“Neighbors trying to shut down #ChuckBrownDay concert after approving in ANC meeting.”


Thanks to a reader for passing on. Another reader writes via email with the Facebook event page for Chuck Brown Day:

“My neighbors are straight-up livid at the idea of 3k people coming to the hood, but I think it’s pretty cool, and a good chance for people to familiarize themselves with our part of town. Hopefully they don’t succeed in getting the event moved or canceled. I assume parking will be rough if that many people actually attend, though, so people should probably take transit if at all possible.”


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  • The event ends at 8pm. This is not going to be going on all night, as the letter implies.

    It’s four hours long. At a free event, that means that visitors will be coming and going and it certainly does not mean that 3000 people are going to be there for 4 hours.

    Finally, and most obviously: Everyone knows that an accepted Facebook invite means absolutely nothing.

    • All of this.

    • Sure. Like how the Caribbean Festival stopped at 8pm…good luck, neighbors. I agree with the suggestion that you lock your doors and get out of town for the weekend.

      • It’s a public park, though, so who cares? Those people have every right to be there as long as they’re not actively hurting anyone or anything.

        • I think you are confused about how public parks work. Everyone has a right to be there. The organizers do not have the right to hold a 5k+ event there unless they are granted that right by the city via a permitting process.
          Comments here are are hilarious.

          • Of course. That’s not what I meant. Once the event is over, residual people are just citizens hanging out at the park. Is there a responsibility of the event organizers, once the event itself is finished, to remove people from a public park?

          • Yes. That’s typically specified in the permit. Event organizers are definitely responsible for anything that happens after the event is over.

          • I doubt that organizers are required to remove individuals from a public park who aren’t doing anything wrong other than having attended their concluded event. If you have evidence to the contrary, I’ll accept it. You, like the original letter-writer, seem to be equating “presence” with “rabble-rousing and possibly crime-committing.”

          • First of all, the park closes at dark. So yes, you can force people to leave.
            Second, I don’t think you understand how permitting works. If the city thinks an excessive number of people are likely to hang around after an event, that needs to be part of the permit plan. If the event will have a lot of young and/or intoxicated people, appropriate security needs to be involved. While it’s a public park the organizers are the ones who brought 6k people there and are responsible until they are dispersed, regardless of wether the event is officially over.

          • lol amazing’s comments here are hilarious.

        • As a public park, it technically closes at dark.

        • People hanging out late at night and MPD being unwilling to get out of their cars to kick them out has been a long standing complaint from neighbours. Probably contributes to concerns about this event.

    • justinbc

      +1 your last comment, but I would add that similarly, everyone knows an “end time” doesn’t mean people disperse and go home then either.

      • I would go so far as to say that, not only will the not disperse, it’s likely people will stick around for a while and may shoot and/or stab each other.

        • We know you assume as much. That’s exactly the problem.

          • I guess we’ll see how it plays out. Given the shooting/stabbing that’s happened in the last few weeks near this location it’s not much of a stretch. Gathering 6k people just before dark seems like a terrible idea.

          • lol amazing – I see you posting that there will be 5-6k people in attendance all over this thread. Where are you getting that info from? The Facebook invite only has 3k rsvp’s, and any good Millennial knows that clicking “yes” means there’s about a 20% chance you actually make it to the event.

        • …and there we are.

        • LOL amazing
          Your comments of assuming concert goers will stab people and/or commit crimes are racist. You also seem to exaggerate the amount of people coming, first it is 3000 then 5000 now in your comment below it is 6000. Pretty soon you will have it as 1 million criminals invading your neighborhood.

  • I’m willing to chip in for smelling salts and a fainting couch for this concerned citizen. or a bus ticket out of town that weekend.

  • Oh, come on.

    “The members of the community were asked….we agreed as long as there was a police presence before, during, and after the performance and as long as DPR cleaned up afterwards.”

    Be careful what you agree to. If you agree to something, then organizers plan an event, then you go back on your agreement, that’s on you.

    And stop demonizing gogo music.

    • I guess this is all just going to guarantee that nothing every peaceably gets approved again.
      We should focus on how unfounded and unjustified the outrage over the event itself is, rather than the procedural issues.

    • Yeah, that sentence stood out to me too. If those were the conditions they (and I’d be curious how many neighbors this letter writer represents) laid out, and the organizers are holding up their end of the bargain on that front, then what is the problem? Are they saying that they discussed all of these event logistics but the size of the proposed gathering somehow never came up?

  • The Chuck Brown Memorial is in Langdon Park. Why wouldn’t they be able to fit a large number of people there? In fact, hasn’t this event been held there in the past?

    • Moreover, I’m sure I’ll feel safer in that park that day than on a typical day.

    • The original plans were for a 900 person amphitheater that was then scaled back. 3,000 people don’t fit in the memorial area, but there is room if they spill out over the picnic pavilion and deeper into the park.

  • I guess we’d better cancel this. Getting a large group of people together to celebrate music and common heritage is way too dangerous. It’d be better for all if we didn’t program any activities for these “youths” and let them come up with their own things to do. /sarc

  • I’m a neighbour that supports this.

