Co-Founder of Taylor Gourmet in Photo Op with President Trump this morning. “Not Cool” or just Business?

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“Dear PoPville,

Just noticed one of the owners of Taylor Gourmet in photo with trump this morning. Not cool! We need the local D.C. Businesses to support positive things.”

Time Magazine reported:

“President Donald Trump has signed an executive action aimed at significantly cutting regulations for small businesses.

The president was surrounded by small business leaders as he signed the order in the Oval Office Monday morning.”

You can see a EPA press photo here. “U.S. President Donald J. Trump (L) shakes hands with Casey Patten (R), the co-founder of Taylor Gourmet, during a meeting with small business leaders in the Roosevelt Room of the White House in Washington, DC, USA, 30 January 2017.”

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  • Urk. He probably views this as “just business,” but I predict it will have very unpleasant consequences for his revenue. Hard to believe a small business owner in the DC area could be so tone-deaf. Wow.

    • I predict it will have absolutely no impact at all. 99% of people who eat there probably won’t even know this meeting took place and those that do know of it likely won’t care.

    • These kinds of questions are tough for me right now. Resistance is not disengagement. I don’t know how much of the meeting was public, but if he and the other small business leaders made the business case against the ban or against denying healthcare to people, then ok. He’s using the opportunity to speak truth the power.
      If not, then it starts to look like a problem.

      • Well, the easy thing for him to do would be come out and publicly repudiate Trump and say that he used his opportunity to pressure Trump to reform. We’ll see if he does that.

    • Tom

      You beat me to it. Knowing our Dear Leader is so unpopular in this area, I’m a bit surprised Patten didn’t take a minute to wonder, “Hmm, am I gonna catch flak from a lot of my customer base if I pose with Trump; if so, how much?”

    • see Buttercream Bake Shop (Tiffany MacIsaac). they made (copied) an inauguration cake for Trump

  • Digusting. Won’t eat their overpriced sandwiches ever again. There is nothing neutral about standing beside a tyrant to improve his photo op.

    • Agree completely. If you’re a business owner who supports Trump, that’s your right. But I’ll vote with my feet and take my money elsewhere.
      Dan, can we now cut back on the posts highlighting Taylor’s seasonal menu changes? 🙂 Even ignoring the Trump photo-op, Taylor’s quality has been on the steady decline.

    • Agree. This sort of thing normalizes what is an entirely abnormal and unacceptable situation.

      • This. And the willingness to be exploited by someone attempting to seize authoritarian control. It’s not even that I want to formally protest Taylor’s decisions—I’ve simply lost my appetite.

  • Eh, not a big deal.

  • I just picked up a Taylor Gourmet sandwich for lunch. Guess I’d better savor it since I don’t think I’ll be going back for a while.

  • Not cool
    #nohate #nofear #refugeesarewelcomehere

  • I don’t like Taylor subs as is, but this means I’ll pass on Taylor even as mere sustenance.

  • I couldn’t bring myself to shake his tiny hand, and this is just another reason to eat somewhere else.

  • I mean, not excited about this but he was also in a number of photo ops with Obama as well over the years so I’m guessing he’s an opportunist rather then truly supporting Trump.

  • The magazine reports significantly cutting regulations for small business which in return would help small businesses. Wouldn’t that be a positive thing for local businesses to support? If this didn’t involve Trump, how would it be perceived?

    • Yeah, of course small business owners would make more money if we didn’t have labor regulations to protect workers.

      But regardless of whether you’re on the side of workers or business owners, there’s a million other things going on unrelated to this that would make any reasonable people stay as far from a social meeting with the president as possible. Unless this guy went for the opportunity to criticize him to his face, which would be admirable.

    • To be clear, this is the “two out, one in” regulation EO that would require any new regulation to be offset by the elimination of two existing regulations. This isn’t about helping small businesses; it’s about attacking the EPA and other agencies that protect Americans.

    • My SO is a small business owner and he is vehemently anti-Trump, in particular for his racist policies that affect his employees and the bigoted and sexist rhetoric that will affect his children. Some people are able to see beyond themselves.

    • What regulations would you like to see removed? The ones that keep your food refrigerated? The ones that make employees wash their hands? Maybe the ones that protect the health and safety of low-wage employees? How about the ones that protect the environment by regulating what businesses can do with their waste?

      • @wdc Exactly. Makes you wonder precisely what fuckery he wants to pull. All the more reason to not buy from Taylor – for all we know, the regs he opposes are health & safety.

    • The magazine reports that Trump says banning Muslims will significantly fight terrorism which will make us all safer. Wouldn’t that be a positive thing to support? If this didn’t involve Trump, how would it be perceived?

