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  • I am so sick of this. T-90 days until I move out of DC and to a city where NIMBY-ism is less of an issue.

    • Good luck with that 😉

    • Please say you’re moving to New York, California, or Massachusetts (for an ironic laugh)
      Please say you’re moving to Texas or Florida (for a pitiful chuckle)

    • Congratulations on your move abroad.

    • brookland_rez

      Destination worthy McDonald’s and Popeye’s on upper Wisconsin Ave with no parking. Got it.

    • brookland_rez

      Or you could just not live in Upper NW. The rest of the city is not like that.

      • Nope! No NIMBYs in Brookland 😉
        :cough cough: :Steptoe: :cough: :901 Monroe: :wheeze: :McMillan: :cough gasp:

        • brookland_rez

          There are some, but they’re no where near as bad as upper NW. They stopped a new Giant from being built for a decade for Christ sake. Brookland nimby’s aren’t that bad. And Steptoe is gone, which everyone I’ve talked to is happy about.

          Don’t let the vocal few speak for the entire neighborhood. They’re the minority. Everyone I know in Brookland wants to see development.

  • jim_ed

    Man, do I ever hate smelly air conditioners and excessive foot traffic. Sign me up!

  • The only thing worth visiting at that plaza is the Crate and Barrel, and even then I hate trekking cross-town just for that one store. I find it laughable to think that anyone is going to drive there for another Chipotle.

    • That’s not fair. (I get what you’re saying though.)

      LPQ is great for families with small kids (who can afford the prices). The Ski Center has surprisingly competitive prices, if you’re ever in the market for winter stuff.

      Tara Thai across the street is good with kids and Wagshals is pretty much the last real butcher around.

      • justinbc

        Wagshal’s is far from the “last real butcher”, unless you mean on that street, but it is a fantastic butcher nonetheless. There are other LPQ in the city though that are more accessible.

  • I for one encourage and congratulate people who band together and try to organize groups that control the destination of their neighborhood. Just practicing free speech and using their voice to shape the direction of development.

  • Damn dirty Maryland commuters. Round ’em all up and send ’em back where they came from!

    • Yeah, eat your FAST FOOD in your own state!

      • Shifty-eyed crab-eaters trying to steal our jobs. Do they even speak American?

        • Ummm…Isn’t there already a Popeye’s, McDonald’s, and Chipotle within a couple blocks of this area? Honey, if the MD commuters were going to invade Spring Valley for that line-up, they would have already been there. But, what do I know? Let me take myself back to Silver Spring. smh

  • LOL, I love all the socioeconomic dogwhistles in this piece – Popeyes, McDonald’s, Maryland’ers, Chipotle, etc.
    Reading between the lines: “PREPARE FOR THE INVASION OF THE CAR-RELIANT POORS!!!!”

    • That’s not the way that I read it — given how close Spring Valley is to the western border of D.C., I imagine the Marylanders coming in will be from Bethesda, Chevy Chase, Potomac, etc.
      I think the people who made the flyers are worried primarily about an increased volume of cars — both traffic-wise and parking-wise.

    • Ha! I thought the exact same thing… especially noting that they are actively seeking Chipotle and Chop’t (slightly more upscale fast food), but this could lead to such horrible things as McDonald’s and Popeye’s!!! We don’t want Chicken McNugget eaters in our neighborhood!

    • I, too, noticed the inclusion of Popeye’s and McDonald’s…

  • So much dramatic and petty pearl clutching.

    • clevelanddave

      Oh, go clutch your own pearls. Increasing the amount of traffic by this amount without any increase in parking, plus having an eyesore of a loading dock backing into your backyard are legitimate issues, and it seems the time to deal with them is before the building is built.

      • The concerns are legitimate. However the hysterics and race baiting disqualify any legitimacy of those concerns.

      • These seem like legitimate concerns to me, and the wording on the flyer doesn’t seem hysterical or subtly racist.

      • I’d be much more inclined to take their concerns seriously if they weren’t couched in overblown wailing about IRREPARABLE HARM being caused to their perfect neighborhood by UGLY BUILDINGS and PARKING WOES.

        • clevelanddave

          Isn’t it irreparable? Once the buildings are in place and the businesses have signed leases, isn’t this a dramatic, permanent change? Irreparable might be literally untrue but in a practical sense, it is irreparable.