    • I’m one of the OP’s. I’d encourage you to reach out to the city officials below and voice your support. The initial email asking to cancel the event (and subsequent emails of support) were sent to them, so it makes sense to make other opinions known.

      Nolan Treadwell ,
      Kenyon McDuffie ,
      [email protected]” ,
      [email protected]

      • Thanks for giving me the addresses to tell them to cancel this event, as a neighbor and homeowner in this area. I’ll pass them along to the majority of homeowners who are outraged at the thought of this many people.

        • I’m a homeowner just up 20th from the park, and I want to see the city enjoy our neighborhood. I didn’t get polled when you established your official “majority” tally.

        • I’m a neighbour that lives on the park, and I’m excited to see this park get used.

        • These are public officials and their email addresses are not exactly kept secret. You have every right to email them and I’m sure others will email expressing their support of the event.

    • I’d encourage you to reach out to Nolan Treadwell and Kenyan McDuffie to express your support. Many have sent them concerns/requests to cancel the event, so it is important to make sure they know that sentiment is not universal among neighbors.

  • justinbc

    Anyone else find it odd that 3 years after his death this band still hasn’t changed its name?

    • Not really – I mean, the Allman Brothers are still a thing, right?

      • They still have one Allman brother in the band. And I think they recently announced that they are calling it a career.

    • If they change their name, no one would know who they are. Why would they make themselves less visible on purpose?

    • No, no one else. Odd question, unless you know nothing of Chuck Baby’s legacy in this city.

    • Were they actually called “The Chuck Brown Band” before his death?
      Anyway, I don’t find it odd at all. Their claim to musical fame is providing the sound for Chuck Brown, that’s what they’re known for and that’s why people want to see them. Why would they conceal that by changing their name? And I would assume they’re playing all the same stuff that they used to when Chuck was with them.

    • No, it is pretty typical for bands to hold on to names that are widely recognized. Even if the eponymous member is dead. And even if the band isn’t all that compelling anymore and has been relegated to shows at state fairs.

    • short answer – NO

  • I can’t tell if you’re trolling, but I’ll bite. Brown served his time and paid his debt to society. Cosby is probably going to get away with raping, not having sex, but drugging and raping, 30 some odd women, because he was able to outlast the statute of limitations.

    • I saw that too, before PoP deleted it. I’ve noticed that same comment on every post related to Chuck Brown and/or Bill Cosby. It’s a completely faulty comparison.

  • 3,000+ people expressing interest does not necessarily mean that 3,000+ will attend. But then I wonder if this letter is really about how many people will attend.

  • Lawn chairs and Chuck Brown? Sounds like the average age for this is going to be about 60.

  • Bye Felicia. This has prejudice written all over it.

    Sorry you failed to realize that Chuck Brown is a beloved DC gogo legend and that scores of people would actually want to attend this event. His music promoted togetherness and celebration, and THAT is why he was able reach so many. Furthermore, most of his fans are full grown adults (i.e My 53 year old mother) who grew up listening to him and have no desire to create violence and chaos in your precious neighborhood.

    • Unfortunately I don’t think people understand this or even want too.

    • justinbc

      Prejudice? Do you know something about the letter writer that none of the rest of us do? Or is it impossible to believe for you that a black person could have civic concerns that outweigh their love of Go Go music?

      • Wake up and read between the lines.

        • justinbc

          There’s enough actual prejudice and racism out there in the world that you don’t have to fabricate it through everything else by “reading through the lines”.

          • There are enough people out there disguising prejudice with dog whistles (“states’ rights.” “urban youth.” “violent go-go fans.”), that you’re willfully ignorant if you DON’T read between the lines.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Nothing good ever comes from making assumptions about other people’s motives. Just let their actual words and actual actions reveal them. Either the letter-writer is motivated by prejudice or he or she isn’t, and the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of us do not know which is the case. Guessing is of no value.

        • I know the letter writer and am very confident that there is not any prejudice at the type of event or potential patrons, just at the size.

          Trash and congestion and noise, oh my!

          • If the size is the only issue, why did she bring up “violence when large groups of go go fans get together” as a concern? I think the type of people this event attracts are also a concern to her.

          • Hyperbole to grab a reaction, and reaction it grabbed.

        • Yeah, I agree with justinbc here. Plenty of even bigger concerts with black performers and largely black audiences go off without at hitch (shout out to Wale in the AutoZone on H St). Go go shows often tend to have violence because a lot of the people in bands are associated with neighborhood crews. Langdon has had a fair amount of violence lately and is a hard place to police. Something this big and with this much potential for trouble should be somewhere easier for security to monitor. There’s going to be another thread here in 2 weeks after this disaster happens and you can apologize for your idiocy then.

          • Langdon has had some violence lately, but so has the rest of the city. So have other cities. What makes you think Langdon is uniquely difficult to police? It’s a sparsely populated neighborhood well within the borders of a major metropolitan city. It’s not Kandahar.
            You just don’t want something in your backyard. You want all the benefits of adjacency to the city without any actual risks and participation as a neighborhood in the city’s culture and development. And it’s sickening.

