MPD Update on Recent Assaults in Bloomingdale by Group of Young Boys and Girls

by Prince Of Petworth March 27, 2013 at 11:30 am 122 Comments

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A week ago a reader shared the experience of her roommate being attacked by a group of teens in Bloomingdale. Apparently this was not an isolated incident. On the MPD-5D Listserve MPD Commander Solberg updated yesterday:

On Tuesday, March 19, at about 6:15 pm, we got a call that a group of young boys and girls were throwing items at a person near 2nd and W Sts., NW. We went but were unable to find a victim. While we were investigating this matter, we located a person in the 100 block of Adams St., NW, who said that a group of young boys and girls had used the steps to his basement apartment as a spot to gather, and when he told them to leave, they threw fruit at his window.

He did not want to make a report about this, but officers were able to canvass the immediate area and found a group of kids in the 2200 block of Flagler in a front yard of a house where they did not live. Some of the kids ran off, but we were able to stop and identify a young man, who lived nearby.

In the days after this event, residents made us aware of other similar incidents involving what seemed to us the same group of young kids.

We alerted all our 5D, and specifically the PSA 501 officers and supervisors, and we moved to put an end to all such activity.

Yesterday, Monday, March 25, officers in both the First and Fifth Districts got calls about a group of kids assaulting a woman near 2nd and Rhode Island Avenue, NW. Our 5D officers were on the scene of this event quickly, and we stopped a group of four women who we believed were involved. One of these girls was placed under arrest after being identified as one of the kids involved in the assault.

Three other girls were stopped and identified but not arrested.

All girls are 11, 12, or 13. All live in the 200 block of W St., NW, and two of the girls are sisters.

We expect that yesterday’s arrest will put an end to the behavior we have seen, but it is important for everyone to remember:

When an event such as this occurs, call 911 first, and explain things to the listserv second. The listserv is a great way to gather and disseminate information, but sometimes neighbors post messages to the listserv but forget to call 911 to alert us, and without that call, we may be unaware of the activity.

But this morning he updates again:

As we learn more about recent incidents in Bloomingdale, I and others are receiving other reports from other individuals who say that they have run into this same (apparently) group of young boys and girls in the neighborhood, and that they have been assaulted or threatened. It seems likely that not all events have been reported to us at the MPD.

I am therefore asking that if anyone has been a victim of any activity or knows about anything assaults or other activity committed in the area by groups of kids they get in touch with us.

Lieutenant Randy Griffin is the supervisor for all MPD efforts in PSA 501, and I ask that you use him as your point of contact if you have information we can use. His email address is included here.

I also was in contact last night with Cmdr. Jacob Kishter of the Third District, and he reports that in 3D there have been similar incidents. We will work together so that all MPD efforts have a centrally focused point of contact.

3D and 5D share a border along 2nd Street, NW, and in the Monday night incident where we stopped several young girls, we learned that they live in the 200 block of W Street, NW, which is in the Third District.

We remind everyone again to please call 911 to report any type of criminal or suspicious behavior so that we can take the appropriate steps.

  • Unfortunate that the city is ‘renovating’ the projects on W street instead of demolishing them.

    • Just because you chose to move into a neighborhood with “projects” in it doesn’t mean you have a right to move those projects out because you’re there now… There are plenty , and as a matter of fact a MAJORITY of honest and upstanding citizens living in these buildings who can’t move because they can’t afford to. Your attitude comes off as entitled and elitist and it’s what I can’t stand about some people who are benefiting from DC’s urban renewal. Lets work on coexistance more.

      • DCBob

        Jack, I understand your point but what about the units that house people who are committing crimes? If the children who have been assaulting people live in subsidized housing then I would like to see them kicked out of that housing unit. I don’t think it’s too much to ask that those living in subsidized housing follow the law and ensure that their kids who live with them do the same. If only law abiding people lived in projects then there wouldn’t be as much opposition to them.

        • Kids in DC that throw fruit at people in DC are no different than kids who put firecrackers in mail boxes in the suburbs…. They’re kids, who don’t understand the full consequences of their actions. It’s up to improving education, good parenting, community outreach, and policing to balance the equation and reinforce the community. The main problem is that some of the (new resident) “gentrifiers” come in with elitist attitudes vocal against people who have lived in the community, way back when it wasn’t high priced, with hopes to evict these families and rebrand neighborhoods as their own. These kids pick up on that and react to that with defiance…

          • “It’s up to improving education, good parenting, community outreach, and policing to balance the equation and reinforce the community. ”

            OK, so the city is working on education and policing.
            What do you mean by “community outreach”?
            And is the “good parenting” aspect being addressed? What happens to these kids parents?