      (and because it’s the Internet, yes, sarcasm)

    • HaileUnlikely

      Personally, I don’t have any idea. I’m not a small business owner. I’m not going to pretend I know the first thing about regulations applicable to small businesses. I’m not ready to crucify any given individual for accepting the invitation and attending the meeting, though. I could change my opinion based on specific details of which I’m not yet aware, but this whole discussion has all the merit of a gawker article that starts off “You’ll Never Believe Who So-And-So Just Shook Hands With!”

      • @Haile – fair point, I’m not a small business owner either.

        But think about the regulations like to affect a business like Taylor Gourmet. That’s the health codes; safety codes; laws about whom they can employ, the minimum they can pay, and minimum standards for working conditions; probably insurance regs; and taxes.

        I’m not comfortable buying food from a business owned by a man who wishes the health code was less strict, or wishes he could dump his grease wherever, or wishes he could jerk around his food prep employees, or wishes he could cut corners on safety, or wishes he could stiff the District on taxes.

        • HaileUnlikely

          Me neither. I’m just not comfortable with jumping to that conclusion based on a photo., that’s all.

  • I guess we also can’t know if he was talking to trump about the importance of health plans for small business owners or a livable wage – though we can be sure it’d fall on deaf ears. Guess i’ll see if Taylor releases a statement clarifying the owner’s view/role at the meeting…

  • This is where things get a little tricky from my perspective. I’m appalled enough at this point to want everything Trump does to be a steaming pile of s***, but the reality is that some things he does might actually be OK or even good. Without knowing exactly what was signed this morning, I would say that I have no problem with boosting small business.
    It disgusts me to say anything positive about Trump, but then again I risk turning myself into a caricature of an outraged liberal if I can’t even admit that some of the stuff he does is probably OK. I don’t eat at Taylor Gourmet anyway so this particular case is not a problem for me.

    • Trump wants to do things that are good for small business owners but bad for their employees. If you prioritize the labor class in this country you shouldn’t support deregulation of business. I only have health insurance right now because of regulation that forces my small business owner boss to help cover her employees. You better believe she wouldn’t be doing that out of the goodness of her heart if regulations weren’t in place.

    • “It disgusts me to say anything positive about Trump, but then again I risk turning myself into a caricature of an outraged liberal if I can’t even admit that some of the stuff he does is probably OK.”
      This is an important point (though I have no idea whether the actions taken today fall into this category).

      • This. I have a very liberal anti-trump friend who confuses me when he says things that sound like they would be along the lines with trump or other republicans. For example, how can one say the healthcare needs to be replaced and constantly complain about the cost of his healthcare, but then criticize trump for wanting to repel and replace? Is it more of a status thing or embarrassment to never admit that the man may have one or two good ideas?

        • Blithe

          With that particular example, a prudent person would ask “replace with What?”, and note that while it’s possible that Trump might have one or two good ideas, given the plethora of bad ones, criticism — rather than giving the benefit of the doubt — is likely warranted. I — a very liberal anti-Trump person, would be delighted if Trump came up with a better, less expensive health care plan. But since he hasn’t revealed any details, my working assumption is that Trump’s plan is all smoke and mirrors — at least until an actual, you know, Plan proves me wrong.

          • This is right on. Given the disregard for careful consideration of policy and expertise exhibited by Trump, it’s reasonable to conclude that any replacement for the PPACA would amount to giving every American a big box of Band-Aids. That would be bad.

            That said, heath care reform, as we’ve seen it, has produced some serious negative effects for the folks paying for themselves. I’ve been getting health insurance through the individual market for a decade and this past fall, I was in a position where I had to choose between keeping my doctors (with a Carefirst plan) or keeping the several thousand pre-tax dollars I have in my HSA account (now that Kaiser is the only insurer offering HSA-compatible plans in DC after Aetna left and Carefirst stopped offering them). Either way I chose, my monthly costs were going to go up by at least 75%.

            So yeah, it’s reasonable to say the costs are high and the coverage options have diminished while also fearing that change (for the sake of change) can always make things worse.

          • Blithe

            FWIW, I’m harboring a delusional fantasy that Trump will propose extending Medicare and/or Medicaid. There are already frameworks in place, it would allow for price negotiations — i.e. “deals” — with drug companies and health care providers, and it can be priced according to income — with variations tailored by each state. It would be, as billed, both better and cheaper than the current options available through ACA. It’s a simple idea AND at least some of those who now detest Trump, would openly appreciate and admire him for it– even as we assess his other actions critically. It’s win-win, and if Trump — spiting the Democrats and giving him one up on both the Clintons and Obama– is the president who pulls off a plan like that, I will loudly and frequently thank him for it.

