Another Shooting at 6th and O St, NW around 9:30pm


From MPD:

“The third district is investigating a shooting that occurred at 6th and O St., Northwest

Anyone with information is encouraged to call the Metropolitan Police Department on 202-727-9099.”

@RyanSPowers tweets us the photo above:

“Multiple shots fired again at the corner of 7th & O St NW”

@jrmindc tweeted us:

“@PoPville Drive by 7th and N NW DC. Kid dying on the sidewalk. Police on scene.”

Readers email:

“Three people reportedly shot at the park on o between 6 and 7 massive police presence.”


“Another shooting at 7th and O Street NW.

Multiple shots fired. O street is shut down between 7th and 6th.

It’s becoming the normal on O Street.”


“We heard a series of gunshots from our apartment at City Market at O and went onto the roof to see heavy emergency personnel presence (fire truck, ambulances, police). Residents on the roof say it was a drive by and one man was down on the ground and taken away.”

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  • It’s a war zone over here, people! I blame all those City Market lawyers with their cute dogs.

    • Trust me there are a few in the neighborhood who blame that EXACTLY…

    • I only blame them for having no clue about the neighborhood they moved into.

      • Accountering

        This doesn’t make any sense. The people who moved into a neighborhood with no clue there were shootings, are somehow responsible for the shootings? Is that the argument you are really trying to make?

        • So did they think the shooting were going to all of a sudden stop because they moved there? If it is a concern now- it should have definitely be a concern before moving(as the data is there) that this area always been troublesome. It’s one thing it never happened before, but that’s hardly the case here.

        • No. The argument I made is exactly what I wrote: I only blame them for having no clue about the neighborhood they moved into. I blame their ignorance on them. Obviously, as the OP suggested via sarcasm, they cannot be blamed for shootings they have nothing to do with.

          • i’d bet most of them knew what they were getting into, but of course there are always a few oblivious types.

      • Not sure when all these folks would have moved in exactly, but until a few months ago, this spot was not the site of these regular shootings.

        • Nah, it’s always been like that. I’ve lived here my whole life. It’s the intersection for 3-4 gangs with long standing….disagreements.

  • ABC 7’s report on this was interesting – Richard Reeves said a shooting was very uncommon for this area….. where has he been all summer? I’m fairly certain this is VERY close, if not on the same block, to where a 30-something year old mother was shot in the head and killed instantly on Memorial Day in a drive by. Unfortunately, nothing about this is surprising, given recent events.

    • It’s not even ‘recent’ – this corner has always been trouble. I lived over on 5th from 2009 – 2013 and there were clockwork-like shootings happening then, and before 2009, and after 2013. I think there may have been some slightly quieter summers, but this is not at all new. It’s just that people are paying top dollar to live above this intersection now, so it’s becomes new to a certain segment of the population moving in.

      • Agree with nonamegame. I used to live a block or two West of there around 2009-11, and there were serious gang / violence issues.

        I thought they rooted out one of the major gangs around 2013 when construction of the O st market was going on. I guess there’s more.

        Anyone who thinks “It’s becoming the normal on O Street” has no notion of the history of that spot on O st.

        • So…Shaw residents should just be content with violence in the neighborhood because it has been happening for years? I think all residents should be upset that is happening? No?

          • I don’t think anyone said that. The point is that it’s been happening for a long time and isn’t “new”. Nothing more, nothing less.

      • Agree. I lived nearby from 2007-2013 and there has always been issues in that vicinity. Even the old Giant was dodgy. I once saw a snatch and grab in the check out line. Not sure why developers thought it would make a great place for ultra-luxury condos.

      • Yes, but that was before all the shiny new apartment buildings and hipster bars went in. Don’t you know shootings just don’t happen near those kinds of places?

        • what’s the point of this snark? was the neighborhood better off run down and full of crack houses?

          • It’s more authentic and vibrant, yes.

          • It’s definitely better off, but simply putting in more expensive buildings won’t make crime go away. People seem to think that because there are fancy apartments and expensive restaurants, the neighborhood must be perfectly safe (I have a few friends who live near here and are clueless when it comes to local crime). It takes a lot more than expensive real estate and both law enforcement and local residents need to get involved.

          • Accountering

            Authentic? Vibrant? Does authentic mean people shooting each other with little police response to you? Does vibrant mean open air drug markets? If those are your ideas of vibrant and authentic, I couldn’t be happier that the city is changing away from what you prefer.

      • I used to live a few blocks west from 08-13. Never had any issues. SWF that walked my dog along N and O street (east to NJ/ first st, back down P) all the time. Maybe I was just oblivious, but all these posts about this area in the last few months seem like a surprise to me.

        • HaileUnlikely

          I was not the author of said snark, but a kernel of a point that I see in there is that there is typically minimal media coverage and zero outrage on PoPville when the same sh!t happens east of the river. The only big difference I see is that when it happens east of the river, wealthy people are less likely to get caught in the crossfire.

          • HaileUnlikely

            sorry, meant to post this as reply to anon’s reply to AG, one post above this.

          • i’m that anon, and i see that, but i’m not sure that’s what AG was getting at. to your point, i’m sure plenty do care about what happens east of the river, but at the end of the day sometimes it’s simply about the here and now and you just want to walk home without crime in your neighborhood.

          • I’m guessing there are fewer popville readers EOTR? I’d like crime EOTR to be reduced too, but I’m fare more inclined to complain about it publicly when it’s in my neighborhood. That’s pretty natural.

