Rendering for Luxury Apartments and Retail coming to North Capitol and Florida Ave, NW

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Brick Lane’s website says:

“10 Florida Ave NW

Planned redevelopment of 10 Florida Avenue, a 15,000 sf mixed-use project consisting of 5,000 sf of ground floor retail and 10,000 sf of multi-family in the NoMa submarket of Washington DC.”

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rendering via Brick Lane DC

Right next door to Wicked Bloom. Incidentally, any early fans?

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also digging Wicked Bloom’s bloom:

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1540 North Capitol Street, NW

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  • I like that they’re keeping the facade.

  • Rendering looks nice, but where is the hobo park? Is that conveniently to the right of the snap shot?
    This is a crazy busy intersection. Props to whoever develops it- they are aggressive. I struggle to understand who the target buyer is. I see this area being nice in the very near future, but that busy intersection and that bus stop have a few hurdles to overcome.

    • So how else does it become nice in the very near future? Redevelopment has to start somewhere.

    • I would love to see the city bury the highway that is North Capitol and restore Truxton Circle. N. Capitol St was widened back in the 1960’s for the convenience of Maryland commuters and to the detriment of DC residents. The residents on N. Capitol lost much of their front yards to widen the street. The next phase of that development should be to completely bury the highway on N. Capitol and rebuild Truxton Circle. The traffic circle originally sat just north of Florida Ave and was lovely.

  • This building can easily go up another 2-3 stories and not affect the character of that area. But otherwise I think it’s a great change and hopefully cleans that area up. Now if they can only do something with the empty lot on the northside of FL ave.

      • Nothing will happen with that lot unless it is sold. It is owned by Joe Mamo (the owner of most of the crappy gas stations in the area) who makes big political contributions which protect him from pressure to do something with it. The PUD was filed in 2009 and was extended in 2014 despite no progress being made in developing the property in the intervening period. He is just using these extensions to bide his time and hope the land becomes more valuable. Meanwhile that area is a festering pit. I’ve been assaulted by the characters who loiter there and harass the pedestrians that walk by or try to use the bus stop. Hopefully someone wises up and denies a futher extension when it comes up again… Better yet, maybe re-developing of this property across the street will finally provide the impetus for him to sell and somebody with an actual interest in doing something positive with the land can take control of it.

      • Those plans have been drawn for quite some time. Mamo seems to want to sell this lot along with the PUD, but nobody seems to be biting due to the high cost of ground remediation (used to be a gas station).

    • I’m guessing that will happen eventually, but the potential rents may not be quite high enough to warrant the increased construction costs right now?

      • Well some builder just got permits approved to build a big building at 50 FL ave. Right before you get to the XM building heading east on FL.

        • yeah but that sounds super duper not cost effective to pop up two-three stories (also wouldn’t you need to jam an elevator shaft into this footprint for that to be legal?) … if you want 6 stories here you’d probably have to knockdown the existing building and start from scratch. Not sure it’s that great an idea…

        • The 50 FL NE PUD has been around for a while now. As exWalbridge mentioned above, there’s a huge difference in footprint for the two buildings that seriously skews the cost-benefit calculus.

    • This is false, that would drastically impact the neighborhood. I live right behind this building in the neighborhood and another 2 or 3 stories would have a negative impact on the sunlight on the streets behidn it (Bates and Q).

      • I live there too and this is nonsense. Adding three stories to that building would in no way impact sunlight on Bates, which is due South. The sun rises in the East and sets in the West and there is no chance a taller building north of Bates Street is going to impact sunlight on Bates Street. It might be an eyesore to those on Q street (although, more or less an eyesore than the people who hang out in front of this building or in the park across the street is up for debate). Most of those houses on Q street get very little sunlight as it is. It might impact the first house on the other side of that empty lot behind this building and the ones nearest the now closed gas station there, but hardly a dramatic problem for the neighborhood. This building fronts Florida and North Capitol, which both have much taller buildings up and down them.