          • From my perspective, no, I don’t think it is. I’m not clear on why they think the new places will be so hideous. And the proposed line-up is not so amazingly special or unique that I expect it to draw in droves of people who weren’t already going to be in the area anyway. And the center is technically walkable to Metro and in an area served by buses and AU shuttles, so I think the focus on car traffic may be overstated. Maybe there will be an uptick in car traffic and certainly they should be planning more parking. But I hardly think that Spring Valley will become overrun by tourists or irreparably harmed by a little development.

  • gotryit

    Yup, I will probably drive to that “destination” just for the popeye’s. Well, on the off chance that the one near me is closed and the really off chance that I’d want to eat popeye’s. But yeah, otherwise – spring valley – what a destination. Where is it again?

    • It’s on the way into the city from Potomac, Chevy Chase and Bethesda. So if you’re coming from River Road to Little Falls and onto Mass Ave that way, Spring Valley is pretty much one of the last vestiges of ‘shopping center’ on the way into town.

      The people who wrote this flyer aren’t worried about other D.C. residents coming to this area, they’re concerned –and rightly so–about the increase in traffic from the close-in MD suburbs, esp. those who are driving their kids into Sidwell, the International School, Maret School, etc., and that they’ll stop on the way back *out* to suburbia. Traffic coming from that side of Potomac doesn’t have *anything* until Potomac Village, and the parts of Bethesda that encompasses all the “nice” neighborhoods along Sangamore, and between River Road and Bradley Blvd/Wilson Lane don’t have too many places to go either–just that stretch of incredibly crowded shopping center just past the Capitol Crescent trail.

  • I love that the fast food restaurants are thought of as “destinations.” Maybe for some AU law students?

  • Oh, no! Not development on Massachusetts Ave!

  • What does this mean for Wagshall’s?

  • Anyone know more on the proposed development other than this?

  • I dunno. All of this seems pretty reasonable to me. It’s not a high density neighborhood. That kind of development is more appropriate along GA Ave where it would help rather than hurt the surrounding area.

    • Development in this area has been established for decades and the Crate and Barrel has been the anchor for decades. Expecting a commercial strip to remain stable and stagnant is for the gullible property buyer. If you don’t want traffic, people, noise and food smells don’t buy property near commercial development.

  • Tsar of Truxton

    Its a low-density neighborhood of detached homes with an abundance of street parking. If fast food chains are the merchants, the people will be coming and going frequently, not stealing parking spots forever. This area has a ton of AU students (undergrad and law) who would love more food options I am sure (of course, the law school is moving). That said, the neighborhood put up a stink when the law school moved there and got the school to agree to prevent students from parking in the neighborhood even if they had the proper zone sticker. Preventing 1000 law students from parking daily at least seems like a better cause than stopping some much needed retail/food from coming to the area.

    • The vast majority of the law students take the bus or shuttle (which won’t be necessary anymore now that it’s moving). The neighborhood also put up a stink when the law school wanted to move to the Tenley campus. No reason. You’d think they’d be happy about it leaving their neighborhood, but those pricks up there will protest anything.

      The number of women in that neighborhood who wear capes is mind-boggling. They all drive BMWs and Mercedes, and none of them raise their own children. That god I no longer have to deal with those people any longer.

      • justinbc

        “None of them raise their own children.”
        It’s funny how nobody gets incensed when stereotypes are used against certain groups of people.

        • You mean privileged white people? I mean, heaven forbid they have to deal with stereotypes.

          As Louis CK said, “If you’re not white, you’re missing out, because this s–t is thoroughly good. I’m not saying that white people are better, but being white is clearly better. I mean, who could even argue?”

  • OMG. I live in on the less crusty side of Mass Ave (AU Park) and I HOPE that more restaurants will be built in that section of Mass Ave. We need more businesses in the that area, especially with the law school relocating to Tenleytown.

  • This is probably the same group of residents that so vehemently opposed AU’s law school being built across the street that one of the school’s professors wrote a BOOK about it: http://www.amazon.com/Bordering-Madness-American-Land-Second/dp/1594605378/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8.

    This is NIMBY-ism at its finest.

  • I find it really irritating when these lists get grammatically inconsistent. As if someone got drunk and pounded out a page of anger without any proofing. “The new owners […] want to” only works for the first four points. I’d feel more sympathy for this person’s cause if he or she were more consistent.

    • clevelanddave

      You’d be more sympathetic if they were better writers? I doubt it.

      • Blech, the grammar in the flyer is atrocious, and I’d never stop into a fast food establishment (whether Popeye’s or some other affront to polite society) in that neighborhood for fear of encountering anyone with the mindset of the flyer’s author, but if these folks want to keep their neighborhood a pristine wasteland of chain stores and uninteresting food, let them poison their own well. Enjoy your DeCarlo’s and Starbucks, folks!