        • You’re lucky that you didn’t experience any issues, anonanon. I walked all over, and observed plenty from 09-13. I had no direct harm come to me walking around, but there was a shooting about a block south of me as I was walking up 7th and kids came flying by me as they were trying to escape the area in the aftermath. Someone did get hit. This was 2009. I frequently heard the distinctive pop of bullets over toward 7th when I had my windows open, and the sirens following not long after. I was frequently greeted with police tape walking up 5th, and would have to detour around 6th while carrying my heavy groceries from the Safeway. Shootings on one block were responsible. A few occasions, I’d come to my block to see cops searching around bushes and in trash cans – snatch and grabs and seeing if the perp dumped anything. Lots of drug use at 7th and P (which has been discussed here recently, but has been going on for years and years). I never had anyone bother me, except via verbal harassment – catcalls were plentiful. We did have a break in at the home I lived in during my time in Shaw, but who hasn’t in this town. What I wrote could describe many areas of DC – it’s not unique to this area of Shaw, but it’s amazing people are surprised that this area is like this – encountering this stuff while living there was just normal. Like someone else said, building uber expensive condos and knocking down the old Giant won’t all of a sudden make this slice of DC safe.

        • Yeah, I think you were oblivious or maybe not tuned into the community listservs, helicopters flying overhead with spotlight on, kleig lights after a shooting on a block, cop car parked in corner for 2 days, yellow Police Line do not cross ribbons. Yep, a bit oblivious.

    • this area is and has been a problem all year… from the shaw area list serve, shootings in or around this area this year:

      8/11: 6th and O
      8/9: 4th and M
      8/2: 7th and O
      7/2: 7th and N
      6/18: 5th and M
      5/25: 6th and N
      4/26: 6th and P
      4/20: 7th and O

      • Yeah, I don’t know where ABC7 was getting their info, but they clearly did little (if any) real research on this area.

    • It is on the same block and can remember roughly 20+ shootings within 500 feet of the incident over the decade I lived there.

  • This is extremely disconcerting. I have an agreement to move into City Market at O (thankfully the lease isn’t signed yet) and am seriously considering backing out. Sure, no where is 100% safe in the city; but this seems over the top. The property managers don’t seem to care very much either. If anyone lives there can you share your experience?

    • Well, where are you going to move? There have been shootings all over the place this summer, if not a shooting then stabbing. Yesterday some jerk stabbed a Macy’s employee while she tried to stop him from shoplifting. Though I do think there have been quite a few shootings in this exact area this summer.

      • HaileUnlikely

        Are you being deliberately dense? Somebody who is willing and able to pay CityMarket prices can live basically wherever they want, and there aren’t many other places in the entire city with this level of continuing violence. Cross those off the list and you’re left with about 95% of the city to choose from. (I am not necessarily advocating taking that approach to selecting your housing, but it is just plain silly to suggest that if one wants to live in DC, there is nowhere to go with lower incidence of violent crime)

        • “…and there aren’t many other places in the entire city with this level of continuing violence.”

          What hole are you living in?

          • HaileUnlikely

            I might have been a little bit loose with use of phrasing “not many,” but in all seriousness, one need not strain one’s brain too much to locate neighborhoods with dramatically lower incidence of shootings than a 2-3 block radius around the site of the shooting in question.

          • Almost all of the violence in this small area is specific to crews fighting each other. Most likely retaliations for something that happened long ago. As we’ve seen, bystanders can become victims, but it’s highly unlikely that you’ll be caught in the crossfire if you avoid the area directly south and east of CMO. I’d much rather live in this area than anywhere in Columbia Heights, H St. NE, or any of a number of other neighborhoods that also are experiencing a rash of violence.

        • Right, but someone who wants to live in Shaw probably isn’t going to want to live in Georgetown, Cleveland Park, or insert other nice, expensive neighborhood. My point is if they want to live here then other comparable neighborhoods are also experiencing crime!

          • Even living West of 14th Street you’re much less likely to be close to violence. There are plenty of downtown options that aren’t Shaw.

        • You realize that these people are consciously choosing to live there (mostly due to close proximity to the many law firms a stones throw away to the south and a plethora of trendy bats to the west), right? There’s a limited number of available units that tick off both boxes, not 95% of the city. No need to call folks dense if you haven’t thought this through completely yourself.

          • Thank you. And yeah, HaileUnlikely, your comment was rude and unnecessary. You could have asked me what I meant rather than calling me stupid.

          • HaileUnlikely

            By “deliberately dense” I didn’t mean “stupid,” I meant something roughly analogous to “choosing to ignore facts that I know you know,” not “stupid.” I’ll concede that it was rude, but I think asking the OP, “where else are you going to move,” as if to question the legitimacy of having some qualms about moving to a very expensive place with a whole lot of shootings right outside his front door, was unreasonable.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Thought it through plenty. It just depends what you value. Given that the OP expressed some qualms about moving here, it appears that he is open to considering other options.

    • I’m going to say this and immediately regret it but…

      99% of the crime around CMO occurs between rival “crews” (I gather that’s what they call gangs in DC?) and targeted beefs etc. Unless you’re loitering at the 7th and P bus stop or around the public housing between 6th and 7th on O, no one is going to go out of their way to bother you. This is the same in any city where you have block by block crime. I am a NYC transplant so it took some getting used to hearing “oh, that’s a bad block, steer clear” but such is life around here.

      I tend to stay west of 7th (that may change once a few of the new spots open along 7th), but my walk to Whole Foods on P and the nightlife on 14th is always pleasant. The blocks between CMO and Logan Circle are some of the most quaint blocks in DC, in my humble opinion.

      • Except for the random attacks on bikers within a block or two of there…

      • Except for the random bullet holes in CMO and cars around the area earlier this month…”targeted violence” is a nice phrase, but the people pulling the trigger rarely have the aim to back it up.

