Police Officers Shoot Pit Bull attacking a Woman and Girl early this morning

From MPD:

“On today’s date at approximately 0445 hours, a white pit bull was observed in the 4700 block of 3rd Street, NW, attacking an adult & juvenile female. Officers approached the dog and attempted to stop the attack. The dog continued its attack. Officers shot the dog in the body. The dog fled the scene and was apprehended by Animal Control.

Both Victims sustained non-life threatening injuries. They were transported to an area hospital for treatment.”

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  • Wow that is good luck police were there when it happened. Dog attacks are scary.

  • Wtf is up on 3rd Street in the last 24 hours?!?!

  • [Insert pro/con pit bull arguments here]

  • How awful. Those poor people! I’m a dog lover and owner of a pit bull mix, and it just breaks my heart that this dog’s owners failed their pet so badly, either by not training him/her at all, or by training him/her to attack. You can have the most poorly-mannered, spastic dog in the whole wide world (not that I’m recommending that), but the number one, most inviolable rule should ALWAYS be “no teeth on people.” Ever. Does DC have a way to prohibit certain people from ever owning dogs again? I really hope the two people who were attacked make a quick recovery.

  • epric002

    god that is terrifying. i’ve been lax about carrying my dog spray around, should probably start doing that again. mother effing irresponsible dog owners. i hope whomever owns this dog is found and charged.

  • Emmaleigh504

    How awful! I hope the victims don’t have any lasting scars (physical or mental).

  • Identifying the breed of the dog before actually confirming that it’s a pit bull is what damages the opinion of the breed. Dog attacks are horrible and I feel for anyone that has been through one. I’ve seen dogs that had box-y faces and markings common to pitties and when their genealogy was tested, they either weren’t pit at all or had a low percentage compared to the other breeds that made up it’s features. Why are not reporting when a Boxer or a German Shepherd or even a chihuahua attacks someone?

    I have a pit mix and I’ve had neighbords with jack russell terriers cross the street because their dog is the dangerous one.

    I hope these people recover and good on the police for responding appropriately.

    • When is the last time you heard the police shot a chihuahua for attacking two people?

      • Agreed. I cross the street with my pugs because one of them is super barky and annoying and I”m afraid he’s going to provoke other dogs. I’m not worried about him beating another dog up it’s just not something he’s capable of.
        I don’t want to start another pro/anti pitbull fight here but I sort of feel like it’s comparable to the “firearms” situation. Guns are capable of harming, maiming and/or killing. When they are in the correct, responsible hands the likelihood of this goes down immensely. When in the wrong hands obviously the opposite happens. Pits have a “firearm” ability naturally in them where as MOST other dogs seem to have more of a “BB gun” caliber ability whereas they can do damage but generally they aren’t mauling adults, children and other dogs to death.
        I don’t belive it’s that other dogs aren’t being reported for this either more that it’s that pits are the ones viciously attacking and killing. Yes the owners are to blame but that doesn’t make the dogs any less dangerous unfortunately. Therefore they are akin to an irresponsible firearms owner.

        If that’s a bad analogy I apologize.

        • epric002

          the problem though, is that ANY dog that is abused/neglected/mistreated/ignored/not fixed/not socialized is capable of doing the exact same thing. obviously a teacup-size dog will cause less damage than any 75lb+ dog. you help fix this problem by requiring owners to spay/neuter, not allowing dogs to be chained/penned, and increasing the penalties for all kinds of animal abuse/neglect. demonizing “pit bulls” doesn’t do anything other than lead to BSL and the culling of dogs based simply on what they look like.

          • People aren’t demonizing pitt bulls they are seeing the attacks over and over and over. This isn’t a dog hating thing it’s recognizing that these dogs have the power and more importantly the will (obviously not always) to destroy other dogs and humans. How many times do we have to see the same story again and again before people get their heads out of their asses and recognize that this is a problem?

          • epric002

            BSL is demonizing pit bulls. eliminating the breed won’t solve anything- irresponsible people will simply find another breed of dog to exploit (e.g., rottweilers, dobermans, german shepherds, etc) . enforce responsible ownership and increase the penalties on irresponsible owners. my head is fully removed from my ass, btw. the problem is people.

