Man Shot in Face During Robbery on 1300 Block of G St, NE Wed. Night

by Prince Of Petworth June 21, 2012 at 9:30 am 122 Comments

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MPD tweeted:

“1D/Shooting-Robbery/1300 G Street, NE/adult male shot in the face/conscious & breathing/lof 2-BM, 5-6, DK shirts & pants,dreads/4053”

Then issued a press release:

Yesterday evening, at approximately 11:30 pm, an adult individual was shot during a robbery. The incident occurred in the 1300 block of G street, NE. The victim is in stable condition. The look-out is as follows:

Suspect 1 – Black male; 5’8″ to 5’9″; wearing either a dark blue or black tee shirt.
Suspect 2 – Same look-out as suspect 1

One of the suspects had long braids in his hair.

First District detectives are vigorously working the case and we are unable to provide any additional information at this time.

Anyone with information about this case is asked to call the police at 202-727-9099 or 1-888-919-2746. Anonymous information may be submitted to the department’s TEXT TIP LINE by text messaging 50411.

Comments (122)

  1. Wow the crime around here is really scary, considering I lived 2 blocks away from here up until 2 months ago. Never felt unsafe there, but damn, I’m pretty glad I moved to a way safer and more boring part of town.

  2. I know, we were considering a lot of houses around here but I’m glad we settled on a smaller one near Eastern Market. Of course there’s no guarantees that this shooting robbery trend doesn’t move south.

  3. SE Cap Hill isn’t better. How do you feel walking around Potomac Gardens? B/t NE and SE it’s pick your poison, really.

  4. Who walks around Potomac gardens who doesn’t live there? Can’t equate eastern market with Potomac gardens.

  5. I’ve been working a couple blocks away from Potomac Gardens for six years now and I feel much safer walking around there than on H Street. Maybe it’s because I’m more used to it. Still, I haven’t heard of any recent violent crime there. I try to spend a lot of time on H Street, and I’d like to enjoy it as much as my own neighborhood, but I still feel more uneasy and on edge when I’m there. But yes, to some extent you’re picking your poison in whatever neighborhood you choose to live.

  6. @Anonymous (2:01) — if you’re gonna impugn all of H St. b/c of something that happens on 13th and G, then I think it’s fair to link Eastern Market and Potomac Gardens. And @Cap Hill SE — maybe nothing lately, but where do you think the perpetrators of the spate of face-punchings that happened last year lived? But crime happens in all corners of this city, so it’s admittedly a useless argument to have.

  7. Non: The difference is that a lot of the development on H Street, and especially a lot of the places people go to late at night, are concentrated around 13th Street. On the other hand, someone who lives near Eastern Market is unlikely to wander over to the Potomac Gardens area unless they’re going to the Harris Teeter.

  8. I live near here now but I’m moving next month. I can’t wait. I often feel unsafe walking home alone.

  9. If you don’t mind me asking, did anything ever happen to you that made you feel unsafe? I certainly felt uneasy most times, but nothing ever happened to me around there beyond some inappropriate comments from the hangers-around at the public housing there when I got off the X2.

  10. Yes. In January, I was either almost robbed or assaulted by someone wearing a mask. My first instinct was to run and it luckily turned out well. Recently, some pervert took a picture up my dress at the metro closest to my place. I’ve been taking a lot more cabs…when they aren’t being jerks and refusing to take me to my address (yes, I know that’s illegal and I do report them when I’m able to get their information).

  11. I live closer to NC Ave NE on 15th St but I sometimes walk a loop up to the Checkers and down 14th with my dog very early in the AM (today it was around 4:50-5 AM – don’t ask). I run into all kinds of people but most are polite and will say good morning (heck all the newspaper delivery guys know us). I never feel unsafe in the AM (but my dog is about 90 lbs and could be confused with a pit bull). Sometimes on evening walks…when there are large groups of teens hanging out….I will admit to feeling a little nervous. But I have never had an issue.

  12. I’m sorry to hear that. I may have just been lucky that nothing like that happened to me in the year I was there. I wouldn’t have been surprised though, if something had.