      • Using a product like the Sun Surveyor app, one could see that even in high summer (when the sun is furthest north), there would have to be a much taller building to affect sunlight reaching someone living on the eastern end of Bates Street NW. I’d love to say you’d save on your electric bill from shade created by a mid-rise building to the northeast, but even on the June solstice, solar declination is 23 degrees and azimuth is 291. You’ll still get full sun all day long, year-round. And you’ll enjoy the civic sunshine of neighbors and life on the street. What the problem is, really?

        • I dont need an ap. I speak from us in our backyards, having community events together. We know where our sun comes from. We even do certain things based on it and have for years.

          As far as civic sunshine, this is an insult. We have plenty of civic sunshine. From men on the street washing cars together, looking our for our senior neighbors, fixinf our tree boxes and planter boxes together and even shoveling snow, we have plenty of civic sunshine. We dont need some new building of temporary residents who wont be long term to make our community great. How dare you?

  • These developers are really not helping themselves with the white only renderings.

    • Oh snap. I just saw that. Hilarious!!! They forgot to depict the free outdoor beer garden that already exists. I mean people clamor over those things.

      • Not sure hilarious is the word I’d use. Pretty disappointed in popville today.

        • Unless I’m missing something, I don’t think Dan has any sort of stake in this corner. Take it up with the developers.

          • Mostly disappointed in the commentariat, who seem pretty excited about an all white North Cap.

          • Yes, we are all horrible racists. You are the sole commenter here who believes in racial equality, and therefore, your obvious feelings of moral superiority are entirely justified.

          • Those of us who actually live in the neighborhood are excited about cleaning up that corner, which only you take to mean ethnic cleansing. We take it to mean removing loud, rowdy, often aggressive drunkards and possibly the homeless encampment that is set up in the park across the street. As someone who doesn’t actually live in Truxton Circle (assumption made based on your moniker), perhaps you could go down there and hang out on that corner for a bit and see what people are talking about instead of sitting at your computer and pretending you’re a might racial equality warrior.

            This has nothing to do with race. It has to do with not wanting drunks pissing on the back of your house or harassing you when you walk by.

          • Yes because people who didn’t draw this rendering, are excited that maybe some of the public intoxication, harassment, urination, and garbage might become lessened with some increased development. Yes, we are all so excited for an all-white North Cap.

    • I like the white building color but everyone can have their opinion

    • How are they not helping themselves out? Who is likely to move in here?

    • Au contraire, I think that they think they are helping themselves.

    • What would be the proper racial distribution ration for a rendering of this neighborhood?

    • I guess I was paying too much attention to the actual building to notice the racial composition of the rendering — we all have our priorities I suppose — but since you posted the detailed version below I was able to find a person of color next to the blue car carrying some kind of blue bag.

  • This is great. Combined with the new restaurants that have opened up on North Cap I hope this really gets things going on cleaning that street up.

    • Maybe a little more development also finally gets the owner of the vacant lot facing this to sell or develop.

      • I’m not sure that this development is really going to push Mamo to develop that lot in the near term. My hope now is that the SEC forces him to break up his effective monopoly in DC, which could tip his hand to sell this lot in the fallout, but I’m not holding my breath. By the way, has anyone else noticed that the pumps at Valero further up FLA seem to be shut down? I’m curious what’s happening there.

    • I wonder if by “cleaning up” you mean displacing the people of color in that neighborhood.

      • Yes troll, that is exactly what I mean. Good job!

        • To be fair that’s what the rendering seems to imply.

          • Perhaps he means cleaning up the streets covered in trash and the drug dealing but go ahead and try to make it racial once again!

          • It doesn’t take any “trying” to make it racial when the developer creates a whites only rendering of a street that, if you were to walk down today, would be mostly people of color.

          • To be fair, anon was commenting on my cleaning up comment and not the rendering.

          • To be fair, if you walked down there today, most of the people you see (regardless of race) are drunks and homeless people. As for many of the people who live in the nearby streets (Bates, Q, P, Florida), quite a few of them these days are white.