      • And you are 100 percent correct until one of these idiots miss and the stray hits someone…a little girl riding her bike was hit outside of 1330 7th about 8 years back in one of these incidents. The scary part is the crews are located within 2 block of each other – 5th and O and 7th and O (and another one at Lincoln Westmoreland 7th and R).

    • The violence on this block and surrounding blocks are cyclical. It seems to hit a high point and then level off for two years and then spike up. It’s mostly beefs between the 7th & O, 9th & O, and whatever the crews between the different housing projects call themselves. The annoying thing is how many don’t live in the area anymore, many of them still come back to the area to hang with old friends and “work”.

      I haven’t lived in the area in a 2 years, but it was last really hot back in ’08-09. But would flare up here in there in ’10 & ’11. It was quiet when I left, but quiet being no back to back shootings. – See “Evans Speaks at Mt. Vernon Square Neighborhood Association Meeting” The biggest thing was the beating death of Tony Hunter back in 2008 right across from the Giant on 8th & N.

      I think it’s risky to move into that spot, not because of the shootings but because of being robbed on the street. The shootings, are more “targeted”.

      • Unless someone misses their target and you get hit by a stray bullet.

        • that does indeed happen, but is extremely unlikely. if you’re going to live in fear, at least try to be rational about it.

          • HaileUnlikely

            I think it is reasonable to assume that the probability of being hit by a stray bullet is proportional to the frequency of the discharge of bullets in an area. And I think the memories of an innocent bystander being hit by a stray bullet basically right here are also fresh.

          • Accountering

            Well, I suppose so. Given the range of where a stray bullet can go though, and how small in relation you are, as well as the odds you would be caught in the crossfire (do you normally wander down O St on a Tuesday at 11:30pm? Your odds are essentially zero. How many people die of stray bullets in DC every year? 1 or 2?
            Being rational about fear is understanding that the most dangerous thing you do every day is drive a car, or cross the street. WAY more people are killed doing those activities than by morons doing targeted drive-bys.

          • and even where that frequency is the highest, you’re still better off worrying about getting hit by a car.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Be careful about generalizing global data all the way down to the local level. Nationally, on average, that is obviously true, but that does not make it uniformly true in every geographic place. More people have been murdered in DC so far this year than have been killed in car accidents in DC in the past 3-4 years combined. After subtracting out the murder victims who somebody might rationalize “had it coming” and also subtracting out the drunk drivers who killed themselves and nobody else, I suspect the number of “innocent victims” murdered *in DC* still dwarfs the number of “innocent victims” killed by cars *in DC.*

          • HaileUnlikely

            And regarding “wandering down O Street at 11:30 PM on a Tuesday,” it is not unheard of for me to walk home from the grocery store or the bus stop at 11:30 PM on a Tuesday. I choose to live nowhere the F* near there, though. I think it is reasonably rational to elect not to live somewhere with a high incidence of gunfire, which was the point under discussion here in the first place.

          • we’re not talking about murders, we’re talking about stray bullets. someone with more free time can run the numbers, but i’d bet there are more deaths from cars in dc than from stray bullets.

          • Wandering around O on a Tuesday night at 11:30? The shooting happened at 9:45–there were still people sitting outdoors at Beau Thai within sight of it. The odds of a stray bullet are much higher than you’d think.

          • Accountering

            You are simply not right. 52 pedestrians alone were killed by cars in the area in 2014. 10 of them in DC. The vast majority of murders in DC (and everywhere else) are tied to drugs, and domestic violence. Even the grusome family murder in upper NW was not random. Random murder victims are exceedingly rare – because even the stray bullet has to hit center mass/head to kill you. Plenty of people get shot and don’t die.
            How many truly random murder victims has DC seen this year? 2? Extrapolating 2014 pedestrian fatalities, we are at 7 or 8 pedestrians killed this year. That doesn’t include ANY car crash victims, and some of those Maryland drivers who keep flipping their cars presumably don’t survive.

          • Accountering

            It is rational to not live somewhere with a high incidence of gunfire, because it is scary and doesn’t improve your quality of life. People who move to the suburbs and start driving to work, as opposed to living in Shaw and walking to work, for “safety” because they are worried about being struck by a stray bullet, are not being rational.

          • mtpp: except it doesn’t actually happen very much.

          • HaileUnlikely

            Persons killed by stray bullets vs. persons who were the intended targets of said bullets are not differentiated in available data. The case of Tamara Gliss received a lot of media coverage because it happened *right here*, and the one at the bus stop in Southeast received a lot of coverage because she was a reporter and her employer wanted to give her proper recognition. I will admit that the percentage of shooting victims who were the intended targets of their bullets is probably pretty high, but it is not justifiable to assume that Ms. Gliss and the reporter in SE were the only unintended targets.

          • HaileUnlikely

            In any event, I’m not betting money on the number of “innocent victims” murdered being larger than the number killed in crashes in DC, but with the imperfect data that we have, it appears that they’re roughly the same order of magnitude, and thus that this isn’t the nonsensical question that you make it out to be. (note: I’m sticking to DC proper here – driving outside of DC proper negates the relevance of living in Shaw vs Cleveland Park vs. Fairfax). That is still talking about all of DC, and I think we can agree that risk is not even approximately uniform throughout all of DC.

          • This whole discussion misses the point. Regardless of whether you are likely to get hit living near gunfire is unpleasant. The negative effects of gun violence on individuals and communities are well documents in social and economic literature.
            Saying that someone is not “rational” because they choose to leave a community afflicted by gun violence despite the minuscule likelihood of being a victim themselves is not only condescending it’s completely wrong.