    @theheights- I guess in my mind there is a distinction between unsafe and uneasy feelings. The best way I would describe the difference, is that by never feeling “unsafe,” I never felt like there was impending or direct threats to my safety. However, when I felt regularly “uneasy,” I felt that there were lots of nefarious characters and behavior going on around the area, but that wouldn’t necessarily directly impact me. I befriended a cop in the neighborhood, and hearing his stories directly made me a little more nervous, knowing more than the average bear about the crime in the area. Sorry if that was confusing- this is the best way I can describe the difference in my wording.

  13. @ ew – Thanks. I appreciate the explanation.

  14. I’m confused. Above you say you never felt unsafe but then in a later comment you said that you felt uneasy most of the time. I’ve never been able to get a good feeling myself for what the crime situation on the H St. NE corridor is (apart from the dry statistics), so I’m genuinely curious.

  15. That’s exactly how I feel about H Street NE. I can’t say I’ve ever felt unsafe, but most of the time I’m a little uneasy walking around there.

  16. Wow, I live two blocks from here…

    Can the cops actually start getting out of their cars and/or having platoon like check points? I’d rather have a military state, a mere presence of which would keep these vermin in their ratholes, than being shot in the face… and maybe that shop owner on H St. would still be alive.. but no, lets keep subsidizing violent antisocial behavior.

    I always see cops seeing on street corners, texting, enjoyuing the AC, or like 20 bike cops all stopped together talking… it’s absurd.

    /simple city, USA

  17. Tried it. Illegal. As a matter of fact, they tried it a few blocks away.

    I take it you don’t live in “Simple City” but meant the US is simple.

  18. I’m confused, what are you saying is illegal?

    I do not see any reason they can’t have cops at every other corner in the area.

  19. Marcus Aurelius

    The illegal part would be the “platoon like check points”, if by “check point” you mean checking identification before allowing people to pass.
    Tried it in Trinidad – D.C. not the island – and it was ruled unconstitutional.

    Nothing illegal about cops standing on every corner, but don’t hold your breath waiting to see DC cops on foot patrol in any neighborhood.

  20. And Officers have a huge problem with the special red tape associated with arresting juveniles in this city. Our leaders have almost set up the perfect set of incentives for violent misbehavior with our young people. Extra red tape at arrest and next morning, weak prosecution of even known felonious acts, secret identities for repeat offenders, heck, even murder 2 gets you less than 15 years in this town. The DYRS travesty saga. And worse, clearly there is no shortage of guns in the hands of thugs.

  21. Is there any correlation between being shot during a robbery and the victim’s response as the robbery is taking place? Like are you more likely to get shot if you resist somehow or don’t have anything of value to give them?

  22. It’s going to be pretty hard to find a logical pattern to follow when engaging someone illogical enough to shoot you for a couple of bucks and some credit cards.

  23. I’ve wondered this myself. Probably depends on whether the robber is already agitated on drugs or not. In my head, In my head I know you’re just supposed to hand over what you got, but I would probably start backing away and try to run as an instinct which is probably not the best idea.

  24. rockcreekrunner

    if you’re handing over your wallet, phone, etc. throw it somewhere away from them. when they go to pick it up, run.

  25. I love this area but there does seem to be a real uptick in violent crime lately (not just related to summer, that I am used too…). Agree on needing more active foot patrols. 11:30 doesn’t even seem that late. Half my neighbors are walking their dogs at that time of night. Hope he makes a full recovery.

  26. Studies have shown that foot patrols do very little to reduce crime, and in fact may be a very ineffective way to battle it. Police can roll them out to improve residents’ PERCEPTION of safety, but that’s about it: a P.R. move. The crime rate won’t go down simply because beat cops are getting out of their cars.



  27. Sir you are mistaken. I’m a footbeat officer in DC and the stats regarding my last beat over a 2 year period compared to the previous two years are remarkably different.

  28. This works in nicely with the earlier conversation about feeling “uneasy” vs. “unsafe.” If fewer people feel uneasy because there are some cops walking around, then they will project confidence, making them less likely to become a victim of crime. This could also bring new residents into the neighborhood. I see no harm in adding to residents’ perception of safety as long as they don’t take it too far and start walking around waving their iphones in the air.

  29. Disillusioned liberal

    So can someone tell me why we should NOT reintroduce the death penalty in murder cases? I don’t buy into the “it makes us as bad as them” philosophy. In cases where the evidence is irrefutable and there’s no question about guilt, I’m failing to see why it’s wrong.