  • nightborn

    They don’t need to worry. No one who is going to come to Spring Valley. 🙂

    • nightborn

      Ugh that should say “no one IS going to come to Spring Valley”

      • Here’s what I don’t get – this would be on an existing commercial strip and will simply increase the options for the folks that already live nearby. Yes, some people on their way back to MD may stop there…..but they’re already clogging up the road and passing through regardless. And frankly, if I’m an MD resident I’m going to stop for take-out food closer to home (so I can eat it while it’s hot!).
        Do the residents of Spring Valley actually ENJOY getting in their Mercedes and wading across town, dealing with the cluster-mess that is Friendship Heights and MoCo traffic? Wouldn’t they enjoy a variety of places that are only a 10 minute walk away? Many of the folks in this neighborhood already take daily strolls and bike rides.
        Furthermore, if parking is difficult then outsiders won’t ever stop there!

        • I get the impression that parking isn’t difficult now, but will be if the developers think that the existing street parking will be sufficient for all the new customers.
          Most of us in transitional neighborhoods east of the Park are clamoring for development… but I can understand why people in Spring Valley wouldn’t be thrilled at the prospect. Their neighborhood is already a nice neighborhood; it doesn’t need development to become nice.
          If you lived in a neighborhood and you liked it the way it was, wouldn’t you be concerned about changes coming that you perceived as unwelcome ones?

  • “Historic low density and usage of the site as it has evolved.”

  • This neighborhood has a long, long history of NIMBYism, as shown with its dealings with AU law school since about 1990.

    • clevelanddave

      Aren’t all people are NIMBYs when it comes to putting something undesirable near their homes? Perhaps you want a homeless shelter to move in next door? How about a plot of land next to a church being turned into a cemetery. Or maybe you’d like a prison down the street, or a rehab center. I’m sure you’d be thrilled to have a garbage sorting facility a couple blocks a way. Or maybe a big box store across the street with no added parking. So take your NIMBYism and stick it.

      • You seem nice, Cleveland Dave. Not at all unnecessarily confrontational.
        That aside, I’m not sure equating the NIMBYism here – opposing a restaurant where there was once . . . a restaurant (and it might serve alcohol!) and the dreaded scourge of fast food places (but not all of them) – with the NIMBYism of opposing, variously, the nearby development of a homeless shelter, cemetery, prison, rehab center, garbage sorting facility and big box store (with no parking!) is an apt comparison. But carry on.

  • “large number of Maryland commuters” this shit is priceless

  • justinbc

    At least they’re cognizant of the real threat Maryland commuters pose.

  • That parking lot is always pretty empty.

  • Well, all I know is that Spring Valley is the ONE neighborhood I will never live in, because of the buried mustard gas and other potentially unexploded shells with deadly gas under the neighborhood – which are there from the days during WWI when AU was the site of development and testing of new weapons, which were then shot into the fields and farmlands of Spring Valley, and just dumped in pits there after the war was over. That neighborhood is toxic, and the real estate developers who covered over the stuff and built houses, and the army and city that let it happen were doing no good – that neighborhood should never have been built there. So, if you live over that, with its ability to make residents sick and die, I guess it makes sense to instead focus on important things like parking spaces!

    When I have shopped at Crate and Barrel and parked in the neighborhood (which is easy, I’ve always parked on the street just behind) and come out and found my car with a parking ticket on it – which upon reading the fine print says it is only applicable if my visit while parking was to the law school (or AU generally), I was really shocked! This stupid thing that DC does, like tell AU students, faculty and visitors that they can’t park for 2 hours on the street, or longer if they live in the ward and have the proper parking sticker, is just nuts – it is really a violation of others rights. It seems similarly misguided to me as the movement to deny residents of some new buildings the ability to get the parking sticker at all because of a deal developers make when they don’t build in parking. Aren’t we all equal and have equal rights? I guess not when the DC government says we don’t. I don’t think there is any way those discriminatory actions should be considered legal.

  • ANC 3D and its Chairman will have a ball with this one. I can only hope that the developers don’t bow to the ridiculousness that these folks put AU through on a regular basis.

  • I doubt that there are any plans to develop any buildings on the very small parking lot between Crate & Barrel, the BofA, and the LPQ. Where they are probably planning to build is the parking lot across 49th Street which is behind a medical building of some sort. Logistically, I can’t seen how they could possibly build on the lot that the NIMBY is claiming.

    • Nope – not the lot across the way. The small lot between the 2 buildings. Won’t be a big building, but that is the spot.

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