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Interesting discussion going on down below

by Prince Of Petworth June 20, 2007 at 10:42 am 17 Comments

But it is a little off topic of tips for newcomers so I thought I’d start a new thread. So if you have reactions let’s comment here. Thanks.

Here is a segment from an anon. poster:
“I think you’ll find universally that people who are “working class”, regardless of where there from and what shade they are, when they manage to afford a nice home, sometimes after working for many years to do so, they don’t want crime on their backdoor and don’t see these things as “live and let live” issues. While I understand the motives of those engaging in the business of drug dealing in open markets to promote “no snitchin'” and the occasional hostile take-over (in a hail of gunfire), when self-righteous fools tell me I have to suffer this crime to be “class sensitive” you’ll get a good hearty laugh from this piece of white trash. I will agree with you all day long that legalization, just as with liquor, is a better answer. If you want to start a organization to get drugs legalized I’ll gladly give you a portion of the money I send to other non-profit organizations. But I live in reality, and while criminals are engaged in a potentially dangerous trade near my family and my neighbor’s family they are going to be dodging the MPD every time I see them, and if that means you get busted buying your dime bag behind my lot, sorry Charlie.”

  • Anonymous

    i think you scared wlc away

  • Sarah

    I read the comment that inspired that and just bit my tongue until it bled.

    None of my neighbors, not the ones who has been here since 1958, nor the ones that moved in here last year, want drug dealing on our block, in our alleys, on our corners. And we all call the cops every single time we see it. All of us – richer, poorer, darker, lighter, newcomer, or longtime resident. And we will all continue to do so. We don’t want to live with the side effects of those fools bringing this into our neighborhoods.

    It has nothing to do with race or class or anything at all other than wanting to live in a safe place.

    And yes, I agree, legalization is the long term solution. Until then, the fact that drugs are illegal means that they bring other illegal activities along with them, and I am tired of getting burgled.

  • Anonymous

    Clearly there are people who would wear the pride of coming from a “bad neighborhood” as a badge of honor of sorts. It must be really frustrating to them to see us white folk moving into the neighborhood and threatening their street cred.

    That being said, the neighborhood has been changing pretty quickly, and will probably continue to change. All the blog comments in the world can’t change that.

  • Prince of Petworth

    Ach, I was going to write a post about change and it’s inevitability but you beat me to it anon. Let’s just do our part to make sure there is positive change and inclusion of all who want to encourage and support positive change.

  • Anonymous

    PoP–I respect the good vibes you’re trying to put out there, but fact of the matter is that not everyone in the neighborhood is going to be happy, and we shouldn’t expect them to be either.

    And let’s not flatter ourselves to think that we in the community have the power to change that. It’s all being orchestrated by market-driven interests much bigger than any “community.”

  • Prince of Petworth

    I agree not everyone is going to be happy. That is true. But to a certain degree I think we can do simple things, you know like block parties and the like to foster good community relations. But no doubt some people are not going to pleased. I, however, will be really happy if we get a Dunkin Donuts…

  • duke of kansas ave.

    Well, clearly you have a small movement of people behind you in our neighborhood. I myself am a pretty devoted reader, though the last two Anonymous ones were my first posts….

    Why can’t we lobby Dunkin Donuts or anyone else we want, to open a place in the neighborhood? The Columbia Heights people do it on their blogs all the time.

  • Anonymous

    People whose taxes are going through the roof, especially older folks, have a legitimate complaint with regard to the side effect of rising property values. But wlc’s notion that the neighborhood “belongs” to some roughly constructed socio-economic group which includes drug dealing “underground economies” which might (sadly) dry up if the dealers can’t afford the rent is not very convincing. Also, might not some of the “old” PW residents find it a bit insulting that drug dealing, burglary, and shootings is, as he said, “just DC”, i.e. just the way the “old” neighbors like it? Any long-time PW residents care to let us know if they’ll miss the fellas doing business in the alleys? No doubt that not everyone is going to be happy with the changes, and some people have a legitimate beef with the harshness of “gentrification”, I just personally think that drug dealers ain’t people allowed to have a gripe.

  • Toby

    I hate drug dealing. It is far from a victimless crime. But I think I see it daily. Aren’t the guys who stand on the corner a few blocks from my home, in all kinds of weather doing it? I see them reaching into cars that stop by to “talk” with them, yet I never see merchandise or cash change hands. Then again, I’m driving and pretending not to look at them.

    But I never call 311 or 911 or the police. Every onve and a while the cops come by and the corner is clear again.

    As for so-called gentification, which I’ve always thought of as educated white people with good jobs not afraid to live in marginal neighborhoods, an elderly neighbor just sold her house for half a million and bought a condo on the beach with the profits. A Hondoran family bought the house.

  • Anonymous

    Toby: It can’t hurt to interrupt MPD’s doughnut munching sessions to have them take a look. I’d say it’d be good exercise for them, but they’d probably break out the Segways rather than actually walk, or god forbid, trot down a side alley. Seriously, is there any other self-respecting police agency in the world that would let their officers ride those things?

  • duke of kansas ave.

    Yet another good reason to have a Dunkin Donuts in the neighborhood. Think of all the cops we’d have hanging around!

    As for self-respecting police agencies that use the Segway, you can count New York City and Chicago among them.

  • Anonymous

    As a self-respecting cop who rides a mountain bike on patrol, I think the Segways are quite lame. But they are “visible”, which makes them popular.

    And to comment on the “doughnut munching sessions”, I wish, but we just don’t have enough doughnut shops in the city for that, especially in 4D.

    And lastely, unfortunately, manpower constraints and geography force most officers into cars.

  • Anonymous

    Fair enough, I’ll admit I’d probably stop doing whatever bad thing I was doing if I saw you coming at me on a mountain bike. But the Segway coppers… not very intimidating.

  • PW Princess

    Yeah, in the original post, that first angry anonymous poster and WLC both cheesed me off.

    I just hate that there seems to be a misguided view that all the newcomers are white people, when there are all kinds of people “gentrifying” the area.

    And that whole line of “underground economies” and “victimless crimes” was riDONCulous. How is that not hurting us when people feel unsafe because of the drug dealers and drug users?

    I would love it if some “newcomers” would buy the house across the street from me so the homies and all their detritus (there is a mound of trash outside their backdoor almost as tall as a car!) would hopefully go away.

    Good luck WLC in your nationwide search for another “hood.”

  • Anonymous

    As Sarah stated: “It has nothing to do with race or class or anything at all other than wanting to live in a safe place.”

    Thank YOU

  • jasong

    News account from the 4-D site (accurate, I hope): “this past Thursday evening the house at 723 Taylor ST NW was raided and nine suspects were arrested; crack cocaine, marijuana and heroin; and an assault rifle were taken from the property.” Would anyone believe that any of this house’s neighbors just wish that these entrepeneurs had been left alone to handle their business?

  • Anonymous

    Sadly, the guys at 723 have been and continue to go about their business, raids or not. They get raided fairly often, and once some dude with a shotgun and a warrant out for assault with intent to kill holed himself up there and caused the entire street to be shut down.

    In any case, I can say (as one of the neighbors) that pretty much everyone on the street wants these guys gone, but that doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon. Supposedly the owner is on his way out, but I will believe that when I see it.


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