  30. Kill them after they’ve killed an innocent citizen? How about instead of widening the use of capital punishment we ban handguns and restrict the sale of ammo?
    A few kids died from Four Loco and that was pulled quickly yet we do nothing about handguns.
    I hope this victim makes a full recovery and these criminals are found quickly and justice is swift and severe.

  31. No one died from Four Loko; they died from being idiots and over drinking. Too much Vodka can kill you too. And there’s no excuse for the government banning a drink that consumers can chose to purchase or not. The fact you think the reason handguns need to be banned or more laws need to be passed show how out of touch you are. Here’s a newflash: CRIMINALS DON’T CARE ABOUT GUN LAWS. All you’re doing is keeping citizens from defending themselves.

  32. Criminals also don’t care about death penalty laws…so they don’t act as a deterrent.

  33. No, criminals don’t care about death penalty laws, but if you start executing criminals, then, one by one, you’ll be getting rid of this element of society. The hell of it is that people sit on death row for so long. I’m quite a liberal, but living in DC for several years, having my property vandalized, having shots fired on my street again and again, getting mugged, etc, etc, all makes me think that a kangeroo court followed by a firing squad would be just fine. It’s illogical, I know, but having lived among the city’s criminal element for so long, I’m tired of tolerating them and thinking about the rosie fixes. That being said, my logical side believes that it will take a generation or two of parent education and good schools to fix this city. Historian John Hope Franklin wrote a piece several years ago about how white flight led to the flight of black professionals from segregated black neighborhoods—they moved to the neighborhoods the whites had just left, such as DC’s 16th St “Gold Coast.” As a result, blacks who still lived in economically diverse neighborhoods suddenly had no professional role models, and were stuck with looking up to the tough kids with a will to power. Franklin’s view was that it went seriously down hill from there. Two (or more) generations later, this is where we are.

  34. Disillusioned liberal

    So you think the gun used in this crime was a legal one, andy2? Otherwise, your statement is meaningless in this context.

  35. Was the gun legal? Progably not when it was used last night. But when it rolled out of the factory it was legal. My point, and perhaps I’m “out of touch”, overly optomistic or too progressive but handguns cause a lot of harm to our society and thus they should be banned.

    Yes it will be tough but so was putting man on the moon or building an interstate highway system. It jut needs to be a priority. Sadly this kind of thinking is in the minority and people cling to teh 2nd ammendment like its some absolute truth. If we could reform the constitution to give woment the right to vote and count all people as full people then surely we could do this – just need the will.

  36. Andy2 you are clearly on a different planet. Of course the gun was illegal because in DC even if it was purchased by legal means you can’t carry it outside of your residency concealed on your person. Your definition of illegal and legal is perverted by fallacy only to justify your political leanings.

  37. Not sure why my comment about allowing people to carry got blocked on the thread about the pellet shooting, but I will try again.

    If we are allowed to carry or even conceal carry, violent crime would go down. Those planning on committing a crime may reconsider, knowing they aren’t the only ones carrying.

  38. real southerner

    gun control in dc is ineffective because you can always buy/steal a gun from someone in va. or buy a stolen gun. and criminals will always get guns because the black market supplies any demand for any item.

    the word is, department of employment services is improving. if we get our adult education, public schools, and drug rehab on the ball, then get some more effective juvenile justice alternative programs rolling, we’d see a dent in property crime, which is our main problem at the moment…murder is way down from previous highs, but the random thefts seem to keep rolling on…

  39. Do some research on U.S. gun control laws. The major ones are rooted in racism.

  40. There was an interesting article in the New York Times not long ago about two of the original supporters of reintroducing the death penalty in California having changed their minds:


    It sounded like they’d had a change of heart primarily for moral reasons… but the article also mentioned how the death penalty ends up being hugely expensive and cases spend decades mired in appeals.

    So, moral issues aside, it seems that the death penalty ends up being more expensive than sentencing people to life in prison, and isn’t very efficient as far as guaranteeing that people who are sentenced to death will actually be executed any time soon.

  41. Yes. I started a post about this, but realized that I would end up rambling on forever. The economic factor is the major reason I am against the death penalty, although it obviously would be about the worst thing in the world to spend years in prison and then be killed for something you didn’t do.

    That being said, I really hate the fact that we as a society have to pay to house, feed, and guard people who have NO chance of any kind of rehabilitation, and also serve as teachers to the younger generations of inmates who are going to get out in five years or so.