          • Anonymous

            “The main problem is that some of the (new resident) “gentrifiers” come in with elitist attitudes vocal against people who have lived in the community, way back when it wasn’t high priced, with hopes to evict these families and rebrand neighborhoods as their own.”
            I can’t say as I’ve seen this attitude expressed anywhere, by anyone. You do a disservice to those of us who are trying to fit in, but could easily be tagged with a “gentrifier” label. And anyway, your misperceived notion couldn’t really be logically termed “the main problem”, even if it were true. Which it isn’t.
            Everyone I know (educated gentrifiers all) knows and loves some neighbors, knows and hates some others. We generally hate the ones who are throwing bottles at us. We generally love the ones who smile and say good morning and take care of their surroundings, pretty much without regard for the zillow value of their home. It’s really quite simple.

          • Anonymous

            So their bad behavior is justified then? And last time I checked, we live in a capitalist society. I don’t really feel that great about paying my neighbor’s rent just to have them turn around and attack me. A thank you would be nice.

          • Farnsworth

            Yeah I’m always baffled by the openness of people’s contempt toward the natives while balking at predictable reactions to such contempt. You guys are quite openly contemptuous. Do you think no one is supposed to notice?

            I’m not talking about just violent reactions. Gentrifiers blog commenters refer to natives having some vague animosity toward them, in terms of general backlash and opposition to municipal projects, as if it’s based on nothing, or blind racism. Do you think the dismissive and hateful attitude you reveal about them in your comments takes place in a “doesn’t really count” dimension?

            You clearly want them off your shoe; why should they have any respect for you?

          • Community outreach is being a mentor or big brother to a kid who doesn’t have the best role models around them. It also means conversing with neighbors and offering to help when the need arises. It means intervening when you see something wrong going down in the neighborhood and not just being scared of people who look/live different than you…

            If you buy an $600k house in Bloomingdale next to a project building, it’s also knowing in advance that you have the personality to make that situation work, not just moving in and hoping that the building next door will eventually get knocked down. If you don’t want that struggle, move to Arlington because there’s no better way to state the reality of living in DC, there’s good and bad.

            I find crack baggies in the atrium outside my office building in Chinatown when I go to work, because I live in the city… There’s a homeless shelter a few blocks away, which helps good people too. Who am I to say they can’t be here? This is city life… Reality.

          • jack, these are not kids throwing fruit at people. I personally watched a group of them walking down second street throwing rocks at cars and passersby. Extensive reports on the bloomingdale list-serv refer to robberies, people being attacked with metal pipes, etc.

            This neighborhood has been through many changes, and my arrival here 10 years ago (long before gentrification hit) makes me no more or less legitimate a resident than someone who lives in the public housing projects on W, which haven’t been here forever either. Regardless of my tenure in the neighborhood, I don’t deserve being jostled and subjected to racial insults in corner stores, being brutally beaten on T and 5th streets a couple of months ago, or witness drivers and passerby having stones thrown at them.

            It’s incontrovertible fact that concentrated low income housing is bad for its residents, not just the surrounding neighborhood. These girls are a perfect example of that.

          • dcd

            “Kids in DC that throw fruit at people in DC are no different than kids who put firecrackers in mail boxes in the suburbs….”

            So in your world, vandalism is the same as assault? Gimme a break.

            “The main problem is that some of the (new resident) “gentrifiers” come in with elitist attitudes . . . These kids pick up on that and react to that with defiance…”

            Again, in your mind the main problem is the elitist attitudes, not reacting with violence to those elitist attitudes? FFS, Jack.

          • In response to: eric_in_ledroit

            If you chose to move into that neighborhood, you inherit it’s difficulty by default. The same would probably happen to me as a black man moving into Little Italy in New York, where I did fear for my life as well when I just visited a friend there years ago. Small minded people in these communities see outsiders as a threat. it is not directly linked to crime, its linked to a failure of coexistance. This is the way the world works, we can’t cry “unfair”. You made a choice to move there, they made their choice as well.

            What I’m trying to illustrate is that the reactions and even crimes are no different based on racial makeup of a community. Though what’s happening is absolutely wrong, this is still a city, where everyone lives very close, and tension is bound to happen. I only hope that people who plan to move here don’t come into it with racial bias, or we’ll become just as crappy as New York where communities get divided by racial lines.

            Income and racial diversity in neighborhoods is the only way to make DC a good city. It didn’t have that before the MLK riots, and look what that did for the city, and how it took 20 years to come back to where we are now.

