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  • Wish there was this much enthusiasm to get out the vote in NC, FL, and the Rust Belt. And wish we had a candidate people wanted to get out and vote for, rather than two candidates we all wanted to vote against. Trump’s going to be President. Accept it, and put your energy into beating him in four years, and more importantly, flipping the Senate in two.

    • The thing is, I don’t think most people find the slogging work of working to get local, state and congressional candidates elected to be sexy enough to bother with. Sad, but true. I think of many decades past, when people like union members, or civil rights workers (in my mind/memory as least) would organize to get voters educated about elections and out to vote. Demonstrating, on the other hand, is cathartic, and takes little time or commitment, but its the other work we need to do to make anything turn around. I include myself in this criticism, by the way – it applies to most of us (whether we demonstrate or just stay home.)
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      The internet makes all this even so much harder – before it, people had to go out and actually meet people in groups to have conversations, which could lead to plans and political action – now I increasingly see people getting their sense of community and discussion from social media and forgoing actual face to face conversation and discussion and meeting. It is like people are living in a virtual reality in many ways.

  • I can’t be the only person who finds this hilarious, right? It’s like the progressive equivalent of the Republican freakout in 2008 when Obama won after calling them bitter people who clung to their guns and religion. “He’s going to take away our guns! He’s going to force churches to hold gay weddings! He’s going to install Sharia law! Oh noes!” This looks exactly the same. Trump won’t bring back Jim Crow. Trump won’t take away marriage equality. He might do a few things, but come on, it’s a bit unrealistic to expect a permanent majority in a democratic republic, isn’t it? You win some, you lose some, but progress continues, even if it’s not as fast as we’d like.

    • It’s also important that we remember how the optics of these protests play to swing voters. Will protests over losing the election convince them to vote for Team Blue in 2018 and 2020? Will looting and burning cars, as happened in other cities, change those voters minds? Or will it instead play into Trump’s hands? The answer here’s pretty obvious, folks.

    • You wouldn’t have had this type of reaction to a Mitt Romney or John McCain presidency. And there’s real reasons for that, given the things Trump said and did during his campaign.

    • You must have missed all of the truly unparalleled bad ideas he’s proposing. An authoritarian government, with a part behind it that could almost amend the constitution, that wants to back out of NATO and renegotiate other treaties and trade agreements.

      If you don’t think his campaign promises are real, he said today he wants to deport millions of central and South Americans.

      The next 4 years have the potential to be very bad.

      I don’t particularly agree with the protesting (if we protest all the time, it diminishes the impact when bad things actually happen- and I feel like with the bad skies ahead we should keep our powder dry) but I also want to give him the benefit of the doubt – however I empathize with their concern and fear.

      • I voted for HRC but come on…it’s already US policy to request NATO states to increase their spending to a whopping 2% of GDP…he is just putting more teeth behind the threat. And BHO has been the deporter-in-chief compared to Bush II.

    • Blithe

      I’m a little stuck. Trump has appointed an avowed white nationalist as his chief strategist. Help me find the hilarity here….

    • As a black Democrat, I concur as well. I voted for Donald Trump because he was more serious about illegal immigration than Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton basically supported open borders like many liberals within the Democratic Party. There will be no massive deportations as so many progressives think. The Democratic Party is going to have to rethink their position by being more inclusive of white rural Democrats and not be too liberal on everything, if not they will continue to loose the white vote. As Dave Chappelle stated on Saturday Night Live, please give President elect Donald Trump a chance. If he does a poor job, then the people can vote him out of office. Millions of people (mostly white) were angry when President Obama was elected, but life continued. One thing I’ve noticed, many of the protesters are white, and in Los Angeles the protesters are mostly Mexicans/Central Americans. The point I’m making, I didn’t see many blacks protesting in the streets. I think most blacks are sitting on the sidelines and see how this plays out.

      • Its more of the same for AAs. Neither candidate had/has their best interest in mind so all you can do is see how it plays out. Hillary went the celeb route to pull in the black vote but we have seen that time and time again. Get a popular black celeb or a reputable church lead to pander for the black vote while all the while not saying anything of substance.