  42. Did anyone see Brian Williams’ story about how well they are taken care of on Death Row? 3 meals a day, free health care, playtime with “new friends”. Crazy stuff.

  43. yeah, the obvious solution is to commit crimes against humanity.

  44. If evidence really were irrefutable, and there really were no question of guilt, then I’d probably think differently. But as long as the possibility remains of executing an innocent person, I personally cannot support it.

  45. Disillusioned liberal

    Then we feel the same way. Like you, if there is some question of the guilt, then I favor erring on the side of caution. But when the guilt simply is not in question by a reasonable person, then I support the death penalty. If that is the criteria used to assign it, then maybe the decade long process of appeals and extraordinary expense that goes with it may be alleviated.

  46. What a terrible story. I hope the victim has a swift and complete recovery.

  47. This area has really improved but G Street and Maryland Avenue, for about a 2 block radius, still sees violent crime with alarming regularity. This is especially awful.

  48. I know most PoP commenters would much rather jump to ridiculous, alarmist conclusions than actually do even the tiniest bit of research (like, going to the easily findable crime map at DC.gov). But just so you all know:

    Violent crime within 1,000 feet of G Street and Maryland NE is DOWN 41 PERCENT when comparing this year to last year.

    For comparison’s sake, violent crime within 1,000 feet of 14th and Irving NW is UP 66 PERCENT over the same span.

    Why are the commenters here so incredibly ignorant about anything (crime, real estate) that has to do with the Hill or its surrounding neighborhoods? It’s baffling.

  49. Thank god we have people who are capable of doing some research, and then smugly informing the drooling commentariat about their findings. This collection of ignorami are so lucky to have you!

  50. Dude, I live one block from here. Thanks for your stats, but I have noticed A LOT of blog/newsworthy violent crimes at this intersection in the last 6-12 months… and by this I mean crimes like GETTING SHOT IN THE FACE.

  51. Do you think 5’6″ is full grown? I seriously doubt it. That means these were probably two kids. Two kids who apparently have nobody to tell them to stay inside at 11:30pm on a weeknight; nobody to tell them that robbing and stealing is worse possible way to get anything worth having; nobody to tell them that shooting a person in the face isn’t a game. This isn’t about good or bad teachers or a lack of jobs for kids. This is about a total breakdown at the family level. Nothing will change until that’s fixed.

  52. Yes, only kids and tall adults commit crimes.

  53. There is no “uptick” in violent crime near this address. Violent crime is down 10% year over year.

  54. Overall, yes. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t more serious in certain places at certain times.

  55. Ok, let me rephrase, within 1500 feet of this address, violent crime is down 10% YoY. So, thats the opposite of an “uptick”. Its called a decline.

    Crime still happens, just because you’re aware of it more often, doesnt make it more often.

  56. Anon X, you are, and always have been, an apologist for violent and antisocial behavior in Washington..

    /just saying, you clearly have an agenda.

  57. You are a fool and your nonsense comment deserves no response.

  58. Of the four homicides commited this month, three were in Capital Heights, within a three or four block radius. The other happened on H Street. Funny, I don’t see any neighborhood blog entries about the three in Capital Heights. Except on homicide.org.

  59. And I support his/her agenda: Getting people to stop conflating anecdotes with data, and to understand that an increase in news reports about something does not mean instances of that something have increased.

  60. Am going to agree with Anon X and say you are a fool.

    To make this kind of crappy comment based on words on a computer screen is just foolish. Violent crime has been down in DC for the last number of year. That is a fact. Making people aware of that is in no way apologist.

    Like someone said (maybe Anon X) just because we hear about these more than we may have before the advent of Twitter doesn’t mean there is more violent crime.

  61. Really. Tell that to the person who got shot in the face. It doesn’t matter if crime is down according to statistics. Many, many people are still getting hurt everyday and to me, that’s too much.

  62. Not to speak for Anon X, but it seems he (or she) was staying a statistical fact – that violent crime is not rising in that location(or in the city as a whole). I’m sure he was not disputing the fact that every violent crime is unacceptable.

  63. Thats right. Just because everyone moved into a neighborhood with crime, then realized theres crime, doesnt mean the crime went up. It means you moved into a neighborhood with crime.

    When crime goes down, its important to recognize that.

