One Perspective: “If you want to see why crime is skyrocketing, I strongly encourage you to watch this video.”

“Dear PoPville,

If you want to see why crime is skyrocketing, I strongly encourage you to watch this video. According to a friend, the first three officers who arrived on scene were placed in “non-contact status” as a result of this, which means their guns and badges have been pulled and they’re on desk duty pending an investigation. This is required by policy whenever force is applied. But, that means three more officers off the street, not responding to calls or patrolling.

The problem here, is not that the incident was videotapped. Having it video tapped was a good thing. The problem is that the city will never back up any of our officers and the crowd turned on them for responding to a call and then using force (the call btw, was for a man allegedly on PCP). What type of a message does it send to pull these three off the street for responding to a call and trying to do their jobs with the least amount of force possible? The officer at the end, who threw the knee, was responding to having been bitten! Why would anyone want to do this job? The lesson is that next time, unless someone is actually being harmed, the same officers may choose to play it safe and simply drive by.

I strongly encourage all to call the Mayor’s Office and express support for these officers, given they put themselves in harms way to protect the city. The incident happened on the 5100 block of Cloud Place in Northeast.

Mayor’s Office
1350 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20004
Phone: (202) 727-2643
TTY: 711
Email: [email protected]

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  • You don’t mess around with people on PCP. 4 officers isn’t excessive at all because that drug turns people into maniacs. If you don’t like police then don’t call them to your neighborhood. Then see how much better things get for you.

  • This is exactly what officers should be doing. People like that guy are a menace to our community, just ask Kevin Sutherland. These officers should be rewarded for their hardship.

  • i might agree with your post if it weren’t for the fact that crime is on the rise nationwide and that these policies have been around for years.

  • I’m not sure what the bystanders would have had the police do in this situation. The guy is clearly out of control, a danger to himself and the surrounding property. Seemed like a pretty reasonable arrest to me.

  • “…they’re on desk duty pending an investigation. This is required by policy whenever force is applied. But, that means three more officers off the street, not responding to calls or patrolling.”

    I’d hope it doesn’t work that way — there are always cops on desk duty, doing necessary desk work. When some are doing that, I’d think others are moving away from desk duty to take up the slack.

  • I support the actions of these police officers, but I also support MPD for investigating. If this person was on PCP, then it is likely that a taser or even bullets wouldn’t have stopped him. This will come out in the investigation, I’m sure. But things like this should be investigated. When they are not investigated, then it’s easier for those who use excessive force willfully to slide by.

    • Thanks for the very rational post. I think it’s fair to have a policy of investigating use of force cases. The (strict) alternative would be not reviewing use of force, and I think that’s clearly unacceptable.
      Leaving officers armed and on duty while a review is pending would be irresponsible. If anything, I’d petition/pressure to expedite the process of review (i.e., ensure review staffing levels and processes are adequate).

  • This is the kind of policing you want in your community? The second police officer was literally on top of the guy on the ground and rather than using his free hand to grab his handcuffs, he decided to start punching him in the head. And just to make it worse, once there are FIVE POLICE OFFICERS on one guy, they start kicking him in the head.

    This is sickening. I seriously doubt that any part of their training involves punching or kicking suspects.

    • Umm yeah I think i’d rather have the cops do what they need to do to get a guy like this under control than have him out there posing as a dangerous threat to the neighborhood.

    • HaileUnlikely

      Next time you take the guy on PCP down and restrain him and show them MPD officers how it’s done.

      • He was down and significantly outnumbered – kicking a restrained man in the head serves no purpose.

        It’s not my job to teach MPD how to do their job. This is why they are supposed to be trained officers. Again, kicking a restrained man or punching him in the head is clearly not part of their protocol, which is why they are rightfully no longer on the street.

        • Accountering

          I have no problem with them using force against someone resisting. You can disagree, but you are wrong. The safety of police (he bit them) is much more important to me than the safety of the guy actively fighting the police.

          • Force (i.e. throwing him to the ground, pinning him to the ground, using their batons) is obviously necessary and part of what the police have to do on a daily basis when dealing with these types of situations.

            Kicking someone in the head while four officers pin him to the ground does not fall under that umbrella, and obviously MPD agrees with me on this since they took the officers off the street so maybe it not just a matter of you’re right and I’m wrong, thanks.

          • Did you read the post? “This is required by policy whenever force is applied.” So umm no…they were taken off the streets because it’s MPD policy.

          • It’s not standard practice.
            Absent allegation of misconduct, use of “deadly force” such as a firearm or deliberate strike to the head with a baton, or severe injury to the person such as a broken bone, most officers are not pulled from duty. The investigation is done and they remain on the street.

        • They might have him down but how do you know if he’s still not struggling trying to get free

          • Accountering

            I watched the video, he was VERY ACTIVELY struggling and resisting. The moment they had him in cuffs, and he was no longer a threat, they let him be (as they should)

        • He bit the officer near the end. That risks all sorts of infections, Hepatitis B and C, among other diseases. If I had someone on the ground and they punctured my skin with their mouth I’m not just going to lightly move their head away or let off.

          • Yes, let them do their jobs and stay safe while keeping us safe from drugged up nut jobs like this guy. It isn’t always pretty but seriously how would you rather them handle this? I agree 100% with their actions.