          • Anonymous

            Really, you were afraid of the Italians in Little Italy when you visited? How long ago was that? Because Little Italy hasn’t been majority Italian since WWII. It hasn’t even been plurality Italian in decades. It’s a tourist spot next to Chinatown, and has been filled with boring middle class (or richer) people since I grew up in NYC in the 1980s.

          • Anonymous

            “I find crack baggies in the atrium outside my office building in Chinatown when I go to work, because I live in the city… There’s a homeless shelter a few blocks away, which helps good people too. Who am I to say they can’t be here? This is city life… Reality.”

            You’re really lost. Just because crime is a reality does not mean it has a rightful place. People who tolerate criminal behavior enable it to continue. People who are intolerant of criminal behavior help to reduce it. Thankfully, there are more of the latter every month.

        • Anonymous

          How is it at all fair that if a kid commits a crime, the entire family should lose their housing?

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, the Israeli Method of retribution against the family doesn’t work too well.

          • It’s completely fair. If you don’t want to follow the rules, don’t accept/expect the handout.

            The waitlist for subsidized housing is long. Surely there are other families raising well-behaved children who deserve this benefit far more than those who let their kids run wild and attack people.

          • Anonymous

            i welcome my draconian overlords.

      • Anonymous

        Actually there are some neighborhoods in DC where the majority of males are involved, or have been involved in the past, in the criminal justice system. So it’s a myth that it’s just a “few bad apples” that are causing mayhem. That may be true of really violent crime (murder, rape, etc) but there are certainly sections of the city where casual lawbreaking is considered the norm, and the only issue is “will I get caught”. My guess (just a guess of course) is that the 200 block of W St is one of those locations.

        So, no I don’t have much sympathy for the “innocent” residents in DC’s public housing projects. First they are living off the public dime (usually in perpetuity). Second, the tolerance of casual lawbreaking throughout the community is WHY the projects are in such rough shape.

        • >>Actually there are some neighborhoods in DC where the majority of males are involved, or have been involved in the past, in the criminal justice system. So it’s a myth that it’s just a “few bad apples” that are causing mayhem.

          WOW! Rush Limbaugh posts on POP?

          This post was actually about kids who were suspected of throwing fruit at people. Why you chose to make that gross generalization here only highlights your bias.

          • Bull****. This post is about a group of young people who are suspects in a string of numerous recent violent assaults. That’s absolutely not the same as firecrackers in a mailbox, or throwing some fruit. Don’t be intentionally stupid.

          • Anonymous

            Agreed – please refer to the original post. There’s a pretty big difference between throwing a banana and throwing rocks, sticks, and metal siding at a person. Or are those things just “the fruit of the city”?

            “My roommate turned around and noticed that a group of boys were standing behind the girls and a few of them were wearing face masks. My roommate declined to help the girls and that’s when they started yelling profanities at her and threatening her. One of the girls threw a handful of rocks at my roommate and that’s when the boys followed, throwing rocks, sticks, and metal siding at her. After being hit in the head with a large rock, she threatened to call the police and they told her that they needed a new cellphone so she should get it out.”

          • Ok, so you’re telling me that if we lock this vicious small group of 11,12,and 13 year old kids in jail for throwing fruit at people with adult hardened criminals then all the attacks in DC will stop?

            Lets lock up adolescent suburban kids as well for getting into fights, underage drinking, DUIs, doing drugs, blowing up mailboxes, and for throwing illegal house parties as well while we’re at it…

            Who’s the rational person here now?

          • Anonymous

            Still not sure where your fruit argument is coming from. Anyone that attacks someone with rocks and metal pipes should be disciplined, I’m sure that much is obvious. However, where I disagree with you, Jack, is that unlike fruit, metal pipes/rocks/sticks are not, in fact, found in the produce section at Giant.

          • The Fruit of the City

            I see the metal rods are just coming into season. Should have a bumper crop of cinderblocks this year.

          • I don’t quite know how one throws Aluminum siding at someone either… The story sounds a bit botched to me. Key factor is the ages of the girls cited were 11-13. That adds a lot of perspective to the issue. At 13 years old, you’re not able to drive, much less profit off a life of throwing rocks, apples, oranges, balloons, matchbox cars, and/or aluminum siding at people. It’s hard for me to think of a group of adolescents as an organized crime syndicate waging a war on white citizens as well. I don’t think it’s the same kids every time either. But hey, what do I know, I wasn’t there or even really emotionally invested in the issue of what they threw…

          • Maymo

            Jack5, ENOUGH with the fruit! You are purposefully pulling the most innocuous, almost comical account of assault and focusing exclusively on it.