    All this sensationalized hyperbolic hysteria over the “uptick” in crime is so outrageous. People have been getting shot in the face for decades around there and you never gave a shit. NOW, fewer people are getting shot in the face and its a crisis. Getting shot in the face is bad, but realizing that it is getting better (relatively quickly, since typically major shifts takes decades and DC is accomplishing it far less time) is important. But, that doesnt fit into your narrative, does it?

    Did you move into DC completely ignorant to the crime rate? Or did you move in and expect that now you were there you would arrive like the baby jesus and vanquish the criminals from the city by your presence?

  64. This is the most insightful comment on this thread. Yes, incidents like this are horrible, but incidents like this are becoming increasingly rare. Unfortunately, the sky-is-falling mentality is the default option for most PoP commenters on these crime threads.

  65. Your anger is misplaced. You shouldn’t expect people who didn’t live here to have been outraged by the crime that was taking place.

    You should be angry at the people who lived here for not tackling it. The problem is that the long time residents, who have overwhelmingly been the victims of crime, are also overwhelmingly related to and supportive of the perps.

    But it’s easier to blame someone else.

  66. Preach on, brother! Sometimes the foolishness of the comments on this blog is truly frightening.

  67. +1

    I like this guy/gal.

  68. Marcus Aurelius

    That’s the problem with a lot of posts in this forum about crime. A broad statement is made about how bad a particular area is and the number of recently reported incidents, someone points out in response that in fact crime is lower in that area than it has been in the past, and that person is called an apologist. Acknowledging the severity of a crime while pointing out its rarity isn’t offering any apology, it’s offering some perspective. No, it does nothing for the victim of the crime but it does inform others of the real or imagined risks posed to them.

  69. It’s time for Death Wish style Charles Bronson vigilante justice.

  70. I hate to admit this, but I’m starting to get numb to these reports. Don’t get me wrong; I think they’re awful. But I’m not sure I can sustain daily shock and outrage, particularly since few people seem motivated enough to do anything more than complain.

  71. It’s hard to get any of these politicians to listen specifically because they are too busy getting hauled off to prison themselves.

  72. You’re basically saying that there is no point in contacting politicians cause they’re corrupt. The problem with this view is that it’s not true that all are corrupt. It also lets the politicians off the hook. If we don’t ask them for anything, how can we blame them for not giving us what we want? I’m unaware of any major push by DC citizens to get our elected officials to do something about crime. And, if there is a “something,” I think most of the “crime fighting” has been under the guise of more money for social services.

  73. After being a victim of a violent crime myself in this area I contacted the mayor and every member of council by both email and phone numerous times without any response. The only person who ever called me back was the 1st district Sergeant who himself was disgusted in the inability of his superiors to give him and his staff the tools they need to combat crime.

  74. real southerner

    relay the sergeant’s concern about lack of resources to the whole council and the mayor as well: complaints about resources is something they can actually respond to. follow up every two weeks until someone gives you a response. good luck.

  75. You must not have lived in DC in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s.

  76. Every time I see a story like this, I feel better and better about our recent decision to buy a house in Silver Spring/Takoma Park. I love you, DC, but you’re bringing me down.

    A healthy and speedy recovery to the victim. How awful.

  77. The crime may have taken place in DC, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the perps came from MD. Someday, you may regret your decision to move!

  78. Takoma Park is hardly teeming with criminals, so…. probably not.

  79. That is the grand illusion about Takoma Park, as I found out by living there in the late 90s. It really isn’t that far from Georgia Avenue. It looks pretty, but it still has a lot of proximity to crime, both from DC and PG.

  80. If I were to guess, these people came straight south from PG county, not Montgomery county. I doubt I’ll regret my decision, but thanks!

  81. That’s how I feel about moving to Arlington. I know a lot of people on here give people like me who move out shit, but I don’t currently have the resources to live somewhere safe or spend a ton of time and effort trying to help a neighborhood I’m going to move out of bc I rent.

  82. Big mistake. I moved to the burbs in early 1997 as a reaction to the ongoing gun violence that had given DC the name Murder Capital. A few years later, the city turned around considerably and I was miserable in the desolate suburbs with a hellish commute and ended up being forced by circumstance to either drive drunk in many situations or stay home in isolation. When I could take no more, the housing bubble happened and I could not afford to buy in DC. So I was stuck in FFX for another five years. Finally, I saw my chance and moved back to the city. I mad money off of the house I bought, but still think that moving to the burbs was the worst decision I ever made. I’m not leaving, and this situaion WILL be brought under control.

