except for folks who are there to directly counter-protest. So NOM has taken to instead playing themselves as victims of these “evil liberal protesters” who want to “silence” them. And all it takes is a picture or a video of one fringe or even slightly out of the mainstream looking counter protester that they can plaster all over the internet to allow them to claim legetimacy in such ridiculousness.

    Now, several years ago now, one of my good friends and his partner moved to West Virginia. He reported back via Facebook about what happened when NOM came to Charleston; a group called Fairness West Virginia had a different approach. Instead of rallying their members to directly counter-protest, they instead held their own event at a nearby park called Rally for All Families. There, they held a family friendly party/picnic, celebrating the diversity of all families. They basically ignored the NOM event, drew far more people and when the news cameras came out, they found maybe a dozen people listening to the shrill NOM leader stumble through her speech, and nearly 100 people, families that were straight, gay and of various races having a good, peaceful time. When asked what they were celebrating, they didn’t even mention the NOM event, and just said they were celebrating their families.

    Now, to me, that kind of thing has FAR more impact on non-participants who might see these things on the news. Suddenly, NOM looks like the shills, as opposed to this other group that is simply celebrating family. And who doesn’t like family??

    I think that most people tend to predispose themselves to supporting free-speech, and cringe at those protesting it, even if we don’t agree with what is being said. I know when I see Obama giving a speech, and some crazies with guns are standing across the street, I tend to lend my support to Obama, even if I might not agree with what he’s saying. Just the same, I can’t stand Glenn Beck, but I tend to affirm my support for his right to say it if I see he’s being shouted down by hippies or whatever.

    So my answer would be, hold your own event and go out of your way to ignore Beck and get whatever you are celebrating or rallying for out there. Don’t even mention him if the media asks you.

  23. Why is there no sane group of fiscally responsible and socially liberal politicians / political groups.

    You seem to have only a choice between the alarmist thocratic lunatic followers of Bush / Beck / Palin or the utopia-seeking free-love welfare state tree huggers.

    Any statesmen in the middle seem to be lost in devotion to some local / special interest issues or get on the bandwagon of whichever group is stronger at the time.

    Why is it so hard to get people in power who actually use REASON to make their decisions. Why do our politicians not debate each other directly but instead only present their ideas to the other lawmakers without any direct rebuttals from the others.

  24. “Why is there no sane group of fiscally responsible and socially liberal politicians / political groups.”

    Because people like that don’t make for good TV. Sad but true.

  25. Because our primary system and two party government doesn’t allow for it. You need to pander to the extremes to win the nomination and then the general election is between two people that represent the “best” of their respective parties.

  26. If you find one, let me know. I could never in good conscience vote for the current incarnation of the Republican Party, with it’s anti-intellectual and Bigoted message. but every time I pull the lever for a democrat who thinks shoveling money on a problem or a group hug will solve the worlds ills, I lose a little mre faith in our system.

    Responsible Politics is dead, and Mass Media killed it.

  27. Why is there no sane group of fiscally responsible and socially liberal politicians / political groups.

    If you get actively involved in politics, beyond sound bytes on the news and the web and you look up your own answers with an open mind you will find them.

    Real life issues and thoughts about those issues are complex. As someone mentioned, those ideas the politicians you are looking for do not make “good tv”

  28. Hmmm…so for starters: the period from WW-II through, say, the Carter Admin – the broad consensus period – was probably the anomaly. The kind of hyper-partisanship we see now was supposedly more the norm in our history.

    That said: I think this is a false dichotomy you’re offering. To begin with: it’s not clear that the “fiscally responsible” people are really on the theocratic, social-reactionary side of things. I know this is DC and huge gov’t waste abounds, but most Dems are not “utopia-seeking free-love welfare state tree huggers”.

    Much of our impending fiscal disaster is the result of lowering taxes at the same time you spend for two wars, and above that: a collapse in revenue due to the collapsing (mismanaged) economy. That all happened under social-reactionary theocratic leadership.

    The Bush(Rove), Beck, Palin wing of hyper-partisans are radical extremists, and they exploit their followers. Which brings me to the real answer to your question: People in Power give the people watching them on TeeVee what they want. Out there, outside the DC bubble, most Americans don’t have the time or means to really educate themselves on issues in a way that would allow them to appreciate reasoned debate.

    I’m sure your question was rhetorical.

  29. Should I think for myself and not sent this question to PoP?

  30. POP’s specialty is knowing what is going on in the DC Metro Area. This would be a good place to come to in order to find out if anyone is organizing related events.

