“There is a movement brewing and it is about to get loud. DC will resist.”

dc-resistance

“Dear PoPville,

Wanted to share this banner drop from Dupont Circle. The residents of DC will not remain silent while the new administration brings in bigotry and climate change denial. We will not stand idly by and will instead resist, at every turn, hate speech, misogyny, racism, and xenophobia. We will protect our city’s residents from discrimination and deportation and we will not allow further damage to be done to the earth and her resources. There is a movement brewing and it is about to get loud. DC will resist.”

Thanks to all who emailed.

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220 Comment

  • Anonynon

    Easy to be a hater with no viable alternative.

  • The color scheme on that banner is . . . not well thought out.

    • Um the red reads “Trump is stupid”…

      • I know what the red reads. I hear it all the time – it’s a common refrain at my daughter’s elementary school, on the playground, among her and her friends. My point is that perhaps a “resistance movement” should make points a little more sophisticated than a bunch of 9 yos. Also, see below that HaileUnlikely and Friday Girl wrote.

    • In color theory, red and black is said to covey conflict (as in checkers).

  • Bad look to keep calling the other half of America stupid, especially from those of us in DC. It just furthers what they think about our city!

    • I do agree with this. I have an issue with protesters who are simply demeaning people who don’t agree with them (this goes for both sides of the aisle). I was watching a live stream of protesters in NYC who were chanting “New York Hates Trump” and…. it seemed really hypocritical.

      • Yeah, but Trump has lived his life in NYC, and New York has hated him for a long time.

        • I just saw that condo owners voted to remove Trump’s name from a few connected buildings he manages in NYC. That probably stings a little, especially since those are really nice condos

      • Anonynon

        +1 this is why dems lost….not accepting of any other views but their own and become more hateful then the republican, somehow….didn’t think that was possible.

    • Actually, about 26 percent of America, since 46 percent didn’t vote. And those 25 percent who did vote Trump? Sorry (not sorry) I have no problems calling them stupid. Actually, that might be the kindest thing I could cal them.

      • HaileUnlikely

        Here is the problem: the palpable disdain of us highly-educated urbanites for most of the rest of the country was very likely a major contributing factor in their getting so fired up to overthrow the D’s that they decided that overthrowing us arrogant urban liberal pricks was more important than having a person who is serious-minded, respectful of others, and generally competent as President. No matter how much you despise the people who voted for Trump, I fear that voicing not just your disagreement with their opinion but your disdain for them as people is a grave strategic error. It already gave us President Trump. We can’t afford to stubbornly refuse to learn anything from this.

        • At the same time, the fact that 61M predominantly rural, predominantly less educated “real Americans” decided it was more important to stick it to us urban liberal pricks than to elect someone who was “serious-minded, respectful of others, and generally competent” (who also happens to be racist, misogynistic, and downright unhinged)….does not make me want extend them an olive branch.
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          We are in for a few rough years. But I see two upsides to all this. First, Donald Trump got elected by making absurd promises to poor, working class whites. He can’t live up to those promises and is already back-peddling. That will cost him. Second, his coalition of older, whiter voters is demographically disadvantaged. Every year, hundreds of thousands of his supporters pass away, while millions of younger Americans become eligible to vote.

          • “First, Donald Trump got elected by making absurd promises to poor, working class whites. He can’t live up to those promises and is already back-peddling. That will cost him.”
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            That is the $64,000 question, isn’t it? You’d think that it would be the case . . . but the point (I think) Haile is making is that if democrats, progressives and liberals spend the next 4 years vilifying those poor and working class whites, calling them stupid, racist, ignorant rednecks, etc., it won’t really matter if they’re a little disappointed the President Trump hasn’t delivered on every campaign promise – they’ll have the alternative so much they’ll vote for him anyway.
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            Election aren’t about policies, they’re about psychology, just like every other human interaction. Policy informs it, sure, but it’s not the ultimate arbiter of who someone votes for.

          • HaileUnlikely

            dcd – yes, that was exactly my point.

          • YES! YES! YES! I tried having this explanation with my mom yesterday. No matter how much we don’t like Trump supporters or how dumb we think they are, their vote counts just as much as ours does. We have to live in this country together whether we like it or not. And if this election has shown us anything, it’s that reason and rationality have little bearing on political choices. What makes you think the people who supported an arrogant, ignorant, racist egomaniac to be the leader of the free world will all of a sudden use logic the next time an election rolls around?

          • Not for nothing, but the death of the Republican party has been predicted since Clinton on the view that changing demographics would cure all ills. First, while that shift has helped, it also has allowed my party to forget about a great many of the party that were its base since forever, and still make up huge voting numbers. We decry the white vote for electing Trump while at the same time relying on 95% of African Americans and 70% percent of the Latino and Hispanic vote to elect our representatives. Also it is worth noting, a great many minorities voted for Trump, so that universal block is not guaranteed. Second, while the demographic shift may give democrats the Presidency, democrats will continue to lose house, senate, and state seats. And frankly, look at how a blue President did when the rest of the government was red. Keep being dismissive, but I fear that consequences will be quite negative.

        • I Dont Get It

          Exactly!

        • And exactly how much empathy do Trump voters have for Muslims, for Mexicans, for black people, for women, for disabled people, for Jewish people, for every single category that Trump mocked, belittled, derided, and who now are threatened by his policies? Where is their empathy? Why am I expected to have empathy for a group of people who voted to deny the very humanity of all these groups of people?

          • “Why am I expected to have empathy…?”
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            Perhaps precisely because you’re not stupid?

          • Hillary/DNC lost this election in large part due to their apparent inability to empathize with the folks they needed to convince to vote D in order to win. DNC wrote off the middle-America “simpletons”, hoping that blue states would retain their historic affiliations, even though the past 8 years under Obama have done very little for them economically (many don’t fully understand ACA and many of those who do oppose it on various rational grounds). People are genuinely struggling, and the DNC didn’t sufficiently address those concerns, deeming them ultimately inconsequential. Turned out they weren’t. Empathy is of utmost importance if you want to manipulate people en masse.

          • Fine, don’t empathize. But don’t vilify either, if only because it’s bad electoral strategy, and losing sucks.

          • I worry about my family’s pocketbook too. I worry about my kids’ economic future too. But I didn’t cast my vote for someone who has promised to register an entire religion, or who had a white nationalist on his campaign – who is now an advisor in the white house by the way. His campaign was supported by the freaking KKK. If you voted for Trump in spite of those things, YOU are the one without any empathy.