        • HaileUnlikely

          At the point when the second officer was throwing punches and the third had not yet arrived, the first two officers were clearly unable to control the man’s arms and position them behind his back. Note that even after the punches, they still were unable to gain sufficient control of his arms to even try to cuff him, and didn’t even try until the third officer arrived. Not even the guy filming seemed too bothered by the officers punching him, as he was still joking that the officers were “weak as sh!t” and saying something about the police “need to bring in a whole army” to control the guy.
          This guy was clearly out of his M*F* mind. Later in the video, while there are four officers on him, notice that he bangs his own head into the ground two or three times. The officers were not doing anything to his head at that point, this was a very strong crazy person high on drugs slamming his own head into the ground.

        • Unbelievable! How do you propose then that MPD should have handled this situation? The second cop is “literally on top of him” because clearly its takes multiple officers to subdue, and then arrest him. And furthermore, 5 officers end up on top of him, again because its clearly difficult to get him under control. They don’t know if he’s armed, or what the situation is, so naturally their first goal is to subdue him to ensure he doesn’t cause anymore harm. I guess if you were there, and handling the situation, you’d nicely ask him to stop, and when he didn’t, you’d just walk on and let him be.

          • (I’m just going to put this here, but it seems like it could be almost anywhere in the comments)

            Isn’t the point that there will be a review process to determine whether the force used was inappropriate? So while many are debating whether or not it was… that’s exactly what the review process will determine.

            Would we want there to be no review process when force is used? Would we want officers under review to be armed and on duty while the review is pending?

            If the system works, officers using appropriate force will be back on the beat – presumably the more clearly appropriate the force, the faster they’ll be back. If we want to discuss how to make sure the review process is fair, thorough, and fast, that’s something I’ll call people about.
            But I’m not about to call and raise my voice simply because a review process is part of policy. That only seems responsible.

      • I’m usually not a police apologist, but you hit the nail on the head there.

    • Accountering

      Yes, this is the kind of policing I want. When someone is this out of control on drugs, I want the police to stop them from hurting themselves or others.

    • Next time you see a guy freaking out on PCP try to calm him down with your words.

      • Arguments like this are idiotic. Police should be trained BETTER than the normal person on the street. I would react poorly to this situation because I am not trained for this.

        Force was required here, and probably more than for a normal person, sure, if the guy was on PCP. But this just looked like it was sloppy. Going in with batons rather than using techniques to subdue the suspect first looked like amateur moves. Then punching him repeatedly rather than trying to grab an arm or a leg was ridiculous.

        The police are not the worst people in the world here. They should not be thrown in jail. But they have to be trained to do a better job than this.

        • Lol and your argument is better? You should’ve stopped your comment with “I am not trained for this.” You don’t have anything else to offer.

    • Before I started this job I assumed it was going to be that easy. But I can tell you first hand, trying to handcuff a 100 pound woman, high on PCP, it took a bunch of officers. Or the time we had a naked man with cuts all along his legs walking down a Main Street bleeding every where. Just because there are a ton of officers doesn’t mean it will be easier. Even someone not high and that doesn’t want to go to jail, his or her adrenaline is running, normally much higher then the LEO’s because he or she is about to lose something….freedom. (Well for the night after the USAO’s or Judges let them out the next day. Haha.)

      Also, in regards to “desk duty”, once you’re put on “non-contact” you are not allowed any interaction with co-workers (police) or citizens. So if these guys are even at work they’re sitting in a back room doing nothing. More than likely they’re not even at work. (I don’t know the officers in the video so I can’t be sure) But at any given time every district has officers out because of the investigations. It’s a great tool, but it leaves the working officers and community short handed. If the city, and public wants to keep this system in place, hire more officers. But they can’t even keep the ones already employed by MPD here.

      • Thanks for dealing with the stupid crap that this city throws your way. While people jump on you guys all the time for small errors or blanket you with bad cops, just know that there are plenty of people who support the boots on the street!

        • As long as that boot is on a black guy’s neck amirite!?!?!
          More to the point. That policy isn’t stupid at all you just have to think for a moment.
          Say one of these cops shoots an unarmed family member of yours tomorrow and yesterday they maybe used excessive force, maybe not. But your family member is dead and the cop who shot them was just involved in an incident the previous day and was allowed back at work prior to an investigation. How long would it take you to call an attorney and sue the police dept? Would you be brown nosing police then? Would it matter that most cops are good? Then when the whole police force supports this bad apple what does it matter if they are “good” when they help the bad ones get off the hook and stay on the street brutalizing people?
          You can’t just assume they were correct in their actions because they are cops just like you can’t just assume priests won’t touch your kids cuz god. Some people actually go into professions with power with the goal of abusing that power.
          Blind support for police is support for dirty cops. The only issue with supporting police with conditions is that no one really wants to see how sausage is made so I’m not really sure transparency is the answer. There is a lot of correct police activity that is horrible to watch even when there isn’t abuse. I’m not sure how to properly hold police accountable but I don’t think it is body cams. We could start with a police dept or two throwing some of their bad cops under the bus when they get busted rather than blindly supporting them through their bogus criminal investigations which never amount to anything.

          • Agree there needs to be a system of checks and balances (and not blindly supporting officers regardless of behavior), but disagree with your race-baiting intro.

          • Spare us the race baiting. 99% of crimes in DC are committed by one demographic, so of course they show up in all of the videos.