    I learned about this event and other events going on locally, that day, here at POP.

    So the blog is still functioning with its local focus.

  31. Rat King of Dupont

    1. Attend the rally (not as a protester) wearing a burqa

    2. Watch heads explode

    3. ???????

    4. Profit

  32. Bahhhh Hahhhh Hahhhhhh…”Ed. Note: For those that don’t like political discussions on this blog please just move on. A reader wrote in the question and I think it is a fair question whichever side you happen to be on.”

    Yeah move on down the page to an ad from Fenty…

  33. Make a “People Against Ridiculous Protests” sign, put it on a tree, and leave.

  34. I think everyone should rent a copy of the old movie “Idiocracy” and watch it that day. They will feel chilled by the phrase of “life imitates art”

  35. Whatever the original poster does s/he should do it with a large group. A counter-protest with just a few people looks very lame and gives a shot in the arm to the protesters.

  36. PoP, as some constructive criticism, I think you need to highlight the real question here a bit more (“What do you guys recommend is the best way to counter a rally that you find offensive?”)

    I fear that the current title is really only going to steer this debate in the wrong direction.

  37. Nobody has even brought up the most unsettling thing about this rally….the fact that the major promoter of this event is the National Rifle Association.
    YES, that’s right, the NRA is pretty much funding, and promoting the entire thing.


  38. Shaun "Titsy" Bergstrom

    Seriously, what’s with the Fenty ad on this page? So much for objectivity.

  39. Objectivity? From the Advertisement bought by ‘Paid for by Fenty 2010’?

  40. Good grief, it’s an ad. It’s been paid for. Anyone running for office is able to purchase one. It is a very common practice. You will see them on many Web sites. Other campaign ads are also on this site.

    Should any other campaign chose to purchase an ad I will be happy to do so.

  41. I’d like to buy an ad for Monty Brewster, “Vote None of the Above!”

  42. That was my point

  43. who is claiming “objectivity” anyway? is that PoP’s mission?

  44. Kustie the Klown

    And as we know, the NRA is the devil incarnate. Or something.

  45. Kustie the Klown

    Whatever you do, make sure that your comment on this subject meets with PoP’s approval, or he will “disappear” it even though it says nothing offensive.

  46. A comment encouraging a suicide bombing, even in jest, will be deleted without regret or a second thought.

  47. Thank you PoP.

  48. Kustie the Klown

    I was obviously joking. \Encouraging\ a suicide bomber? LOL.

    I notice you haven’t administered any cleanups above in this thread, where your commenters (with your, ahem, ENCOURAGEMENT) impugn, insult and otherwise display open bigotry toward fellow people with whom they disagree.

  49. Phineas Rechter

    Be easy on him, this is obviously new territory for PoP.

  50. Well now you understand the difference between a physical threat and an insult.

    Welcome to civics 101.

  51. You don’t know what kind of sick person is reading a blog comment section. A person who may just take a joke literally. Now or at some point in the future after hearing it a few times.

  52. No he is just a spoiled toddler and there is not much you can do.

  53. If you feel strongly and like to protest, go.

    Why is this something that you needed to email the Prince of Petworth about? Am I the only one who thinks this is all a bit bizarre? PoP rules, but for reasons other than his ability, or his commenters’ abilities, to offer up advice to people on how they should express their political views.

  54. Protesting is boring. Perhaps you should engage some of the people in a civil discussion. Or listen and enjoy the spectacle of it all and afterward critique his statements in an thoughtful way.

  55. Civil discussion?

    All people do at those things is shout at each other. If they speak calmly they just write the other person off as being deluded by getting their information from compromised sources.

  56. I truly am missing something.

    Again, and just what exactly is so offensive about the message of this rally and not the messenger ?

  57. What’s offensive is that he is usurping the legacy of Dr. King in order to push a radical right wing agenda. If you really believe that this rally is only about “honoring military families,” then you’ve obviously never seen his show. The guy talks out of both sides of his mouth.

  58. beck has said so many things that have tainted my opinion of him that i can’t get beyond the messenger. i have no trust in him.

  59. Talking to the glen beck crowd in a meaningful way about responsible politics is going to be like talking to the guys on Whale Wars about the health benefits of whale sushi.

  60. The difference is that the guys on Whale Wars achieve something positive if they get their way. The world of our children will still have those species of whales.