          • anon – uh, okay? You want a cookie for not voting for a racist demagogue? You do realize that the people who voted in Trump aren’t commenting on this blog, right?

          • Anon, I proudly voted for Trump, am well-educated, upper-class, live in the District, and have a very stereotypical DC job. We exist.

          • My point stands: you may have voted for Trump, but assuming you voted in DC, your vote did absolutely zilch to get him elected.

        • So they were willing to risk the future of the entire country to make a point by electing someone completely unqualified for the position just to make a point… where is the part where their logic is not stupid?

          • What have the past 26 years done for the struggling middle-America folks who lost their manufacturing jobs and don’t have any real economic prospects to eek out a decent living? Not all that much, and this was under presumably smart, rational administrations. I genuinely don’t understand why people seem so utterly shocked at the election results. You’re not doing yourself much good by continuing to patronize American voters.

          • HaileUnlikely

            I agree with you that their logic is what we might legitimately regard as “stupid,” but I ask you now, where has calling them stupid gotten us so far? Do you think our lot will improve if we continue to call them stupid? Is that our best path forward?

          • What has the middle-America folks done for themselves over the last 26 years? How do these people get to argue that they don’t want the government meddling in their lives and also say that their pissed the government didn’t meddle in their lives? How about go to school? There are so many opportunities to get an education online from your home. It’s expensive, but there was also a party willing to help on that front. There are emerging technologies that need people, but yes, there are sacrifices that need to be made. Overall I think it’s irresponsible and a fallacy to let people think that America isn’t changing, because it has and will continue to do so.
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            Generally, though, I’m just still trying to process. I hope if anything I’m demonstrating how conflicted, emphatic, and in love with this country I am.

          • kanon – I was simply explaining the dynamic. You can implore those who turned on the dems all you want, but that’s just more patronization that clearly won’t help the dem cause.

          • Yep Kanon,
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            I’m a little (lot) tired of people whining that the government isn’t doing enough to give them good jobs, etc. At some point, you have to take it upon yourself to go get a good job. It might require you to sacrifice, and it might mean that you don’t get to follow in the family tradition of being a coal miner or auto manufacturer because clean energy and foreign factories put your local industries out of business. Too bad. It’s not the government’s job to ignore climate change and keep the local coal mine open so you can have the job your daddy did.
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            I grew up in a small rural town in Illinois. Many of my school friends are still in the same area. I would bet many of them voted for Trump, as they aren’t happy with the way their life has gone. I on the other hand, went to college after high school and paid for it with student loans. When I was about to graduate, and the economy sucked, I enlisted in the Army so my loans could get paid and I would have a job. Several years later I put myself through law school with student loans (yes, many government backed). I graduated with about $140k in debt and have been paying it off for the last 10 years. Never once have I said, why isn’t the government doing more to help me? Sometimes you have to get off your ass and help yourself. I could still be sitting in my rural hometown whining about the lack of job prospects. But I’m not. Fuck Donald Trump.

          • Though, the “how about go to school” comment comes off incredibly obtuse. I really hope you don’t work anywhere close to the DNC, else we’ll see Trump for 8 full years.

          • anon – you can be tired all you want, but that won’t make the slightest difference on the voters who voted in Trump. This isn’t about you.

          • I think “obtuse” is really the right word here. Yes, education is key, especially for younger people. However, telling an older working class that they need to go back to school isn’t only not feasible, it also might be financial suicide. Please people, watch Michael Moore’s 45 minute segment on Morning Joe to understand the other side. (full disclosure, I live in a very small bubble, and it helped)

        • I agree and disagree, and the scale tips differently throughout each day as I process this election. This is a very difficult road to navigate. And, yes, there is a clear divide and seems like both sides disdain each other. I think for many people, myself included, it feels very uncomfortable to be told to empathize with people who don’t appear to have demonstrated empathy for other people (and arguably, us), and to many of us, have actively demonstrated the very opposite of empathy for other people. It also feels like we are constantly asked to be the “bigger” person and it’s exhausting, particularly after such a stinging defeat. So, it’s not easy, and I’m not sure chastising people for chastising people is an effective way to help us get to this place.

        • Very well said Haile

        • Yeah, but that inability to vote for policy rather than personality, even when the policy is directly detrimental to their working and middle class’s interests, IS what makes one a stupid voter.

          • HaileUnlikely

            I agree with you, anon. However, I think it’s stupid to call them stupid. Look, we were calling them stupid for reasons to Trump long before Trump had ever even entered the race. And they showed us how stupid they are, by successfully getting their candidate elected over ours. That didn’t work so great for us, now, did it?

          • HaileUnlikely

            Sorry, omitted a key word. Meant to say “we were calling them stupid for reasons *unrelated* to Trump long before…”

      • i hate to tell you this, but the 46 percent who didn’t vote should be counted as de facto voters for whoever won. in this case, trump. if you don’t vote, you’re really just giving your power to someone else to make the decision — the power doesn’t disappear. you might as well call the 46 percent stupid too. so, now you’re up to about 3/4 of the country that is stupid. that’s not a recipe for winning elections.

        • HaileUnlikely

          I wouldn’t take it that far. Turnout is always a lot lower in states that are known well in advance to be not even remotely close. Momentarily ignoring down-ballot candidates, and momentarily ignoring ideals of civic duty or whatever, not voting in California is a fundamentally different thing than not voting in Pennsylvania. And given how the system works, I think it would be most fair to count people who didn’t vote as de facto votes for whoever won *their state.* (Admittedly not perfect, not even very good for that matter, but more sensible than counting a California voter who stayed home as a de facto vote for Trump).

          • One could argue that not voting in the vast number of states that “don’t matter,” i.e. much of anything outside Ohio, Florida, Michigan, etc. is a more rational choice, since no matter how big the popular vote margin is in NY or CA, it’s not going to influence the election. We need to go to a straight popular vote system and start having true national elections. The system we have now is always going to let a relatively small number of rural Americans control everything. And they shouldn’t. Having grown up in various rural and small town areas, some economically well off and some not, I know these people, and I also have lived my adult life in “snobby elite east coast cities.” The people who spend their lives in rural areas are not usually very broad minded because they never leave the area they were born in, keep interacting with the same people they’ve known all their lives (not just the same race and class, the SAME INDIVIDUALS), and genuinely can’t relate to anyone different from them. It’s not because they’re poor (a lot of the ones I know aren’t); they just don’t want to go anywhere. I know people who live a 1.5 hour drive from Philadelphia who haven’t gone there in DECADES. They own multiple cars, the train from there costs 15 bucks each way, they just don’t want to go. They’re not necessarily bad people, they just have a very limited worldview that primarily extends to people who are just like them, and they fear and judge outsiders. For all the flaws of people in cities, most of them have to interact with a variety of different types of people every day, even if they stay within the city, and that leads to a broader, more tolerant perspective.