          • Nice try, the race baiting is old my friend. Unfortunately, a huge majority of the crimes committed in this city are by that demographic so there will undoubtedly be a disproportionate amount of knees on CRIMINALS’ necks. It is not pretty but when you commit a crime or resist arrest they need to take you down and apply techniques to control the situation.

      • Linc Park SE

        drug strength is no joke

      • Hopefully this question will be answered by the same MPD officer (MPD ANNON2):
        Why did the officers punch the guy in the head after they first got him down to the ground?
        I realize that subduing a crazy dude on PCP is extremely difficult, and I don’t want to second guess these officers like an ass, but this action didn’t seem to make sense to me. As someone noted above, wouldn’t it have been better to try to get control of him (arms behind back), then punch him in the face (if this guy is totally f—-d up on PCP, head punches may not do much good). It was also not clear what exactly the one officer did to the guy’s head while he was on the ground. It looked like he might have kicked the guy in the head while he was being restrained by the other officers. Couldn’t that be a bit excessive? If he did kick the guy in the head, what purpose/function does that serve?
        I realize that police need to use force to restrain suspects, and sometimes that force is going to involve bodily harm to the suspects, but it seems to me that several of the actions in this video could be interpreted (rightly or not) as behaviors meant to harm the subject and not subdue him. So, I guess my question is, from the police point of view, is this really how the guy should have been handled? I think most of the actions in this video looked legit (use of batons, forcing man to ground, multiple officers to restrain suspect, etc..) but is punching a guy in the head part of proper police procedures/training? I realize there is a fine line between the police doing everything they can to subdue a dangerous suspect and also not harming the suspect, but I can also see how different people could come to different conclusions after watching this video.
        P.S. I hope the officers who were bitten are ok, and I’m glad they got that dude off the street.

        • Okay so you asked A LOT of questions I’ll try my best to answer all of them.

          Use of closed fists strikes to the head and or kicks to the head. Will always look bad, especially in today’s era of policing. All officers know that. So with that being said, I believe if the officer uses those strikes they are warranted.

          But, now to the “meat” of the question. When someone is high, especially one PCP, they rarely listen to verbal commands. Once the officers had this guy on the ground, he’s still kicking, spitting, moving his hands, and biting/trying to bite officers. The strikes to the head are distraction strikes. Because high or not if you or I were getting hit in the head you’d go “why is this happening?” You’ll start protecting your head and the kicking, biting, squirming and holding your hands under your body will stop. Which in turn will make it easier for the officers to grab his hands and place him in handcuffs.

          Now most of the time when a suspect isn’t high, the officers will use distraction strikes to the thighs, calfs, or arms for the same effect. So whatever the suspect is doing, that officer doesn’t like (hiding his hands, laying on his hands, ext.) will stop.

          Now every case is different and sometimes strikes to the head are for defense measures. But since the guy was on his belly, still kicking, biting, and everything else they were distraction strikes. In the beginning of the video when he is hit with a ASP (baton) on his legs they barely phase him. So the distraction strikes to his leg (with the officers fist and legs) wouldn’t help the officers gain the end goal. The suspects hands in hand cuffs.

          Does that help?

          • I forgot this question.

            Yes, I do believe the officers acted corridingly and did NOT break any policies or laws.

          • from your experience — would AG consider this type of arrest a “non-violent drug offense”? Does the response while impaired have any impact on decision to prosecute. The resisting arrest and assaulting officers would seem to put this in a more serious category whether the perpetrator is high or not.

            Is this guy really catch and release?

          • Anon MPD, thank you for this response. Your explanation of the punches as distraction strikes is really helpful. If you wouldn’t mind answering another question: Are MPD officers taught to use joint locks and pressure points to obtain compliance? Their use certainly looks a lot nicer than punches, so I would think it would help from the PR point of view. Again, thanks for providing such detailed responses.

          • Thanks Annon MPD2 for the prompt and reasoned replies. I can buy the use of “distraction strikes” as being an effective method of restraint. I think it’s hard for someone who doesn’t have the experience with this stuff to accurately gauge what is appropriate or not. I know the police have a very, very difficult job. I’d like to thank the MPD for catching the guy who shot/murdered someone a block away from my house this week (the Sherman Ave shooting). Now that being said, can the MPD do something to address the real safety scourge in DC (Maryland drivers)?

          • Thanks for the work you and your fellow officers do!

        • What good does getting your handcuffs out do if you can’t force the guy’s arms behind his back to be cuffed? Then you just lose a hand to restrain him. It seems to me the punching was likely in the effort to get him to loosen up so the officers could get his hands behind his back.

          • I honestly don’t have a clue about the AG question. But my ASSUMPTION is he would be considered a non-volient drug offender. But again, that is above my pay grade and I don’t have any idea.

            I do know that years ago MPD trained officers on pressure points and joint locks. But they don’t train those tactics anymore. The reason being, they’re very technical and if they’re used incorrectly have a great chance of breaking a bone, joint, or what not. Also, it’s easier to teach everyone how to punch and kick. But just because it isn’t taught doesn’t mean it is against policy. For instance, I was a wrestler and my techs would be deemed “okay”, and have been okay in some situations I have used them in.

            More than likely this guy is on the street as we speak. Sunday night, I was apart of an APO arrest where the defendant assaulted eight, yes eight police officers. I saw the defendant Monday night walking around.

            Not sure about the last question. But one officer has the cuffs out, with one hand free, while the others try to wrestle, distract or what not to get those hands on his back. If you get the hands there and there are no cuffs out, those seconds could account of an officer to lose the hands and the process starts all over again.