          • Accountering

            They ARE quite different. 2 so far this year. If there was a third, you would have heard about it. “Single mom killed by stray bullet walking to bus on way to nightshift” is a compelling story and you would have heard about it. I suppose it depends how you define unintended target… If you are hanging out on the corner with drug dealers, and you are killed in a driveby, you are the intended target.
            There were a total of 20 car crash deaths in DC last year according to the IIHS. I still maintain that an average year sees between 1-2 truly random murder victims in DC, but even if you said 5, you are still 400% more likely to die by car then by random gun shot.
            I suppose I see what you are saying though. If you back out all of the nice areas of DC that see zero homicides and still some car crash deaths, and strictly look at high crime areas, the numbers at some point likely tilt in your favor. If you live at 650 O St NW, your odds of being killed by a stray bullet are likely higher than in a car crash, perhaps significantly so.

          • yes, gunfire is bad and detrimental to the neighborhood. but no one was talking about that or about leaving the neighborhood. AG made it sound like getting hit by a stray bullet is a normal occurrence, and that’s very far from reality.

          • “if you’re going to live in fear, at least try to be rational about it.”

            “Being rational about fear is understanding that the most dangerous thing you do every day is drive a car, or cross the street.”

            These are both silly statements. It is absolutely rational to not want to live in neighborhoods with frequent gunfire. Also, rationally speaking, most people can’t avoid living their lives without driving cars/crossing streets, but they can try to avoid living in neighborhoods with lots of gunfire. But I think you both knew this already. I am curious why it seems so important to you to downplay the recent crime wave. Is it because you’re afraid your property values will drop? Or do you just want to suppress any fears for your own personal safety?

          • i’m a renter. this is all a result of one comment about a stray bullet, and me saying that it’s actually really unlikely that anyone gets hit by a stray bullet. yes, gunfire has all sorts of broader implications. yes, it seems we are in the midst of a crime wave. but my point was to not be afraid of the things that aren’t going to hurt you. fear is contagious, and it’s just as bad to stoke fear as it is to downplay the crime wave (which i wasn’t doing by the way).

          • “it’s just as bad to stoke fear as it is to downplay the crime wave.” I disagree. People becoming alarmed and consequently taking or demanding action can help to effect change. What does downplaying the crime wave get you? Ignorant bliss?

          • Accountering

            I agree it is rational to not want to live in a neighborhood with frequent gunfire. It is loud, it is scary, and it makes me uncomfortable. It is NOT rational to not want to live in said neighborhood because you are worried about stray bullets. It is something that virtually never happens (2/650,000 DC residents were killed by stray bullets this year.) It is somewhat like being afraid of sharks or lightning. It is not realistic that a shark will attack you, nor that you will get hit by lightning. More people hurt themselves on the toilet (by FAR) then getting attacked by sharks, hit by lightning, and hit by stray bullets, combined.
            In most all cases, moving to a further away location, with the corresponding increase in VMT and the resulting more sedentary lifestyle (hard to burn calories while driving) will put you in SIGNIFICANTLY more danger of losing your life than living in an area with occasional gunfire.
            Also, holy crap, if you think my stating these facts is downplaying the recent crime wave you are so off base. I think it is absolutely disgusting, and anything and everything should be done to stop this. I HATE the fact that there is random gunfire in my neighborhood, it does make me uncomfortable, and I agree crime is up. All I am stating is that I am not concerned about getting hit by a stray bullet, because when I worry about dying, it is heart disease, second hand smoke, and car crashes that actually have a chance of getting me, not some boogieman stray bullet.

          • 2 killed by stray bullets in 2 months. Odds are much, much greater than zero. Does it really take a poor kid getting shot while getting out of a taxi in the middle of the afternoon to see this?

        • Give me a break. You’re more likely to be struck by lightning or die in a plane crash. And MUCH more likely to die on the highway.

      • This is exactly right. The problem is beefing “crews” (crew = mini gang of a few people living in a particular housing project). It reached a high point a few years ago, and then the city really invested a lot in working through the problem with more intensive policing and other community-based anti-gang interventions and the problem subsided. Now it’s back. Seems like it’s time for another round of interventions! Let’s get to it Bowser/Lanier/Evans/Nadeau!

    • I moved into the building a few months ago. The building itself is wonderful, and I love being so close to good bars/restaurants, and only a short walk to 14th Street. However, the area has recently started to make me very nervous. One big plus for me was the ability to walk to and from work, but now I often uber because the crime news scares me. The building owners and the owners in the area need to figure something out or they’re going to have trouble filling their units.

      So I guess my advice would be, it’s still a great building, and I always feel safe inside the building, but know that you’re going to get uncomfortable walking around sometimes. Also, it’s important to consider that unfortunately the alternatives aren’t a lot better. If you were looking in Shaw, then I assume you like neighborhoods with character, and most other similar neighborhoods in DC have some crime problems. I was recently surprised to notice through research that 14th and U area has a lot more violent crime than Shaw. So unless you want to move to Georgetown (which isn’t a bad thing-just not typical for people who also wanted to live in Shaw), crime is just an unfortunate part of city life.

      Also, I’d be very curious to know if this summer has been more violent than normal, or if violent crime is just getting more attention after the terrible metro stabbing. (maybe something for Popville to write about).

      • Popville writes about this every single day….

      • It’s been more violent than the past several years, but much less violent than it was during several decades before that. We seem to be experiencing more violent crime on a national level as well.

    • I used to lived in the area for many years and finally moved out in 2008 (not by choice! the landlady sold the rowhouse for a pretty penny). That area has been a trouble spot for literally decades. I find the neighborhood now to be quite weird and manufactured – small plates, fromageries, beer gardens, and luxury apartments next to poor folks and projects.