      • Nope; got nothing against people of color. But the belligerent, high, dangerous, mostly homeless people have got to go for that corner to be “cleaned up.” Looking forward to big improvements on this hot mess of a corner.

        • The people who are complaining that cleaning up is racial have clearly never been to that corner. It’s a homeless camp and full of drunks. Period. The liquor store just closed down so hopefully that’ll disperse some of that. I don’t walk by there if I can help it except to get to DCity Smokehouse which is about to move as well.

          • Sure, but did they have to ethnically cleanse the rendering to make it seem clean?

          • Do you understand what “ethnic cleansing” traditionally means? If not, look it up. It might give you the sense of perspective you’re sorely lacking. You seem excessively outraged about a few tiny renderings of humans, the racial character of which is impossible to tell in most cases.

          • There’s a high res version too:
            http://bricklanedc.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/10FloridaAVe_v06.jpg
            There are around thirty individual people identifiable in the photo. All are clearly white. Given the current composition of that neighborhood it would literally take ethnic cleansing to make that happen. That’s a fact.
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            Of course I don’t believe the developers intend to actually ethnically cleanse the neighborhood. But it’s hard to say that the extremely unlikely racial composition of the rendering doesn’t reflect on the developer’s intentions and biases.

          • I love the fact that the only clearly identifiable automobile in the hi-res version is a Maserati.

          • Do you understand what “literally” or “fact” means? We don’t know what the racial composition of this neighborhood will be in a few years, and there are many complex reasons as to why it may change. But I can assure you that no actual group of people will be forcibly expelled and/or killed en masse in this neighborhood under any circumstances. If you don’t dial down your outrage, it will be hard to take you seriously.

          • Petworther – PoPville did not make those renderings, he’s simply disseminating the info. You have valid concerns regarding the questionable decision to exclude black people from the rendering – take them up with the developer.

          • As someone who actually lives in Truxton, I am pretty certain I have a grasp of the ethnic makeup of the neighborhood. And a pretty good idea of what that makeup will be in 10 years. We get your point that gentrification benefits white people to the detriment of many black families. Why are you pretending to actually be surprised a developer’s marketing materials are highly reflective of real life? What is actually happening in this city?

          • I hate to tell you all but at least half of the folks who hang there arent homeless. They may look it but many of them live in apartments, rent rooms or live with family in the blocks around the area. This is why they are always in the area. I have learned to identify plenty of them as they come and go down Bates, P, Q, etx and through the alleys of the area.

      • There are plenty of people of color in that neighborhood who don’t spend their days drunk, high, sleeping, loitering or generally making the corner the mess that it is. Poverty, homelessness, and “people of color” are not synonymous.

  • Does anyone know what is happening with Steve’s Market at 1st and P? They popped-up and back and now there is a stop work order. I asked the workers a few times (before the order) and have been told that they are just planning to re-open Steve’s (seems unlikely) or that a “cafe” is coming. Anyone have any more info?

    • I hear a cafe Big Bear style but I’m skeptical. A third floor addition seems pointless if it will just reopen as a bodega.

    • Looking at pivs (ssl: 0615 0029) it appears their original permit set was for “EXISTING 2 UNIT INTERIOR RENOVATION AS PER PLANS IN BASEMENT ONLY.” and no record of inspection. So I’m guessing they exceeded their permits and lot coverage allowance just a little. Don’t worry on their behalf, I’m sure DCRA will make them pay at least $2.50 and slap their wrists while letting them continue unabated.

      • There has also been some strange late night activity there as well in terms of construction. I know one night they had a giant cement truck there presumably pouring the foundation in the renovated basement. It was just strange because it was happening pretty late in the evening. Seemed a bit shady. They’ve also pretty dramatically expanded the size of it. I am a bit surprised there has not been more chatter about it in the neighborhood blogs and at ANC meetings.