    • There’s an interesting Politico article that addresses this issue from the perspective of the Nixon presidency.
      Basically, Nixon did a lot of things liberals should have liked, but the hatred for him was so strong that he never got credit for those actions. So he basically said fuck it, if the liberals aren’t going to give me any credit, there’s no reason to keep doing these things. Also interesting (i.e. terrifying) are the close parallels between Nixon’s and Trump’s personalities.

  • while deregulating small business makes sense, no one is reporting on the specifics of the order (that I can find). The only thing I see is that for any new regulation going forward, two existing regulations must be eliminated. Which might be the dumbest regulation policy I’ve ever heard. If he wants to eliminate onerous regulations, he should go through them and eliminate them. But this is so dumb.

    And I’m done with Taylor.

    • “for any new regulation going forward, two existing regulations must be eliminated. Which might be the dumbest regulation policy I’ve ever heard. If he wants to eliminate onerous regulations, he should go through them and eliminate them. But this is so dumb.”
      Agreed. “One in, two out” is arbitrary and stupid.

  • From the Daily Mail:

    White House officials are calling the directive a ‘one in, two out’ plan. It requires government agencies requesting a new regulation to identify two regulations they will cut from their own departments. ‘The American Dream is back. We’re going to create an environment for small business like we haven’t had in many, many decades,’ Trump declared this morning at a meeting with small business leaders, before signing his latest executive order. Like many of the orders Trump has signed since taking office earlier this month, today’s directive makes good on one of his previous promises. Trump said just after his election that he’d mandate a two-for-one policy in his first 100 days in office.

    • I’d be willing to cut someone a break for a legit meeting that legit had to do with small business, but the new regulation ban is a cluster-f*** designed to gum up the functioning of every single federal agency. Agreeing to help propagandize such an irresponsible and sweeping change as pro-small business takes either a fool or a true believer. If they knew why they were there, then Taylor can take their sandwiches and stuff them where the sun doesn’t shine.

      • +1 to “the new regulation ban is a cluster-f*** designed to gum up the functioning of every single federal agency.”
        Government agencies issue regulations for all kinds of things, many (perhaps most?) of which have nothing to do with small businesses.

    • Blithe

      This two-for-one “policy” seems bizarre to me. I can get looking at the regulations and cutting regulations that seem gratuitous by some standard. To do it by numbers rather than by quality or effectiveness doesn’t make sense to me. What am I missing here?

      • Perhaps an overall end goal of limiting regulations all together so that small businesses can have more of an opportunity in the market. I assume part of his goal to drain the swamp and shrink government oversight/regulations.

      • HaileUnlikely

        Just playing devil’s advocate here, this may just be mainly to discourage *new* regulations. My understanding, which is woefully uninformed and might be wrong, is that regulations don’t have to be cut for the heck of it, they just need to cut if new ones are to be enacted. In theory, having to answer the question, “What two existing regulations am I willing to give up in exchange for this new one?” should lead regulators to be more thoughtful than they might otherwise be when proposing new regulations. Just playing devil’s advocate, but it only has to be conceptualized as cut cut cut if one is trying to implement a bunch of new regs at the same time.

        • So yes, I think that is part of it as well ” this may just be mainly to discourage *new* regulations.”. A way to limit regulations on the private small business sector…

          • “A way to limit regulations on the private small business sector…” Except that it’s not targeted in that manner. It limits regulations on EVERYTHING.

          • Yes everyone.. Somehow I leaned to small biz because thats what Trump specifically identified but yes I agree…

        • Blithe

          Thanks all! I still don’t get it — but at least I now have another way to approach my not-getting-it-ness. I hope the goal of “thoughtfulness” is accurate. I get that it’s better to have 10 well-thought-out regulations that are followed than to have 100 that are confusing and inconsistently implemented. From the little that I’ve read though, it seems like just saying “one is better than two”, while I’m thinking : “I want you to both wash your hands AND refrigerate the meat”. To be continued….

          • The underlying assertion is that there are too many regulations, of which many are not good. The 1-for-2 is somewhat arbitrary, but it means you can’t increase the number of regulations – you either leave it the same or you reduce it. It also implies getting rid of bad rules in favor of good rules, but that’s highly subjective. That’s basically it.

          • Blithe

            Thank you Anonymous 3:52. I appreciate — and understand — your very clear explanation.

  • Patten is a cowardly collaborator.

  • Not cool. DC business owners should be held as accountable as was Uber. You support Trump, DC does not support you.