            Why do you continue to ignore the reports of attack by rock, stick and metal siding? In doing so, and making it seem like the anger here is directed only to misbehaving children throwing fruit, you reduce your credibility and nullify some of your rightful points.

            PoP – why still with the “posting too quickly” messages?

          • Anonymous

            lolz – forget to take your meds today?

        • Pretty sure you’ve ever needed public assistance. Most people don’t want to stay in these homes, as they aren’t all that great. You seem to be living in the awesome 90’s stereotype of “welfare queens” who had 12 kids and just watched TV all the time.

          • B’Dale Res

            At this point, I would just gloss over JACK5 comments… Jack is a dull boy. He is stuck on the fruit incident and apparently is unable to understand that these kids have been roaming the neighborhood for quite a while and have been involved in robberies and physical assaults.

            I personally witnessed these kids ripping apart someone’s picket fence, throwing rocks at pedestrians and cars from the top of a 6+ story retirement home next to the W street projects. It is an unfortunate state of affairs quite frankly. Sure, we live in the city and subject ourselves to potentially higher levels of crime. That doesn’t mean we have to put up with it. Or allow these activities to take place because their tenure in the hood gives them the entitlement to break the law. The W street projects are a hornets nest and an unfortunately state of affairs on many, many different levels.

            JACK5, I would recommend you stop sniffing your farts out of a brandy glass. You might stop killing your own brain cells based on the smell of your ignorance. Good luck!

          • To: B’Dale Res

            You probably spent $600k on that house because it looked immaculate inside, and didn’t even consider that you bought next to the projects you’re complaining about…

            Same kind of person that buys a house next to railroad tracks without knowing. It’s not cool to complain that you didn’t know that trains are noisy after you moved in either bub… Here’s a secret: The train tracks never get relocated in your lifetime… Embrace it.

          • dcd

            @Jack5 – Now I’m really confused. On one hand, you state, “Income and racial diversity in neighborhoods is the only way to make DC a good city.” I completely agree with that. On the other, you castigate people who bought houses in up and coming neighborhoods, telling them that well, you brought next to the projects, you should expect street crime and to be villified by the existing residents. So how are you going to achieve the economic and racial diversity you apparently think is crucial if more well-to-do residents have no expectation of safety of acceptance?

      • Anonymous

        Dear kindly Sergeant Krupke, you gotta understand
        It’s just our bringin’ upke that gets us out of hand
        Our mothers all are junkies, our fathers all are drunks
        Golly Moses, naturally we’re punks

        Gee, Officer Krupke, we’re very upset
        We never had the love that every child oughta get
        We ain’t no delinquents, we’re misunderstood
        Deep down inside us there is good

        There is good
        There is good, there is good
        There is untapped good
        Like inside, the worst of us is good

        • B’Dale Res

          I actually bought a sh!tbox at a decent price years ago and knew the projects were there and not going away. The projects don’t bother me – good for them. Jerks bother me and there are jerks of all colors and classes in the neighborhood/city. Some are jerks and obey the law, some are jerks and like to inflict harm on to others. In the end, most jerks are ignorant…and they thrive on the internet just as much as our streets.

          Put the glass down JACK5 and pull your pants up.

          • Anonymous

            Oh man, OK: in what’s appeared to turn into the “jack5 vs. everyone else” debate, I think jack5 makes some valid points about entitled and elitist attitudes toward low-income people and public housing residents that seem to creep out every time there’s a PoP post like this. I think the other commenters are likewise making a valid point that several of these particular incidents have crossed the line into something more serious and violent than throwing fruit at someone’s window. That is not acceptable and needs to be dealt with, whether through the juvenile justice system or other social service/family support avenues (and I have my own opinions about that, but I’ll leave that debate for another day). However, the fact remains that these attacks that are the subject of the 5D listserv post are being perpetrated by a *specific* small group of teens–yet some commenters here (I repeat, some, not all) want to take those incidents and extrapolate them into broad judgments about low-income housing and its residents. While I might not agree with all of his opinions, good on jack5 for quite rightly calling out the “us vs. them” attitude.

        • ZERO_SUM

          “Krup you!”

          (I watched that episode of CYE last night where Larry sings that song the entire episode. Too funny)

      • Jack5,

        You’re fighting a losing (but admirable) battle here. If you want to have a meaningful conversation about public housing, gentrification, or crime, you’re chosen the wrong forum.

      • whycantipostinsuccession

        agreed. please don’t judge based on 6 or 7 individuals…. i’m don’t judge ledroit park based on you alone.