      • I wonder if you would apply this kind of analysis to other people as well? Like, what motivated Al Qaeda to attack the US? They’re stupid. Why did many Colombians support a violent insurgency like the FARC? They’re stupid. Why did many Cubans support a communist revolution? They’re stupid. Why do so many Russians support Putin? They’re stupid.
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        This dismissiveness is appalling and self-defeating. Personally I’ve been trying to read as much as I can the last week about Trump voters and what motivated them. It actually doesn’t seem to lend itself to a simple narrative! For example today’s Washington Post has quotes from 27 Trump voters about what motivated them, and two of the 27 are Muslim Turkish immigrants — go figure.
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        Compounding the error, in my opinion, is protesting Trump just for winning or existing. Seems like a surefire way to alienate otherwise persuadable people and have people tune you out. Save the outrage for after he’s president and actually doing bad things. I doubt we’ll have to wait long.

      • What’s more important, engaging in a pointless verbal pissing match with Trump supporters and insulting them or putting time and effort into winning elections in 2018 and 2020? (That’s called a rhetorical question because we already know the answer.)

    • Anonynon

      Agreed. But the liberal mind-set is the only acceptable mind set, and all others are wrong, stupid and racist. It is also pretty sad that 93% of DC voted Hillary, just shows how homogenous our area is. And I’m not saying y’all gotta vote trump! There were other candidates….progressives even.

      • Actually 93% of DC didn’t vote for Hillary. 91% of those that voted in the election did. This comes out to less than half of the DC population.

    • Don’t they just believe everything they read anyway?

  • I’m sure Trump is shaking in his boots at this resistance. Give me a break. I’m all for community activism but whoever is sending out this “message” is trying way too hard to sound like the due from V for Vendetta. Great movie, btw. Any other good movies about movements? Soylent Green perhaps? Might have spelled that wrong. Wouldn’t mind getting a top 10 list together given what we have to deal with currently.

  • LOL. This banner simply reinforces how out of touch most of those living inside the DC bubble are with the rest of America (as if Hillary winning 93% of the votes in DC wasn’t proof enough).

    • I would say it shows that people in Washington DC are IN TOUCH with the majority of voters…i.e. those that opposed Donald Trump.

    • I disagree, especially since the election was so close. If anything, it reinforces the idea that cities tend to lean democrat. Also, worthwhile to note that so many people who live in DC are actually from other parts of the country….

      • considering she won the popular vote by about a million votes, i dont know if this is exactly a true statement.

        • You do know that roughly three million votes in this election were cast by illegal immigrants, according to anti-voter fraud organizations, right? I wonder who they all voted for; if you factor them out — they should never have been allowed to vote in the first place — Trump wins the popular vote. Go figure.

          • By definition if you are getting your “information” from “anti-voter fraud organizations” it’s complete BS. It’s been proven repeatedly that we don’t actually have a voter fraud problem in this country. One study came up with 31 possible voter fraud cases out of 1 BILLION votes cast between 2000 and 2014. Oh and one other thing….how would these so-called organizations even come up with that number? Besides completely making it up, that is?

          • Oh for heaven’s sake. Read some real news sources.

      • HaileUnlikely

        A cynical reframing of the same basic idea is that liberals from around the country all move to a few big cities to experience the joy of being surrounded by like-minded people, thereby draining liberal points of view from most of the non-urban non-coastal parts of the country (i.e., most of the country) and also causing them to lose touch with people who have different perspectives.
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        To be clear, I voted for Hillary Clinton and am thoroughly disgusted by Donald Trump, but I fear that all aspects of the above likely played a significant role in bringing about the existence of President Trump.

        • “but I fear that all aspects of the above likely played a significant role in bringing about the existence of President Trump”. Yes, it certainly did. And still the anti-Trump contingency doesn’t get it. Their shrieking, hate speech, intolerance, name-calling, and demonizing of everyone who thinks differently from themselves is EXACTLY what the Trump voters (note I did not say “supporters”) rebelled against.

          • Yes, and they’re not doing themselves any favor with the working class white vote that they lost with these acts over the last few days. You know, a big portion of the population the democratic party used to represent. But let this elite element of the party keep speaking for you – the ones seen crying, screaming, and getting exempted from exams because they “just can’t handle the emotional distress,” and the democratic party will never get these voters back.

          • Trump voters = Trump supporters. There’s no convenient distinction that will absolve anyone who voted for him from the responsibility of what the next four years will bring. I assume those who voted for him are just fine with that anyway, since they liked what they saw. Anyone who voted for him out of protest, to “rebel,” etc. still supported him in the end and made him President . It remains to be seen whether there will really be any insanity or if he’ll just be focused on enriching his family, but if he somehow does end up doing any of the crazier things he promised then a Trump vote made that happen and folks just need to own it.

        • I think it cuts both ways, though. As someone who has lived all over the south, many of the people I met had never been that far out of their county, much less state, thereby preventing themselves from coming in to contact with people from different backgrounds with different perspectives. I think that people, regardless of their background or demographics or home state, should make a basic effort to understand the different people in this country, and by and large I think liberals do that significantly better than conservative (speaking with a broad brush).
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          And, a different slice: just because many of the people who voted for HRC didn’t cater to the white working class doesn’t make them out of touch with the rest of the country, just out of touch with that specific demographic, which is neither oppressed or the growing demographic of this country, but did happen to be the majority of those who voted in the states that matter.

          • HaileUnlikely

            No disagreement there. I was just point out that the facts that “cities tend to lean Democrat” and “so many people who live in DC are actually from other parts of the country” makes this a place that many of us find relatively pleasant to live, but the phenomena that have led it to be that way is not without any downside.
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            I take your point with respect to liberals vs conservatives making a greater effort to understand different people, and my experience suggests the same, but I think a lot of that difference is due to confounding influences related to education and geography.