  • No problem with folks criticizing POTUS for doing stupid shit. They can and should do so. Don’t believe businesses like Taylor Gourmet should be punished for celebrating what they believe is a positive move made by the Administration though. It’s completely acceptable and reasonable to acknowledge the good while continuing to fight he bad. If you are dying of thirst, you need not refuse a drink because you don’t like the cup or the person who handed it to you. Take the drink, say thanks and fight on.

    • Fair point, if anyone is dying of lack of hoagie and near a taylor you should stop in and get a hoagie, then fight on. Serious question, if a business supported a terrible social injustice because they thought it would be good for business would you think punishing them (with your wallet) would be wrong?

    • If Taylor owners think the arbitrary one in, two out is good for America, then I will boycott the restaurant for their stupidity. (As others said, this is very different from looking for area of unnecessary, burdensome regulations on small business.)

      And at times like this, individuals, companies, etc. sometimes need to look past their self-interest and think about what the Administration may do to others. Many, including the rich and powerful, may benefit in the short term from this Administration. We need them loud in opposition, not complacent in self-interest.

      • Heh. To the first sentence – the rest I agree with, but mostly I just needed a laugh after the past 10 days.

    • But the bad has entirely delegitimized him. He can throw the occasional “good” bone (of which this is not) but that doesn’t change the fact that the man has no regard or understanding of basic human decency. And that’s not hyperbole.

      If you are going to publicly endorse his actions, you won’t get my business.

    • A supposidely non-partisan sandwich shop has no right to expect continued business if it is helping the Trump Administration frame the “one in, two out” new regulation ban as pro-business. That ban literally affects all aspects of the workings of federal government agencies. How the heck does Taylor Gourmet have a stake in the functioning of Section 8 housing or protecting endangered species or managing air traffic control or procurement for the American History Museum?

      Every federal employee and congressional staffer will understand how regulations aren’t just beans in a jar that you can pull out by the fistful.

  • I had a real problem with people treating Obama with a lack of respect, I kept saying dislike the man, respect the office. I am having a really hard time with that since He Who Cannot Be Named came into power.

  • Seriously, get a life. I voted for Hillary and would never try to start a witch hunt over a photo op. This is a local business, remember we are Stronger Together.

    • Except that these owners aren’t “together” with us – they demonstrated support for an idiotic new order from a terrible new leader. They set themselves up for this.

      • Lol with “us”. Pathetic liberal tolerance I see. I maintain that I’ll never be a liberal because you will never mandate what I must think to considered part of “us” …whatever that means. It’s not xenophobic to have American safety the first concern.

        • Smilla

          One of my favorite signs from yesterday’s protest: “Stop pretending your racism is patriotism.”
          The Muslim ban has nothing to do with protecting America. “Pathetic liberal tolerance” — you don’t really need to say much more than that. With language like that, it’s clear you’ll never be a liberal.

          • @Smilla
            Except it’s not a Muslim ban. Only 7/48 Muslim-majority countries are on the travel ban, those countries were expressly selected by DHS as being of particular security concern, and non-Muslims from those countries face the same travel prohibitions.
            Is the executive order ill-conceived? Sure. Was the intention of the executive order to prevent as much Muslim immigration as possible? Maybe. However, as it stands the outcome of the executive order is not a “ban on Muslims”. Let’s be intellectually honest.

  • HaileUnlikely

    Not enough info to comment intelligently; I’d be interested in learning more about the meeting.

    • This hasn’t prevented you from commenting, however.

    • Haile if you continue to try so hard to find the quishy “what if?” middle, you’ll never end up taking a stand for anything.

      • HaileUnlikely

        Your logic has all the merit of that which led the dumb guy from North Carolina to drive to Comet Ping Pong with a gun. He had some uninformed idea based on something he read, which today seems to be as good as actually knowing facts, so he decided to act on it, without actually knowing sh!t about sh!t. I’ll grant that boycotting an overpriced sandwich shop is less harmful than going in there with a gun, but your reasoning is about as strong as that guy’s.

    • YET you continue to comment – prefaced with all sorts of qualifiers: “I don’t have any idea”, “[m]y understanding, which is woefully uninformed”, “[n]ot enough info to comment intelligently”, “I don’t think we [royal we?] have any idea what this guy’s role in the meeting was”

  • I’m assume that the photo will be framed and displayed prominently in every Taylor’s. As a now ex-customer I guess I won’t get to see it.

  • Well, somebody could ask this guy, Patten, why he went there to meet Trump, and also ask what his stances are on the issues.