          • Isn’t this the same argument used against gun control? It’s irresponsible people, if they didn’t have guns they’d just find another way to hold people up/commit murder, we should increase the penalties for committing crimes with guns and on irresponsible gun owners. The problem is people.

        • These dogs aren’t inherently vicious, they’re inherently strong and they have intense prey drives, being terriers. That’s what attracts people to them who want to make a dog vicious and scary. This is completely the fault of the owner. I do think the firearms analogy is somewhat apt, but really moreso because we have laws preventing (or at least that try to prevent) certain people from owning any kind of weapon (felons, mentally unstable people, etc.) So it should be the person who is restricted from owning the pit, not the pit being restricted from having a loving and happy home with responsible dog parents. To MJ’s point below, I think your analogy is backwards – blaming the dog instead of the owner IS blaming the gun instead of the person who fired it. The dog is only dangerous because a person made it that way.

          • I promise I’m not blaming the dog. We all know that the owners are clearly to blame. I don’t think anyone disputes that. I also think everyone would agree that making it tougher for certain people to have these pets would help and crating more laws and educating people would also help. The problem is it’s just not happening.
            I am not suggesting that they destroy this breed at all. I love animals, probably more than people.
            What I am suggesting is maybe thinking about a moratorium of some sort on them in the city where it is much more densely populated with dogs an people and these types of attacks seem to be more likely. Make sure every current pit owner has their dog registered (though all dos should be) so that they are not forced to move out of the city or give their pet up. After a short period do not allow new ones to be registered and anyone caught with an unregistered one after that period be fined and the dog be confiscated.
            This all off the cuff so I’m sure there are huge flaws with my plan but I feel like that is at least a talking point.

          • epric002

            “the problem is it’s just not happening”. right. instead, people are trying to enact BSL, which doesn’t work. i don’t know why we are so reluctant to start enforcing responsible ownership. the penalties for animal neglect and cruelty in this country are entirely too lax across the board, and that’s IF someone even gets charged/prosecuted. people who abuse animals often go on to abuse people. requiring spay/neuter, banning penning/chaining, increasing neglect/cruelty penalties and actually prosecuting people for offenses could make a world of difference.

    • The idea that pitbulls are innocent and it’s the media (and in this case police reports?) are giving the breed a bad name, is insane. Yes, they can be adorable, but also vicious. I’m sure in this case, and probably most cases, the human is the one to blame, but that’s blaming the bullets instead of the gun, the gun instead of the person, or a traumatic childhood instead of the human that fired the shot. P.S.: Chihuahua attack? Really?

      • epric002

        “the human is the one to blame”- this. dogs are not inherently vicious. they have to be neglected/abused/mistreated/irresponsibly owned and cared for for something like this to happen.

      • Emmaleigh504

        The dangerous dog label has changed over time. It used to be pits were good family dogs and dobermans were the ones everyone had to ban/fear. The media definitely helps shape these associations with breeds, along with owners who are creating the viscous animals.

        • anonymouse_dianne

          Yeah, when I was coming of age it was (still) German shepherds and rotties. Read Karen delise “the pitbull placebo” on the history of breed discrimination. Rin tin tin basically saved the day for GSD.

          Did you know that 4 of the ‘most vicious dogs in the US’ eg Michael Vick’s dogs were therapy dogs that work with kids? And Johnny Justice still does and is a Gund stuffed dog.

      • I agree with you that the humans are generally the ones to blame in dog attacks, but I do not believe that pit bulls are inherently vicious. The breed gets “a bad name” not from the media when they report accurately the breed of dog in an attack, but from horrible, animal-abusing owners who think that having a tough-looking dog makes them tough. Yes, small-dog attacks happen all the time, even by chihuahuas. The thing is, while their bites can hurt and break the skin, the jaws of a chihuahua are nowhere near as powerful as the jaws of larger breeds. People who decide to own dogs must always respect their dogs’ potential and strength and make a commitment to train them to be responsible citizens. No teeth on people. Ever. Big or small. (But especially big.)