  • Lovely. MPD is certainly optimistic that one arrest (probably with no real consequences) will put a stop to this type of behavior.

    • I would also like to hear from the city (not just MPD) what can be done to fix this type of behavior. And simply stating DYRS will take care of them is obviously not enough.

    • I just wanted to say that I’ve lived in NYC (was a cop there), Boston and now here. MPD does an amazing job of communicating with the public. They put the cell phones of the PSA Lts on the website, which I think is insane. So knock them all you want, but just know that their post is the only reason this is a story right now.

  • anon

    “we learned that they live in the 200 block of W Street, NW”

    I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.

  • anon

    11, 12, and 13? sheesh. practically babies.

  • Anonymous

    Someone posted on the MPD-5D list serv:

    “I know the girls in question. They are saying that they were not the ones but that the eye witness’ and police picked whomever to teach a lesson. I tutor these kids.

    Although they attend school daily, they do run the streets but-you got the wrong ones. One girl has a mother who is ill and bed ridden.

    Nonetheless, if a crime is being committed-call enforcement. ”

    -_- Give me a break….

    • Prince Of Petworth

      And the MPD commander replied that it is not unusual for people to deny being involved in crimes.

      • washingtonian

        When I got mugged by a male-female robbery duo, MPD stopped a black couple that looked nothing whatsoever like the one I described and asked me to ID them. I was astounded. It was like they literally stopped the first black couple they saw walking and collared them. I wouldn’t say it’s beyond reason to speculate that MPD may have nabbed the wrong kids.

        • Anonymous

          Same thing happened to me 🙁

  • Anonymous

    I need to change my walking route so that I have a shot at making my lifelong dream of decking a middle schooler come true.

    • washingtonian

      Getting arrested for assaulting a minor must be your dream too, because if you get caught beating a kid and it’s the kid’s word against yours, you’re going to jail.

  • So, one girl is arrested, and they think that is going to stop all crime? Was she the Kaiser Soze of that group?

    • anon

      +1 on the reference

    • makingcommentsasiseefit

      no, but if you’re 12 and see your little 12 year old friend in handcuffs, it should sufficiently scare the sh*t out of you… so, let’s see if the incidents calm down a little

      • You are assuming that these girls are a part of a functional community in which assaulting people and being arrested are socially unacceptable. They aren’t.

      • I have to assume that these kids have seen other friends/ family members being arrested and that they have little to no respect for the police. In projects like this, that is far too often the norm.

        I’m with you in hoping it scares this group a bit, but I’d say we both agree more needs to be done. For the last few months, all of these kids have been able to get away with a lot, so they have to feel pretty invincible (like all kids).

        • Anonymous

          So many assumptions

  • kgw

    I began my life of crime at 4 yrs old (stealing candy in a store) and continued it until I was 11 yrs old after getting kicked off the school bus for bullying the bus driver. My parents and teachers were the source of correcting my wayward behavior. These girls are at the age where they need that parent, mentor, teacher, friends to guide them back to becoming law-abiding citizens. We know what will happen if they get into the DYRS system now.

  • Danii

    As resident of Bloomingdale, I find this behavior completely unacceptable- just as unacceptable as suburbia kids putting firecrackers in neighbor’s mailboxes, and just as unacceptable as drive by shootings like the one that happened recently. This is our community, regardless of when we purchased our home. OURS. This is NOT a gentrification issue, this is a community issue and deciding what sort of conduct we condone. We are responsible for what happens in our community. I do not want these kids to go to jail- what I do want is what everyone wants- to be able to walk the streets of our communities without fear. These kids need to see the error of their actions so that our community relationships improve, and our neighborhood can thrive. I know that their parents raised them better. Kids will be kids, yes, but it up to us adults, teachers, and mentors, to show our young people how to be good neighbors and citizens.

    • anonymous

      Nice work with the false equivalency. FYI putting firecrackers in a mailbox is destructive and obnoxious but it’s not the same thing as attacking people with whatever object you can get your hands on.

    • Destroying mailboxes is a federal offense that can carry fines of up to $250k and 3 years in jail.

  • Anonymous

    At the Gallery Place Metro today at about 8:25 there was a group of middle-school age African American kids that were spitting from the mezzanine onto the red line platform below. Anyone on this board get hit? I didn’t go in for a closer look, and so I cant be 100% sure saliva was actually coming out of their mouths, but based on their head movements, that’s what it looked like was going on.