    If the Beck crowd gets their way our children will be living in a country that resembles the one portrayed in the movie Idocracy. A nation of a much lower standard of living, with lower expectations, foolishly believing that they are number 1.

  61. “Go away, I’m bate’n!”

  62. I guess the easy response it just to say “ignore him,” but the sad fact is that there are a lot of crazy people out there who don’t ignore him and in fact, take his words to heart, like that crazy dude in California who was caught with an aresenal of weapons in his car on his way to san Francisco to shoot up the Tides Foundation and the ACLU. The Tides Foundation, of course, has received lots of attention from Beck, who describes it as a communist plot to infiltrate our institutions in order to indoctrinte our children and bring about the fall of capitalism. Beck is worst than a liar and a charlatan. He is egging on extremists.

  63. Perhaps the headline tipped the question a bit off-track. (Though many don’t seem to ever need much “tipping” to go off track.)

    It seemed to me – from actually reading the post – the intent was to have a discussion on “what people think is a good/effective/proper response” to an objectionable event.

    “My usual inclination is that counter-rallies or protests just fan the flames and generate more publicity and often exploitable ugliness. . .”

    Also pretty clear. The story about the “family fun” day was a good example of creative effective response. I plan on ignoring the whole thing, but I still think it is a valid topic for discussion, and this is a perfectly good place for that discussion.

    (my captcha has an upside-down word! Wait while I turn my keyboard around. . .)

  64. Besides the date of the rally, just what exactly is so offensive about the message of this rally and not the messenger ?

  65. are you that slow?
    its about the messenger. we do not think the message is sincere because of the messenger. you can not separate it.

    read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/16/AR2010081605042.html
    its infuriating to those of us that believe in truth and integrity.

    here is becks message: This rally will honor the troops, unite the American people under the principles of integrity and truth, and make a pledge to restore honor within ourselves and our country

    1. we all honor the troops and we don’t need his ass to do that.
    2. sure we all want to be united under integrity and truth,, which is why this is suck a crock of shit coming from beck.
    3. i haven’t lost my honor, have you?

  66. How about holding a flash mob dance in the middle of Beck’s speech? hmmmmm…… what song should it be to?

  67. “I’m Too Sexy” by Right Said Fred.

  68. Oh my gosh that is a genius idea. Very Monty Python.

  69. I would suggest using prayer against them. Counter them with their own weapons. Invite the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart, and focus that power to vaporize these fools into dust.

  70. praise the lords!

  71. POP- thanks for raising awareness for this rally. I am a proud conservative in the District and I will be attending in full and proud support of Mr. Beck.

  72. Though I pick my stances on issues ala carte, I think of myself as a liberal. There are liberals with a strong media presence I do not want myself associated with.

    I would think there are also conservatives who feel the same way about Beck and Palin?

  73. “we do not think (Beck’s) message is sincere”

    Really ?

    65 responses and not one can answer sincerely or directly to the simple question:

    Besides the date of the rally, just what exactly is so offensive about the message of this rally and not the messenger ?

  74. Kustie the Klown

    Heck, i’ll go even further than “the message” and ask what’s so darned offensive about the messenger? As far as i know, Beck presents himself as who he is and you are free to change the channel and whatnot, and not attend (OR EVEN PROTEST!) the rally if you so choose.

    Are contrary viewpoints that dangerous? Or is it really just that you aren’t very confident in your own views, like the dolt who wrote PoP the original query seeking approval/affirmation from the tribe because he doesn’t have the ability to think and decide for himself?

  75. You obviously missed my response mentioning the Tides Foundation.

  76. Kustie the Klown

    Not sure exactly what Beck’s talking about the Tides Foundation has to do with some guy getting arrested.

    By your logic, all liberals are collectively responsible for JFK’s assassination. Nice thinking there, and really well thought out.

  77. In modern times, liberals don’t have any violent extremists. Conservatives do. Conservative pundits have a special obligation to not fan the flames of extremism, inasmuch as this encourages violent behavior.

  78. Your retort doesn’t even make sense. Are you saying that by my logic, liberals are guilty of JFK’s death because Lee Oswald was a communist? That’s not what I’m saying at all. Here’s a better comparison: If some radio personality back in the 60’s consistantly used overheated rhetoric in order to make false statements about how JFK hated white people or was a serious threat to the survival of our nation and Lee Oswald was an admitted fan of this person and usedd the things this person said in justifying his actions, then yes, that radio personality would carry some responsibility for enciting Lee Oswald to violence. Get it now?

