“Planned Parenthood Protest…At a location that has been closed for two months”

planned protest
1108 16th Street, NW

Thanks to a reader for sending just after noon today:

“Right now – Planned Parenthood Protest, 16th and L St NW… At a location that has been closed for two months. Only in DC. Looks like someone forgot to check Yelp.”

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  • That is fantastic.

  • Bahahahahahahahahahahaha!
    Can these silly tourists/ “activists” please just GTFO of the city now before they all get snowed in??

  • Glad they’re not bothering people trying to work/access healthcare, even if the only reason they’re not is their own stupidity.

  • It’s Snow v. Wade.

  • Are you sure they’re protesting? It looks like they’re all wearing hardhats and celebrating the beginning of construction on that condo

  • I wonder how long it will take them to realize they are protesting an empty building.

  • Brilliant! Decoy clinics. We should have them everywhere.

  • I’m just glade they are not over here in NE protesting at the site of the new clinic. They’d be protesting in a residential neighborhood and in front of an elementary and middle school. So please keep them there please.

  • I work in the building next door and have been enduring the construction noise for a few weeks now as they tear this bldg down to build a luxury condo. I love seeing these wackadoos out my window, brings back memories of the good ole days.

  • It looks like they’re all wearing hardhats, but I can’t really tell. Could it be something construction related instead?

    • Ahh… maybe this is one of those union-related protests like there used to be in front of the so-called Hinckley Hilton?

    • Nope, it was a group of Catholic school students, probably middle-school age, wearing matching March for Life beanies. They did the sign of the cross in unison after their teachers led them in prayer.

      • oh no, really? I hate the thought of anyone using children as political tools. Ugh.

        • emvee

          Oh that is definitely a thing. I used to be brought to protests outside clinics when I was younger while the group/my mother would say, “I didn’t abort my child!” and then we’d all pray the rosary. It’s A Thing, for sure.

          • Yup. Me too. I hated it, it was really scary being a 6-year-old surrounded by angry screaming adults with pictures of bloody fetuses everywhere. It was so awful and manipulative, and while I dearly love my parents, I’ve expressed to them how frightening I found that and what a bitter taste it left in my mouth.

    • Lesley–I think you are right. It looks like a ground breaking ceremony or something related, which would make sense if PP has been gone 2 months. And there is a big Ellisdale Construction sign in front. If this is correct, I hope PoP does something to correct this posting.

    • Prince Of Petworth

      About the planned parenthood protest earlier – “Confirmed that their hats and backpacks say “March for Life”

  • Looks like they’re headed to the White House. Meanwhile, there’s a wrecking crew working on the back of the building at this very moment. (I’m in that glass building immediately behind the defunct PP building in the photo.)

  • This is a ground breaking ceremony

  • “WE WON!!!! WE GOT THEM TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING!” F’ing uneducated morons.

    • “F’ing uneducated morons”, “wackadoos”, “stupidity” – these are the words the tolerant progressive liberals apply to those who don’t agree with them? Such unchecked derisiveness actually makes me have more sympathy for the protesters” position. I totally “get” not wanting to give up a legal abortion in the event of an unplanned/ unwanted pregnancy. I also “get” that abortion is very morally problematic, hence why it was largely not legal 60 years ago. If you don’t think so, think about when you would be willing to kill a child once born and work backwards — would you be willing to kill 5 minutes before birth? Probably not 5 hours? Probably not. 5 days? Looking at it this way, when a child a not a living person is a lot harder to determine.

      • oh good lord. This is, and always has been, about a patriarchal society wanting to control women. If you can keep ’em barefoot and pregnant, you win. To be on any sort of equal footing as men, women must have the right and ability to make their own choices with regard to reproduction.