      • Pitbulls are the primary fighting dog in the US, so that subset accounts for a lot of issues, but they make great family pets too. ANY dog can be vicious. Dogs and owners are not bullets and guns in that an owner has ultimate control over the dogs temperament, etc. A dog can’t bite you through a muzzle, but a gun can fire from the holster. Poor training and neglect makes vicious dogs.

        • Pretty sure that bullets and guns can be controlled by people as well. Most people can own guns and not hurt others, but I would vote to ban them to keep them out of the hands of an irresponsible few. The same holds true with dogs. Isn’t it easier to ban traditional fighting/attack breeds, than to assess whether each individual is capable of owning these dogs.

          • epric002

            banning a breed doesn’t solve the problem- irresponsible, cruel people will still want dogs to fight. they’ll find another breed to do it if pit bulls were somehow eradicated. enforce responsible ownership and increase penalties on irresponsible owners.

          • But we can’t ban people because they might raise a dog to fight. We can easily ban things like large dogs and guns.

          • epric002

            who said you should ban people b/c they might raise a dog to fight? enforce responsible ownership and increase penalties on irresponsible owners. and seriously, ban large dogs?! for pete’s sake.

          • +1 annony
            Guns can be controlled by ppl, but they can also misfire, jam, and accidentally go off even in experienced hands. It’s very rare to hear of a unprovoked dog attack by a well cared for dog, and although we rarely hear of it, I’d very small dogs make up the bulk.
            As anon said, banning a breed isn’t stopping anyone from dog fighting. They’ll just get a different dog.

          • Penalties follow bites. If we ban large dogs in advance we can prevent some bites. I am sorry it restricts your freedom to responsibly own these animals, but the policy would prevent bites.

          • epric002

            no, banning large dogs won’t prevent bites. there should be penalties when owners don’t spay neuter, and dogs should not allowed to be chained/penned. fixed dogs who are well socialized will prevent dog bites.

          • If we ban small dogs, we can prevent bites. Seems like more of them, so it’s likely a bigger return for the investment.
            I’m sorry you dislike dogs so much anon.

          • Banning large dogs would prevent harmful bites. It is a valid policy choice for the betterment of society–like how I cant keep farm animals in my row house. Also, I have nothing against dogs, but because certain people on my block keep pits I have to raise my children to fear them.

          • epric002

            “a valid policy choice for the betterment of society”. best of luck to you anonny, on trying to convince communities to “ban large dogs”. b/c everyone is going to be chomping at the bit to cull their Labradors, golden retrievers, st. bernards, collies, newfies, and great danes.

          • Annony, Are you also teaching your children to fear German Shepherds, Huskies and Boxers – all breeds that regularly show up on the “most dangerous” dog breed lists? I hope you would teach your children to behave responsibly around any animal rather than passing down irrational and unfounded fears. And I sincerely wish your children grow up to be more loving and accepting adults than you have shown yourself to be today, instead of passing judgment on innocent animals and the people who (lovingly and responsibly) own them.

        • My +1 was for epric

    • justinbc

      The small dogs are by far the most violent, but their attacks are so insignificant in terms of actual bodily harm that most people just shrug it off.

      • Yup indeed. Picked up my dog from daycare and lady picked up 2 dogs. Smallest tried attacking my dog, bigger one dropped a deuce right next to us. My dog sat quietly and patiently waited.

      • I totally agree. Unfortunately, pit bulls are very powerful dogs. So when they are vicious (due – most often – to owner neglect, abuse, or lack of of proper training), they actually do substantial physical damage. Little dogs are more aggressive, but their potential to do a great amount of physical damage is basically nil. Simply because they are weak and can easily be physically restrained.

        • One of the face transplants was from a Lab attack…that’s one of the most popular breeds. I’ve been attacked by a pit bull, and without anyone or a weapon, I was able to get away unscathed. Pitbulls are bit more powerful than a cane corso which is double or triple the size. Anything pit like is labeled as such, so we’re seeing more reports, but I doubt all labeled pits are in fact pits.