        My hope is that they turn it into a cafe or eatery of some kind and not a market. There are a ton of markets around. I’m not sure why they’d want another there. It’s also a very residential corner, so it seems a nice cafe would fit in better. I’ll remain skeptical until the Steve’s Market sign finally is taken down.

  • I think it looks really nice in the rendering. Like someone actually thought about the context. Revolutionary.

    • Agreed. It took me a moment to realize that the facade in the rendering was actually the same facade as in the original photo — the paint and other tweaks they’re proposing really highlight it.

  • This is a perfect example of the gentrification conundrum. For many years residents in this part of town have asked that something be done about the lack of amenities and the amount of crime on that block. Now that redevelopment of that block appears to be happening there is concern that rising rent and property prices will force a number of long time residents out.
    The reality is that whenever an area “improves” (whether that be a reduction in crime, addition of amenities, etc) there will be a corresponding increase in demand to live in that area and that leads to a corresponding increase in prices (unless the government steps in and artificially keeps a lid on those increases). Although it is easy to label this as a “be careful what you wish for” instance, the dynamics are far more complex and don’t lend themselves to one-liners.

    • Prices for this sectiona and the three blocks around it from Florida down to P and over to first have at least doubled in the last 8 – 10 years and most did so before Uncle Chips, D City, Wicked Bloom, etc. They did so because of the proximity to the Metro and the low cost at that time. It wasn’t about what was coming. Funny most folks who have purcahsed in the lsat 5 – 10 years in the parts of 20001 which abut this weren’t doing it for those businesses, they didi it for the streets, the neighborhood and its convenience.

    • Increased demand to live in an area also results from increased unaffordability of other areas. I am sure that many of the new residents and businesses in this area chose it because it is affordable, at least as compared to other burgeoning neighborhoods in DC. The announcement of “luxury” housing may mean the beginning of the end of that affordability.

    • People understand all of that, and most reasonable people don’t expect city government to magically make the neighborhood nice and keep prices low. It’s a complex problem and ultimately the city is working to find creative ways to create mixed income communities.
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      But when developers literally exclude people of color from their vision of the future, it doesn’t help dispell the perception that developers are actively trying to push people of color out of the community.

      • Why on earth does a developer care so long as you have the money to pay for a unit there? The only color they care about is green. They are reacting to what is happening in the market, which is that white people are taking over traditionally black neighborhoods. If there is a problem it isn’t a developer’s rendering. And harping over and over about it isn’t doing much to address the actual problem that needs to be addressed.

        • There are plenty of young people of color in this region who can afford to live here and throughout DC–I know several who do. The problem with the “G-word” is that it assumes race displacement when in reality, it is economic displacement.

          I grew up white on the Upper East Side of NYC and I can’t afford the increased cost of living there….no one feels badly for me. So I bought a place in Logan where it is nice and cheap in comparison.

          • +1000 THIS. As a person of color, it’s disappointing to see so many people on this post conflating racial displacement with economic displacement. Neighborhoods are not gentrified solely for white consumption and gentrified neighborhoods are seldom whitewashed. Any rendering or defense of a rendering that depicts a neighborhood as such is offensive. That’s not the future.

          • No offense, but the census disagrees with you. Gentrification is both economic displacement and racial displacement. The two go hand in hand. Of course there are young people of color who could afford to live here and throughout DC. But the census demonstrates that white people are generally the beneficiaries of changing neighborhoods in DC to the detriment of black populations that once lived there. That isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact.

            It’s also hilarious that your solution to insane cost of living increases is to move to Logan Circle. I recognize that that is still likely on average cheaper than the upper east side, but Logan isn’t exactly cheap either. When I lived there, I paid as much in rent as many of my friends who lived in NYC. There are absolutely places throughout Manhattan that are cheaper than a great deal of places in Logan Circle. Let’s not pretend you fled on the Mayflower or something to escape your impoverished lifestyle and make a better life for yourself, please.