          • Also wanted to add, pressure points and joint locks wouldn’t work for a person high on PCP. They would feel the pressure points and they would force themselves out of a joint lock, resulting in damage done to their joints.

      • Would you have kneed the guy in the face? I think the punches were probably on the right side of the line but the knee was across the line.

    • Yes – in my view they used an appropriate level of force. The guy appears to be on drugs and resisting arrest, what should one expect when doing that? It’s very easy for us to watch the video and say “this punch was excessive, etc” but when adrenaline is going and this guy is out of control, as long as they follow the appropriate level (hand and batons, not guns), I’m supporting them.

    • Have you seen what a person on PCP can do?

  • the biggest crime here is shooting the video in portrait mode.

  • Aren’t they doing what many have called for police around the country to do? People have said they didn’t have to shoot him, they could used a taser, a baton (like they did here), etc. This wasn’t excessive–no it’s not pretty, but it happens and the man is off the street, but still alive.

    • I would hope we live in a society where we can hold the cops to a better standard than not killing every person they attempt to arrest.

      • Accountering

        I agree, I think most here (except you apparently) think the cops used an appropriate amount of force against a large man on PCP.

        • Again, I’m not alone in this since the MPD agreed and took them off the street.

          • Again, you don’t understand how MPD works. They’re on desk duty because force was used!! Any time force is used (justified or not) police are put on desk duty–very common in police departments.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Work on reading comp. About a dozen people above, including a police officer, have explained that every single [known, documented] use of force requires the officers to be put on desk duty and investigated regardless of whether there is any suspicion or belief that the force used was inappropriate.

          • No need to be nasty HaileUnlikely, I didn’t see the comment above until after I posted.
            Force should be investigated and I’m glad that MPD does that regardless. I still seriously doubt that punching and kicking a person that is pinned to the ground is part of police protocol or training.

          • HaileUnlikely

            That fact was included in the original post and in numerous comments above. You didn’t see it because you were too busy blindly attacking to freaking read anything that anybody else said. That is why I got nasty.

          • I was engaging with someone’s comment and was in no way attacking anyone. I watched the video in full and I do not agree with that type of force – I am entitled to my opinion and it’s clearly shared with many others across the country as we continue to have conversations about the way our communities are being policed.

          • Accountering

            Not sure if you read below, but multiple MPD officers have indicated that punches are within their use of force continuum, so these officers were in the right here. I think what we have learned here is that if you don’t do PCP and fight the police, the police won’t hit you with batons and punch you.
            I know there are people who want every use of force interaction with police to make some sort of case for police brutality. This is just a terrible example to be used.

      • justinbc

        I would hope we live in a society where we don’t allow idiots to take PCP and potentially kill themselves or others, but them’s the breaks. People like this serve zero purpose to society and will continually be a drain on its resources.

        • Closed fist strikes and kicks are allowed in our USE OF FORCE (assumption every where else too) to help have the person being arrested placed in handcuffs. Honestly, my question is, if the person won’t give their hands up to be put in handcuffs, regardless of them being high. How are we suppose to get their hands? Ask nicely until they oblige? In this video the guy is laying on his hands. He’s already been a threat and fighting officers, so how do they get his hands?

          • You could cuff or zip-tie his ankles. What’s he going to do if he can’t get up/ stay up?
            (I don’t have strong feelings about this case, but it seems obvious to me that policing would benefit from a little creativity and conscience. I see a lot about what is “allowed” (not what is right) and how it’s got to be full-on lawlessness, or full-on assault, and no grey area imaginable.)

          • @wdc – I suppose that might work in some situations, but here? No chance. Did you watch the video? The two cops barely were able to control the guy with both of them holding his arms, and he was still resisting. If one of them has decided to zip-tie his ankles, he’d likely have been able to get at least one arm free.
            Look, this is very simple. If you resist the police, they will use force to subdue you, and if you continue to resist when they have you on the ground, you can’t be surprised if you get punched. And, at the risk of wading into an old quagmire, if you run from the police, you can’t be surprised when they chase and tackle you.
            If it isn’t obvious, I have absolutely no problem with any of the officers’ actions here.

          • And then what, wdc, leave him in the road until he apologizes? As long as his hands are free he’ll fight them from taking him away. Also ugh, “full on assault’ I don’t think you know what that means (felony).

            Props to cops!

          • It was a somewhat silly suggestion offered up to this helpless “What else can we DO??” attitude. I believe there are very few situations where the maximum force allowable by law is the minimum force required. I think it’s usually the other way around, or closer to it. I do think there are a lot of cops who will take it to the limit, every time, regardless. I do not say that THIS is one of those times. But the cop in SC (actually, a bunch of cops in SC lately) most definitely fits that description.
            No, I didn’t watch the video. Violence bothers me, even when it’s “just” some bum on PCP.

    • I Dont Get It

      I saw this on a local TV show and they said DC police do not have tasers. Is that true?

      • Apparently this is the case (which is weird in my opinion), but that policy is changing to allow certain officers to carry them…not sure why it isn’t any trained officer.

  • The dude filming is an absolute idiot, which seems to be the case with almost all of these videos. Such a joke that a dumbass like that can get right up in the cops faces with a phone and mock them while they are trying to do their job. He should be arrested too for obstruction honestly. I’m sure the country would be all up in arms about that too though.