    Personally, I don’t eat bread or chips anymore, so … unless he and his business are another Chick-Fil-A disaster, working to stop people from having their rights, then I can’t care much. His food is overpriced and too full of carbohydrates.

  • justinbc

    There are about 493 other things I would like to change about this administration so far before I get to the point of caring about a Taylor Gourmet photo op. Didn’t we, as liberals, just make a giant stink about businesses who refused to interact with certain subsets of the population based on their beliefs?

    • Material difference between a business refusing services to portions of the population and people allowing their consumption decisions to be informed by their values. IMO.

      • justinbc

        Of course, it’s always different when it goes our way, right?

        • To turn it around, I believe that Comet Ping-Pong (for example) would not be within their rights to refuse to serve Southern Baptists. I do believe that Southern Baptists would be well within their rights to refuse to patronize Comet Ping Pong.

          I may not agree with a boycott based on values I do not share, but I still think that boycott is fundamentally distinguishable from a business discriminating against certain customers.

          • justinbc

            I don’t really care about people who refuse to patronize this business based on their disagreements, what I do care about is people who act as if this business owner shouldn’t talk to the POTUS based on their (assumed) differences in beliefs, or even more ignorantly assuming he shares beliefs with the POTUS simply because he met with him.

  • Look at the mob mentality of all the anti-Trump people here. Isn’t it ironic that you lot keep portraying Trump as a modern-day Hitler, yet your kneejerk boycotting of anyone connected to the man is so similar to the refusal in Nazi Germany to patronize Jewish businesses? I guess the leftist urban elite are now no better or different than the HUAC in the 1950s. Ah, the tolerant left.

    • the correct analogy here is that folks are boycotting people that are supporting Hitler.

    • LOL. Analogies are hard.

    • Your comment is both stupid and offensive.

      • Maybe offensive to you personally, but not offensive to the many people the “tolerant” left tries to silence through intimidation. Do you wonder why you only hear praise? It’s because you’re stuck inside your own echo chamber.

        • no, offensive because your analogy doesn’t hold up. It is trying (but failing) to equate Trump and his supports as the victims ala the Jewish people in Europe during the WWII. That’s both ridiculous and patently offensive.

        • Wrong. It is offensive because you are comparing those who are fighting against fascism to those who were fascist oppressors. That’s why it’s stupid.

    • I think a more apt analogy is this: Mussolini was a fascist. Mussolini made the trains run on time. What would you think about people who normalized and supported (through photo-ops etc) Mussolini’s train policy?

      In other words, if you think of Trump as just another politician, who you can agree with on some issues and disagree with on others, then the fact that a person stands in for a photo op on one issue might not be grounds to boycott or denounce that person. But if you believe Trump is anti-democratic, then any thing a person does to normalize his power is, for me, problematic.

      I actually like Taylor’s sandos, but I will not be eating them anymore.

  • It’s one thing if he had a legit reason to be there. But I don’t see how one in two out benefits Taylor. Sorry, Taylor you’ve lost my business.

  • saf

    Dan, can you ask him for a comment?

  • This is equivalent to boycotting Chick-Fil-A based on the founders beliefs. I still eat the yummy hate-filled chicken just like I will still eat delicious overpriced hoagies

  • I don’t understand the goal of shunning any business or individual who interacts with Trump in any capacity. Isolating Trump and his supporters, or non-supporters who interact with him, does not remove him from power; if anything, it likely will strengthen their resolve and give them further opportunity to pretend to be victims of the system. What does it accomplish for a business owner (or anyone) to give up their seat at the table, when they could use that seat to maybe influence policy in a positive direction? If Patten gave up his spot, I’m sure there’s no shortage of small business owners who would fill his place and maybe not be as cognizant of the concerns of DC residents.

    • HaileUnlikely

      I agree with this. As of this moment I don’t think we have any idea what this guy’s role in the meeting was. I am not on board with vilifying him for simply being present without knowing (or as most above, without even expressing any interest in knowing) what his role was.

    • Agree, just an example of SJW at their finest

    • This is what I was trying to explain in regards to Uber’s CEO and Elon Musk. If all intelligent people simply give up their seat, what will the rest of us be left with? I do think it’d be good for those people to clarify their position’s (for their business’s sake), but I’m not going to full stop boycott Uber or Taylor (or if I could even afford it in the first place, Tesla) based on them having a seat at the table. I certainly hope there will be people providing a voice of reason amidst all the insanity (and yes, I know we don’t know if that is their intention, but we also don’t know it’s not their intention).

  • I hope all the people saying they have a problem with this and will be boycotting Taylor Gourmet (while totally their right to do so) remember in the end that hurting a DC franchise like this by not giving them business really will only hurt their employees in the DMV area when they struggle so much that they have to cut jobs etc.