        • AMEN

        • justinbc

          That’s rather dismissive. I’m certain there are many people who truly do view it as a “right to life” matter. Consider the millions of women who are opposed to abortion, they’re not all just brainwashed by their husbands. I’m pro-choice, but I also understand it’s one of the most contentious issues our country has ever battled with, because at the base of the argument is a potential life. It’s not a “side” I take lightly, or with strong conviction, and I don’t even like kids. Are there scores of uneducated people who march based on whatever their pastor says? Sure. Are there men who feel the way that you express with regards to keeping the women shackled with baby-dom? Sure. But to say it’s always about patriarchal domination ignores so many people that it’s no better than the other side calling everyone who gets an abortion a baby killer, while ignoring the circumstances that let them to make that choice. Is it hard to treat the person arguing vehemently with you with respect? Absolutely, but be the better person.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Couldn’t have said it better.

          • I can appreciate that there are people who view this as a matter of life and death. My parents ARE those people. And I have a great deal of respect for them, as people who generally raised me well and sacrificed a lot to have me and my siblings, and who have been rocks in my life. I simply find it unacceptable that the “right to life” of a clump of cells should take precedence over the fully living, breathing, will-having person who is gestating that potential-life. My parents and I have had this discussion, and have agreed to disagree. I can appreciate that there are subtleties to this issue and many grey areas as medicine and science are able to sustain neonates earlier and earlier, setting aside the ethical quandries this presents due to the incredible fragility and long-term ramifications of a delivery at 24 weeks gestation. I understand that our acceptance (or not) of abortion has changed with more understanding of the developing fetus. However, I really and truly believe that at the bottom of this issue there has been, and remains, a long-standing assumption that women are not allowed to have the final say over their bodies and their reproductive rights. I don’t think women who are anti-choice are necessarily “brain-washed” by their husbands or whoever, but I do think many of them are not questioning why their life, their actual LIFE, should be trumped by a “potential-life.” And so I am frustrated by the the voices that scream the loudest, and since nothing but vehement arguing seems to make a damned difference in this country, I will argue back just as loudly.

      • These are the words progressive liberals apply to those who would oppress others based on their own fanatical religion. And based on the ranting of scientifically illiterate men, supported by lawmakers who are all about the fetus, but vilify the child and the parents. You want to reduce abortion? Provide for the woman and the family.
        If we’re going to give religious fanatics this kind of free reign on the issue of abortion, I don’t see why we wouldn’t support a law that requires women cover their heads. And arms. And faces. Modesty is a moral good, right?

        • I can only hope that some people who read this addictive blog (I’ve been a daily reader of PoP for a long time – well before the logo ceased to be the frog with the camera ) can see the hatred that is cast toward people that believe that a child in the womb is, or even could be, alive and have a right to life. It’s pretty astonishing and telling. I wish no ill towards you whatsoever, even as you belittle me. But I do wonder if the vitriol comes from fear and anxiety at the prospect that yes, this is a genocide. Nothing like that reality to cause people to lash out.

          • I think at least some of the anger toward these people, comes from the fact that if this was a functioning PP, anyone going in or out of that building would be harassed the whole way. Regardless of whether they were there to receive a legal medical procedure that you have a problem with or not. I used to work just down the block from that PP, and have done clinic escorting before – it happens ALL the time. Maybe you’re not personally out there screaming at people for taking part in “genocide” – so, good for you I guess?

          • The vitriol comes from people who are sick and tired of having men – and women who still subscribe to patriarchal notions of how things “should” be – holding their lives hostage, forcing them to contend with massive barriers to a healthy, well-lived life. And the burden is particularly heavy on the poorest women, the ones who rely on Planned Parenthood for basic medical care, for finding the cancer before it turns to stage 3, from accessing birth control. The vitriol is there because your view version of the world MUST be the only right one, nevermind how many people you crush back into the ground so that you can climb to your lofty, high-and-mighty seat.

          • I am not sure there is a nice way to call out the oppression and misogyny that are bedrocks of the forced birth movement. It is one thing to have a moral qualm about someone else’s actions – I, for instance, have a moral problem with surrogacy, especially given the number of unwanted children in our foster system – and another entirely to create legal roadblocks to the ability to perform that action, and vilify those who may choose to act in a certain way as being monsters, murderers, un-American, etc.