      In any case, fret not, as others have said newcomers are very rarely victims of crime it’s mostly the poorer folks who are the victims. Also, those Section 8 buildings have contracts with the Housing Authority that will eventually expire (not sure when for these specific buildings), so pretty soon those troubled buildings will be sold to a developer and the whole neighborhood will be pretty much high end and homogenous.

    • You say “the property managers don’t seem to care very much either.” I’m curious to know exactly what you expect the property managers to do about gang crime in the neighborhood?

    • I’d love to have you as a resident in my district. You should check out The Colonel building.

    • As a current resident, I would advise against moving here right now. A bullet went through a 4th floor window a couple weeks ago, and it’s only by a miracle that no one was killed or injured. Residents have lost count of all the shootings & stabbings that have occurred right outside our doors in recent weeks. And, management is silent on it – they’ve sent out exactly one email about all this violence, and that was only because a bullet actually entered the building.

    • I would re-consider and move to Logan Circle or Chinatown. My friend lives in this building and really regrets it. She will be moving when her lease is up.

      • Agree with all of the above, but first I would call the leading company and tell them that you are reconsidering moving due to all the recent violence in the area. Bowser and Nadeau will start to respond when Bozzuto and JBG and other developers start pressuring them. Those companies won’t act until they start to see their occupancy rates and rent in jeopardy.

        • Most intelligent comment I’ve read on this thread… the JBG’s and Bozzutto’s of the world threw fund raisers for Bowser and council members, when their rents drop, concessions rise and occupancy drop they won’t hesitate to cash those chips in.

          • FWIW: I did call the OCM on-site management last week (after the last incident). They were less than helpful. “What do you want us to do about it” “We can only control what happens in the building” “Call the cops then.'”

            Understand, I wasn’t asking them to FIX the problem. I don’t think it is unreasonable to expect that a multi-million dollar property management company would be in contact with city leadership and law enforcement. Especially given the amount of violent crimes. Again, important to note I am not concerned with it here or there, but it is the relentless nature and lack of improvement.

            Bazzuto’s lack of concern and responsiveness doesn’t inspire a great deal of confidence.

          • west_egg

            @OP, I’d say there’s a big difference between the on-site management and Bozzuto corporate. I doubt the on-site people are paid enough to care. You’ll have to escalate if you want to get anyone’s attention.

    • I would move somewhere else. There are always going to be incidences of crime in up-and-coming neighborhoods like Shaw, Bloomingdale, Mt. Vernon, NoMa, etc and you will always have to be vigilant and smart. But City Market seems to be in the eye of the storm.

    • Back out, and do it now. At the prices they are charging you can easily afford something west of 13th Street – pick one of those buildings and never look back. Dupont is actually cheaper now than many of the new buildings in Shaw, and has all of the easy access to stores, restaurants, bars, and public transit that Shaw does, without all the murders and attacks and assaults and broken car windows and late night hookers. Anybody who signs a lease at City Market is a freaking idiot – pick your checkbook up off the leasing agent’s desk and run!

      • Agreed! Ultimately regretting the decision to move into CMO – but the good news is that even though I’m locked into my lease, I’ll soon have an interactive waterfall to drown my sorrows in when the next phase of the building comes in! Great to see that all those fees (amenity, pet, and bill processing???) are going to something that will surely benefit residents more than helping the community would!

    • I have many friends who live at O St. who go about their daily life perfectly fine. I’ve lived in DC most of my adult life and you would never catch me signing a lease at that building. I’ve known that area for far too long as an active gang collision course. There are plenty of safer and less violent places in DC to live (I’ve found many), some are even within walking distance of O st. residences. You need to decide where your comfort level is no matter what anyone else’s opinion on POP is.

  • This is a longstanding problem area in Shaw and $3K/mo+ apartments will not solve this. Kennedy Rec is TEEMING with gang activity and MPD can only do so much. Years back they would actually do their best to push the gangs out of the center but soon many of those being pushed out would scream “PD99” (citizen complaint of MPD harassment) if a cop came anywhere near them. So the MPD backed off.

    This is more of a DC Dept of Parks and Rec issue…they need actual police at the center as many of the fights seem to start out of nowhere and a simple 911 call will likely be too late. Off the top of my head this is about the 20th or so shooting in the last decade on that block…

    I remember one running battle where the bus shelter a block away was hit (7th and P) and it took a resident sending a picture to Lanier before the MPD actually showed up to the scene and admit it was from a shooting a block away. Back when the old Giant was still in operation I remember a 20+ shot incident in front of 1330 7th where a little girl was hit…

    Sad to say this but it is going to take someone in the City Market complex inadvertently getting shot before ANYTHING actually gets done about Kennedy Rec…the ANC has tried, Jack Evans has tried, Charles Allen/Tommy Wells have tried, Ron Moten/Adrian Fenty has tried…hell even the guy who runs the Red Hats/ECCA has tried (I know his name but choose not to name him)…until they have Pat Collins interviewing the newbies about “their feeling of safety” in Shaw will it EVER change.

    • Agree. Nothing’s going to change until someone with a yoga mat gets hit with a stray bullet and Pat Collins reports it breathlessly in his funny hat.

      • Sad but true. When the victims are newcomers or it occurs near transitioning areas, it definitely gets way more attention from the media and results in increased policing. Otherwise it stays in the back of the metro section. The only reason Trinidad’s spate of violence in ’08 got checkpoints and much visibility is because it was concerning lots of newcomers who spent a lot on their spiffy rowhomes to live there. At the same time there was equal violence in SE but no one really cared…

        Lol In fairness to Pat Collins he is a DC native through and through, born and raised off H St NE.