    • Anonymous

      I was there around that time, and saw a couple of kids chase another one down to the yellow/green platform. Then proceeded to knock him to the ground and punch him. Luckily someone on the platform was able to break it up.

    • notpostingtooquickly

      your point? and what’s the point of detailing race?

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, I mean why even call them “kids”? Couldn’t you just call them “people”? Why make an issue of their age group?

    • Farnsworth

      Was this serious or a joke?

    • zero_sum

      I was at the Gallery Place metro stop a little before that and there were an inordinate number of African-American teenagers there. Like, way more than usual. Most of them were just hanging out, chatting, and listening to music on the platforms – nothing out of the ordinary. They must have been in the area for a field trip or something similar.

      I didn’t notice anyone spitting, but four of the teenage girls on my train decided to sit on the seats and stretch their legs across the bench (one girl per pair of seats). Old ladies with bags were standing right next to them and the girls wouldn’t move their legs or pair up. I was going to say something to the girls about not making room for the old women, but I was way too tired to get into a confrontation with them. The old ladies looked too scared to provoke the issue.

      Breaking news – kids are thoughtless, self-absorbed little sh#ts.
      (same as it ever was)

  • Anonymous

    “We expect that yesterday’s arrest will put an end to the behavior we have seen……” Who do you think you are kidding??!! These kids will be back on the street doing the same thing the day after you arrest them. The only way to “put an end” to this type of behavior is to put these kids in a detention center for about 2 years and not let them out. Our legal system in DC needs an overhaul.

  • Something similar, but less serious happened to me about ten days ago. I was walking home from Harris Teeter and I noticed three young boys (12? 13? maybe) behind me whispering and giggling. As I was crossing New York Avenue they ran up past me, all slapping me on the ass, and then turned around to knock the groceries out of my hands. I noticed they had all put on ski masks. They just ran away laughing. There was no way I could identify them so I didn’t call the police.

    • Anonymous

      I’m sorry this happened.

      But please do call the police, even if you can’t identify them. They need to know that these things are happening so they can make decisions about where to patrol, who/what to watch out for, etc.

    • washingtonian

      describing the clothing, height, weight, and location of crime committed helps the police nab serial offenders.

    • Anon


      I hate to be harsh, but if you’re not calling the cops, you’re part of the problem. It takes two minutes and may mean that someone else isn’t harassed in the future.

      • Anonymous

        While I agree that it’s worthwhile in principle to at least create a record of the incident for future reference, I can’t really blame someone for feeling like it’s hopeless and futile to report incidents like this, given some of the police responses that PoP readers have described when trying to report indecent exposure, flashing, and other crimes that certain officers appear to consider inconsequential. (But maybe I’m biased. I say all this as someone who had a man ease off the brake and 100% intentionally coast into me with his car–while he was stopped at a stop sign and while I was crossing in front of his car with completely unambiguous pedestrian right of way–in full view of and about 10 feet away from four MPD officers who couldn’t be bothered to unglue their butts from the side of their cruisers.)

  • untouchables

    She throws a grape, you throw an apple. She sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of hers to the morgue! That’s the Chicago way.

  • Anonymous

    Ahhhh, the sights and sounds of springtime in DC. Brace yourselves, it will get progressively worse throughout the summer.

  • Sydney

    Same block where I smiled and greeted a small group of male teenage LongTerm Residents. The reply by the eloquent head of the pack was:

    “Hi me m__f__. You white.”

    • Anonymous

      no teenager is a long term resident.

      • Anonymous

        get real. it’s true. and it’s everywhere in this city.

  • I think the encouragement school kids throughout DC are getting from lack of consequences through mob mentality is becoming a real problem. These kids can easily become anonymous through large groups and/or ski masks. Its a little difficult to implement, but ski mask use really needs to be forbidden (maybe perhaps in schools to prevent kids from carrying them). There is neither snow nor skiing in DC and its only used to facilitate crime and provides the feeling of invincibility to youth. Cracking down on arresting a couple of kids is definitely a good idea. The rest of the kids will surely find out and this will remind them that there ARE consequences to harrassing residents or attempted robbery. We need to deter this from happening again and again…

    • “ski mask use really needs to be forbidden”

      Please tell me I just missed the sarcasm in your post?

  • bb

    Crime is crime, no matter who does it or where it occurs. The root causes and solutions can be debated (and will be debated) endlessly, probably with no real impact.