            What these protesters, and you, Sev, seem to forget is that the woman involved is already a living, breathing, whole person with rights and a future. They also seem to forget that pregnancy is a dangerous, stressful experience – even when planned and wanted – that puts enormous strains on a woman’s physical, emotional and psychological well-being. Hundreds of women die every year in this country because of pregnancy and childbirth, and thousands more face lifelong health impacts of pregnancy, including some, like kidney failure and diabetes, that are incurable and life-shortening.

            Finally, these protesters always ignore the barbaric reality of women’s lives pre 1973. My mother was denied a medically necessary abortion in 1971, after a judge ruled she was not “close enough to death” to qualify for the procedure, even though she was bleeding uncontrollably after going into labor in the 23rd week of pregnancy with a fetus that was nearly certainly already dead. Instead of receiving a simple procedure that would have medically aborted the fetus and stopped her bleeding, she suffered in agony for 18 hours as her body discharged pieces of the fetus. Only when the doctors had the fetus’ head, torso and limbs collected could they declare her no longer pregnant and perform the life saving medical procedures necessary – and she still nearly died. As it was, the internal damage was so severe she was unable to ever carry a pregnancy again. She was 32 years old. That is the reality of the bad, old days, and that is why I am not only pro-choice, but dismissive and offended by the smug douchebags who invade our city every year to promote their sense of religious and moral superiority.

          • I’m really quite tired of the notion that all viewpoints are equal. No, they aren’t. If your religion forbids you to have an abortion, then don’t. Just don’t make your faith my guiding principle: it will never be. As an example, think of anti-vaxxers. Despite overwhelming evidence, these parents are dead set on allowing their children to be a danger to public health.

            You want to know why we justifiably call these people wackadoos? It’s because they are completely and totally inconsistent in their stated beliefs. I’ve studied the tenants of Christianity, and on paper it sounds fine. In practice, on the other hand, it doesn’t work. “Love your neighbor: unless he’s gay,” for example. You can’t cry persecution on one hand (there’s a War on Christmas!) while trying to force women who have been raped to carry a fetus to term. You can’t preach the importance of “family values” while looking for gay men in an airport bathroom, or while your daughter gets knocked up (twice!) without being married.

            Also, and I hate to break it to you, but abortion is legal in this country. Republican lawmakers, often in the name of religion, are the ones crafting laws designed to circumvent the legality of said abortions. Just as we would look at flat-earthers and mock their stupidity, so to do we do with the vocal religious right.

          • So many excellent and rational points that I doubt Sev and his friends will read or attempt to comprehend. I especially like “the woman involved is already a living, breathing, whole person with rights and a future.”
            Genocide? I don’t think that means what you think it means.
            Let me clear this up for you, Sev: the vitriol comes from fear and anxiety that a man whose mythology I do not share might force me to carry a pregnancy I did not choose. It’s a real fear, and as CPT Doom points out, we’re not so far removed from that kind of nightmare.
            Finally, please believe me that there is no hatred for those who choose not to have abortions. That would be straight up stupid. But there is seething, burning, passionate hatred for ANYONE who tries to tell ME what to do with MY uterus. And if that person is, at the same time, voting against Head Start and TANF and universal parental leave and universal preschool and school funding across the board? That person needs to burn in their own worst iteration of hell.

          • The vitriol does not come “from fear and anxiety at the prospect that … this is a genocide,” rather it comes from the (failed) tactics the pro-life movement uses to champion their cause. To suggest otherwise leads me to believe you are blind and do not understand the pro-choice argument.

          • The right to a clump of cells or fetal development does not trump the right of the living person who has to “incubate” it.

            Forced pregnancy is simply control of women that has a theological basis. It takes her from the labor force, education, precludes advancement-all forces that benefit males in this very patriarchal society.