    • +1

      Agreed. Just sent an email to Jack Evans.

    • This is Ward 6, not Ward 2 so you can email CM Allen. I think your efforts are better directed at the mayor’s office.

      • Accountering

        This is very much in ward 2. W6 doesn’t pick up until you are south of NY Ave, excepting that little pocket by Dunbar.

        • Not true, Accountering. This is squarely in ward 6. It’s a weird, little gerrymandered pocket of ward 6, but ward 6 all the same.

        • I’m an ANC commissioner for Logan Circle and can assure you this is in Ward 6. The wards were redistricted a few years ago.

        • Accountering

          Well, that makes me a dummy. I thought I lived in ward 2. Hmm, not my best moment! Why do ALL of the parking signs around us say Ward 2 then?

          • Accountering

            Pretty incredible you can move from 18th and Burke St SE to 8th and Rhode Island NW, and still be in the same ward. That’s 3.5 miles and a 30 minute drive.

          • Now I’m wondering when that redistricting happened… Funny enough (or sadly enough), some of the ANC candidates in the last election still used campaign posters with the Ward 2 designation on them, with the “2” crossed our and “6” written in next to it. I couldn’t tell if it was a kind of protest symbol or if the candidate just didn’t want to buy new posters.

          • You would be in Ward 2 on the old map. At our old place at 11th and P, we were in Ward 2 when we moved in and Ward 6 when we moved out. Ward 2 and Ward 5 used to meet at NJ Ave. That northwesternmost finger crept up from Ward 6 with the redistricting following the 2010 census.

          • Accountering

            I have been reading but unable to find an end result. Seems that while we are technically in W6, our parking is W2. So if we were to register our car it would be W2?? This makes sense (and is why I thought we were W2, all the signs are W2)

          • I just emailed Charles Allen and got this back in case anyone is interested:

            Thank you for your note and needless to say, the shooting last night and the ongoing violence is very troubling. There is no level of crime that should be acceptable and I’m sorry to hear that you don’t feel safe in your own neighborhood. I wanted to share some of the details about what I’m doing to improve the safety in Shaw – and I’ll need the partnership from MPD and the Mayor’s office to be successful.

            I was alerted by Commander Kishter minutes after the shooting occurred and was on the phone with MPD leadership most of the night. In addition, I was able to connect some of the witnesses on the ground who were tweeting about what they saw and put them in touch with MPD leaders so that they could get some of the lookout information for the car that fled the scene.

            Last night, I asked Chief Groomes and Commander Kishter to put a light and camera tower up immediately and I’ve been told its up as of this morning. They moved it from another location in the city, but I think the recent violent activity around 7th and O Street NW warrant it being located there. Of course, that’s a temporary fix and not what will help long-term.

            I’ve also been pushing DPR to mount additional permanent lights and cameras on the O Street side of the Kennedy Recreation Center building. I spoke with the DPR Director this morning. I made this request two months ago following the murder of Ms. Gliss in roughly the exact same spot as last night’s shooting. He reported to me that he has been conducting an assessment for lights and cameras at Kennedy and other sites around the city. He is working up a budget and I’m going to ask the Mayor to find the funds necessary to make this improvement at Kennedy. On the lighting front, I’ve also asked – as has MPD – for the recreation center to keep the field lights on into the night so that the area has better lighting and visibility.

            Finally, Commander Kishter from the 3rd District is moving in additional foot patrols to the area, so we should see more foot beat officers. Last night, there were officers just one block away in their cruiser, but I think foot and bike patrol officers provide a greater sense of visibility and proactive community policing. You should be seeing that visibility but please let me know what you’re experiencing so I can give that feedback to MPD.

            Thanks again and we’ll stay at this to improve the safety of the area.


    • Nothing will change as long as there are PJ’s around.

    • + a million

    • Nothing’s going to happen as long as everyone’s writing the wrong DC councilor. (sorry, good natured jab, couldn’t resist, thanks for doing your civic duty)

  • I don’t understand why MPD can’t put officers on this block 24-7. Maybe the officers that are constantly sitting outside Dacha can be repositioned?

    • They could, but they wouldn’t likely offer much perceived safety to those who hang out on that block. There’s a MUCH higher return on the perception of safety/MPD “doing something” if they are visible to the yuppies at Dacha.

    • So we’re doing this all over the District, mostly east of the river, and it’s a terrible strategy. It’s “police theater”. So I sit in my car with my lights flashing to make you feel safer and to show my presence, and I’m not allowed to leave to handle runs, because my presence is vital. But when someone get shot around the corner, they either move me or, even crazier, put another officer with their lights flashing on that block.

      It seems counter intuitive I know, but the safest thing is for cops to be free to work their PSAs and actually stop people and frisk them for guns, which we don’t really do anymore. Fixed posts don’t stop shootings.

      • Anon MPD is consistently my favorite poster about crime on this site. I always appreciate his/her perspective. It’s really so helpful to have someone with actual experience in policing show up and say something about global strategy, and what works/what doesn’t.

      • Sadly, Anon MPD is right: police presence doesn’t seem to deter crime. They increased police presence from basically zero to every block in my neighborhood and then a few days later the shooting homicide at Lamont and Georgia happened. The police van has been on my street for a good 2-3 weeks now. However, I do see them “make runs” and they do leave the vehicle. They also got into quite the confrontation with loiterers and made them leave the block because they don’t live there.

        Really, I think if you want change in your ‘hood you have to get really involved. By that I mean know your neighbors, call the police when you see illegal activity, attend community meetings, email/call your council member, etc.