    Not only that, but I also hope (for those people who were highly offended by this handshake) that you had the same reaction to Ben’s Chili Bowl (another DC franchise) when they didn’t take down the Bill Cosby mural (I know it’s down now, but he is still an option to put back on the wall) on their wall. Or when Busboy’s and Poets owner makes anti-Israeli comments.

    I get it’s easy to see anything with Donald Trump these days and get angry and automatically just right off anyone or anything he touches or talks to, but at some point reason has to take hold instead of blatant bias across the board. I’m no fan of Trump, but I think this is a little too much. Focus energy where it should be, not on this. Don’t hurt people you don’t mean to hurt indirectly.

    • I don’t get the correlation to Bill Cosby or Busboys to this post to be honest. I just googled the Andy Shallal item you noted as I was unaware of what you referring to and noticed this comment on the matter.

      And hallal, an Iraqi-born activist, has been a vocal critic of Israel. He has said the Jewish state is engaged in “occupation” and is “terrorizing the Middle East,” asserting that Palestinians are being “ethnically cleansed, humiliated, harassed, imprisoned, serially murdered, and assassinated.” He has also claimed that the U.S. government receives “marching orders from Tel-Aviv.”

      I am not sure if his assertions are correct but if Palestinians are being slaughtered that is a reason to take issue with.

      And then there are articles Condemning Obama and Kerry for not allowing Israeli settlements in the West Bank…

      • stacksp, my point was if you’re equating not going to Taylor Gourmet because of the owner meeting with Donald Trump and shaking hands and by that measure he supports Trump and what not, then by the same measure if you go to Ben’s Chili Bowl then you support them keeping up a very offensive mural of someone who is involved in sexual assault and you should be as aghast to that situation and boycotted going there. I’m saying because it’s Trump, it’s easier to “hate” because it’s Trump. Also, it was an issue for a bit re: Busboy’s and Poets.

        • I mean, Trump is also a known sexual assaulter, so.

          (Yes, I did stop eating at Ben’s after the Cosby stuff.)

        • I guess I can see the correlation. There appears to be zero tolerance for “fence sitters” and I guess that is what we are seeing in the posts today. Kind of crazy that we have arrived to this point… The country is really divided right now.. kind of sad.

    • Accountering

      I don’t agree one bit with this sentiment. I am not going to eat less food – this just means OTHER DC small businesses will get more of my money. I’m not going to spend less overall, just less at this place, and more at other places.

      • Accountering, Eat less food? Not sure I get that summation. I didn’t say to go on a hunger strike or to eat less anywhere in my post. My point was I hope you were on the forefront for other food places, like the ones I mention above, if you’re to be consistent, otherwise it just looks hypocritical and subjective.

        • He was clearly responding to this: “I hope all the people saying they have a problem with this and will be boycotting Taylor Gourmet (while totally their right to do so) remember in the end that hurting a DC franchise like this by not giving them business really will only hurt their employees in the DMV area when they struggle so much that they have to cut jobs etc.”

          • Sorry, it wasn’t that clear. How do you know Accountering is a “he”? Anyway, I also still don’t see the counterpoint. Are you saying it won’t hurt Taylor Gourmet’s employees in the end if the lose business and cut jobs because they lose so much money over this? I don’t see how this is not the case and the people hurt by this are the ones not intended to hurt. And as I said earlier, it’s everyone’s right to do as they see fit, I’m just questioning the tactics and consistency.

          • Accountering is a frequent commenter on this blog, and I believe it has been established that he is a he. Also, I believe his point is that by taking his business to other D.C.-based small businesses, he will continue to support small businesses, just not ones whose co-founder helped legitimize the sitting president. Taylor Gourmet employees are not entitled to Accountering’s business and are presumably capable of finding employment at the other local sandwich shops that Accountering hasn’t single-handedly bankrupted.

          • Accountering is a long-time member of this community. We not only know he’s a he, some people know his real name, his fiancee, where he lives, and how he looks in his PoP t-shirt on vacation.

          • justinbc

            @Truxton, no business owner meeting will help “legitimize” the POTUS. The electoral process we use here has already done that. You may not like him, but he is now your POTUS, as legitimate as it gets, for better or worse.

  • Ask Taylor directly via Twitter/Facebook if you’re concerned. Let them know you’re a customer and have questions that you would like answered before you’ll patronize the business again. Tell THEM, not us, how you feel

  • I’ll be taking my dollars elsewhere. A friend of a fascist is no friend of mine.