        • Why is it ONLY on us to reach out to those in rural parts of the country!??! So sick of hearing this. I moved out of my hometown because it was not for me, not just because it’s full of republicans, but because I don’t enjoy 2 hour commutes each way. I still go back all the time and I talk to my parents neighbors. I listened to my fucking neighbor complain to my Chinese wife about all the students from China in his daughter’s boarding school! We listened, tried to be open minded, we tried to understand where he was coming from, but at the end of the day he sounded pretty damn racist and not too open minded as to why parents in China might send their kids to a boarding school. As Kanon mentioned, those people insulate themselves as much as we do. Both sides need to have a little more empathy.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Not the point.

          • HaileUnlikely

            To expand upon my previous terse response to your obviously angry but also well-reasoned post, I don’t think it’s *only* on “us” to reach out to “them.” My point is simply that our not doing so is likely to continue to result in our losing elections and then standing around scratching our heads and asking ourselves what the hell just happened and being rightfully angry and dismayed but losing just the same.

          • Not meant to be angry at you, but everyone else that keeps saying this. And if the city folk reach out to the rural folk, but the rural folk never bother to do the same then what happens? I’d say the same thing. Perhaps we won’t be as surprised at the result. And FWIW, I saw this coming because I saw the Trump signs all over the neighborhood I grew up and all the Trump posts on FB. And I didn’t even grow up in an area that is suffering. It’s a far-flung Northern Va suburb.

          • HaileUnlikely

            I realize that your comment was not intended to direct anger at me – all good. Final comment from me on this – I don’t just mean that it’s only or even mainly on liberal private citizens. However, I think it would be fair to say that the anointed leaders of the current iteration of the Democratic party, as well as the staff that they have hired and volunteers that they have recruited, are drawn from a population that either never been to ugly middle America or who fled from there to liberal paradise a long time ago and never looked back, and I believe that led to a series of grave strategic errors that cost us the election.

          • I don’t think it’s about empathy (though I don’t think that’s ever a bad thing). I do think however that it’s risky to be dismissive of this population and just take a “you’re wrong, I’m right” approach. We still have to share our country with them, and they have the same right to vote that we do. If we want our side and our values to win, we can’t dismiss Trump supporters. We can’t just console ourselves that we’re smarter, wiser, more worldly or whatever. We have to figure out a way to appeal to them, to engage with them rather than talk down at them. That’s the only way they’re ever going to feel represented by the Democratic Party or the left generally, and it’s the only way they’re going to recognize that the policies we’re selling are going to benefit them.

          • “Why is it ONLY on us to reach out to those in rural parts of the country!??!”

            Because you lost.

      • You mean they are from all over the World.

        • Yes, but the rest of America was what Publius said we didn’t understand. I think many of us do, since we grew up in those other cities, other rural areas, other coasts, etc., so that’s what I was addressing.

      • “Also, worthwhile to note that so many people who live in DC are actually from other parts of the country….”
        I’m kind of conflicted on this, being from a rural area with blue-collar on one side and farmers on the other. I’m getting a bit tired of being called upon to “understand” some of the Trump supporters side. I “understand” that cultural milieu pretty well, which is why I get the [email protected] out as fast as I could. I try to be patient and listen to people, but I’m not the one who’s living in a bubble.

        • We have to “understand” their side if we ever want to get their votes and ultimately put people in power who is going to represent our views and further the kinds of policies we support.

        • Also worth pointing out that the majority of this country’s population now lives in and around cities. Rural areas are emptying out, which is part of why there are no more jobs and opportunity there (vicious cycle, people leave because there aren’t jobs, it gets emptier, etc.) Cities aren’t all educated snobby latte drinkers. DC might be an exception in terms of being more highly educated, among the class that comments on DC-focused blogs, anyway. But here there are also a ton of educated professional Republicans. I know plenty of Republicans and libertarians here. Most of them don’t live in the city proper which is probably why the city went so heavily for the Dems, but they’re still here and having an influence. To write off cities as just full of elites is to misrepresent who actually lives in cities – plenty of less-educated and not rich people even here, and most of them vote Democrat.

    • If being out of touch means being against an asshole narcissist who wants to use Japanese internment as a precedent supporting his actions against Muslims, wants to institutionalize and deport millions, and uses Putin as an icon for how to govern as a strongman, count me in.

      The banner is stupid and certainly climate change denial isn’t my #2 largest grievance with the Trump bafoonery, but 93% of DC voters voting for Hillary just shows that the city most informed and qualified to speak on issues of public policy and foreign policy rejected this clown wholeheartedly. The trumpies are the ones out of touch.

      • “but 93% of DC voters voting for Hillary just shows that the city most informed and qualified to speak on issues of public policy and foreign policy rejected this clown wholeheartedly. ”

        Or, with the most to lose when a non-Dem takes over promising to “drain the swamp.” Also, I doubt the vast number of low SES Dem voters in DC are the “most informed on issues of public policy.”

        • Of course Donald has proven he has no interest in “draining the swamp,” given both his sparse policy proposals and the composition of both his transition team/likely administration. I have no doubt, in fact, that Donald and his family will do everything they can to enrich themselves at the expense of the American people, because that’s how grifters operate, thereby not draining the swamp, but wallowing in it.

        • Eh, not really. Trump got like less than 1/3 of the registered R’s in DC. He got a total of 17% of the vote in the greater DC area. For sure, there are people who are worried about their jobs, but not that many in the region are actually part of the “swamp.” I’d say much more are in the defense sector which stands to benefit from a Trump administration, and yet they still find him unfit. And given that DC is the seat of all three branches of government which make, implement, and adjudicate public policy, then I’d say the institutional knowledge represented in this region is by far and large the collectively most informed on public policy, although certainly not the end all be all.

    • HRC was ahead in the popular vote last I saw. So maybe you mean less than half the nation not the “rest”.

    • What does it have to do with America, write large? The banner was about DC.

  • Once again why DC will never become a state.

  • I don’t know what’s going to be worse over the next four years: witnessing a vulgar, unqualified buffoon in the Oval Office, or listening to the navel-gazing shrieking from SJWs.

    • Ahh, was wondering how far down I’d have to scroll for an “above it all” reaction from someone who apparently won’t be affected by Trump’s insane proposals.

      • (1) You know nothing about me (2) I’m not sure Trump has any idea what his proposals are yet (3) if any of his over-the-top nonsense from the campaign makes it into his proposals, they’re not likely to become law. I’m more worried about the fact that he’s unstable, ignorant, and thinks he knows everything.

    • Again, with the false equivalence bullshit.
      Trump may well take away your health insurance, let your infrastructure crumble, and deport your friends. But god forbid your precious shell-pink ears be assaulted by concerned people voicing concern.