    It sucks to be a cop these days, and I legitimately feel bad for most of them. Are there some bad apples amongst them? Sure. But the majority of these guys are trying to do their jobs and keep people safe. The PC Police seems to own the real police now, however. It’s a damn shame.

    • justinbc

      Yeah, you would have to pay me a lot more than what DC cops make to do that job. The thankless and overly critical audience that surrounds them grows larger every year.

    • When I watched this video yesterday I felt really bad for the MPD Officers. I think they did what they needed to do. The guy was clearly out of his mind and resisting. There was nothing that MPD could have done to satisfy this crowd. The instigators were looking for trouble. The guy/people that refused to move back should have been arrested also. Thanks MPD!!!

  • Accountering

    I have no issues whatsoever with what the cops did. Those guys should get performance bonuses.

  • “If you want to see why crime is skyrocketing, I strongly encourage you to watch this video. According to a friend, the first three officers who arrived on scene were placed in “non-contact status” as a result of this, which means their guns and badges have been pulled and they’re on desk duty pending an investigation. This is required by policy whenever force is applied. But, that means three more officers off the street, not responding to calls or patrolling.”

    I hope whoever sent this to PoP isn’t a union rep because it’s not standard procedure to revoke police powers in the event force is used. The officers are riding a desk because the usual BLM suspects are making some noise.

    And to the person who said punching people in the head is excessive- using punches to produce compliance is well within the

    • Sorry- early submission:

      Punches are well within the established use of force continuum that MPD uses and force can be escalated up and down based on the situation. For example- I may try to arrest someone and I’m using hand controls and cuffs, but if were to start resisting (i.e. refusing to give me his other hand, try to escape, pulling his arms away) I can escalate to a higher level of force (i.e. pepper spray or limited strikes to the body if I can’t get my spray) in order to place the person under arrest. In this video, they stopped striking the subject with their batons and only did a few strikes in order to try to get compliance.

      The moral of the story is that policing is messy and so is the use of force. This kind of case is a perfect example of why we should have been issued tazers a long time ago, like many of the other agencies in D.C..

  • I don’t have a problem with that sort of force to cuff someone obviously out of his mind on hallucinogens. One question I have is whether it is generally advantageous to immediately take down one of these guys. What’s the disadvantage in a more prolonged standoff where he could potentially settle down (or, conversely, run or pull a gun, etc.)? What’s the protocol?

    Also, the most atrocious part of the video is how some of the “bystanders” acted.

    • SusanRH

      To me it looked like they were willing to wait until he started to bash the car.

    • I actually had the same question, whether there is an advantage to trammelling the subject into some side street or something and just letting the high wear off, or if it’s just too risky / time-consuming / impossible to predict, etc.?

      • Do you have any idea how common this is? Mod would constantly have most of the force sitting around watching people come down from pcp. Plus having 5 cops watch you freak out is not somehow going to diffuse the situation.

        • It was just a question, jeesus.

          • PCP highs can last any where from 8-24 hours.

          • Thank you for your answer, Annon MPD (2). In that case, yes, certainly I guess waiting around wouldn’t make a lot of sense. I just wonder if there are more creative solutions that would keep people – cops, the insanely high, bystanders, etc – safe without necessarily having to jump right to intense physical confrontations / combat. Also, thanks for your service. I’m admittedly skittish of cops (despite having never done anything that could be construed as illegal!), but I do appreciate those who try to keep us safe and make a better community.

        • My question wasn’t about sitting around for hours to let the high wear off, it’s: what is the protocol on the graduation of violence?. From the video, one can’t tell how long the cop was there but it’s only about a minute in and the cops are pounding on the guy’s head. Is there an advantage in talking him down for a minute or two before forcing him to the ground with a billy club or is it better to immediately put him on the ground before he gets ideas to do something worse? There has to be some space between engagement and physically taking him to the ground, otherwise you’re dealing with someone simply reacting in surprise or perceived self-defense (particularly if they are inebriated). I saw this happen a couple years ago in another town with a drunk college student. Cops yelled “get on the ground” as they (even unexpectedly to me as a bystander) charged at him from 10 ft away and then tackled him. He fought back just out of surprise, not sure he even knew they were in fact real cops (and the cops beat his face in).

          • “From the video, one can’t tell how long the cop was there” you don’t know the answer but proceed to speculate on what the cops should or shouldn’t do.
            and did you hear the cop say multiple times “get down”?

          • Please re-read my comment. I did not “proceed to speculate on what the cops should or shouldn’t do.” I simply asked what the protocol is and what are the advantages and disadvantages to an immediate take down approach. As I mentioned in my first comment, I have no problem with the force applied. Yes, I did hear the cop say multiple times to “get down” but to be perfectly honest I have much less reason to be suspicious of cops than folks in this neighborhood and I wouldn’t instinctively do what they tell me.

  • Good to know that people here thinking punching suspects in the face does not warrant any investigation. I should tell my police officer friend working in an old world capital – where people are never high. Who knows, she may consider emigrating.

    • I don’t think most people here are opposed to an investigation to make sure the the officer’s use of force was appropriate to the situation; they are simply stating that from their perspective, it appears that the use of force was appropriate. Also, bullshit on your “old world capital where people are never high.”

      • The point is that if the person taking the video is not qualified to judge what amount of force was necessary, neither are the people commenting here. Anyway, the “where people are never high” part was a joke… it obviously isn’t the case and they deal with their share of crazy. I just don’t get the indignation about the plight of the officers displayed here. They’re not martyrs, they are on desk duty.