  • Accountering

    I sent the following to them via their website:


    I just wanted to reach out regarding your cofounder Casey Patten’s meeting with President Trump. I think the tone-deafness on this is striking, at a moment when your home city is strongly united against his undemocratic, racist, disgusting actions, to meet with this man voluntarily gives approval to his actions, and is to me something I cannot look past. I was planning on ordering a three foot long sandwich for our super bowl party from the 5th and K location (such a cool idea, would have been a big hit!) but I will be going in another direction. I trust you have seen the coverage on Popville, but suffice it to say, I cannot support a business who doesn’t support me and my city.

    Best regards,

    • Good idea! I just did something similar. Basically left a comment that I typically buy lunch at the Taylor near my workplace several times a month and will no longer be doing so unless Taylor issues an apology or an acceptable explanation, preferably an apology 🙂 And a strong condemnation of Trump and everything he stands for. The man is NOT NORMAL. I do not agree with the approach of picking and choosing the policies you can get on board with. I will never normalize and I will never forgive him, for anything… but especially the cruel and barbaric and totally counter-productive separation of children from their families this weekend (and ongoing). I will forgive Trump voters, however, who denounce him. As to him personally though, there is no negotiating with dictator kleptocrats and there is no “innocent” meeting with him.

    • Well done, Accountering!

    • saf

      LItteri and Vace both have very good party subs. And both locally owned!

  • maxwell smart

    OMG you guys. It’s clearly #hoagiegate and Taylor is an underground trafficking ring for the RNC. Conspiracy?! Let’s read too far into non-existent clues on the menu and draw parallels to something we can all agree is terrible.

    Look, I am 100% not a Trump supporter, but let’s remember to go high and not try to read into something that might be 100% meaningless.

  • I’m going to go ahead and hate trump but eat at Taylor. I don’t need to strong arm every other human being into my belief system. If he was vocally supporting Trump’s policies, sure, maybe. For all I know the small biz leaders were talking to him about how bad his policies are.

    Fascism goes both ways. You need to respect people. Many Trump supporters are small minded racists. But many, many Trump supporters are not racist. They just see the world differently than you do. I will respect them and talk to them (and eat their delicious sandwiches).

  • Shaking hands with the devil.

  • Business owner in a city that overwhelmingly voted against Trump takes a photo-op with Trump. Clearly, not a smart businessman and certainly lost my business (not an empty claim, Taylor is part of my usual walk from the gym).

  • you guys are ridiculous. Patten hosted President Obama for a business roundtable at Taylor and said he supported his proposals 100 percent. That is a quote. The man has gone to small business roundtables now with two presidents. He’s being a good businessman.

    He didn’t endorse Trump. He didn’t say he voted for him. He didn’t say he liked him. He simply went to a small business roundtable. The reactionary preening here is unbelievable.

    • +1

    • I think you mean radical, not reactionary.

    • Cool! Then he will have no problem explaining that.

      • I think this is the difference. Frankly, Patten should have posted the photo himself and tell the public what he discussed with Trump. For example, if Patten thinks health care coverage should be divorced from occupations and instead replaced with Single Payer so workers AND business have more flexible arrangements (while also lowering costs and burden for small businesses), tell us that!
        Know your customers and think about how they will react. Especially in a city like DC where 96% of people did not vote for the PoTUS.

        • he should tell us his views on health care? he runs a freaking sandwhich shop. he’s not running for office. why are his views on health care anyone’s business and why would they impact where you get a sandwhich? so. damn. ridiculous.

          the idea that patten “should have posted the photo himself” is also flabbergasting. they. make sandwiches.

  • Never again. Sundevich is much much better.

  • Taylor gets a pass because they don’t go out of their way to align with Trump and ‘giving him time’. On the other hand, #deleteUber is a totally worthy cause as the CEO has been publicly support Trump.

    Talk about not knowing their customers are digital natives. Too many other options – and cheaper, too.

    Please #deleteUber – and tell them why.

  • Those federal small business regulations must be killing Taylor! That’s why they couldn’t grow and open more DC locations during the Obama administration. Less federal regulations = more locations for Taylor. First Moscow store also opening soon!

  • I know Casey since I opened the Wiseguy and he a very nice guy.
    We exchange ideas all the time.
    Just because he is in the same picture doesn’t mean he supports Mr President agenda.

    He runs a small business and was there for “job creation for small business”

    Also It’s hard not to go when president of USA invites you. Casey has pictures with Obama too.

    He is a local business owner, started in D.C. And hopefully will be all over USA.
    I like the guy, he is a good man and I feel this is not fair to him.