    • I don’t think you understand what navel-gazing means. Navel-gazing on the left is when we devolve into playing the “oppression olympics” and start attacking each other for not being more PC than the the person to our left instead of focusing on the actual racists, homophobes, misogynists, etc. in the world. This is exactly the opposite. Our attention is finally focused on where it should be, and I hope we can stay united to fight back against the evil that the new administration will bring to DC.

      • @MCR. No, I meant what I said. If your “fight against the evil” is limited to squawking on Facebook or Twitter, putting up pointless signs, or reposting some article from a leftist blogger, you’re mainly doing it to validate yourself and strike a “more righteous than thou” pose before all of your equally annoying friends. If you are getting civically engaged, registering voters, writing letters to your reps,, etc., then you are not who I was referring to.

        • Agreed. The readership of all these tumblrinas is restricted to their own kind so it just creates a never-ending self-reinforcing loop. They keep hammering the same people without actually getting out and engaging voters with opposing views

  • Nasty, threatening attitude, immature antics, and hypocritical to preach to anyone about “hate speech” and “intolerance”. Disgusting.

  • This is embarrassing. All you’re doing is convincing Trump voters that they made the right decision. It was a democratic, fair election. Accept it and get on with your life.

    • He appointed a white nationalist to a senior WH post this week. An ongoing movement that says “this isn’t normal” seems helpful to me…

    • How exactly is it democratic and fair that the person that won the popular vote but a wide margin isn’t actually the person taking office?

      • For the love of God, drop this. These rules have been in the owner’s manual for the country since the very freakin’ beginning. You can believe that it isn’t the best system, that the electoral college is an anachronism best left on the dustbin of history, and that in your opinion should be changed (and I would generally agree with that), but complaining that it isn’t fair make you seem at best uninformed, and at worst like a . . . well, the forum rules prevent me from spelling that out.

        • Where did I complain it wasn’t fair? I was literally asking Just A Guy his opinion on what makes winning the electoral college a democratic and fair election when it’s clear from the popular vote margin who the voters wanted to win.

      • @also anon – Why don’t you actually educate yourself on the electoral college and its purpose, and also educate yourself on what happens when large countries elect leaders only by popular vote.

        • @KPS, please educate us?

        • The purpose of the electoral college was to give power to the slave owning states. Southern states would have been dominated by the popular vote (more *white* people lived in the North), but because of the 3/5ths compromise they were able to count their *non-voting* slave population towards their electoral votes, ensuring that their interest would prevail as long as they continue to breed and own slaves.

          • Get’s me all choked up and patriotic everytime.

          • @KPS please chime in whenever you’re ready.

          • @caphillnative. That’s one theory historians have, but others strenuously disagree. In any event, the electoral college also helped end slavery, because Lincoln lost the popular vote but ended up in office because of it. Southern slaveholders realized the electoral college was actually bound to produce northern anti-slavery presidents, and it played a part in the decision to secede.

          • @anon so what is your “theory” on the 3/5ths compromise being in our constitution to begin with? “The population of slaves would be counted as three-fifths in total when apportioning Representatives, as well as Presidential electors and taxes.” This is not up for debate and not a theory.

          • @anon
            Hate to break it to you but Lincoln won a plurality of the popular vote in 1860.

          • Maybe anon combined the Southern/Northern democrat vote. It was an interesting election to be sure

    • Accepting that someone got a job and will have the benefits that go along with it is not incompatible with refusing to support that same individual’s racism, misogyny and anti-American proposals to shred our Constitution.

    • I don’t recall those same voters saying that Obama won’t two democratic fair elections and thus should not be challenged by those with dissenting viewpoints…
      .
      Treating President-Elect Trump as just another elected representative of the people also downplays the racist and reactionary rhetoric of the campaign. He’s appointed a white nationalist as chief strategist; directly challenged the first amendment protections of the press, speech, and assembly; advocated a foreign policy and military strategy that is directly contrary to the Geneva Conventions.

      • since when the geneva conventions prevented this country from doing anything? Neither GWB nor Obama closed Gitmo, Obama is droning people all over the Mid East, the US never ratified the sub munition ban treaty and so on and so forth
        Amazing how selective outrage and memory can be

    • @Just A Guy – Couldn’t agree more. One can’t claim to want democracy and then throw tantrums in the streets when democracy nets results one doesn’t like. Every single election brings elation and disappointment. Every single one.

      • Remind me, which side was yelling about how the election was going to be rigged, and how they wouldn’t accept the result…?
        Was it the side that’s now all “Hey, that’s democracy, just accept it”?

        • Remind me, which side mocked the other for warning about rigged elections, and was like, “look at what a sore loser he is already!”?

          Was it the side that’s now all, “but…but…HEY! She won the popular vote! Not my President! We demand a recount! Heyyyyyy!”?

          ….but that’s none of my business…..

      • I seem to recall horrific displays of racism throughout the country following the election of Obama in 2008. One could also call those “tantrums in the streets when democracy nets results one doesn’t like.”

  • Ugh, what a great way to put a target on our backs for Congress to fire away at.

  • I’m curious – when will the mayor join in with other mayors to make sure DC stays a sanctuary city?

  • Can’t wait to Make America Great Again. Rooting for Trump.

  • Any idea what this movement is? Trump is the President so perhaps maybe the movement is to bring a voice and awareness to the President and his cabinet as far as policies that could negatively affect DC Residents. Anyone have any insight on this movement?

    • Another classic protest or “movement” that is all talk and no substance. Sour Grapes for these people.

      • People have to come with an agenda. That is my biggest gripe with the Black Lives Matter Movement. Awareness is good but what is your agenda? What are you proposing and looking to accomplish. Blacs like to beat up Obama saying that he didnt do anything specifically for black people but what agenda was presented to him to fulfill. The LGBT community pushed for marriage equality and got it. Marijuana advocates put their money together to push their agenda and got it. I am all for voicing your opinion but you have to put forth an agenda. Whoever posted this banner, needs to create another one with the agenda that he/she is looking to maintain or have enacted. That would be a good follow up imo.