          • I’d also just note that I was not defending the developer so much as pointing out that a developer is not someone who probably feels a lot of social responsibility here. They are interested in making money. And the reality is, they will and likely to a bunch of white people. I’m not applauding it. I’m just pointing out what I think is somewhat obvious.

          • Truxtoner – Gentrification is racial displacement in DC only because in DC, race is a proxy for economic status – at least with respect to long time residents. I grew up in NYC. I saw neighborhoods like Chelsea, the Bowery, and the East Village go from sketchy to sought after. No one talked about the resulting racial displacement because it was primarily lower income white people who were being pushed out. The majority of the people who live in the underdeveloped parts of DC today are black. It follows that as those neighborhoods become more expensive, the people who leave – voluntarily or not – will be black.
            I’m not quarrelling with the observation that there is racial displacement. I am disputing the underlying argument that there is some deliberate attempt to “cleanse” these neighborhoods of people of color.

          • First, we are talking about DC, so I am not sure really what your point is? My response was to JF’s comment that people are conflating racial displacement with economic displacement. In DC, it’s the same thing. They go hand in hand.

            The census in DC demonstrates that that is accurate here. And unless I’m mistaken, the rendering everyone is talking about (well a few people at least) is for a building here, in DC, in a neighborhood with a rapidly changing demographic of black to white. I’m not defending the rendering or the apparently willingness of the developers to assume their buyers would be white. Just pointing out that chances are, their buyers will be white.

          • I know I’m late to respond and the above may not see this, but…
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            I realize that DC is different from NYC as far as the majority black neighborhoods have been shifted and moved elsewhere. I was only talking about the greater scope of gentrification. It happens everywhere that becomes desirable regardless of race. The country farms of Potomac, MD once occupied by poor white people are now filled with housing far more expensive than what is in DC proper. It just bugs me when it seems that we don’t credit this region for creating the most affluent black community in the country due to the policies of hiring and equal pay wages of the Federal Government; they are mostly just not choosing to live in DC, but the suburbs. The middle class black flight from DC was massive in the 60’s just like the white flight was…they’re all out in the big and little McMansions of Mitchelville, Bowie, Potomac, Clarksville, etc.
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            The issue here really is that capitalism thrives on the upper middle class and upper class communities desires. The rest of the population often suffers from the dreaded trickle down factor and that goes for housing too. If the rich don’t want it, it becomes available to others…it’s just the structure of the policy. Of course we can vote Bernie and work to change that, but until then…

  • Needs to be like five stories higher. More density, more better all around.

    • Falsse again, that would destroy the neighborhood and have a negative impact on the folks who live there now. As someone who sees this building from the home I own that would make my home less friendly. i would lose the little bit of sunlight I already get and of course you wouldn’t care because it doesn’t impact you.

      Now before you go on a lie and say you live there as well, let me give you a heads up, there are only four folks who live within the first 8 houses on Bates and 5 on Q who even read this and the majoirty of them won’t post. If they do they post by name, so I know you don’t live next to the project.

      • A larger development certainly won’t destroy the neighborhood, but you’re right in that a handful of people would be adversely affected by lost sunlight that would result from a 5-6 story structure.

        • Any nearby homeowner will almost certainly be a clear winner from this development (taller or not, although it doesn’t look like taller is seriously on the table here anyways). Try to find a neighborhood in DC where new development/redevelopment like this has ever depressed the nearby home-prices? I don’t think it can be done.

          • HaileUnlikely

            From the perspective of one who is not looking to sell anytime soon, “less light and higher taxes, yippee!”

          • You assume that people care only about their house’s monetary value. For people who want to continue living in their houses, there are other considerations involved.
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            As Irving Streete put it in a post from June 9, 2015:
            “I juts want to throw out that in this discussion there are quality of life issues that are no less valid for being public goods and impossible to price (‘market failures’ — as some of you will remember from econ 101). Your popup makes my neighborhood more crowded, and less aesthetically appealing. It destroys a certain amount of history. It cuts into my daylight, and adds to my parking problems. In short, you profit from making my life worse.”