        • I agree they’re not martyrs, and I have no problem with them being on desk duty while an investigation is conducted. Especially if they’re still being paid. I do think it’s unfortunate, though, and I think this is some other folks’ concern, that this necessarily leaves the MPD further understaffed. That part is less than ideal.

    • Where is this capital?

  • Being taken down by the police is the least of this man’s problems.

  • Is there such a thing as uneventful use of PCP. You never hear of anyone doing PCP and passing out while listening to their favorite album or movie or even as small as calling an ex and jabbering on the phone. Its always going out of your mind in broad daylight, jumping off a building, running though a plate glass window. Then taking on about 4 cops. When will people stop doing this drug.

  • This video is sickening. The amount of ignorant disrespect being thrown at these officers from the nobel-prize winner filming this whole thing is astounding. They’re weak? Why don’t you put the phone down and try to do what they’re doing? Jackass. Being an officer in DC has to be one of the most thankless jobs these days, especially when you have to deal with ratchet citizens like that.

    • I think we are well on our way to outsourcing police work. Just like contacting fighters for combat I’m sure we will see a trend in the next few years of municipalities subbing out law enforcement work. Or we go to a Federal standard of policing. Interesting times to be a cop. If you play it right, you could get very rich on tax payer dime in the next few decades.


    I am a fourth Gen LEO and have already started looking for new types of employment.

    • that’s unfortunate — you sound like a thoughtful and intelligent officer who understands the complexity and challenges of the job.

    • Thanks for answering my questions above and for helping me better understand this situation.

  • These officers had no right to beat him whatsoever, and it’s sickening to hear that such excessive force is accepted by people in a supposedly “liberal” American city. Stop making excuses for illegal behavior.

    5 trained police officers could have subdued one man without beating him. If not, they don’t deserve to be on the force. Bad seeds like these give all police a bad reputation, and they need to be routed out.

    • Go wrestle a dude on PCP tough guy.

      • No thanks. That’s why I’m not a police officer. Anyone who chooses to be one swore to abide by the law and police policy. The three cops did not, which is why they are suspended.

        • They aren’t suspended. The incident is being investigated to determine *IF* there was any wrongdoing, and during that time, they’re on desk duty.

          • Which is routine procedure, nothing unusual about this kind of investigation

          • Wrong. The procedure is that police who use force must file a report, supervisor must be notified and an investigation initiated. Getting desk duty is not “routine procedure” as AE wrongly suggests.

    • Accountering

      You are just wrong. Basically everything you wrote is wrong. I re-read it, and the only sentence that isn’t wrong is the “Stop making excuses for illegal behavior.” With that said, this wasn’t illegal, and was well within the bounds of force police are allowed to use, so wasn’t “illegal” and as such, that comment is a non-sequitor, and we get back to everything else you said just being wrong, and pure nonsense.

      • It’s so “wrong” but you won’t say what’s “wrong.” In fact, by law, they had no right to beat the man.

        • Quote that law for us, Brett M.

          You had a combative individual placed under arrest that was not compliant. Next time you see an Officer not being proactive, pat yourself on the back and treat yourself to an ice cream cone.

          • You’re more than welcome to research on your own the police code as well as case law, but force is defined as “any physical contact,” and officers are prohibited from using more than the “minimum level of force that is necessary.” These people did not attempt to diffuse the situation without force as they are advised to do, and they continued punching and kneeing this person after he was subdued.

    • You are wrong. Props to the cops!

    • +1000

      people here seem to think that just because a layperson couldn’t deal with this individual, that the cops can use whatever means necessary to control him.


      I’m going to be that 99.9 percent of commenters have literally no basis for analyzing the acts here. Just because your gut thinks cops did what was right, doesn’t make it right. if you’d like to have a legitimately legal discussion about this, please, I’d love to hear it.

      Police officers do not have an easy job. I don’t think anyone would argue that. Their job is difficult and requires they have advanced training to deal with exactly these kinds of situations. But their training often creates a fear-based mentality; if I don’t subdue this guy, I’m not going to see my kids tonight. Rather than teaching responsible policing techniques, we’ve scared our nations’ police officers into brutalizing suspects. Some cops are bad, plain and simple. Others are just afraid. But that doesn’t make excessive force okay. Ever. I’m not commenting about what occurred in this video, I’m just saying that none of you are qualified to make that determination. And no disciplinary or legal action should depend on you thinking a cop’s job is hard.

    • pcp alters the human. It numbs all pain to them and therefore they reach that “super human strength”. Due to being numb from pain due to the drug, they no longer stop after feeling pain, therefore they go beyond the human threshold and by doing that they gain that extra strength which in turn damages there own body, cause they are going and exerting over their limit.

      When contacting a subject on pcp, from experience, if they don’t respond to the initial verbal commands, they get taken down immediately by as many officers as possible. If you F around with subjects in pcp and they get a hold of of you, it is very very very hard to break loose due to them not feeling any pain. This risks serious injuries to not only the police, but innocent bystanders.
      So for interest of public safety and the safety of all officers making contact, you engage these subjects on pcp in an aggressive manner and get them secured quickly and safely as possible.

      And if you wanna see how violent these subjects get on pcp, go to any hospital on a busy night and watch all the pcp users that the nurses and doctors have to deal with after police officer have to deal with them and take them to the hospital.