            Abortions are the last form of control a woman has over her physical and economic future. They have always been as long as there have been humans. If you want to reduce them, campaign for free quality daycare etc…

            Women will never stop aborting. Women will die without readily available options. If “life” matters, the lives of those here – and their quality – matter more.

          • “But there is seething, burning, passionate hatred for ANYONE who tries to tell ME what to do with MY…” itchy trigger finger. Logic holds.

      • I think we should legalize post-birth abortions, especially in your case Sev.

      • Other things that people thought were “very morally problematic” and therefore “largely not legal 60 years ago:”
        – miscegenation
        – segregation (in practice, not withstanding Brown v. Board of Education)
        – homosexuality
        .
        And a few things that weren’t morally problematic and so were legal or largely legal:
        – domestic violence
        – persecuting communists
        – forced sterlization
        .
        Still pine for the 50s?

      • “Such unchecked derisiveness actually makes me have more sympathy for the protesters” position.”

        If you have more sympathy towards the protesters because someone called the protesters “F’ing uneducated morons” on a blog, I’m guessing your sympathies are easily persuaded and not totally sincere.

      • These people don’t give a flying fig about the women who are pregnant or the child once it’s born. They’re not pro-life, they’re anti-woman. It’s about punishing women who have sex outside their narrow worldview.

        If you really want to reduce abortion, you would ensure women (and men) had access to contraception and favor expanded access to health care, child care, family leave, a living wage, and assistance for poor families.

        • HaileUnlikely

          As a pro-life man, I completely agree with the entirety of your last sentence. I don’t see the value in making assumptions about others’ motives (i.e., your first two sentences), though. In my experience, there indeed are people in the pro-life movement who basically fit the description that you give, but I do not believe that is a fair characterization of the majority of them. (I honestly do not have any idea whether or not it is a fair characterization of those in the picture. I will admit that it is quite silly for them to be protesting at a construction site.)

          • “I do not believe that is a fair characterization of the majority of them.” That’s possible… but it seems that those are the loudest voices within the movement.

          • HaileUnlikely

            I would speculate that it is true of most movements that the loudest voices within the movement are not representative of the majority of its members.

          • It is a damn fair characterization.

            Were it not, the 83 GOP candidates would be campaigning on free daycare and increased aid.

            They would be anti-gun, b/c guns are inherently anti-life.

            They would be anti-death penalty.

            None of these things happen (a handful of nuns does not disprove the rule). Why not? Because the health of babies is not the motive.

            The pain of childbirth is God’s punishment for Eve tempting Adam. Procreation is why we have sex Adam & Steve.

            I don’t follow that religion and will not be forced to follow it by law or by fiat.

          • HaileUnlikely

            My position is that making assumptions about others’ motives never leads anywhere good, whether debating abortion or gentrification or vegetarianism or anything else.

      • Laws to make abortion illegal weren’t introduced in the US until the 1880s, which means abortion has been legal far longer than it was illegal in the US. Laws were fueled, in part, by doctors to have more control over women’s health – at the time majority of abortions & deliveries were done by midwives and male doctors pushed for both to be moved to hospitals. Anti-abortion legislation was also introduced as backlash to the suffrage & birth control movements – aka an effort to control women & confine them to traditional child bearing roles. “Morality of abortion” had nothing to with it.

        Further, the choice to have an abortion is a very moral decision. Your value judgement refuses to acknowledge the moral agency of women who make decisions based on what’s best for them, their existing families (61% of women who have an abortion have 1 or more children), and the potential life they carry. When you compare killing a child post-birth to abortion, the reflex to call you stupid or uneducated is natural because you show how little you actually know about abortion. 89% of abortions occur within the first 12 weeks, when the pregnancy is the size of a lime (or smaller) & very far from being able to survive outside of the womb on its own. Fewer than 1.2% of abortions happen after 20 weeks, when viability is still uncertain. As a result, your comparison is uneducated at best; intentionally disingenuous & misleading at worst.

      • Reading some lame words typed on the internet lessened your support for a human’s sovereignty over her own body and its purpose, uses, health, etc? Wow.