          • HaileUnlikely, I think you might be my favorite PoPville poster. 🙂

          • HaileUnlikely — On a completely different topic: I remember you were talking about electric blankets in yesterday’s (?) RRRR. Just wanted to make sure it’s on your radar that an electric blanket could have a potential (temporary) negative effect if you and Mrs. Unlikely are planning to have little Unlikelies in the near future. (This is a random piece of knowledge that is stuck in my head despite its never having been personally applicable.)

          • HaileUnlikely

            Thanks for the tip. I was not aware of that, at least not consciously, anyway, though it does make a great deal of sense now that you mention it. No immediate plans in that regard, but in any event, the one we use has dual controls (separate one for each side)…and…well….let’s just say…Haile wasn’t the one who was looking for an electric blanket in the first place.

          • I see both sides. Without a doubt people have legitimate concerns when their personal quality of life are impacted by a neighboring development. But anyone who bought a house next door to this particular development might have had some thought that one day a commercial corner of the city would get redeveloped, or, at the very least, an understanding that one day your view from your window may change. The reality is there are very few houses that are directly adjacent to this building. The adjacent lot on Florida is an empty lot. If you stood on that corner and looked down Q Street, you’d see maybe a few houses that might even be able to see this looking out their front windows. And there’s most certainly enough open space in that gigantic open intersection that adding three floors to this building would hardly change the sunlight or view for anyone.

            And yes, I completely get and sympathize with how neighborhoods change in terms of parking or density or number of people. But when you buy a house you shouldn’t assume the aesthetics will remain constant forever. You live in a city, not a planned community run by an HOA. I think there’s a line where sometimes the personal impact is greatly exaggerated by the anti-development residents who assume because they arrived first, they forever dictate the qualities of a neighborhood. That just is never really how urban life works. I think DC does a pretty remarkable job in many ways to preserve history. But we all kind of have to live with the notion that certain areas are likely to become more developed and dense. This particular development seemed like one that would have been a good candidate for that considering it sits at the intersection of two main arteries in the city. I think people noting that lack of additional density are right here.

          • I’d also note that on many occasions I’ve stared at North Capitol between Florida and New York avenues and assumed to myself that one day those two or three story buildings would all be gone and replaced by 5 to 10 story ones. Mostly because that street is so loud and heavily trafficked that it makes sense to use vertical space to pull people up off the street and away from the noise. Considering what is happening East and South of there, I think in 20 years, that stretch is going to look entirely different. And as a neighbor to it, I will look forward to seeing that space actually get used instead of sitting mostly empty.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Agreed with all that, Truxtoner; just taking exception to conclusion that everybody is a “clear winner” on the basis that their property values go up.
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            And note that nobody in this little sub-thread here has objected to the development in its proposed form, only to anon, above, saying it “needs to be like five stories, or higher.” EJ just said that he didn’t want it that tall because it would block the little bit of light that he had. I really don’t care at all – I live five miles away and will not be affected by this in any tangible way. I just wanted to express my agreement with the notion that current owners care about other things besides property values.

          • Truxtoner – I don’t disagree with you, but I don’t think the HOA argument is particularly salient here. Folks who can afford to buy into neighborhoods with HOAs presumably have the financial wherewithal to move to another location if they don’t like what they see happening around them. Many of the poor folks being displaced do not have the same ability to do so.

          • I don’t agree. Whether you can afford to leave or not is irrelevant. The HOA point was simply that you live in a city, not a planned community, and it is silly to think your neighborhood will forever be what it was when you moved in.

          • Oh, I say nonsense. Buying a home doesn’t entitle you to freeze the neighborhood in time from the moment you arrived. Nobody has this right, so I reject the solipsistic view that living near property development that enriches you somehow makes you a loser. In DC, you are a winner and a clear one. After all, we’re talking about a building being revitalized, not turned into a nuclear waste facility. Be grateful for your good fortune.