      • I don’t think violent is the right word. Maybe the noisiest? Small dogs have a pretty hard time creating violence.

  • When I saw the headline, I wondered if it happened outside the S Street dog park. Anyone know why there’s a bunch of blood splattered around the sidewalk just outside the gate this morning?

  • really, at 4:45 am?! Something fishy about this.

    • Probably left out in the yard overnight by a neglectful owner and the dog escaped to roam the neighborhood. The woman and her child are very lucky that the police just happened to be in the area.

      • Yes, but having a child out at the time of day does raise eyebrows at the least.

        • epric002

          i assumed the parent was taking the kid to daycare or something. seems more “early” to me than “late”.

        • Lower your eyebrows. People who work service jobs for example are out and about in the very early hours of the morning. And they need to take their children someplace. Not fishy at all.

        • Some of us work is an adult.

          When you get to be one, you’ll understand “first shift/swing shift”.

  • I both agree and disagree with the fact that everyone always says attacks are the result of a bad owner and not the breed. Yes a bad owner/environment can factor into these dogs attacking. That being said these dogs also lock on and don’t let go after they bite. Its almost impossible to get them to let go.
    I personally had a pitbull (owned by a family friend) bite part of my labs ear off after we physically had to rip them apart. This is after five minutes (a very long time to hear your dog yelping in pain) of spaying them with a hose and then having to punch the pit in the face(I love dogs and don’t condone this but we tried everything else and it still didnt work). This was not the first time our dogs spent time together.
    I also witnessed a recent attack by a pitbull and another got outside mama ayesha’s where the cops had to come and pepperspay the dogs to get the pit to let go. So the cops had time to respond to a call and the dog was still locked on. I still don’t see pits as a threat when I see them on the street but Its also ridiculous to say that every attack is due to a bad owner or poor living conditions. Its not just pits but I think its fair to say they are prone to attack.

    • So 2 dogs fought (as dogs do) & 2 unknown dogs fought, and based on that you’ve determined they’re just prone to attacks? I’ve been attacked by a pit, and the dog let go. The dog was trained as an attack dog evidenced by the fact that it only attacked ppl wearing all the same color.
      You’re making a leap with very little to back it up. I don’t know how you walk near a dog prone to attack by it’s nature alone.

      • The name suggests that these dogs were specifically bred to fight bulls. Mendel is better evidence than these couple of eyewitness reports.

    • epric002

      there’s a big difference b/n an unprovoked attack on a person and 2 dogs getting into a fight.

      • Agreed; although, we don’t know if this was unprovoked or not.

        • true, i cannot say if it was unprovoked or not. I looked outside after thinking a dog had been hit by a car due to how it was screaming. I went back inside as I didnt want to witness an owner dealing with that. The yelping continued for about five minutes and I went back outside when I heard a cop start screaming and eventually saw him pepperspray the dogs. He ordered the pitbull owner to bring the dog inside while the other dog rubbed its face in the snow. I dont know any details after that.
          I would like to think that any other (i know i’m being broad) type of dog could be forced to stop fighting without the use of pepperstay or in this case being shot.

        • epric002

          true. i am doubtful that this woman and her child (?) intentionally provoked a strange, loose dog, but stranger things have happened. i realize i’m making some assumptions here.

          • I’m thinking more along the lines of the child trying to pet the dog or something. Not provoking persay, but it could be enough for the right dog.

          • epric002

            agree @anon spock. absolutely not blaming the victims for what happened, but i am amazed/worried at how many people, adult and children, do not know how to behave around dogs. there are some little girls who come running and screaming up to me and my dogs, no matter how many times i’ve told them not to do that. i cross the street now if i see that they’re out b/c it’s a recipe for disaster.

          • For all we know the victims were the owners.

        • I meant the op post with woman and child. I don’t know if yours were unprovoked either, but I had moved back to the op.

    • Im speaking more to the point that these dogs grab on and don’t let go causing more damage. I cant speak of the fight across the street but my dog and my friends pit where just walking around my kitchen. Of course you can see bias in the fact that my dog was attacked but its an older chocolate lab and is pretty mellow. I also understand that the media likely spends more time talking about stories involving pits but you cannot deny the fact that pitbulls seem to get in more violent attacks then other dogs. Maybe i’m more aware now but my two incidents then the two recently spoken about on POPville….