  • Idiots.

  • It seems like every year the March for Life gets pummeled with awful weather. Last year the weather was ok, but for a couple years before that it was REALLY cold. And this year they get a blizzard. Faith restored.

    • I’ve pointed that phenomena out to a few people as well. I get that it’s January, but it never ceases to amaze me how bad the weather typically is on the 22nd. Mother Nature has a sense of humor/justice.

    • “Faith” in what restored? God? Nature? Because one of these beings created life so it can be destroyed?

    • Lyndsey

      There’s a reason progressives only hold protests in the Spring—even the most super passionate supporters will only come out if it’s temperate… whereas these folks come no matter how horrible the weather. There’s a lesson there.

      • Yes. Religious fervor overrides reason and even self-preservation. Very dangerous.

      • Sounds like they were all middle schoolers. Most likely brainwashed kids on a school trip. There’s a lesson there–not to use middle schoolers as pawns.

        • “People do the strangest things when they believe they’re entitled…but they do stranger things when they just plain believe…”

    • Don’t forget that the inauguration is January 20th, and always has crappy weather. Stupid Twentieth Amendment…

  • DC1

    hmmm… wearing hard hats? Maybe a Union protest at most.

  • Lyndsey

    Actually if you read that Planned Parenthood’s Yelp page you’ll see why they closed.

    Endless complaints of how staff gave horrific treatment to women in need of compassionate care.

    • nice try, but no. an overburdened medical office does not mean the care of patients was ‘horrific.’

      • and…that is not even remotely why they closed, if you do some research on the topic.

      • HaileUnlikely

        Just to disclose my bias: I am pro-life. However, I have two pro-choice friends who have been very dissatisfied with the medical services (unrelated to abortion) that they received at this specific Planned Parenthood clinic.

        • again, it was an extremely over-burdened facility, and this is a large part of the reason they are opening the new location. ideally, they’d have enough space and staff to provide a top-notch client experience, but unfortunately due to the massive budget cuts, that kind of service can be hard to provide, although there ARE amazing men and women working there. the crusade against them needs to end – more funding means better, faster care.

      • Complaints probably written by the sponsors of this protest and their allies.

    • L-O-L. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the big, new building they’re renovating by Two Rivers in NE.
      I got my birth control prescription here for years (pre-Obamacare), and never had a problem. The waits were sometimes long, but I was uninsured, so I didn’t really mind. I was just glad to be getting an annual test and some BC.

    • Oh Yeah. I trust the yelp reviews.

  • This is especially funny because this PP is totally and obviously gutted. Can’t wait for the M4L goons to get snowed on.

  • HaileUnlikely

    Construction Workers For Life?
    .
    More seriously, fun as this post may be for many, it is clearly misrepresenting what is going on here. Unless you actually believe this *is* a rally of Construction Workers For Life, or that the PP protesters are wearing hardhats to protect themselves from falling construction debris, this post needs to be corrected.

    • Wait, what? Someone who saw these kids up close and in person pointed out that they were wearing matching “march for life” beanies. Giving them the look of hard hats from far away (which, given the backdrop makes sense how you could come to that conclusion).

    • HaileUnlikely

      It appears that I was incorrect. From the perspective of the photo, they do look a lot like hardhats, though…

  • These kids need to grow a backbone. I guarantee that 50% of them are miserable and have no desire to be there. I had a few friends growing up who had to do this crap in California; none of them are Christian today.

    • emvee

      Let’s not jump to judgment on the kids. They’re tools of the adults around them and likely not aware of the repercussions of their actions…. because they’re children. They’ll figure it out soon enough. Don’t take your frustration out on them, take it out on the adults who are blatantly using them.