      Like I said I speak from experience, these MPD, aren’t beating this guy up, they are striking him to for lack of a better word, loosening him up, so they can secure his hands. We’re not gonna sit around wrestling this guy for hours trying to pry his arms behind his back. A few strikes cause minimal , usually no damage at all, and allow officers that chance for the subject to,loosen his grip or get distracted and then we are able to secure his arms, so he can be at a safe position for the people in the medical field to then treat him.

      Like I said, I speak from experience, I’ve seen officers get hurt and subjects on pcp get hurt when officers react to these subjects in a less than aggressive manner. We don’t go around looking to beat the shit outta people bro, these guys on pcp need a swift and proactive aggressive contact , so they can get secured and then get to the hospital to get the medical attention they need.

  • 1) As to the question of why so many officers: when someone is being forcibly restrained, having more people raises the odds that you’ll take them down successfully and that people won’t get hurt in the process. This especially makes sense for… 2) People on PCP, who are freakishly strong. Taking them down is never pretty. And he was not a small guy to begin with, so the police were probably having a harder time subduing him than it appeared. 3) The guy in their face with the camera was being a jerk and not helping the situation. 4) But I’m ultimately glad that the observers were there, because the officers knew they were being filmed and that probably had a hand in keeping things fairly under control. Checks and balances on anyone with as much power and public trust as the police get is not a bad thing.

    • I totally agree with you, especially about the checks and balances. You are 150% correct and I normally applauded the people that film is. But, this video is a perfect example of the officers, fighting some guy all jacked up on drugs and then getting verbally harassed by the on-lookers. Can’t we ever get a break? Haha. Like come on? Make fun of us after he’s in handcuffs? Lol.

      • The guy who was filming was being aggressive and obnoxious. Especially when they told him to back off-how does he think it’s OK to be right on top of an arrest in progress?

      • you don’t like being criticized on the job? find a new one. you should be able to deal with high pressure situations and unless you are in danger because of a crowd’s actions, grow up.

        • It was a joke, calm down. I was making fun that these officers were fighting someone while also being heckled. It was a JOKE, guess saracsim isn’t high on your list? But, cops can’t have a laugh and joke? We can all be robots then.

    • in combat the ground is where you go to die. the officers are trying to get a highly combative person into a submissive state and it’s not happening through logic and reasoning.

  • Just wanted to say I support the police in DC, people who dont have to fight for their safety daily dont get to critique what is a trained use of force. As any organization, there are people who arent doing things properly, but this is not the case. I wish more of the silent majority would come out and support the local police. I also wish that the newest council members would focus more on public safety, real sentencing, and less on making every thing be a political liberal v conservative issue.

    Time will tell, but its starting to seem like there is no leadership at the top of the MPD, lets get these men and women leadership that they can be supported by and therefore will be able to protect and serve to the best of their already high abilities.

  • I’m glad the MPD is investigating. If the force was justified, I hope the officers are cleared promptly. I strongly disagree with the histrionic response to the investigation and any suggestion that three officers riding a desk for a few weeks will cause a nation-wide spike in violent crime. We should hire more cops if we are short and put body cams on all of them.

  • The best part about all of this is that these people stood by and filmed. No inclination to assist, no inclination to step back and wonder why the police were there. This is the society we are a part of, Im willing to bet all of the people filming, complaining about the police and carrying on give little to no shits about the man being arrested, or the Police Officers in that video. Pull your head out of your ass people.

      • I stand by my assertion that the camera phone, facebook and YouTube have all made the world a worse place.

        • Yeah, because we don’t want the world to see white cops shooting unarmed black citizens or beating up high school girls in classrooms. Fuck off.

          • Ha- no not at all. Its created a “watch and film” instead of “do” society. Im pro body cam, btw.

          • Exactly. Because we all know how the story would have been different had the incident not been filmed.

          • Leaving the merits of filming police officers aside, I definitely don’t want bystanders jumping in to “assist” officers on a regular basis. That’s a recipe for disaster.

          • That’s awfully presumptive of a group of men you know nothing about other than they are cops and white. Now who’s racist?

          • BTW- my comment wasnt about filming the cops- go for it, these guys were talking shit to these guys, doing their jobs- not cool. Is it politically incorrect to just hate Facebook, Camera Phones and YouTube now? Probably a poor location for my hate of Social Media to come out. As for “Standing by and filming” thats a larger commentary on just about everything in our society today- we all stand by and film the slow motion car crash and do nothing to help.

  • Pros to cops who do their job the right way but kneeing the guy in the head while he was restrained was excessive. Instead of taking sides, I hope we (cops and communities) can come together to develop solutions and not point fingers (especially in the form of insinuating titles).

    • +1!

      • To the part about working together and not pointing fingers. I honestly don’t know if it was excessive or not, which is what the investigation is for.

    • Unless you are a trained police officer who was on site and aware of what was happening you are not qualified to say whether that’s excessive, since it’s allowed per their protocol.

      • Leaving the questions to the “trained professionals” is a fabulous idea. I’m sure they’re totally unbiased and would never take a colleague’s side over that of a perp, if they were “aware of what was happening.”
        No seriously. Seriously?? Citizens aren’t allowed to question police actions? Can you hear what you are saying? Can you not SEE how slippery that slope is??