      • Pitbulls get into more fights here.
        1. Lots of ppl fight dogs in this area…fighting dogs are usually pitbulls.
        2. Lots of breeds are called pits when they aren’t.
        3. No one is reporting when the chihuahua goes nuts.
        4. We don’t know the ratio of pitbulls to other breeds. There could simply be a lot in DC.
        If you ignore these facts, yes it seems they get into more fights than others.

        • valid points…. im sure if great danes got it more fights they would be in the news constantly. The fact is you could type// *any breed* attack// into google and you would find a treasure trove of videos. I love dogs and upbringing can be a major factor but I dont think all pitbull attacks can be justified by the “bad owner”

        • epric002

          there are a TON of “pit bulls” in DC. just look at the adoptable dogs at the WHS. of the 63 listed adoptable dogs, 56 are “pit bull” (IDed as pit, am staff, boxer or some other kind of blocky-headed dog that a regular person might think is pit/pit mix). unfortunately, it is the neglected dog of choice in many urban areas. just like hounds are the neglected dog of choice in many rural areas.

        • But you don’t know these statistics either. Or you’re not sharing them here.
          Either way, no one has given any facts to debunk the assertion that Pits are more dangerous that is based on significiiant anecdotal data.

          • I didn’t debunk an opinion. You can show many reports of attacks, and I can find an equal # of well behaving dogs. It doesn’t change anything.

  • I had a coworker with a vicious Chihuahua. When his wife became pregnant I asked him what they were going to do about “Abigail” because she would definitely bite a baby. Jason said, “Oh, we had her teeth pulled out.”

  • I heard the shots. I was terrified 🙁 It doesn’t make me feel any better to know it was a dog.

  • You can always count on pit bull defenders to jump onto a story about a kid getting mauled to point out other dogs bite too.

    • No one was mauled. Both ppl had non life threatening injuries. I value your opinion, but let’s not hype up the story to try and get more sympathy your way. I’m sorry they were attacked, and I still don’t think all pits are bad.

      • I’m not looking for any sympathy, and I’m not trying to hype anything. A girl was, in fact mauled, at least according to my dictionary.
        maul |môl| verb [ with obj. ]
        (of an animal) wound (a person or animal) by scratching and tearing: the herdsmen were mauled by lions.
        Two people were sent to a hospital by a dog, and you and the other dog defenders appear to be much more worried about the reputation of pit bulls.

        • Even not serious dog bites go to the hospital to get a rabies shot.
          The general usage of maul is serious…that’s why the example used a lion.
          While the situation is unfortunate, I’m not clinching my pearls over a non life threatening injury not saying down with pits as a result.

          • I don’t think there’s any question of you clutching your pearls. The comment earlier where you implied it was probably the girl’s fault makes it clear where your sympathies lie. Poor little doggy.

          • I said simply that we didn’t know what happened and when epric mentioned it being unlikely I gave a clear example of what might have happened. It’s happened to me and many others. I did not imply anything.
            As someone who’s been attacked by a dog, I’m you were simply mistaken when you made that implication that my sympathy lies with the dog. I’ve obviously said no such thing.

    • +1

      This comment section is ridiculous.

  • I live around here and heard the commotion this morning. It sounded like quite the police response, and props to the cops. Most importantly, I hope that the woman and child are ok. Timmyp’s gun analogy is apt. I will never understand how people can justify owning an animal like a pitbull, especially in a population-dense area like a city.

    • I can’t imagine someone owning a Lab as they bite faces off….No one is going to make that argument.
      Are you getting rid of just pits, certain sizes, all dogs? Considering the high number of pits here, yes, you’ll hear more about them. That’s statistics.

    • epric002

      and what is the alternative, to cull all “pit bulls” in cities? i own one b/c those are primarily the types of dogs who are available for adoption in this area, and b/c mine gets along well with my other dog. i didn’t breed this dog, or buy from a breeder, and i wish other people would stop breeding them. but he doesn’t deserve to die because of how he looks.