  • Prince Of Petworth

    About the planned parenthood protest earlier – “Confirmed that their hats and backpacks say “March for Life”

  • I have watched this “debate” unfold on PoP over the past couple of years and recognize some of the Pop “handles” weighing in on the issue in the same manner as years past. I believe there are a lot people here, in our community, and in the nation who silently struggle with this issue, many of whom who have had abortions or been with a partner who had one (I am one such person). We read about expectant couples singing to their children in utero, calling them by name, discussing their behavior habits on this very blog and celebrated by many of those berating me. The cherishing parent’s child in utero is no less alive than the parent who finds themselves wanting to abort. There is no magic life dust sprinkled in the womb of those that sing to their baby, care for their baby, and love their baby in the womb. It’s horrific to think about this and it makes people angy. It made me angry and I didn’t want to admit it. But now I must speak the truth to what seems to be an audience who do not want to hear it, as upsetting as it may be.

    • Your schmaltzy little story only works if you view the woman as a vessel and nothing more, and consider the “life” of the fetus– a life that cannot exist without her– to trump all her rights. Charming.

      • Singing to one’s unborn child is “schmaltzy”? And the mothers on this blog who have shared doing this are schmaltzy, too?

        • Either you’re being lazy in your attempt to score internet points, or reading isn’t your strong suit. Either way, this is correctible.

        • Yes, sure, it’s cheesy (and nothing wrong with being cheesy in my opinion). I would have used insulting, though. Using a sweet story about someone who is carrying a very wanted pregnancy to shame a person who is pregnant, and has chosen for whatever reason, that they do not to be or are unable to be is gross. It’s insulting. I’m very happy for my friends who have children (some of whom had to work very hard for it) that they love dearly, and I support my friends who have made the choice or needed to have an abortion. And guess what, I can support both those feelings at once.

          • That’s wonderful, but you are not the issue, the pre-born child is. And your friends for who you are happy that they are carrying a life at 20 weeks are just as right as those who are aborting as 20 weeks? Life is in the eye of the beholder? That sounds great for those with the power to be the beholder.

          • Well, Becky – I typed a whole big thing out, but none of that will make any difference. All I know is I can have compassion for people who make the choices they need to to live their best life – and maybe that includes you. I still 1000% disgree with everything you think and feel about this – I can see that goes both ways – and it will just have stay that way.

          • “That’s wonderful, but you are not the issue, the pre-born child is.”
            .
            Wow. Just wow.
            WDC & Bdale, I totally agree with you.

    • People who go through life looking for things to be angry about will have a very angry life, there is plenty of utter horror out there.

      Attempting to shame women out of retaining the right to make decisions about their own bodies is right up there with the other man-made horrors that really do not need to exist.

    • “The cherishing parent’s child in utero is no less alive than the parent who finds themselves wanting to abort.” I agree with this. However, the problem with the anti-choice movement is that they want to give this child more human rights than the other human being involved, the mother. I have no right to compel any other human being to sacrifice their bodily autonomy and health for my health or survival. If I’m dying of kidney or liver failure, and you are a donor match for me, I can’t force you to donate part or all of an organ against your will. You may be my only match and my only chance for survival. I still have no right as a human being to require you to keep me alive. I don’t have this right now, and I didn’t have this right as a 20 week old fetus. The anti-choice movement wishes to grant these fetal humans special rights, and by doing so, deny the human rights of their mothers.
      This is my moral take on the issue, but let’s also consider the practical aspects of the anti-choice movement. If someone really wants to reduce abortions, they would look at other societies that have lower accidental pregnancy and abortion rates and push for policies that create the same conditions of those societies. Instead, we see the anti-choice movement fighting against comprehensive health care, sex ed, and widely available birth control. This combined with the fact that there is a dearth of protests outside fertility clinics (which store huge numbers of human embryos, many of which will be discarded) reveals that the anti-choice movement is mainly about controlling women, not preventing the deaths of fetal humans.

      • +1, esp. “If someone really wants to reduce abortions, they would look at other societies that have lower accidental pregnancy and abortion rates and push for policies that create the same conditions of those societies.”
        .
        The United States has a shockingly high rate of unplanned pregnancies in comparison to other developed nations.