  79. Why not infiltrate the rally carrying signs like “I Had a Dream All People Looked Exactly Like Me” or “I Can See 1955 from My House.”

  80. Martin Luther King, Jr’s message was of non-violent action, judging people based upon their character, and inclusion. I don’t know what Glenn Beck or this rally’s message is, but if people feel its message is offense/insulting to the principles on behalf of which MLK devoted his life (due to its timing/location), I fully support their having a separate ceremony that pays tribute to MLK and his message (as a good response or rather as worthy ceremony in its own right).

  81. Kustie the Klown

    That said, Martin Luther King (a lifelong Republican) would probably himself be over at the Beck rally.

  82. There is a big difference between simply being a republican and being out on the infotainment/shock jock/TEA party/Dinosaur with cavemen in a museum/make up your own reality extreme that Beck as well as his fans are on.

  83. Kustie the Klown

    Oh okay. Thanks. That makes a ton of sense.

  84. Now you’re just trying to provoke people. When you want to have a serious discussion, feel free to share your opinion — but not before.

  85. Kustie the Klown

    Yeah tres thanks and all that, but i will keep my own counsel on whether and/or when i comment.

  86. And he would probably be embarrassed to be associated with that criminal Al Shaprton.

  87. Kustie's a Klown

    Seriously? You go from being butthurt about not being able to post your idiotic comment about suicide bombing to posting another moronic comment about how MLK was a Republican? You obviously know what the Southern Strategy was, and you obviously know that socially liberal people were often Republicans back in the day, and socially Conservative people were Democrats, especially in the South. Please stop trolling the thread.

  88. There are monumentally huge differences between Republicans of the 1950s and early-mid 60s and Republicans of today.

  89. Peter Kramtush,

    “The Republicans of the 1950’s and early-mid 60’s” (Dwight Eisenhower, Everett Dirksen, Joseph McCarthy, Robert Taft, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan)

    “are monumentally, hugely different than today”.

    How so ?

    If anything, it’s the Democrats of that period like John F. Kennedy who were anti-communists, lowered taxes, expanded the private sector, increased defense spending, and when traveling abroad spoke of American exceptionalism that are monumentally different than the Democrats of 2010.

    Let’s not be revisionists.

  90. Let’s not be undereducated about American history.

  91. As usual….,

    1. There are needlessly inflammatory comments in the thread. Bored with your job and life, much?

    2. There are some very informative comments in this thread

    3. I’ve learned interesting things about the area
    ( the existence of the rally and other events )

  92. Welcome to Washington, DC. Everybody has boring government or npo jobs, and no matter how much they make themselves believe that they love it here, they’ll be gone in a few years.

  93. “we do not think (Beck’s) message is sincere”

    Really ?

    90 responses and not one can answer sincerely or directly to the simple question:

    Besides the date of the rally, just what exactly is so offensive about the message of this rally and not the messenger ?

    I’ll check back in an another hour.

  94. Troll. Stop asking the same damn question. Someone will reply to your comment when they come up with an answer. In the meantime, you’re making yourself look like a fool and an asshat by reposting the same thing over and over.

  95. I think the point was to demonstrate that nobody had answered it up to this point. Maybe that was a little over your head.

  96. Yeah I’m too dumb to get that.

    Too bad people had answered his question, or at least started to reply to his previous FOUR queries.

  97. Why do you think it’s legitimate to separate the rally from the organizers? The organizers are offensive, and that’s what matters.

    If the KKK held a peace, love and rainbows rally, I wouldn’t attend that either. (And I’m not comparing Glenn Beck and his followers to the KKK…obviously KKK members have the balls to own their racism and GB and company are just idiots unclear about why the election of a black man has made them crazy.)

  98. hear hear.

    I don’t believe Beck when he says he didn’t realize that August 28th was the date of MLK Jr’s speech. He says there will be no politics involved, but he has Palin as a speaker. Even though I agree with the message that this rally is /supposed/ to convey, I would never support something that someone as racist and bigoted as Beck is promoting. Even if it turns out to be all about unifying America, I would be ashamed to be associated with a Glenn Beck event.

  99. Sorry – I honestly don’t know – what is the message that this rally is supposed to convey anyway?

  100. In the wapo article, it says that the “rally will honor the troops, unite the American people under the principles of integrity and truth, and make a pledge to restore honor within ourselves and our country”. Seems like a valid rally topic, although it is quite vague, and could go in any direction. I’m taking it at face value, as in, I support the troops and I am very patriotic. To restore honor seems as though this is where it could get off track and head into the religious zealot zone.