    • Replying to Anon Spock and epric002, my position is as follows: you can live in the city -or- you can own a pit bull. You cannot live in a city -and- own a pit bull. Move to the ‘burbs or the country if you want to own a large, strong, dangerous dog. Or don’t own them at all.

      • epric002

        so, EKDC, what should be done with all the pit bulls that already exist in cities? and my dog is large and strong, he is not dangerous, but thanks for trying.

        • Earlier today you wrote:
          “there are some little girls who come running and screaming up to me and my dogs, no matter how many times i’ve told them not to do that. i cross the street now if i see that they’re out b/c it’s a recipe for disaster.”
          Sounds like maybe your dog is dangerous. If you think he will attack strangers while on the leash with you then you should have him muzzled for walks.

          • epric002

            i cross the street b/c my CORGI MIX is skittish and might snap after being startled like that. but i like how you assume it’s the pit bull, and also how somehow my being responsible by avoiding the situation means that my pit bull should be muzzled. the “recipe for disaster” is unsupervised children who have been repeatedly instructed not to run screaming up to strange dogs yet continue to do so.

          • Assumptions aplenty!

          • I didn’t assume anything. I don’t know what kind of dogs you have, and it doesn’t make a difference to me. You said quite clearly “little girls who come running and screaming up to me and my dogs … is a recipe for disaster”. You live in a city, which has lots of kids, some of whom will behave badly around your dogs. The onus is on you to be able to control your dog in that situation. I don’t care what breed it is, if you are worried he’s going to bite someone while you’re walking on a leash you should get him a muzzle for walks.
            How are you going to feel if you don’t see the kid come running up and he gets bit?

          • epric002

            jcm, you succeeded in getting off topic with your assumptions about me and my dogs. thanks for your concern, they are responsibly owned, trained, and always under the control of a responsible adult. i will not engage in further conversation about hypothetical situations when you have no practical knowledge of me or them. if you don’t think that teaching children how to behave around dogs can help prevent dog bites, then you really should do some research on the topic (the AVMA is a good source).

  • I don’t think DC has any laws on the books that hold the owners of a viscious dog criminally reponsible for an attack on a person. This scares me especially to think if a small child was attacked. The owner should be in jail for assualt as far as I am concerned.

  • These dogs are bred to maim and kill. If you do not think aggressive traits are selected for by the people breeding these dogs, you’re delusional. And genetics can’t always be trained out of a dog.
    To go to the gun analogy that everyone is using, yes, guns can be responsibly used, but there are some guns that most responsible people wouldn’t choose to own. Pit Bulls are the sawed off shotgun of the dog world. Yes you “can” own one responsibly, yes there are legit uses for one, but the majority of people who do own them aren’t responsible and own them simply because to the damage they cause.
    The default position should be “can this dog be safe in the hands or the typical person, who is usually an idiot.” Not, “can this dog be safe in the hands of a super conscientious animal lover who spends lots of times rehabilitating animal.”
    It’s telling that most insurance companies will not issue you a policy of you have a pit (I realize they ban some other dogs too).
    Insurance companies base their decisions on data, and usually lots of it. The follow actuarial tables, not media reports. If they believe the to be dangerous, there is likely a good reason for it.

    • What are the legitimate uses for a sawed off shotgun?
      As you said, insurance companies ban other dogs, but you’re not advocating against those breeds just pits. That’s telling.
      Some of those dogs are bred to maim and kill just like some shepherds end up police dogs. The average person who while an idiot treats a dog properly can handle the average (never been a fighting dog) pitbull. Lots of ppl are doing that right now.

      • 1)Sawed off shotguns are legal in many jurisdictions. They are sought after because of their stopping power and the fact that you don’t need to be terribly accurate to use one.
        They are not legal in most urban areas because their ability to cause damage and their concealibility make them inappropriate for densely populated area. So yes, the do have legit purposes but many places have righty made them illegal because they are inappropriate for certain areas.
        Just like Pits. If you want one on your farm or on your property away from lots of people, fine. But allowing them in cities is just asking for more issues like this.