    • A key difference is that with the Obama election, the right was responding to the fear tactics of the right. This time, the panic is caused by things the candidate actually said.

  • I find Trump a bit obnoxious and disingenuous. I also these signs like 1,000 refugees for Trump very disturbing. But these lunatics have been taught to follow this kind of ideology from elementary schools and it is being enhanced by New York Times. Although Trump wins this time, America is doomed in the long run.

  • There’s many signs of intimidation to anything that does not look wasp in different places througout the country. Those are facts. And Trump with his rethoric against those people and his “you know what to do” and his “you know what I mean” has a lot to do with what’s going on

  • That One Guy

    What values do Republican point to when they identify their party’s core/defining beliefs? Is Donald Trump exemplary of those values? I really want to try to understand how this works.

    • I’m not a Republican, but I am a conservative (not the same thing, obviously). The simple answer, That One Guy, is that the Republican Party hasn’t been “conservative” for a long time, unless you mean they conserve what the Democratic Party has accomplished. Conservatives like myself still vote for them, but we tend to throw up in the back of our mouths after doing so.

      Trump is not a conservative, and he’s definitely not a Republican. His nomination and subsequent election are a hostile takeover of the Republican Party. This is not, necessarily, a bad thing. Compare his economic and immigration policies to Sanders, for instance. They are substantively the same despite being rhetorically different.

      • The rhetoric matters. There have been something like 300 documented cases of violence against minorities since the election. When you embolden liberals, you get a surge in volunteerism. When you embolden the far right, you get a surge in displays of racism– Muslim women having their hijabs snatched off and the n-word used with impunity.
        Also, can we just talk about the irony of waving a Confederate flag while scoffing “You lost, get over it.”

        • Violence pre-election as well but to me the biggest change that I do see is that supremacist are really jumping on the Trump wagon as if his victory symbolizes some great race war victory as evident by the recent vandalism in Silver Spring.

          http://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2016/11/silver-spring-church-vandalized-with-pro-trump-racist-message/slide/1/

          So yes I agree the rhetoric definitely matters. Trump has already started backpedaling on some of his stances but he has to get this under order somehow.

        • You’re kidding me, right? Most of these violent protests going on over the last week haven’t been by “emboldened members of the far right.” In fact, over the last few years I have seen mostly a surge in pouting and acting like petulant children (e.g., students crying and getting excused from classes last week) rather than volunteerism. I appreciate the romanticized notion, but actions speak louder than words and I think many in the country are tired of this behavior and that was expressed at the polls last week. There have been documented cases of violence against conservatives which no one wants to talk about, and the hijab case out of Louisiana was fabricated (not to discount other real stories that have occurred).

        • wdc, thank you. Finally someone pointing to the real fear this election has caused. Does the person sitting in the WH really affect me, day to day? No, of course not. But his reckless words emboldened the anti-everything but me-ites to not only let it all hang out but to do it in our president-elect’s name, essentially, with his blessing (whether that was his intention or not). That’s why you need a candidate who actually has the ability to think before they speak, and to own up to blunders when they happen.

          Unfortunately, we didn’t get that. We got someone with the emotional maturity of a blueberry scone as president.

          If you’re the victim of bullying/a hate crime, how isolating must it feel to be surrounded by bullies, fearing for everything from maybe just your ego to your possessions to potentially your safety and your life? Then, when they invoke “Trump” as part of it, you get to understand that the bullies’ beliefs about you go all the way to the top. Your own president sanctioned this behavior.

          You want me to heal, to come to the table and compromise? First, the rest of the people at the table have to not want to see me marginalized at best, or dead, at worst. Until then, I have to sit at my own table. Trump supporters and cabinet members, call me when you don’t want me dead. I’ll talk jobs, economy and sanctions all day long. Enjoy your scone.

  • This is Awkward

    How are folks keeping track of protests and other organizing actions? As an anomaly of a millennial who does not use Facebook, I’ve struggled to find the best way to keep abreast of these (often quickly organized) events. Would appreciate hearing what methods folks find most effective.

    Question for POP – is there any way to set alerts when people reply to you? Always wished it was easier to track responses to comments on here.

    Thanks!