  101. PS this is still Mal – I’m undercover haha. Just wanted to change my username so it’s not my name.

  102. Why would I want to validate a dishonest propagandist?

  103. when someone continuously asks the WRONG question, there is no doubt about simpletons.

  104. i did answer.

  105. look children, look over here . . . Glen Beck! Wow! Look! Al Sharpton, look look look Sarah Palin! Race baiting, look look look! Yes, over here!

    No, no no, stop looking over there at all that money going to support war in Afghanistan! No! Don’t pay attention to the plans and commissions over there figuring out how to get more money from you funneled to those who own the multi-national corporations. Stop looking over there at how we’re screwing you! Focus on the circus instead. Did I mention the Mosque near Ground Zero, come on, look over there!

  106. The best way to counter the Glenn beck rally is to interview the rallyers and post them on YouTube. Who doesnt love watching idiots on YouTube!

  107. Since there is over a hundred posts I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet,(If it has I apologize for re-posting!)but DC Vote is doing a bit of a counter-protest. While they recognize that these people have the right assemble and demonstrate, DC Vote is organizing a march to the Lincoln Memorial in order to rally to “Reclaim the Dream” of full democracy and equality for all Americans, including DC residents who are still treated like second-class citizens. If you want more information about go to http://www.dcvote.org/

  108. Great idea. I usually ignore idiots like GB because I think counter-protesting or giving them any sort of attention at all is just pointless. However, I *am* bothered by the idea of all this hate descending on my beloved DC, and attending the Reclaim the Dream rally seems like the perfect way to counter the GBs of the world. Let’s make that the bigger, better event, paying no mind to the silly racists down the street.

  109. While I’m glad that DC Vote recognizes that these people have the right to assemble and demonstrate, I find it odd that you treat us DC residents like second class citizens inferring that we don’t understand the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I would refer you to Article I and then the 23rd Amendment, both should clarify why DC residents are not second class citizens.

  110. Eric in Ledroit

    I love the idea of attending in a burqa. maybe carrying a “religious fundamentalists for Glenn Beck” sign. wonder if that costume shop on capitol hill has one…

  111. achievesomthingpositive?

    What about the children of Japan?..So if you get your way they can’t have a part of the culture…piss off. When is the last time you saw a whale anyway?

  112. Another creative counter-protesting idea. I remember reading about an organization that decided to take the white supremacist rallies that were occurring in cities in Idaho and turn them into fundraisers for causes that the rally-goers would not find appealing. For every minute they marched, people could call up and pledge money to a certain group. The longer the white supremacists marched, the more money they raised to support racial tolerance.

    If countering the voices at this protest is the OP’s goal, perhaps you could organize a fundraiser – for every X number of people in attendance at Glenn Beck’s rally, you could pledge a certain amount of money or time to charities you support that Glenn Beck would not.

    @Eric in Ledroit: I had to buy burquas for a theater show I did in college. We ended up buying them through a contact in afghanistan because they are surprisingly exepensive in the US.

  113. You silly humans. All this political infighting is just going to make it that much easier in 2012 when Lord Cthulhu awakens in R’lyeh.

  114. This rally is another tea party event. GB says it’s for the troops but I know of several tea party groups out of my home state that are coming up in droves for this rally and are claiming it as a tea party event. This was obviously very intentional and meant to be offensive that this day was chosen. I just toured the civil rights museum in Memphis last week and it’s scary how the same rhetoric is quickly becoming apart of our society once again.

  115. That’s Right, Glenn is not from DC, but DC wants him here anyway

  116. Peter Kramtush,

    “The Republicans of the 1950’s and early-mid 60’s” (Dwight Eisenhower, Everett Dirksen, Joseph McCarthy, Robert Taft, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan)

    “are monumentally, hugely different than today”.

    How so ?

    If anything, it’s the Democrats of that period like John F. Kennedy who were anti-communists, lowered taxes, expanded the private sector, increased defense spending, and when traveling abroad spoke of American exceptionalism that are hugely, monumentally different than the Democrats of 2010.

    Let’s have a serious discussion without being esoteric revisionists.

    “we do not think (Beck’s) message is sincere”

    Really ?

    117 responses and not one can answer sincerely or directly to the simple question:

    Besides the date of the rally, just what exactly is so offensive about the message of this rally and not the messenger ?

    I guess there really isn’t much offensive after all, nor much of serious discussion on this subject on this thread here today, but I still love our PoP.