    • I have to disagree that even the unwanted fetus is just as precious as the wanted one. This is harsh, but neither of them is a person. That wanted fetus is definitely not any more an actual person than an unwanted fetus. The difference is that the people who want the fetus are happy about it and happily consent to gestating the fetus to term, the folks who don’t want to gestate the fetus do not consent to gestating the fetus. I can’t get behind saying a fetus is a person if so many embryos and fetuses are spontaneously aborted. People can be sad about miscarriages because they had consented to and hoped for their bodies to be used to grow a new life, and they had developed fantasies and hopes and dreams about what that developing life would become. It’s really about the consent of the gestating person for use of their body. Everything that a person happily gestating a fetus feels about the developing life is totally legit because humans are really good at projecting and imagining a future for that little swimmer.

  • no one should feel ashamed of the fact that they’ve had an abortion, end of story. it’s not horrific. it’s a safe and common medical procedure. and it’s comments like this that contribute to the stigma associated with it. there is no magic baby dust, but there is science, and science tells us that a fetus is a fetus, not a person.

    • And when does this fetus become a human being in your opinion?

      • When it is viable without its vessel. So around 25-30 weeks. But I won’t argue with sentimental types who want to cut legal abortions off at 20 weeks, because I assure you, a woman making the decision to abort has thought of nothing else since the pee stick turned pink, and has had plenty of time to think it through.

        • So viability will move earlier and earlier as medical innovation brings new life-saving capabilities to reality, right? So, then we are basing our understanding of when a person is alive on the latest medical wizardry? Like, when a fetus was no viable at 33 weeks in 1980 years ago, a 33 week old fetus wasn’t alive in 1980 and now it is? And in upcoming years when an 18 week old is viable, then our aborting of a 19 week old fetus now is murder? And btw, is your mother your mother or your vessel?

          • Sure. Lots of cultures didn’t even name their babies til they passed a certain developmental stage, because of the high rate of infant mortality. Those customs are mostly gone now, or observed only for ritual purposes. If society is willing to pick up the tab to keep a preemie alive, and care for a child who has a higher-than-average likelihood of being developmentally delayed, or deaf, or a host of other problems that early birth entails, then I probably won’t object. There’s some great speculative fiction involving uterine replicators.
            My mother is my mother, because she chose to be. And I am mother to my children. Because I chose to be. I could have chosen otherwise. I am grateful to have had the choice, and grateful that I didn’t have to.

        • Some women don’t know they’re pregnant for a long time. My grandmother had a normal period through the first 6 months of her pregnancy with my mother.

          • And I guess you’re glad you mother made the choice she did with you, wdc? But castigation is not the issue, it’s coming to terms with horrors that many have been part of. There is healing, there is forgiveness. I truly believe that. We can move past this horror if we just allow ourselves to see things as they are.

          • Uh… what?
            I’ve tried to engage you rationally, but now you’re talking about healing and forgiveness. Emotion is the lazy person’s response to an argument they cannot counter with logic.

          • wdc, what argument is it that I am not countering. You want the right to kill a fetus in utero and I know that this fetus is a human being at a stage of development that both you and I shared. I have offered my rationale for having this position and you have offered yours for your position. I understand your opinion and like most opinions, there is usually a point worth considering. In your opinion, it’s a woman’s choice. I get that. But that doesn’t solve the issue that the viability argument moves life earlier and earlier? Why because a child in utero is a living person (see my post from 4:04pm). You are free to not believe this, but that doesn’t change reality. I wish you the best and that your eyes may be open to truth, light, and life – it’s beautiful. Be well.

          • Medical advances are a great reason to change laws and societal norms. I don’t see it as a problem. What’s really a problem is insisting on sticking to outdated rules no matter how technology and society changes. 26 weeks, 18 weeks, whatever. That’s a matter of degree. The fact remains that women cannot be forced to go through something as extreme as pregnancy and childbirth against their will. All this beauty of life, innocence of pwecious babies, and associated emotional claptrap is in service of controlling women. I decline to be so controlled. I am more than my biology.