      • First of all what you are saying completely makes sense. A stationary cop is easy for people to avoid. Someone moving around, talking to people, and looking for potential trouble can cover a lot more ground.
        That said we have a light tower a few streets over on a particularly notorious drug corner and I’m very happy about it. I think it’s made a big difference in the short term (although the same people are in the drug house, so I hope they are also looking for a long term solution).
        The only problem with the light tower is one of the cops. One of the cops who sits in the car (very occasionally) is really friendly. He chats with people in and out of the car. Not in an aggressive way, but sort of like “hey I’m sitting here all night, I may as well get to know a few of the neighbors.” Another who is there more often just sits in the car all night with the window rolled up watching movies or something on an ipad. Can MPD do more to encourage officers to be more like the friendly one? this creates an enormous amount of goodwill with neighbors, builds lasting relationships, and does more to deter crime.

        • So I’m glad there’s a cop there who’s cool and talks to people. You should understand that the idea of having an officer attached to the light tower seems insane to us. Literally we’re there to protect the light tower from vandalism. That’s our job. Some guys don’t mind, but other guys probably want to ride around and do patrol work.

          If that officer wants to use the bathroom or get food, they need to call another cop over to watch the light tower while they leave their post. While I wish they would all engage with the residents, I can totally understand why they might be miserable when they get that assignment.

  • Charles Allen has been very responsive to my e-mails and replied this morning that a MPD light and camera tower has been placed on the block. Hopefully this will somewhat act as a deterrent.

    • LOL – funny!

      • Police officers – attentive ones who have their eyes peeled (not sitting in a car playing candy crush) – are a deterrent. Bright spot lights are just an excuse to wear shades at night while you deal.

        • The conventional wisdom is that (for better or for worse) bright spotlights disperse criminal activity to some other, non-spotlit location.

    • Congratulations. You’ve made it. You have a light tower. The rumors are that the next Academy class is going to be all light towers.

      • Damn, that’s a vicious burn. Well played, Anon MPD, well played.

        • Man, you guys are harsh. I’ll take any sign of progress and police attention at this point. I know it’s not a sustainable or long-term solution. But geez.

  • I live nearby, and I’ve made it a habit to avoid walking past the few blocks around 7th and O NW, especially at night. I was leaving U Street last night around 10 pm, around the time of the shootings, and although it would have been a pretty direct route home, as usual I very consciously chose not to walk through this area because, yes, it’s a known problem spot and has been for a long while, although this summer does seem to have been particularly bad. I’d like to think more police presence would help, but if the real issue is crew rivalries, the shootings may continue. There’s plenty of agreement that there’s a serious issue with violence in this section of Shaw, but what the solution is, I don’t know. Does it really have to be that in order to decrease my risk of becoming a crime victim, I need to zig-zag my walks through the city? It’s not just Shaw. There are blocks of H Street I also consciously avoid.

    • I do the same–even during the day I won’t walk on 7th between Mass and P. I used to do the walk all the time, but its been really sketchy since this spring and I just don’t feel safe walking up the street anymore. Its a shame, I LOVE the neighborhood. But those shots last night were loud and close and really freaked me out.

  • To be fair, this is probably one of the worst micro-areas west of the river. Its an anomaly that this much violent crime is happening there. Pretty much all of the old school hot spots for violence have been cleaned up, but this one remains.

    I wouldnt feel comfortable living there, either. But, pretty much any where else west of the river would be ok (with a few exceptions in Carver/Langston, Edgewood, etc)..

  • Does this mean that real estate developers will lay off the “Shaw” or “North Shaw” name creep?

    • I would say this would push developers even more to use “north shaw” to differentiate itself from this hood.

    • I have yet to see these high spike in crime affect RE prices. Prices continue to go through the roof with listings going under contract within a week across most of these gentrifying hoods.

      • Yup, and as a buyer and soon-seller of a home right near there, it makes perfect sense to me. Yes, there is crime, but it’s very unlikely to affect you personally and the location is about as perfect as it gets in DC. Or it was for me, anyway. Even with the crime, I absolutely loved living there.

    • Haven’t you heard? 7th and O is not Bloomingdale SW.

    • Name creep?

      Shaw used to mean basically everything north of chinatown, west of 16th Street and east of Bloomingdale and south of W.

  • For those not living in the direct vicinity of 7th and O, do not assume that everyone who moved here “didn’t do their research”. Personally, I knew about the high crime rate in the area (muggings, break-ins, etc) and that’s why I moved into a building with a concierge and available garage parking. What I wasn’t aware of were the amount of shootings. The police are not publicly reporting every shooting that happens here. Every single week we have had a shooting right outside our building. Where are the DC MPD reports on the shooting August 1? Or from July 25 where a stray bullet came into an apartment? Where’s the report from the driveby from the week before that? I could go on. There is more going on here than what is being released and that is why people are frustrated now more than ever.

    • Good point. Crime stats on crime map dc do not report shootings if they don’t hurt someone. We have to look at something like shot spotter data for that. If I had seen shotspotter reports, I may not have moved into my block in Petworth. The crime stats on the other hand were showing a decline in our PSA and blocks. Then came the winter and summer crime upticks. So the question is are we seeing a reversal in the trend or a bump?

  • There are several people on here that live near 7th/6th and O. Here’s something I would ask you to do when you hear the gunshots and when you’re out and about and see things that are clearly illegal activity. Call 911 immediately or when you’re in a safe place where those engaged in the illegal activity cannot see/hear you. 911 in DC is also the number for non-emergent crimes/issues. Yes, we have a ton of issues at this intersection and nearby. We also have a lot of complacency that this is just the way things are or that it affects a population different from our own. Add onto that an age-old attitude about not calling police when crimes are in progress. I have heard my neighbors agree not to report smashed windows and violent attacks. The thinking is that they don’t want any trouble for being the ones to report the crime. 911 does not require you to identify yourself and you should be calling EVERY SINGLE TIME you see something illegal.