  117. Kustie the Klown

    Don’t forget that it was the Kennedys and LBJ who tried to use the force of the federal government to harass and discredit MLK. Documents subequently released by the national archives and other sources revealed that Bobby Kennedy, especially, basically got a hard-on for investigating MLK’s private life in an attempt to ruin him. LBJ was, of course, later known for have a special desire to out homosexuals in government, a task for which his aide BILL MOYERS was especially enthusiastic. Moyers finally admitted to this when confronted with all the documents bearing his signature.

    This is all a matter of historical record–i’m not making a word of it up.

    But yeah, republicans EVIL!!! BOOGA BOOGA!!!

  118. I plan to go down and and hold a sign that say ‘I politely disagree’. Civil discourse at it’s finest.

  119. i cannot wait to go! i can’t find anyone to go with. mostly i like to go cause of the hilarity. also the signs.

    protests don’t matter much these days, what with all the permits people get.

    what happened to the days of real dissent?

    whoo palin 2012

  120. My friends and I are planning a protest. We don’t expect it to be anything revolutionary or even the least bit effective. But at the very least, we will have a blast pissing off the Beckers.

  121. It is better to be for something than against something. Eg “Pro Peace” instead of “Anti War”. If protesting a rally, make ur signs positive about the opposite message. Or organize a positive rally or event about the opposite view that you support.

  122. The Glenn Beck counter-protest should feature signs that simply read:

    \TOOL\ (maybe with Glenn’s mugshot)

    and \NUT\ (possibly with Palin’s)

    Pass the word along….
    Tell others to get out & fight Beck!

    Good luck!

  123. Americans need to wake up the fact that Beck is simply another opinion pushing charlatan who is a product of mormon cult theology and he mixes this with his personal make up as a dry alcoholic. On his radio show and Fox Network program he consistent demonstrates all the unstable behaviors of a dry alcoholic which include grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, ADD and indecisiveness. Alongside that reality, Glenn Beck does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, has no college degree, has no qualifications and he is definitely not a true conservative. But then, what can anyone expect from someone who can’t find anything filthier than their own personal reflection. Since people like Beck cannot survive on the basis of any personal merits, they survive by putting others down with lies and half truths in order to feel good about themselves. The truth about Beck is that he a dry mormon alcoholic who never got the counseling required for alcoholics. To further complicate things and confuse people, Beck flippantly throws around Christian terms like “God”, “Jesus”,”Holy Spirit” as well as voices of other so called “Spirit Powers” on his radio talk show. Beck is a mormon in active standing with the mormon church and is not a Christian. Mormonism teaches many gods, that the god of the earth was once a man who attained godhood status, there is no trinity, the cross of Christ means nothing and that Jesus Christ and Satan were brothers. Because Beck does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity, he is the perfect abortion poster child for Fox Network. The people who love what Beck says are no different than the impressionable sheep who loved every speech made by Adolph Hitler in his early years when he brought Germany into an era of economic prosperity These same sheep also blindly followed Hitler into one of the darkest chapters of world history. Beck and the Fox Network both cater to the same lowest common denominator of demagoguery. Beck would not know the first thing about God as he is a mormon. Someone should ask him which of the many mormon gods he kept talking about during his argument with himself on Saturday on the square in DC. Like a typical dry alcoholic, Beck even lied on national television when he spoke about holding a document signed by George Washington. That event never took Place. Unfortunately, people who love being led around by the nose do not realize that Beck is talking about a different god than that of Christianity, Judaism or Islam and that he has been a product of mormonism cultism from the day he started doing a radio talk show as an opinion pusher. You don’t have to have a degree in psychology to see that he exhibits all the signs of a dry alcoholic. The only reason this unstable impressionable idiot fell into mormonism was because the woman he wanted to have sex with would not do so unless they got first got married and from that point, they joined the mormon cult. Glenn Beck is as big a charlatan as Josephs Smith or that 5th grade graduate (Charles T Russell) who started the Jehovah’s Witness cult. This is Glenn Beck in a very accurate & concise nutshell. Considering the fact that Becks personal views are extreme Marxist Libertarian, his form of patriotism is false and he is a person who has no real substance or depth. It will not surprise many of us when Beck’s next big thing is to come out of the closet and announce his homosexuality to the nation. Simply put…he is just another political neocon.

  124. Dennis is on the left wings payroll. He has posted his same rant word for word across the internet using different names in an attempt to slander conservative voices.


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