        • I agree with you. BLM originally looked promising but now it’s a mess and they completely lack direction. I’m not even sure anyone involved with BLM knows exactly what they are pushing for anymore.
          LGBT did a great job pushing their agenda. I commend them for their organization and they earned their rights- ridiculous that they had to do that in the first place but I’m very happy they accomplished it.
          Also agree with the marijuana advocates (I love weed) doing a good job.
          These “protests” and “movements” regarding the election are embarrassing. Protesting democracy is just a terrible look. Not to mention they lose ALL credibility when so many of them didn’t even vote. Out of the 122 Portland protestors who were arrested, only 25 of them voted! 25!! You can’t make this stuff up man. It’s an absolute joke. Like I have said, I’m all for community activism- form support groups, arrange meetings, go to dinners and talk it out, show genuine love and appreciation for one another. This #DCResistance is a complete sham- and I’m sure the people who are behind it are absolute tools. Sorry to sound harsh but thems just the breaks.

        • Maybe they do have an agenda? The sign just seems like a rallying cry and maybe a prequel of other things to come . I’m hoping these people are just taking first steps to raise awareness and build solidarity , since we really do need to bring DC residents together to protect our communities and fight back against those who want to roll back all the progress we’ve made in this town in recent years . Don’t hate, cooperate

          • Not hating at all. I just hope that they do have an agenda. The student loan thing that someone mentioned before is kinda scary. I would get behind that. I dont recall all of the details but I didn’t like what I read about it a few days ago.

        • “#BlackLivesMatter is working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically and intentionally targeted for demise.” That was found in 5 seconds on their website where they explicitly detail what they stand for and what their agenda is. Their website is exactly what you think it would be, which means not hard to find. If a protest promotes awareness then when someone questions their agenda it should be easy enough to find, it is. Black Lives Mater is for body cameras, restorative justice, police accountability, and the value of black lives. Without the amplification of the daily injustices there would be no awareness and without that spotlight change would never come.

          • A discussion for another day…I am aware of everything you posted. I am not aware of any legislation or financial backing to do any of the above.

    • It is an ongoing campaign against normalizing Trump’s policies and personnel. White nationalists, climate deniers are coming to dismantle the policies and community we have built over the last 8 years. It ain’t normal. Stay outraged. Creativity and art will lead the way.

  • Sigh. This is so…boring…

  • It’s a banner , not some meta-analysis. Seems pretty clear it’s just saying that DC residents won’t back down from the fringe right-wingers now descending on a city that overwhelmingly opposes their worldview . DC IS full of educated elites–and lots of other diverse communities that also oppose Trump.

    Also the sign doesn’t say anyone else is stupid, just that Trump is.

    • “DC IS OUR CITY!!!” – Every millennial resident who has lived or rented in DC or Arlington for less than eight years. I’m sure every former resident that has been gentrified out of their family homes weep for your plight of having to interact with people who “oppose their worldview”

      • 1) As a DC native with plenty of friends and family who have been priced out, I ask if you think those people want to see Trumpish policies enacted in DC, or anywhere else? Anyone and everyone who is or has ever been a part of any DC community, gentrified or not, needs to stand united against those who would hurt the city’s interests — including and especially the racist Trump administration. This is about uniting the city, not dividing it.
        2) You’re right that gentrification is a very real problem — and one that stands to get a lot worse under a Trump regime. If you really do care you should get engaged instead of wasting time quibbling and trolling.

        • I’m not assuming to know what “those people” want, I’m just not as clairvoyant as you are, clearly. Hanging banners mocking people or making them feel unwelcome is sowing division.

  • I think I’m in the 1% of black people that voted for Trump 0_0. These Popville threads are always an interesting read…happy Thursday.

    • Blithe

      Since you put it out there: WHY? I can get not supporting Hillary, but I have yet to hear a cogent reason for a black person to vote for Trump. Would you feel comfortable saying more about the reasons behind your vote?
      – I’m trying to stay out of the fray, at least in this particular thread, but I’m sure that anything you decide to post would be, as you put it, an interesting read.

      • I think it was more of the “what if” or “unknown” factor more than anything. I wanted more from Obama in terms of tax policy changes for the middle class, education reform, and an answer to the immigration problem. I’m also not pleased with the ACA pricing.

        I know a lot of people fought Obama’s good ideas just for being Obama so I figured with Trump if he puts in policies that are similar or better I bet it will get passed because it’s Trump.

        Regarding the other demo that voted for Trump thinking that jobs will magically come back will probably see some relief but not much. Unless you know a good trade or Trump makes it easier for you to learn a skill you’ll be SOL because tech and automation will replace the “wrench turners”.

        I looked the other way on the way he ran his campaign just the way I forgave the comments and questionable actions of Hilary. In the end, I wanted something different not more of the same. I have more reasons why I voted the way I did but I feel like that deserves more of a conversation versus writing a wall of text that might get misconstrued which I’m open for.

        • there are many versions of “something different” that are drastically worse than the status quo, no matter your opinion of current tax, education or immigration policy…

        • Kevin,
          I respect your opinions and your right to vote for whomever you choose. But why is it that you think Trump will (1) make healthcare more affordable, (2) cut taxes for the middle class, (3) reform education in any meaningful way? His campaign never once provided a viable option for fixing any of these issues. He wants to do away with ACA (but provides no alternative) and his tax proposals would overwhelmingly benefit the rich, not the middle class.
          .
          I guess I’m just confused why, even if you thought that Trump could get things done while in office, he would ever want to achieve the goals you’ve laid out, especially since his comments often suggest he either doesn’t have a plan or his plan contravenes your desires.
          .
          Thanks for your willingness to discuss the reasons you voted for Trump. I hope my message does not come across as aggressive. I’m just genuinely interested in discourse with you and other Trump voters.

          • MR I based my opinion from what was posted on his website under the different policy sections. I’m sure those aren’t concrete but I liked what I saw versus what is currently in place like the 3 tax bracket system, school choice, a competitive healthcare system etc. Since then I see that he would keep some aspects of ACA in place and that he would not kick all “illegals” out of the country.

            I’m not an expert in business and don’t believe the “trickle down” from the top in “big businesses” but I do agree that small business needs tremendous help and I think he can provide that.

            To your 2nd point, I think Trump doesn’t want to be seen as a failure and people are going to be holding him to his promises…hopefully not the crazy ideas though. I’m trying to reserve any judgment until his cabinet is picked and I start hearing concrete plans.

            And no your comments didn’t come across as aggressive and even if they were I’ve already encountered way worse from my black community already lol so it’s okay. I just love to hear other opinions (I’m more of a listener than a talker).

          • Thanks Kevin. I appreciate you responding to my questions. I guess we’ll see what happens 🙂 Thanks again for the constructive conversation!

        • Blithe

          Thank you Kevin. I appreciate your candor.