      • Doesn’t matter.

    • I have to disagree that even the unwanted fetus is just as precious as the wanted one. This is harsh, but neither of them is a person. That wanted fetus is definitely not any more an actual person than an unwanted fetus. The difference is that the people who want the fetus are happy about it and happily consent to gestating the fetus to term, the folks who don’t want to gestate the fetus do not consent to gestating the fetus. I can’t get behind saying a fetus is a person if so many embryos and fetuses are spontaneously aborted. People can be sad about miscarriages because they had consented to and hoped for their bodies to be used to grow a new life, and they had developed fantasies and hopes and dreams about what that developing life would become. It’s really about the consent of the gestating person for use of their body. Everything that a person happily gestating a fetus feels about the developing life is totally legit because humans are really good at projecting and imagining a future for that little swimmer.

    • Although I’m pro-choice, I can’t agree with you here. I know a woman who twice deliberately got pregnant while having an affair with a married man in order to force him to divorce and marry her. When each attempt failed, she aborted. When I learned of her actions I ceaased being her friend and judged her mightily.

  • it’s not a matter of opinion. when the fetus is viable outside the womb, it is considered a person, this is generally agreed on by the medical community to be at approximately 26 weeks, which is the latest a pregnant person can legally get an abortion in this country. the vast, vast majority of abortions occur WELL before that, most (but not all) abortions at this stage of pregnancy are due to medical abnormalities in the fetus.

    • Actually that is the definition of a matter of opinion. When the fetus is viable outside of the womb, it is considered *viable*. It is still a fetus, not a person, unless you’ve got some kind of political agenda that includes trying to shoehorn made up words like “pre-born” into legislation.

      • lord, dude, we’re on the same side.

        • Get your facts right and people won’t correct you, dude.

          • Gotta side with transplanted here (although as siz noted, you two are generally speaking on the same side). Viability is a medical standard; “personhood” is not.

      • Yes, “siz”, do not, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, slip up and use the dangerous word “person”! You must use the correct words or the tragic fallacy might be revealed. This is a fetus until which point we decide to allow it to live! Don’t let it happen again!

        • Oh, calm down.

        • Actually, it’s a fetus until it’s born. It’s never not a fetus in utero. Sorry that the fact that words have meaning interferes with your attempt to twist the narrative. Maybe people don’t call your position stupid because they’re intolerant, but because you’re not too bright, and it shows when you try to articulate ideas.

        • yeaaaah, no thanks.

  • Well that’s bound to happen when you let your invisible friend tell you what to protest.

  • I love the fact that the “March for Life” always falls on my birthday! I like to think they are all celebrating me.:-)

    • In a very real way, we are. Happy Birthday! Come on out and celebrate with us!

      • ummmm…. no thanks. I strongly believe that women should have the right to choose what is best for them. I am blessed to be the father of an adopted daughter (she is 5 months old). I am glad that the birth mom made the decision that ultimately brought her into my life, but that is her decision to make. That decision was the right one for her, but it isn’t for every woman in her situation.

      • Never born, never know, never care. There’s a counter-argument along the lines of “what if I killed you in your sleep? You wouldn’t know the difference then either.” But that doesn’t work, because it’s too late. I already want to live, at least for now.

        Plus, for the religious types, what could be a better deal than a guaranteed instant trip to heaven? Similarly, if there is a hell, there is absolutely no good reason to have children, because that means there is a chance greater than zero that they might go there!

  • One of my proudest DC moments is when I walked by that clinic one afternoon and saw a group of protesters occupying the front lawn. They were led by a priest with a large wooden cross. As I walked past, I pumped my fist in the air and shouted, “Pro choice! Pro choice!” The priest shook his crucifix at me, which was a delicious moment that I still savor.

  • Are they trying to get the location reopened?

  • PoP can we get some moderation here? Folks are getting salty.

  • These people are the WORST.

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