  83. Yeah, dude, moving to the burbs was the worst decision you ever made, not, ya know, driving drunk on “many occasions” because circumstance demanded it. Just ask my sister, who was permanently disabled by a drunk driver, and the many like her. Your move to the burbs was the WORST.

  84. +1. That offhand remark about driving drunk was shocking to me. Shocking.

  85. You are right, and I know it doesn’t help, but I am sorry. I was lucky enough not to hurt anyone. But I’m being honest, and not a hypocrite, like so many others. If being honest means that you will come and attack me, then so be it, I deserve it. But also, unlike so many people, I took radical steps to stop doing it. Vilifying people and this city won’t encourage others to do likewise.

  86. I know what you mean. Unless you happen to know someone that lives in the same shitty suburb you do and is willing to take turns being the designated driver, you can’t go out and have a drink when you live out in the suburbs. For better or for worse, a lot of social activity in the DC area revolves around drinking, so being unable to participate leads to a very isolating lifestyle, especially if you’re in your 20’s or 30’s and don’t have kids.

    Of course, I’m not counting places like Old Town or Clarendon that are walkable and have public transit.

  87. The one redeeming point to be pulled from this comment is that you regret it – a sentiment by no means expressed in your original post. But you think I attacked you in my response? That’s a little whiny. Someone like you nearly killed my sister, and ruined her life – in constant physical pain, with head injuries that have rendered her unable to work, and suspectible to psychological disorders. That’s an attack, friend, not some response on a blog.

  88. thank you. *claps*

  89. This may sound foolish, but bear with me here:

    I think the neighborhood is almost a victim of its own success. The homes are nicely tended to, problem/drug houses are few and far between, retail has thrived in the area, and lots of nice, diverse families abound. It lulls you into thinking that violent crime can’t or won’t happen here.

    I lived within a few blocks of here, and I saw the police blotter with the huge rash of robberies up and down the area between Maryland Ave and H Street, and yet I still would catch myself at night checking my phone, or not paying attention to my surroundings, because it looks and feels so safe, even when someone was mugged at gunpoint literally outside my front door late one night.

    Granted, I was never robbed and rarely did I even feel uneasy out late, but that’s probably more luck than anything else. It’s a shame, as that is easily my favorite neighborhood in the city, and I would’ve stayed forever had I not been priced out.

  90. You’re not off base at all. It all comes down to the fact that when people move into a crime-ridden neighborhood, fix up some homes, welcome bars and restaurants, they seem to assume that the basic problems that caused crime there have been solved. That is a naive view and more time living in DC will quickly disabuse those who hold it of that notion. Infill gentrification does not mean instant safety regardless of the number of trendy bars or of the prices of the homes. This is one of those times when overly-optimistic views can be literally dangerous.

  91. True dat but there’s a trade off to be made. People move into sketch neighborhoods, buy low, the place gentrifies over years, and they’re sitting on a $2 million property. The bigger the risk, the bigger the reward. It’s hard for people today to understand that Dupont Circle was scary, sketchy and risky in the 80s, and Logan was in the 90’s. At this rate, we’re gonna run out of sketch neighborhoods soon and those of average means who didn’t buy when it was possible will be out permanently.

  92. As if on cue, an example of naive over-optimism surfaces. Call me when you realize the profit from that $2 million dollar house or when DC runs out of bad areas. Ludicrous.

  93. Do you really want 100 gay men from Dupont and Logan to call you? Jesus, just go to Nellies.

    You may be angry that the city is changing and people are choosing to move out, but you’re not going to stop gentrification by trying to scare buyers away with silly rants online.

  94. Who’s trying to scare anyone? I’m just saying that gentrifiers moving into a neighborhood does not = safety. That’s reality. And as for Dupont, that’s great, but inapplicable to the discussion here. Just because one part of the city improved decades ago does not guarantee the same returns for another neighborhood at another time. It’s like the naïveté Olympics in here today.

  95. Denizen of Tenallytown

    Nothing about DC in the 80’s and 90’s is relevant to the past 7 to 10 years. You really think the 3 bedroom 2 bathroom reno flipper you bought two blocks north of Toki Underground is going to go for $2M (adjusted to today’s dollars) someday? Keep dreaming.