          • How am I a clear winner? This isnr about property value this is my home. Loud restaurant on the corner, even less parking on a street which is almost impossible to park on, more trash and pollution. Yeah we benefit greatly.

            This isnt about property value it is about this community that we live in. Tell the folks who live next door who habe lived there for more than 30 years this. Or the folks 7 or 9 doors down who have live there for more than 30 this.

            This is where their grandkids, etc still come and play. Where we sit on our streps and know our neighbors. Contrary to popular belief this little community is exactly that a community.

        • HaileUnlikely

          Yo Walbridge! Nobody here is talking about freezing the neighborhood or trying to stop the development. Nobody on this little subthread is objecting to the actual proposal in any way (the rendering is another matter entirely). EJ said he didn’t want it taller, which please note was not even proposed in the first place. And even if it was, is he not free to voice that he would prefer it not be taller so as to block the light that he presently enjoys? I dislike lots of things in life that I don’t have any desire to actively eliminate or prohibit. Everybody here is so sensitive about protecting developers rights to build their luxury gentrifier pads anybody who comments anything other than, “Ooh! Aah! I love it!” gets accused of being a NIMBY. Ridiculous.

          • Nobody here is talking about freezing the neighborhood or trying to stop the development.

            Yes, they are. Yes, that is entirely the subtext of a great deal of the complaints about pop-ups and other new developments. Sorry, but it is.

          • HaileUnlikely

            It’s hard to have a civil discussion when making assumptions about others’ motives.

          • Exactly, we aren’t talking about tallet wr are talking about living on our street. We didn’t come into areas like this 10/20/30 years ago to only have our lives made worse by such projects. As I posted previously, those who are impacted the lease see all the proposed good in this project.

      • there’s no true or false on this issue. you don’t have an absolute claim on weighing the pros and cons of increased height and density. in fact, the main argument against that you mention (loss of sunlight) has been disproven upthread. and you ignore any positive aspects of increased development, so it’s hard to take you seriously. but we get it, you don’t like this.

    • DC is not NYC. We don’t want to be either.

  • This is not the NOMA Submarket this is Truxton Circle and the area is part of the Bates-Truxton Civic Association. NOMA is a new made up name for part of NE and this is part of NW, please get it together. This isn’t part of the NOMA Bid or there area. This area is respresented by the unresponsive North Capital Main Streets group.

    • Why do you say NCMS is unresponsive, I’ve only had good experiences with them.

      • EJ – I have a direct contact with NCMS group if you need help to get in touch.

        • Forget it, I applied to be a member and was turned down. Got the impression they were looking for a certain demographic and I wasn’t it. I am black.

          • Pretty sure it had nothing to do with your race. My contact is black as well.

          • Looks like they have the same vision as this developer.

          • Petworther – I think it’s fairly clear that you don’t know what you are talking about in this particular context. My black contact at NCMS gave me a distinct impression that completely contradicts your baseless assumptions.

      • No thank you. Ive talked to board members and many of us have reached out directly and indirectly to the Executive Director. It is very clear the type of organization that they want to be and if you arent willing to follow their rules and think just like them they dont want you.

        Funny folks are talking about this area and my street as if they are directly inpacted. I was actually just reading this as I walked past the corner in question and turned on Bates and it is funny. Many of the things stated have been incorrect or assumptions, but it is a clear example of what happens when others attempt to take your neighborhood/community over. They tell you what is best or what you dont know.

        Funny the folks next to this project (a few doors from me) and many other older homeowners who still live in the block disagree with so much that had been state.

        But then again why expect their voices to matter?

    • I hate the term NoMa too, but it’s hardly a new made-up name. The name’s been around for something like 15 years at this point – when there’s a Metro station named NoMa, I think the term is here to stay.

      • HaileUnlikely

        In the grand scheme of things it’s a relatively new made up name. That metro station was called “New York Avenue – Gallaudet University” for a long time before it was renamed NoMa. That’s not the point, though. The portion of NoMa that is also NoNY is only EoNC (I truly hope none of those ever catch on…)

      • Not 15 years — more like 4 years. WMATA announced the name change from “New York Avenue” to “NoMa-Gallaudet-New York Avenue” in Nov. 2011 and implemented it in June 2012, later dropping the “New York Avenue” after a transitional period (think John Cougar Mellencamp).