  • lovessoldier

    I PROPOSE THAT EVERYONE THAT CARES ABOUT COMMUNITY (living together in unity) stop bitching about whats going on around you. Let’s set a date. I am a single black native dc resident that is tired of the bickering. We need our children, not to be incarcerated, but INTRODUCED and included in the conversation. All they see is WHITE people moving in and prices going up so far that ALL of the black people they know and love can no longer AFFORD to live in their HOMETOWN!!! Let’s form the New style Orange Hats. Let’s offer the kids something to DO in the summer, let’s organize. Stop stressing out the cops and do what OUR community has always done, IMPROVE!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Right, right…the sudden arrival of white people in “their” neighborhoods and rising prices are what is causing these kids to act in a borderline sociopathic way. Actually scratch “borderline.”

      Yes steps need to be taken to address the conditions that allow these kids to grow up with zero respect for anyone but in the meantime there are public safety issues that the city needs to address, and not in some laughable, pointless, wrist-slapping way. Arresting these kids in and of itself will accomplish nothing because they will be back roaming the streets again in no time.

      • washingtonian

        Stop typing on your computer and agree to help.

        I say Boundary Stone, tomorrow, 6pm. Who’s in?

        • lovessoldier

          I don’t get off until 6. Can we do a weekend? I have a model that I am willing to share with ANYONE. I don’t have kids so most nights are free. No interest in publicity/personal gain, my model can be tweeked. I LOVE my city, it pains me to see folks going through this. If we work together this would be great for other metro areas going through similar growing pains.

          • washingtonian

            sunday, 1pm?

      • anon

        +1 to Anonymous 2:38 p.m. and “Yes steps need to be taken to address the conditions that allow these kids to grow up with zero respect for anyone but in the meantime there are public safety issues that the city needs to address.”

  • excuses excuses

    What people like jack5 don’t realize, that most of us “gentrifiers” move here because this was a place where we could get a job, live, provide for our families. Not to judge people and have anybody kicked out of their homes. I would say that most of the “gentrifiers” had no exposure to groups of teens as the ones mentioned above. No exposure to DC city life. So like me they had no predjudice, no fustration, truthfully no experience and just an open mind. When you encounter situations like this, myself personaly about a dozen times on my bicycle in 10 years, you start to get sick of it. Not because your racist, or your predjudice, but because of your experiences with teens as these. And I say teens like these, because this has nothing to do with their skin colcr, but the way they act and handle themselves. You can’t keep looking to everybody else to support children and people like this. My partents, family, and community shaped me, they need to look within. And for me I’ll keep crossing the street, and using my experiences I have had in this city to keep me safe.

  • Anonymous

    I think most people are in favor of gov’t housing programs, but I believe they should be relegated to the lowest value sections of the city. For example, the projects in Paris are located way on the periphery of the city where land is cheapest.

    Many of the new residents that are paying significant sums of money to live next to core downtown DC do not appreciate subsidizing housing expenses for the poors, especially when they commit heinous crimes.

    I think everyone deserves a roof over their head, but I am totally against driving up real estate prices so project dwelling youths can have a shorter commute to kick my ass and rob my house:)

    • notpostingtooquickly

      what do you think Bloomingdale was??? seriously? when i was 13 (DC native here) I wasn’t allowed to work at the rec center (a job provided when Mayor Barry provided jobs for EVERY KID IN THE CITY during the summer months) because it was too dangerous! people got shot ALL THE TIME.. it wasn’t always big bear and rustik… it used to be HARDCORE

    • Translation – “I moved into a poor neighborhood with public housing and those poor people need to leave. I mean who do they think they are? Yeah, yeah, some might have been in this neighborhood long before I knew it existed, but don’t they know they’re preventing my house from becoming the gold mine I told all of my friends it would be? So get out of the way current residents, you’re no longer welcome.”

      And so many of the gentrifiers wonder why many long term residents of the city (of all colors) find them naive and arrogant?

    • Anonymous

      And look at how well that plan’s worked out for Paris.

  • lovessoldier

    Washingtonian-Works for me, do you want to do a post on here as a call for participants? Boundary Stone right?

  • NoProjects

    I live in Bloomingdale, am a white gentrifier — whatever that means — and agree with Jack that this is a racial and economic issue. Sadly though, the people who bear the brunt of the bad behavior by young black kids in housing projects are African-Americans. Although it may feel for Jack like justice to hear that a middle class white girl got a brick to the head by black teens, those same black teens are more than likely going to shoot and kill another black teen or get shot and killed by a black teen at some point. That’s a pretty hollow victory.

    • lovessoldier

      Let’s talk about why you feel that way. Meet us at Boundary Stone on Sunday @ 1. If they are going to grow up and kill themselves, you don’t think your children or family will be victims too? Let’s try and change the course of things while there is so much momentum…

      • NoProjects


        Why I feel what way? I’m expressing facts. As you may know, sociologists and social activists warned in the 1960s that projects were built to segregate African-Americans in a more socially-acceptable way.