  • Entirely aside from the force used — the thesis of this post from the Mayor’s Office (unsigned) — “If you want to see why crime is skyrocketing” — is faulty, on two levels. First, crime is not “skyrocketing”. Robberies, for example, are only 3% higher than last year. Second, police on random patrols are notoriously ineffectual at preventing actual crime, for the simple reason that the guys who do crimes — burglaries, robberies — wait until the uniform, or the squad car, is out of sight.

    The police would have you believe that they’re really great at preventing crimes. Unfortunately, they are not. Disorderly behavior, as in this incident, sure. But actual, criminal crimes? No.

    • The original poster meant in the title: “Black Lives Matter Movement is Bad for Police; Support Your Friendly Police Officer So He Can Beat More Unarmed Black People to a Bloody Pulp.”

      Stupid YouTube and camera phones.

      • BLM is bad for everyone except for politicians and t-shirt manufacturerers. It’s part of the “I can shout louder than you” society we are now doomed by.

    • this — I also disagree with the dichotomy posed in the OP’s post and you summed it well. Increase skyrocketing, and this is less about crime than protecting public safety — sadly that includes the dude tripping balls on PCP.

    • Disorderly behavior? A freaked out guy on PCP is a bit more than that, just ask Kevin Sutherland. These officers used the minimum amount of force possible to stop the immediate threat this individual posed to the public and to themselves. If you want a community without police, by all means ask for that in Mt Pleasant, the rest of the city that’s plagued with violence will take your extra police.
      And as is obvious from the post, genius, the letter is from an individual who is seeking other to write the mayor. Not the mayor herself.

    • This posting is not from the Mayor’s Office. It’s asking people to write _to_ the Mayor’s Office.
      The title also comes from the OP, and is set off in quotation marks accordingly.

    • I’d like to point out that smashing a car is not disorderly behavior, but is in fact a crime (destruction of property).

    • From today’s Washington Post story on the increase in armed robberies: “Gun holdups have soared in Ward 6 — which includes Capitol Hill and Navy Yard — to 140 this year, compared with 92 at this point in 2014. Across the District, those attacks have risen to 996 from 887 at the same time last year.” Take the difference between this year’s number and last year’s, and divide by last year’s figure to see the percentage increase so far. It is much more than 3% and definitely fits the description of “skyrocketing.”

  • The guy making this video needs to be locked in a room with a pair of handcuffs and someone high on PCP. Tell him he can come out when he gets the handcuffs on the guy.

  • Looks like good policing in the face of very poor citizenship by people who want to keep their neighborhood lawless.

    • Bingo.

    • I live in this neighborhood, about 2 blocks away, and I can tell you the people who live there have been working for years to make this area safer. There is one of the cities last open air heroin markets less then a block form this spot. People here fully support heavy policing here and have been advocating/ demanding it for years. I’m going to wager a bet that the people you hear heckling the cops are the drug addicts walking to or from the heroin market.

  • I’d say the knees to he face at 2:47 were unnecessary but that most of the rest of the interaction was ok.

  • 1) The use of force seemed justified and appropriate. The suspect was clearly a danger. Sure, the effort to subdue him was messy. We can 2nd guess from the comfort of our computers about whether the punches were 100% necessary. But, when viewed in the larger context of a dangerous real time situation the totality of their actions seem appropriate.
    2) A mandatory “use of force” review is a good idea, so long as it is done in a timely manor. It provides a check against excessive force and allows a cool down period for the police officers. Thanks to the video, this ought to be an easy call.
    3) The officers ought to be commended for ignoring the heckling of the cameraman. Very professional.

    4) Some people will reflexively defend cops and some will reflexively attack them regardless of the facts. The SC school video and this video are pretty nice companion pieces for identifying those people.

  • This video saddens me. That people would see this as the police doing something wrong. To me, they were justified and the worst part is just listening to the idiot that is filming this egging the whole thing on. What on earth has become of this city?

  • right, because punching the guy in the face/upper body repeatedly (watch 1m5sec-1m40sec in the video) is “necessary force.” if the suspect were white and acting this way, I highly doubt these officers would have felt it “necessary” to react like that. obviously the guy was being aggressive and violent, but there’s a middle ground here. glad the officers are on non-contact duty for now, although I’m sure they’ll be back out there soon. thanks MPD for protecting us all

  • Additionally to my last comment, I don’t know if this guy was arrested, I’m 90% sure he wasn’t, but just to let y’all know, the majority of police encounters with people on pcp, they end up getting handcuffed and sent to the hospital for treatment.
    They’re not arrested and there are no charges filed. Like I said, this is usually the majority of the time.

    I’m addressing the numerous comments I’ve seen assuming this subject was arrested.

  • Umm, what does this situation have to do with the increase in crime?

    Police don’t prevent crime, they are to respond to crime when it happens. That’s what happened here and I agree with the policy of putting police on desk duty after use of force while the cases are processed. One to give the officers time to recouperate after a grueling day on the job and two, to ensure force was used properly.

    Policy and proceedures like these are among the reasons DC MPD is not at the top of the list for police violence (see:

    I think it would be a mistreatment to expect an officer who has been bitten (i.e. injured) to report to duty on the street immediately where he or she could be further injured.

    It doesn’t look like the department isn’t supporting these officers. It’s just the bystanders who aren’t supporting. So I really don’t see the point of overturning an effective policy just because you interpret bystanders complaining as MPD not supporting the officers. MPD is following policy.

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