  • bizarre reading some comments from fellow liberals telling middle America to get over it and bootstrap yourself out of poverty.

    • Thank you. When you say the same thing about marginalized blacks, you’re called a racist and told that you lack empathy. Can’t have it both ways.

      • That is a conundrum the DNC and liberals will need to fix going forward. Sadly, I see them doubling down on the “bootstraps for some, social justice for others” mentality. I dont think they’ve fully realized that the bootstraps ideology just doesnt work, whether you won the birth lottery or not.

    • I agree with this. I think its necessary for liberals to say “Dear working class white people, we ignored your specific needs and we need to refocus our efforts to impact all of the people” and I think its necessary for Trump voters to say “I know that it seems we chose bigotry over politics as usual, but I had to make the right decision for me and my family and it came at the expense of choosing a man who is bigoted. For my family the alternative was scarier.”… I just want acknowledgement and reason why they could overlook bigotry, and an understanding of why I (black woman) could not and the impact it would have on my life. I def. hear and agree with middle America that their voices are going unheard.

  • How are you going to “resist”? Are you going to quit your cushy government jobs, are you going to pick up a gun and fight, are you going to house a family of illegal immigrants, or just keep calling half of America names and further the division in the country?

  • Amen to that. I plan to be very vocal with my disapproval of Trump any time I can. Can’t wait to flip off his motorcade if I e we spot it. Hopefully he’ll stay in NY. They can have him!

    • Round of applause for Scot the tolerant liberal- someone get this man a cookie

    • Personally I’m just waiting 20 years for when there is no longer a racial majority in america so that the self-interest of one particular group cannot determine the future for everyone else. If you want to hasten that outcome, marry and have children with a person of color. Also agree that the electoral college is what it is and while i don’t like the outcome I am accepting it. I will however hope and lobby for election reform to do away with the electoral college as it decidedly means that not all votes are created equal.

    • Has anyone seen a cost analysis of what ungodly amount of taxpayer money will be wasted transporting him from NYC to DC if he gets to split time as he has expressed the desire to do?

      • More or less than the ungodly amount of taxpayer money wasted transporting obama back and forth to hawaii? or on campaign events? seriously, this is what you are concerned about?

  • My takeaways from this thread:
    We shouldn’t be condescending to spiteful, uninformed people because they get butthurt so easily. We need to show faux respect for some of their truly odious viewpoints. And we (Dems) need to trick them into voting for us the next time around. Again, how is that not a condescending strategy?
    .
    We’ve already tried to speak plainly to them with facts. Didn’t work.
    We’ve tried “straight talk” with them (e.g., see Hillary’s coal speech). Didn’t work.
    The GOP has successfully put barriers in place to disenfranchise Democratic voters (reducing polling places, ID laws, gerrymandering – which is worse in GOP states, etc).
    .
    At the end of the day, we can’t fix mass amnesia and stupidity over the course of an electoral term. Frankly, we need to fight dirty. We’re already taking a great step by pressuring tech companies to police misinformation. We need to take the reins in local government and make structural electoral changes to hit back at the monied GOP minority HARD. Y’all are approaching this like academics; you need to think like a warrior. These folks only understand blunt strength and street smarts.

    • People fall for emotional appeals in elections – I’ve always thought the republicans have done well since 1980 because they have mastered propaganda better, while dems tend to talk reason and policy, which just don’t work on the majority of the electorate. It’s a propaganda war mostly.

      Agree what we need is organizing for elections at all levels – but there seem to be fewer and fewer people who want to do that work every year.

      • A lot of smart, progressive people who would be drawn to local elected office can’t do so because of the Hatch Act. They already work for the federal government and can’t run in an election for the part-time school board or board of supervisors. That leaves a vacuum easily filled by the local used car dealer who is a reliable Republican. Progressives may need to choose between meaningful, brainy work as a Fed vs. running for local office.

      • And yes, I totally agree. Democrats need to abandon reasoning and tap into emotional ammunition. This doesn’t mean we need to lie or ignore facts. We need to connect with the emotional voter who chooses primarily based on candidate personality and simple sound-bytes. I know it goes against our instincts for nuance, but facts don’t win elections in the United States. And that’s the sad truth.

    • HaileUnlikely

      Do you actually fail to grasp that it is possible to disagree with or even outright reject a person’s opinions or policy positions without writing off the whole person completely?
      .
      Recall that President Obama get a lot of votes from working class whites who didn’t necessarily love all of his ideas but nonetheless believed that [unlike his opponent] he at least acknowledged their existence and gave a f*ck about them. Now note that this year, that Trump guy basically did the exact same thing, i.e., got a lot of votes from people who believed that [again, unlike his opponent] he acknowledged their existence and gave a f*ck about them. Funny how that worked out. (Not ha ha funny. It’s really sad and f*cked up, but that’s basically what happened.)

      • I’m not writing off the whole person. But obviously facts and logic are not their strong suit. So why are Democrats going to continue trotting obliviously down that strategic dead-end?
        Like I said, make it emotional. Keep it simple. Fight dirty against their GOP opponents. Be more forceful, assertive, and offensive. NEVER apologize. They disrespect wafflers and those with nuanced positions – this is exactly why my unionized father loved Bernie but instead cast a vote for Trump. The working class voters respect you LESS if you try to come at them with facts and figures – it makes you look like a effete academic. Guess what? They don’t win elections outside college towns and big cities.
        You’re an economist/statistician – I’m saying we should pretty much do the opposite of what appeals to you as a voter. You’re already a won vote, no one in the Democratic party needs to fight to convince you.