        2) I don’t know what other dogs are on the lists of each and every insurance company. What I do know is that EVERY company if have ever looked at bans pits. That’s what’s telling. I’m just using it as another piece of evidence supporting my argument, not advocating banning all dogs on the list.
        Because that is how responsible policy is made. We notice a problem (pit bull attacks). You don’t make knee jerk reactions based on media reports, but you look at data. But first you need to have a problem. And we are simply not seeing a rash of Rottweiler, German Shepherd or Labrador attacks (and it would make sense with Labs since they are by far the most common breed in The US.)

        I am not advocating culling pits. All we need to do is ban breeding in the city and refuse to license new dogs. Already licensed dogs are grandfathered.

        And pits aren’t the only dog that I think should be banned. I believe the bulldog is another animal in which breeding should be illegal. In both cases, breeding for specific characteristics has perverted what was a fine breed. It should be stopped.

        • “1)Sawed off shotguns are legal in many jurisdictions. They are sought after because of their stopping power and the fact that you don’t need to be terribly accurate to use one.”

          In the United States, owning a shotgun with barrel length of less than 18″ requires a background check and permit from the BATF.

          • That means you can legally posess one in jurisdictions, as long as it is not prohibited locally, correct? I could get one by passing a background check, which I would,and paying for the stamp, which is like 45 bucks.

  • Just look at the data. Pitbulls have become the leading breed of fatal dog attacks. I have no problem with the breed, but I do think some dog owners are in denial of what pit bulls are capable of. Yes, humans are mostly responsible for the behavior, but it doesn’t change what the dogs are capable of doing. It’s a shame really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

    • epric002

      did you happen to notice how frequently rottweilers showed up on that list?

      also, from your link, “They found that the most common contributing factors were: absence of an able-bodied person to intervene, no familiar relationship of victims with dogs, owner failure to neuter dogs, compromised ability of victims to interact appropriately with dogs (e.g. mental disabilities), dogs kept isolated from regular positive human interactions versus family dogs (e.g. dogs kept chained in backyards), owners’ prior mismanagement of dogs, and owners’ history of abuse or neglect of dogs. Furthermore, they found that in 80% of the incidents, 4 or more of the above factors co-occurred.”

      • I absolutely did, bit it doesn’t change the fact that pitbulls show up even more on the list. Specially in the last several years. So, what’s your point? That both Rotts and Pitts can be deadly? Indeed!

        • epric002

          my point is that pit bulls are the currently abused/neglected dog of choice, just like rotties and other breeds were previously. my bigger point relates to the quote i posted above, and will continue to re-iterate: any large breed of dog can cause damage, but the way to prevent dog bites isn’t to ban the (currently en vogue) breed, it is to mitigate the contributing factors (spay/neuter, isolation, socialization, abuse, neglect, etc.)

          • I would agree with that. I guess my point is just that it’s not the media just labeling dog attacks as pitbull attacks. They just happen to be the predominant attacking breed. And yes, it’s all probably because of human abuse or neglect. Another fact might be that the breed happens to be very popular, lately. The bottom line though, is that they are involved in a large number of dog attacks and it’s not just media hype. So, pitbull owners, please keep yours leashed and under your control.

          • epric002

            perhaps we’re just splitting hairs at this point, but ALL dog owners need to (spay/neuter, socialize, etc.) keep them leashed and under control. the media hype though does come in where they pre-emptively ID dogs as as pit bulls when they then turn out to be something else. there are a number of those cases on that wiki page.

    • Pitbulls can kill ppl…ANY dog could kill someone. Increase the penalties and bust up dog fighting rings, increase penalties for cruelty, etc. Lots of things could reduce statistics across the board.

  • oh no. Around midnite last night I saw a dog roam through my alley at 3rd and Ingraham. Dog was white with large dark spots. I couldn’t tell the breed, but it could well have been this same pit. Kinda thinking it was. Never seen that dog in my area before. What’s the guideline here? Should I have called 911, police? at the same time, helicopters were circling because of the shooting.Feeling bad, perhaps dog attack could have been prevented. But who does one call if it’s midnight and you see an unfamiliar stray dog around without an owner?