        • Huh? Per its website, the NoMa BID was created in 2007, so the name’s been around at least that long.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Yes, we all routinely call things by the names of BID’s. Tell somebody who does not work in Golden Triangle that you work in Golden Triangle and see if they have any idea where the heck that is.

          • What was that area called before it was called Noma? What are the proposed alternatives?

            I mean Truxton Circle has its own name controversy, but it seems to have stuck (although not a single person I talk to who doesn’t live in Bloomingdale or Eckington has ever heard of it). I usually just say Eastern Shaw or South of Bloomingdale to explain where it is.

            Also, I don’t think people are that oblivious to Golden Triangle. I probably couldn’t name the bordering streets but have a general idea of where it is and have at least heard of it. Granted, I couldn’t tell you the bordering streets of Shaw any more since that seems to change with every new development scrambling to say they are in Shaw.

          • Does your response disprove my argument that the Noma name is more than 4 years old?

          • The NoMa BID may have been around since 2007, but I think most people didn’t have the name “NoMa” on their radar until the announcement that the Metro station was going to be renamed.

          • HaileUnlikely

            I’m not particularly interested in weighing in on whether the name NoMa is more than 4 years old or less than 4 years old. The developer is advertising the development as being in a neighborhood whose name was fabricated approximately 4-8 years ago which it isn’t even in anyway (see other post further up for more on that point).

          • 2015 minus 2007 = 8 years. Nowhere near 15 years.
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            2015 minus 2011 [announcement of the Metro station name change] = 4 years.

          • I am not going to weigh in other than to note that NOMA was definitely being used before the Metro station name change happened. I was living in another city for a few years (having lived in DC before) and recall visiting friends over there and they were using NOMA before I moved back, which was before 2011.

          • Much of the area now subsumed by NOMA was previously called “Sursum Corda”. It consisted of a very violent housing project that was also the epicenter of drug dealing in much of DC. I can’t imagine anyone would seriously want that name to stick. (Swampoodle is the previously accepted nickname for the neighborhood when it was primarily consisted of poor Irish folks.)

          • Anon – firstly, Sursum Corda still exists. It sits in NW (west of North Capitol) in what is quickly becoming “Mount Vernon” broadly speaking. No one refers to where Sursum Corda sits as NOMA to my knowledge. Nor did it, to my knowledge, ever cross North Capitol into NE, where NOMA is. Recently it was announced it would be torn down and redeveloped.

            Swampoodle was actually south of that area (K street to G street b/t 1st NW and 2nd NE). While it did cross both NW and NE, it is south of what is now referred to as NOMA. I would actually call that the very eastern portion of “H Street” rather than NOMA.

            I’m curious what the area from North Capitol to say 4th Street NE and south to K Street was called, if anything, before it was called NOMA?

          • According to the Google machine, people lived south of there in, as you noted Anon, Swampoodle, just north of Union Station along H Street. North of there appears to just have been referred to as “Near Northeast” and was mostly industrial/warehouses. Not sure what east of that was called if anything. I would have thought where Uline or Union Market is would have had a name even back 50 years ago?

  • I’m not going to put too much stake in a rendering, but on a subliminal level, the non diversity is obnoxious.

    • Seriously? It’s a computer generated rendering that the likely use for the burbs just the same. I’m more interested in the building but when you look for racial issues as you do, then you will find it.

    • the non diversity is completely obnoxious. unnecessary and I have to imagine that these Washingtonians who own this development company HAD to have noticed the lack of diversity. It’s small and distracting and sad, so says a black person who lives nearby and can’t wait to see that intersection cleaned up and the whole scene completely changed.

  • The rendering is also missing the busses and stoplights, but no one is complaining about the lack of traffic control….

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