    If there are Shaw business owners reading this, you should also be calling when you see illegal activity outside your business. At least once or twice a day, the drugged out old men that are “usually so pleasant” get a bad dose and start chasing and verbally/physically assaulting patrons of Compass Coffee and Beau Thai. I have spoken with a manager at Beau Thai about calling the police more frequently on these men, and the response was a complacent “this happens all the time”. THEN YOU SHOULD BE CALLING THE POLICE ALL THE TIME. It is in the interest of all these businesses to remain vigilant against neighborhood crime. I have stopped and talked to virtually every neighborhood officer we have in Shaw and asked if this is the correct action to take and the answer is a resounding yes. If we as a neighborhood take the time to create a thorough record of the activity taking place in this area, we have a much better chance of getting things turned around and we’ll all feel safer. Please, start reporting things that you see. Even if by comparison to the shootings the issue may seem small, it is all connected.

    TL;DR: Please call 911 every time you see illegal activity. 911 is the number for both emergent and non-emergent situations in DC.

    • Hey, I live at 5th and O too!

      And I agree, persistence is key

    • You can’t file a police report over the phone. You have to wait for the officer to show up, which can literally take an hour or more. My husband was punched in the face by some random drugged out homeless person on 6th and Florida. It wasn’t that big of a deal but I called 911 immediately. The dispatcher basically said we had to wait there for a cop to arrive to file a report or for anything to happen. Crime is definitely under reported in DC because of this.

  • The Mayor’s office and the others have placed a lot of blame for the uptick in violence on synthetic weed, or whatever. I feel like blaming the violence directly on the effects of the drug to be a bit of a red heron, but I suspect that the efforts dealers to control a new drug market might be playing a role. If that is the case this is precisely the sort of thing that the vice squads, jump-outs, used to handle at a district level. They would have been able to see the change and proactively address it. While I certainly understand the mayor in the chief of police’s desire to avoid having problems between police and the citizenry, it seems to me that consolidating vice to one smaller city wide force is having a detrimental effect on MPD’s ability to adjust and adapt to localized crime trends.

    • Damn dawg, where you gettin that red he-ron? Haven’t had that good ish in years!
      (Sorry for the pedantry, but I think it’s red herring you’re after. 😉 )

      • Ha, yeah, typing hurriedly from construction site, didn’t really think about the spelling or anything just phonetically put it out there

  • I’ve lived a few blocks east of this area for 10 years. When I first arrived, the real sh*tshow was Sursum Corda, which is a few blocks further east. But as development pushed into that area, many of the Sursum Corda houses were torn down and the area quieted down considerably. There are still occasional flare-ups over there, but it’s nothing like the old days. My sense is that unless things play out similarly around 7th and O, nothing is going to change much in the foreseeable future. What is the prospect that those housing projects are going to disappear any time soon?

  • I’ve spent the morning combing the Mayor’s website to see if she has made a single public statement about the crime in this pocket of Shaw and have come up with nothing. How is this acceptable? In addition to the eight REPORTED shootings in the area listed by shawnonymous, there have been numerous occasions this summer where I have heard gunshots from my home (6th/P) and have seen no reporting at all. Just Monday night this happened. When I called 911 I was on hold for over 15 minutes with no answer. Enough is enough. I have written to the Mayor’s office countless times with no response. Do we need to start some kind of social media campaign to shame her into taking action or at the very least making a public statement? What is it going to take for this to be addressed in a meaningful way?

    • I’m sure sooner or later she’ll bring all the stakeholders to the table to form a panel to do a study.

      • west_egg

        A panel and a study? Textdoc, I think you misunderestimate the seriousness of the situation. Clearly what’s called for is a top-to-bottom review.

    • Thanks for keeping the spotlight on the Mayor and our elected leaders. I’ve once called 911 and was on hold for a good 3 minutes last year. Unbelievable!

    • From a comment in today’s popville post about the ANC commissioner calling out the mayor, here are two hashtags: #wheresmuriel #atleastfentyshowedup
      I know she’s been working hard, but this issue deserves a higher priority and some tangible action.

  • Don’t be so harsh. Mayor Bowser is busy spending a fortune on “Alleypalooza” while the roads that actually carry traffic are crumbling all over town.

  • Does anyone know if Shotspotter data is public? I can’t find anything but previous studies citing the stats gleaned from it.

    • Data up to 2013 or so is public. Newer data hasn’t been released, but since they released it before I imagine a FOIA would do the trick again.

      • Ooh can someone please do a FOIA request and post what they find out? Points if you’re a GIS type and can make the results into something pretty and intelligible.

    • As an prior employee of ShotSpotter, the data is typically not public record.

  • I run/work out in that park a fair amount (daytime only), and even then there’s always a small group of people getting high, drinking, and selling. Never had any issues, but would have to guess that being the epicenter of a couple different crews there’s going to be issues once the sun goes down and there’s money to be made. Doesn’t matter that there’s luxury condos across the street, there’s still a fair amount of public housing and if it’s a place that people want to hang out and get high, then there’s always going to be issues with beefs about whose turf it is.

  • If you like a good non-fiction page-turner, and want a little more neighborhood history, check out Ruben Castaneda’s book about Shaw during the nineties’ crack epidemic, ‘S Street Rising’. Castaneda was a Washington Post reporter covering local crime, and was also a crack user during that not-so-bygone era. or (FREE from the DC library!) or

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