  • I hope the owners were arrested or face charges in civil court. This terrifying. If you aren’t responsible or mature enough to handle owning a dog – DON’T OWN ONE. And certainly don’t breed them. People breeding dogs in their back yard with no plan, unhealthy conditions nor the finances to care for the dogs should stop as well.

  • justinbc

    Almost to the obligatory 100 posts mark for pit bull stories. We can do it folks.

  • As a UK resident living in petworth near 3rd Nw I appreciate my born country’s laws a little more every day. Almost everyone I speak to in DC complains about anti-social dogs/owners (I have 2 well trained labs) and gun crime. Pit bulls and most weapons are illegal in the UK there’s no need for them in a civilised society, most people seem to agree so who made the NRA the new occupying militia? A very confused resident

    • Ps sorry I don’t know if pitbulls have a lobbyist?

    • Colin, may I ask if you were able to bring your labs from the UK? I had the worst time trying to bring my spaniel from Europe to US, and in the end left him with my dad; he loves it there, lots of space to run, but I still miss my dog. I moved here about 5 years ago, was wondering if things have become easier since them. Thanks in advance if you’re able to respond 🙂

  • Since I cant tell beforehand whether the owners of a pitbull are abusive and neglectful, or if the pitbull has been rescued from an abusive and neglectful situation, I steer clear of the breed when I dont know the owners.

    I dont always avoid dogs with less incidence of violence. Yes, I’ve encountered a violent golden retriever or two, but the media isnt intentionally covering up the vast number of retriever attacks just to dramatize the threat of pit bulls. I will almost always avoid walking my dog next to a pitbull. I’m generally less cautious around other breeds, but still its one of my least favorite things to do.

    There are far more dangerous pit bulls than there are most other breeds of dogs. They are dangerous because: they posses superior innate strength to most dogs and an innate instinct to fight vs flee and to defend, AND, this is the important one, they have a propensity for being abused, taught to fight, neglected, and otherwise mistreated. Maybe some other strong and guarded dog will become the trendy fighting/guard dog in a few years – but strange pit bulls need to be avoided. Strange dogs in general need to be avoided, but I’m far less likely to get a serious, potentially life-threatening, injury from even a big angry golden retriever than a pitbull.

    • Totally agree with you. I don’t think all pit bulls are awful, but I’m not looking to find out the hard way. So I don’t go anywhere near them when I’m walking my dog.

  • There should be zero restrictions on what kind of cats or dawgz to own in a densely populated area. I want to be able to own a cougar and bring it around the neighborhood (for protection!). I will promise to be a responsible owner. My rights to own a cougar should not hinge on the potential irresponsibility of others.

  • Fortunately, this is not as severe a “shootout on our block” as my tenant reported this morning.

  • Can’t say I’m too surprised. Lots of irresponsible pit bull owners in the hood. The thugtastic house on my block that’s almost certainly dealing and/or has a gang affiliation allows a pit bull to roam around off the leash up and down the street.

  • PDleftMtP

    I love these stories. Post that Labs are dumb, sweet family dogs or Chihuahuas are yippy little spazzes, and everyone will nod and smile. Post that pits are aggressive? Well, that’s the next best thing to racism.

    And if you think the main problem is that I need to train my toddler daughter so that your unstable dog doesn’t bite her in public, I will have no compunction about anything that happens to you or your dog. I DO go to great lengths to educate my daughter, and I like dogs, but that is not the f’ing point. She is a toddler, and you know what? She doesn’t 100% get it yet. You do not have a right to put her at risk on a public street to see how she does (and “Dad, you didn’t grab her fast enough to protect my sweet little pittie from startlement!” does not cut it – no, I don’t let her run in traffic, but the cars don’t drive on the sidewalk with us).

    • Agree. If your dog has a problem with kids, other dogs, cars, etc., you need to find a way to keep him/her inside or move elsewhere. I hate that so many people think that the ill behavior of antisocial dogs is something that should be accommodated. Dogs are not humans, nor are they equal. My kids take precedence over your dog always.

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