        Personally, I think people should be ashamed at themselves for supporting in this day and age such things that have been proven to be so destructive. You should take a hard look at your own motivations.

        • anon

          Originally, housing projects were seen as progressive… but the current thinking is that extreme concentration of low-income individuals doesn’t benefit anyone, including the low-income individuals, and that mixed-income housing is a better social bet.

          I wish the city would tear down the public housing on Columbia between 13th and 14th and rebuild it as a mixed-income development. Three-story garden-style apartments in the middle of the city are not a good use of the available space. With much taller buildings, the area could accommodate everyone who’s there now as well as a large number of market-rate units.

          • Anon

            The Atlantic Cities has a great article that profiles DC projects and the impacts of their destruction on crime rates in an article called, “Where Does Crime Go After Public Housing Projects Are Demolished?” (Google it.) It points out that crime doesn’t just get dispersed when the projects are demolished, it actually goes down because the conditions that create the crime disappear. It’s kind of obvious, but many people are blind to the obvious.

  • aa

    Look the projects aren’t going anywhere. The next time some kids want to mess with you, blast ’em with pepper spray or a stun gun. Or hit ’em with a hammer.
    i know white, middle class folks aren’t used to that kind of violence, but if they’re supposed to just accept the fact that marauding kids will fuck with you, then me thinks the kids should accept the fact that they might get messed up if they try it.

    • Anon

      I understand your point, but it’s not true that the projects aren’t going anywhere. Many are actually privately owned and able to be torn down or converted. For example, the Lincoln II Westmoreland projects by the Shaw Library are going market rate in May. Also, the ones by O Street market were torn down a few years ago.

      What the advocates for the projects refuse to recognize is that everyone knows the crime is coming from these places and by refusing to acknowledge and address it — or blaming the crime on the victims, they’re building greater and greater support for getting rid of them.

    • Anonymous

      actually, violent middle class white folks are a big reason i left the suburbs. what you advocate is not a solution.

      • Anon

        You mean the ones blowing up mailboxes? BTW, I grew up in the suburbs, and I’ve never heard of anyone doing that.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah when I go up to my visit my parents in their quiet Bethesda neighborhood I often fear for my safety. Or, you know, not.

        • Anonymous

          thats wonderful that you had such a sweat innocent childhood. not everywhere is bethesda.

          • Anon

            Yea. You deserve to be beaten and robbed, because someone else had a bad childhood.

          • Anonymous

            who said that?

    • Anonymous

      I’m afraid I’ve reached this point as well. There should be a mass tazing of these little dirtbags…that might get their attention.

      Oh right, tasers are illegal in D.C., but these little monsters can assault me and nothing happens to them. Yeah, that seems fair.

      • Anonymous

        they are children. you do not fight violent children with violence.
        be an adult.

        • Anonymoose

          Correct. U lecture them on civility while they bash your head in and steal your property.

          • Anonymous

            it’s sad when even the adults think violence against children is the solution.

        • aa

          I’m pretty old school. Me and my friends was pricks as young teenagers, but it was well known if we tried physically messing with any of the older folks in the neighborhood, they would get a massive beat down. Lesson learning time.

  • jt

    Whatever bastion of ignorance you come from, you should go back there.

  • manimal

    what a stupid ass thing to say.

  • Anonymous

    The kids involved in the original post don’t live in the projects.

    • anon

      The police identified them as living on the 200 block of W NW. There is literally nothing on that block that is NOT subsidized housing. Maybe I’m not getting the point you are trying to make.

      • Anonymous

        Subsidized housing a project does not make.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not at all surprised at the snarky dcist and city paper stories about this. They’re pretty much just calling it kids harmlesly throwing fruit at panick stricken gentrifiers.

  • Anonymous

    Gentrification has no legitimate bearing on our obligations as citizens to obey criminal laws. Police need to arrest criminals, period. Citizens should help the police maintain public safety. Since the parents of the child criminals are evidently doing a miserable job, it would be great if citizens would mentor to fill in the gaps.

    • Anon

      Parents have to allow their kids to be mentored, and if you try to mentor a kid, he’s likely to shoot you in the head. Good luck w that.

  • Maryinthe202

    I think a helpful solution would be to place plainclothed police officers in the area — but have them actually WALK the beat. They’d quickly root out the problem. This will happen after someone is fatally injured by a pipe or flying brick.


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