          • Are you just trolling? People will kill people what are you going to do?
            The point is that if you are going to have an event in a neighborhood that has had a lot of violence recently, and music who’s fans have been violent recently, you should at a minimum have controlled entry/exit points, bag searches/metal detectors, easy visibility of all points in the crowd, and possibly video surveillance.
            This park has none of those. People will approach from all sides. The will be spread among play equipment and trees. The crowd will likely spill onto neighboring streets and yards. While the number of individuals who are likely to cause trouble is very small, these circumstances maximize the opportunities for those people to sell/use drugs and engage in violence.

          • I’m not trolling. Crime is bad. We should stop crime.
            Also, we should live our lives. Your evidence for why this concert will result in violence is thin. Some random crimes over the course of the past couple months foretells nothing about this event. More people means more eyes and safety. And DC is no stranger to park concerts; they’ve been holding punk shows at Fort Reno park for some 40 years.

          • HaileUnlikely

            I have no knowledge of serious estimates of the number of people attended at this event. Without comment on the veracity of the estimates, and without being specific to this event, as a general matter, I don’t think “living our lives” and not having events expected to draw 3000 people at a little park in a neighborhood with a known recent violence problem are mutually exclusive. I have a park about the same size as this one a couple blocks from my house (nowhere near this location), and I am unaware of any events having ever been held there that intended to draw a crowd of that size.

          • And if there were a Minor Threat commemoration concert that expected over 6k people I would also suggest they have appropriate security and not have it in Langdon.
            Those Fort Reno concerts attract a few hundred at most. Completely different scenario.

          • You’re literally just making up numbers. They keep escalating with each comment you post. You’re intent on setting an arbitrarily high bar of expectations both in turnout and in security necessary for you to approve the event. You’ll never be satisfied.

          • “Go go shows often tend to have violence because a lot of the people in bands are associated with neighborhood crews.”

            Sounds like prejudice to me.

          • HaileUnlikely

            anonymouse: That honestly does not sound like prejudice to me. It is a statement that is factual in nature about whether one number is bigger or smaller than another number, and at the end of the day, it is either true or false. I honestly do not know whether it is true or false, but when evaluating its veracity, prejudice has no place, as it is a question of whether one number really is bigger than another and the answer does not depend on how anybody feels about races of people or genres of music.

          • It requires an extraordinary amount of cognitive dissonance to argue that Chuck Brown is god’s gift to DC, beloved by everyone, and deserving of a huge celebration; while at the same time arguing the event is no big deal and not a ton of people will come.
            Look, I love go-go and I will probably go to the event either way. It’s not too close to me so it won’t have a negative effect on my neighborhood. Unfortunately about 0.5% of the african americans in DC are in crews and many of them like gogo. And that small number of a*holes really f*ck it up for everyone. Anyone who thinks there’s not frequent violence at gogo events is an idiot or has their head in the sand. Is it racist to acknowledge that you need a little more security at Backyard Band than f*cking Celion Deion? Only an ignorant dipsh*t would think that.
            This will be fun either way, but I’d prefer to see the event held in a safe and responsible way so we can have it continue in the future, rather than a way that perpetuates the trend of an already violent summer. With facebook responses this high two weeks out, it should probably be somewhere else.

    • justinbc

      Stolen? Is that how home sales work? I was under the impression the people selling were given money.

  • If you’re not down with Chuck Brown, you’re not down with DC
    Looking forward to the celebration

  • “As Langdon residents, we want to ensure that nobody ever actually visits Langdon Park unless as a last resort for their dog.”

    • You should see how outraged some of these folks are that Echostage and the surrounding clubs exist.

      • You are so funny. LOL Come move next to the clubs. There’s plenty of parking for you.

        • Thanks for the invite! Already here. I prefer to use public transit but my car is in my driveway when I need it. I’ve never had any clubgoers parking in it, believe it or not!

  • I think it is telling that the OP requires a significant amount of imagination and exaggeration to make their point. Comparing an outdoor daytime event which will not serve alcohol and ends at dark to a club that serves and lets out at 3am is ignorant at best and most likely a bit of self-serving intellectual dishonesty.

  • I just RSVPed to spite these NIMBYs.

  • Well most True Chuck Brown fans are middle age and older. Unless they also have younger bands performing I wouldn’t worry about too many “youth” being there. Not all go-go fans are ready for war. You all moved to this city, you might want to embrace some of it’s culture. I’ll be there with my Chuck Brown t-shirt on having a good time. I guess some of you will be peaking through your windows instead

  • Also the criminal element that you all assume will be wrecking havoc on the neighborhood is about 20 years younger than the average Chuck Brown fan. This crowd is pretty relaxed and mature.

  • there were hardly 1000 people at the opening of Chuck Brown park – if that many. I very seriously doubt that 3000 people will show for this. ready to rock no matter how many !!

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