    • Have ethics and morals. When this POS invites you to the white house, you say no.

      • HaileUnlikely

        I find navigating life pretty complex as it is, and I just work for a big company that pays me for showing up. I imagine things are even more complex when one owns a business.

        • you “[JUST] work for a big company that pays [you] for showing up”. HUH. Which federal agency do you work for? Of which privately owned company? Or whatever? Point being, you should be fired as it’s clear you contribute NOTHING to your employer (except for having a shit ton of time to surf the internetzzzzzz). anyway, good luck with “navigating” life.

      • Not everyone sees the works the way you do. I don’t support Trump either, but condemning and trashing the other (nearly) half of the country who see things differently only deepens the political divide. We need to listen to each other, not have the “with us or against us mentality.”

      • justinbc

        And what do you think the outcome of that will be? Pissing off the POTUS who has trigger-happy wackjobs drooling over his next Twitter defamation target? It’s easy to proclaim what others should do when you have zero stake in the game.

        • Frankly, if 45 took to twitter with taylor gourmet as his next defamation target, i think the residents of DC would swarm the sandwich shop with love. it would be good advertising for them. And, I don’t think there is anything wrong with turning down the invite – you don’t have to specify your politics as why. I know it’s not the same, but I was invited to an event Trump would be at and turned it down. I’m not normalizing it and have no apologizes.

    • So here is the problem with all this. 1) suggesting he doesn’t necessarily support Trumps hateful agenda just because he was in photo ignores the fact that being silent speaks volumes. history shows us that silence equates to complacency. 2) yes it’s hard to say no when the POTUS calls you to the White House but since when has “it’s hard” been an acceptable reason to opt in or out of something. Doing the right thing is rarely easy 3) what job creation? It’s no secret that a majority of his employees are immigrants… and I feel for them. @wiseguy do you not?Their boss just shook hands with someone who is calling for deportation unlike other business owners who pledged to protect their employees 4) had he mentioned the visit and provided an explanation or any context after the meeting people would not be as upset. You want to go discuss small business regulations great then come home and donate to the ACLU so you will be able to staff your new locations. 5) The statement he released is hollow, lacking any human emotion. But then again that seems to be the underlying trend. Silence, tone deaf or just not really caring… probably a combo of all the above. And for the record I feel for him. It cannot feel good to face all this backlash from a city that help make you but being able to have these conversations and holding people accountable for their choices are the pillars to our democracy. People respect those who stand for what’s right not those who just stand by.

  • I’ve loved Taylor since Day 1 on H Street. His business has grown so fast in ~8 years and he’s helped kick off the restaurant boom in DC and brought people to H Street, which has helped my property value! Taylor hires a lot of employees.

    It’s an honor to meet the President. Obama and Biden ate at TAylor and they sold cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia and bombed the b’Jesus out of the Middle East. Is it good to bomb civilians and US citizens in Yemen? Not sure. Don’t care. I’ll continue to eat at Taylor.

  • Trump just tweeted this out: The guy to Trump’s left is the owner of Taylor’s Gourmet.

  • Taylor Gourmet: you’ve been TRUMPED

  • You’re either with us or against us. Sorry, but this means BOYCOTT.

  • Andy Shallal there? Marc Barnes? I know Jose Andres ain’t there. Any small business owners who are anything but white guys?

    • justinbc

      Actually looking at the photo it’s mostly not-white-guys. 4 women, 1 black guy, 1 Asian guy, and 3 possibly white guys.

  • I’d love to know which “onerous regulations” are causing so much for Taylor Gourmet.
    Building codes? Food safety standards? The minimum wage? Zoning?

  • I don’t support Trump and didn’t vote for him. However, the reaction to this is excessive. I have friends and family who did vote for Trump, and have different political views. Do I disown them and never speak with them again? That’s the kind of mentality occurring here. If this deeply divided country is ever going to find peace, kneejerk reactions on both ends of the political spectrum need to end.

  • Let’s work to undermine the livelihoods of people who meet with and show up in photos with the president. This is definitely something we should be doing and spending time thinking about.

  • I’ve met Casey several times and he’s a really nice guy. I hate Trump as much as most Washingtonians, but I know Casey is a good guy and probably doesn’t support much of Trump’s agenda.

  • That is too bad. Use to love those sandwiches. Guess I will find another one. Going to tell everyone I know that eats there about it too. He should have known better.

  • Patten’s claims of being apolitcal reek of insincerity when his wife posted a photo on instagram of the smiling couple enjoying the inauguration from the lawn of the Capitol. No response from Patten or from Andre when instragram photos were shared. See instagram account fancynancy1210.

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