  96. The difference in relevance is the pace of gentrification then was slow. Now it’s on warp speed. Enjoy your future in the ghetto burb.

  97. I see no reason why in 10 years a lot of these neighborhoods west of the river will not have (adjusted to today’s dollars) million dollar + homes. Its not a huge reach since many bloomingdale and H street homes are going in excess of 700k now. The fundamentals of these neighborhoods are exceedingly strong: close proximity to downtown and nice housing stock. Look at Manhattan and San Francisco. Densification drove up property values. I think that will be amplified over the long term, especially because our suburbs are going to continue to be handicapped by congestion and extremely poor public transportation. Also, the government, legal industry, and contractor market isnt going to get smaller – at least not all 3 at the same time – there will always be a growing market for white collar jobs in DC.

    In 20 years, I really dont think urban crime in any city will be the way it is today. The suburbs are going to have a real problem on their hands though.

    DC is going to continue the trend we see today. Its not gentrification in the older sense of the word, the cities are being re-populated by professionals and higher income earners after being abandon in droves from the 50s onward. Its a complete sea change – gentrification, to me, indicates more localized and spotty.

    Cities were left to be inhabited by people who couldnt afford to move out and crime ran rampant because of budget constraints, corruption, and many other issues. That is reversing quickly.

    I’m sure one day cities will be decaying and abandoned again, but I think its pretty far off in the future.

  98. Yes, exactly! In the relatively short time I’ve been in the DC area I’ve seen the suburbs start to deteriorate while the city keeps getting better. There have been a few times recently were I went out to shopping centers in towns like Fairfax and Springfield– places that were flourishing 5-10 yeas ago– only to find them full of vacant storefronts. The only businesses that seem to be doing well are the ones that cater to the poor immigrant populations that have been expanding in those areas. The well-off professionals are spending their dollars in the city instead.

    One point that’s worth noting, however, is that a lot of government agencies and contractors are moving their operations out to the suburbs because DC is just too costly. That could slow down the flow of white collar workers into the city.

  99. Isn’t it a bit arrogant to assume that people who move into a dangerous neighborhood, and then demand to change it for the better, are naive? I think they deserve our thanks and encouragement.

  100. I remember when H St. really started changing and people were out/drunk in the street. I was like, don’t they realize they could get robbed/their head bashed in a block or two over? Them boys is waiting for yall, easy vics.

    I hate to say it like that but it is true. People are so naive and all about self that they don’t see what it really is. Paraphrasing an earlier commentor, we are here now so life is good and the violence doesn’t affect to us. Wrong. You just aren’t paying attention.

  101. To you that may seem naive. But maybe they know the risks but possess determination to reduce them, courage to tolerate them in the meantime, and optimism that that the neighborhood will, through the efforts of hundreds of others like them, become safer over time.

  102. how horrible. i hope a speedy recover to the victim.

  103. Every time when this happens, people will say “I am liberal but I hate these politicians who barely did anything…” Why the fuck people insist they have to be liberal?

    Virginia has much looser gun control–but why do I never feel so much unsafe walking among the poor in Va?

  104. Wow. You just havent been to the really urban poor parts of Virginia. Go to areas of Richmond and Norfolk and report back.

  105. Or just go to Woodbridge.

  106. Or parts of Alexandria. Also, there’s lots more Latino gang acitvity in VA than in DC.

  107. Poverty does not always equal violent crime- there are more factors at play (we can debate what they are). Mitchell County, Iowa saw its first murder since 1898 this year. Made up of poorer towns, this rural area seems to have avoided violent crime.

  108. I lived on H on the other side of Hech Mall – and moved because of the weekly shootings/gunshots. Not every gunshot could be associated with a crime, but just hearing it can be wearing. Also – I could not understand why the “long-term” residents wouldn’t embrace the improvements and contribute to them. Why not enjoy more bars/restaurants, nicely decorated H Street, new bus-stops, re-done parks etc. Look at the possibilities and the improvements! The constant littering is disappointing but will never end, and every couple of months someone would bust out the glass at the bus-stop – no reason. I lived on a nice block – but nearby, the malaise and watching what all my tax dollars were wasted on wore me out. BTW – shooting in the face is not that uncommon in this area. I can think of two in the past 12 months in Carver/Langston – one occurred a block from where I lived.