        • HaileUnlikely

          What I was responding to was your characterization of the discussion above as saying that “We need to show faux respect for some of their truly odious viewpoints.” No. We need to show respect for *people,* even if we disagree with their viewpoints, and we need to emphasize our (genuine) respect and empathy for *people* even if from time to time we also have a moral imperative to voice disagreement for, say, a proposal to ban Muslims from entering the country. There is a difference between when a person is debating an opposing view in good faith versus when they have complete and utter contempt for you as a person, and even the dumbest uneducated hick in the world can tell the difference.
          .
          I basically agree with the remainder of your points. I work professionally as an engineer & statistician, but I’m by no stretch of the imagination an academic. I usually vote for Democrats, but among my social circle in DC, I am much much more conservative than almost anybody I ever interact with on a day to day basis (e.g., I am unapologetically pro-life. Anti-war, anti-death penalty, pro-social services for families, pro-education, but yes still anti-abortion). And I have members of my family who live in a trailer and work at Walmart. I know what it feels like to identify with a group that much of the smug liberal elite sneers at and considers to be beneath them. It doesn’t bother me that they *disagree* with me about issues. What bothers me is that they exude complete and utter contempt for people with whom I identify. I have voted D in the past several elections (including this one) anyway, because I honestly thought they were the superior candidate every time, but I’m not above admitting that I totally get the urge to vote for the incompetent orange-hued guy for no other reason than to stick it to the smug liberal elite who considers themselves to be above me and my kind, even though I didn’t seriously consider doing that myself. Not because of disagreements about policy–I can get past those–but because it’s really really hard to bring yourself to support somebody who can’t even contain their contempt for you for 5 minutes.
          .
          In summary, I believe it’s all about about respect and concern. Not faux respect and faux concern, real respect and real concern. Not for viewpoints that you consider heinous, but for *people.* I believe that that is a large part of why a lot of people who voted for President Obama declined to vote for Hillary. He went out of his way to demonstrate his genuine respect and concern for all citizens, not limited to but absolutely including working class whites in the middle of the country. Not only did Hillary decline to make any effort to demonstrate to these voters that she cared about them and considered them to be important, but she allowed her contempt for them show through on more than one occasion over the course of the campaign, which caused me to cringe and at the time hyperbolically but in hindsight correctly say to myself “there goes the election.”

  • Um, Trump won fair and square. That’s a fact. Instead of bashing him for what he has said (as if you all haven’t said anything inappropriate to people before), how about you all just give him a chance to actually do his job. If Hillary had won and Trump supporters were protesting, rioting, vandalizing property, etc., you’ll all would say they are acting like children and needs to be arrested. So please, lets be adults here.

    • You act like there’s anarchy in the streets. Also, I’m happy to give the man a chance. But how many chances does he get? So far his transition is a clown parade and he’s made a white nationalist his top aide. You want people to ignore what he’s said in the past, but how do we ignore his actions over the last 8 days?

      • So there hasn’t been people rioting and vandalizing in major cities across America for the last 8 days? And exactly how has his actions been over the last 8 days? Hillary has also said vile things about people (see the movie “13th”). So you don’t have any White Nationalist friends or family members? You probably do, you may not be aware of it though. I bet you think all the other past Presidents were diversity friendly, huh?

        • I can see discourse with you will be a waste of time. I can’t even begin to understand your family-members-as-white-nationalists argument.

          • If you found out one or a few of your family members were White Nationalists, you’d still associate with them, correct? What about your boss? Wouldn’t want to quit just because they may have different personal beliefs than you, now would you? You’re just speaking with emotions, that’s what it seems like. It’s best to just get over of what he said and just focus on his policies. Lets not act like you haven’t said anything that’s considered vile or disrespectful.

          • Again, completely non-sensical. This is like arguing with a child.

        • I have no white nationalist friends or family members. I can assure you of that.

    • And why do you think people are protesting the election or democracy? You start your comment with “Trump won fair and square.” Yes, we’re aware of that. No one is abandoning the democratic process. It’s possible to protest Trump without undermining the republic.

      • Of course you won’t answer any questions, so I’ll do it. YES, you would still associate with your White Nationalist boss, family members, friends. YES, you have said vile/disrespectful things, but yet judge other for doing it as well. Ahhh, Liberalism. Must be nice being a hypocrite.

        • Wow HOW many white nationalist friends and family do you have??? I can assure you I have none, and if I found out a friend or family member was I would not associate with them. You really are the company you keep and if you feel comfortable making excuses for White Nationalists…well if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

          Also, hell yes I will judge the PRESIDENT ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES for saying vile and disrespectful things. What is wrong with you? This isn’t some 14 year old brat calling people racist names on Call of Duty, this is man who is supposed to represent us in foreign policy and it is downright shameful that you have no issues with his behavior. Speaks volumes.

    • Weird comment. Free assembly and protest of the administration in charge is as American as apple pie. Find me a president whose opposition didn’t march on the national mall and didn’t stir up grassroots protests.

      • So is vandalizing, rioting, and physically attacking people who don’t agree with you, right? That’s American as well, correct? Maybe you didn’t hear about Hillary supporters have been doing that (for the past 8 days).

        • Those incidents are rare when you consider the vast majority of people protesting peacefully and lawfully. Don’t make protests about the few criminals in the bunch. More vandalizing, rioting, and physically attacks happen when certain teams WIN or LOSE their games… so …

          • Why can’t the Hillary supporters just accept the Trump has won? Trump supporters would have had to accept if Hillary had won, and I doubt they would have been rioting and acting violent against the Police, like Hillary supporters are doing. They’re acting worse than little children when they can’t get their way. Just grow up!

          • LOL just because you repeat yourself 100 times doesn’t make it true. It is very small majority that are responsible, so to paint Hillary supporters would be a very large stretch. Protests do not equate to violence against the police. If Hillary had won I would expect not only protests but a call for her to face criminal charges (I’m not sure that I would disagree with that either). If you love this country and what we stand for than YOU should accept our right to peacefully protest. Should I say all sports fans are crazies and don’t value their communities or police when they jump on cars, start fires etc as a CELEBRATION?

          • @CapHillNative
            It’s pointless arguing with WorldCityDC.

          • Look, Trump is your next President. I don’t see how rowdy drunk kids celebrating their team winning oppose to losers rioting, attacking Trump supporters, calling for the death of Trump, destroying businesses, etc. These are adults were are talking about. Our supposedly “future leaders.” They are not setting examples for the younger generation.

          • This fun. So you are saying people should not protest because 1. You don’t agree with what they are protesting. 2. They aren’t setting a good example. 3. Adults are protesting politics but kids are celebrating their team… even tho the results are entirely more destructive in the latter. However, Trump is a good example, even tho he exposed our children to the P word and other language? And those celebrating a team have their IDs checked and they are definitely all children AND drunk (well are they drinking underage and illegally or are they drunk adults?) therefore get an excuse for their behavior? I know you’re a troll but please be a better one or quietly return to the comment section of the Washington Times.

        • A lot of the rioting is initiated by PSYOPS teams. Its been well documented how peaceful protests are often infiltrated by this tactic. All it takes is a few individuals to kick things off and its all downhill after that

          • Evidence seems to be lacking for your claim. You don’t get to just state something as a fact and drop the mic. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE?

  • I hope this goes on in every major city in the USA!