  109. With a good lawyer and depending on the evidence, someone who commits murder might get out of prison in three or four years – if they get caught.

    For armed robbery – 5 year mandatory minimum.

  110. Anon X,
    So you don’t see anything wrong with the fact that one woman was killed by gunfire on H St. last week, and one guy was shot in the face three blocks away this week? I’ve lived in this part of town for 3 years (and go on the DC crime map, etc.) and homicides and attempted murder aren’t normal for this area. And there are also too many robberies, assaults, etc.. in this vicinity as well. I realize it’s better than it used to be, but it’s still unaccpetable, and apologists like you do nothing to help the situation.

    Statistics aside, this is unacceptable, violent, antisocial behavior. Outrage is allowable. I’m sorry if this offends you and your statistics (“well, well…DC isn’t as violent as it used to be…”)

  111. Without you even saying it I could tell you have lived in the city for less that 5 years. T

    Those who have lived here a bit longer while not complacent, apologetic, or encouraging of crime realize that things have gotten better or someone like you would have never moved into the city/neighborhood at all because you would have perceived it as too scary.

    I think is a bit wrongheaded of you to assume Anon thinks there is “nothing wrong with the fact that one woman was killed by gunfire on H St. last week, and one guy was shot in the face three blocks away this week?” I have read all of their comments and haven’t gotten that impression at all.

  112. Glad I live in Cleveland Park now. I know it isn’t 100% crime free, but I never feel uneasy walking home at night.

    Compare that to when I lived on Harvard and 18th in Adams Morgan/Mount Pleasant? It’s wonderful! Every night walking back from work I felt nervous – didn’t matter if it was light out and six PM in the middle of the summer. That’s probably a result of getting robbed and beat up by three men just a few weeks after moving into the neighborhood, but I think anywhere that’s built up and within relatively proximity to bad areas of the city is just a danger zone.

    Call me crazy for not buying into the whole “live on H Street, it’s up and coming!” crowd, but I’d rather live somewhere with extremely low crime, even if it is farther removed from the city. Does a world of good to feel safe around your home and can’t for the life of me understand seeing a benefit to living in a neighborhood where you feel “uneasy” at all.

  113. A lot of that is perception. When I lived in Cleveland Park I was the victim of two minor crimes. I often felt less safe because it’s totally empty walking up Connecticut Ave at night. Don’t know what I would’ve done if I lived more than 20 feet of that main road.

  114. That’s understandable. My experience is that I’ve never seen one reason to feel unsafe in Cleveland Park in comparison to living in Adams Morgan where there were shady characters everywhere, many reports of robberies near me, and of course, the Friday & Saturday night crowds of drunks and people waiting to prey on them.

    I just don’t understand taking the risk of living in an area like that. Was so happy when I got out!

  115. Obviously there’s less crime in Cleveland Park. But, choosing a place to live, much like the rest of life, is a series of compromises.

    You cant have everything you want, no matter where you live or how much money you have.

  116. True.

    When it came down to it, I didn’t feel safe where I lived, and even though I could walk to work and there were tons of restaurants etc. there was nothing I hated more than looking over my shoulder everywhere. My safety and comfort is my number 1 priority so I’m glad I moved!

  117. i also share your empathy for the victim.

  118. what strikes me most about this post are the comments that have nothing to do with the victim, but people congratulating themselves for not living near here.

    yay you!

  119. This is so sad, I wish the victim a speedy recovery and will keep him in my prayers.

    If you talk to the police in this area they will tell you that a handful of kids between the ages of 14 and 17 are committing all of the violent crime here. They know exactly who they are, but cannot do anything about them because the prosecutors office doesn’t have time for muggings and petty crimes. If you want to easily identify who I’m talking about all you have to look for is the dumb looking bunch of kids who are always walking around with the half naked black girl with bright yellow hair. The one kid with shoulder length dreds who is always walking with her closely matches the LO the victim gave. I know for a fact he has a history of muggings down here. You will always see them walking between Florida and 14th and near the Crown gas station on Morse, they all live in Trinidad.

  120. Marcus Aurelius

    Interesting reading the different comments about how people are or should be “on guard” in certain areas. I’m on guard in every area I walk around in – whether it’s Capitol Hill or Cleveland Park or Anacostia. You never know what can happen or how quickly it can happen. You shouldn’t assume you are completely safe anywhere.

  121. Sounds like common sense to me.


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