GDoN? “the BEST of all worlds” edition

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This unit is located at 475 K Street, Northwest. The listing says:

“This stylish, spacious, light filled 1 bedroom + den w/ storage & parking! Hwds, Cer Tile, Granite, S.S. Appliances, California Closets, Center Island & Balcony located at CITY VISTA has the BEST of all worlds, LIVE, WORK, PLAY in the center of DC! EZ access to all forms of transportation, 2 Metros, Capital Bikeshare, Zipcars, I395, Union Station nearby! Great amenities, pool, concierge + more!”

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This 1 bed/1 bath is going for $489,000 ($433 monthly fee.)

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  • That is the saddest little kitchen island.

  • Decent deal. With the parking and amenities, this is a good price and location. You do, however, need to budget for pain. Because that ish is awful. We’re going to list in a slightly better area, slightly bigger space, almost no amenities, for around the same price…so I’ll be curious what this goes for.

  • Good lord that is an ugly apartment. Nothing some paint and some decent furniture won’t fix, though. Still a decent deal, given the space and the amenities.

    • maxwell smart

      No kidding. The light fixtures… the furniture… the red paint in all the wrong places… these staging companies are not doing themselves any favors.

  • I love that location…not a fan of the kitchen but the price for this area and that location is pretty decent

    • What do you love about this location? It’s sandwiched between Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and the entrance to 395. The neighborhood to the North doesn’t have much until you get over to Blagden Alley or up to City Center. It’s geographically close to downtown but in a lot of ways it’s a no man’s land. One day there will likely be office buildings and hotels all around, but it will never be a pleasant neighborhood.

      • Within a one- to 10-minute walk there’s Busboys, Sweetgreen, Taylor, Mandu, Baked and Wired, Bicycle Space, Safeway, Ace Hardware, Chinatown Coffee, the National Building Museum, Smithsonian’s Portrait Gallery/American Art museum, the Verizon center, three metro stops, multiple bus lines, multiple bike share stations, and more. It’s a great location.

        • HaileUnlikely

          Agreed in spirit, but don’t know many people who prioritize *living* close to museums, higher-end fast food, and a bike shop (all of which I like, but none of which I use nor can imagine using so often as to prioritize living on top of vs. a long walk or short metro ride away from). Can’t argue with the proximity to the metro and grocery store, but the rest of what you listed is worth exactly $0.00 to me, and have some difficulty imaging those being big motivators to buy a place.

          • I think you made it pretty clear in your last posting an GDON for a location 2 blocks from here that you think this location is crap. But not everyone agrees with you.

          • HaileUnlikely

            What in the world are you talking about? My beef with the other place was that it was a 400 square foot basement studio. I didn’t comment on the location at all. Feel free to disagree with my assessment of that place or this one all you want, but you are entering irrelevant facts into evidence here.

          • HaileUnlikely

            p.s. There are lots of big plusses associated with living here that nobody here even mentioned. I’m just struggling mightily to understand who places a premium on living a block (as opposed to a mile or two) from a museum or a bike shop.

          • I’ll grant you the museum point (though I love casually swinging by a museum for 5-10 minutes because it’s right there), but do you really fail to see the appeal of a bike shop a block away as opposed to a mile or two? What if your bike breaks?

          • Fair enough. You just seem -very- quick to dismiss this location, citing two things you couldn’t care less about having in close proximity and seemingly ignoring several of the others. I’m also not sure why you think that your own priorities for what should be closeby are not should be assumed to be shared by others in the real estate market. For some people, close proximity to groceries, metro, bike share, lots of food options, a hardware store, etc can be huge perks. They certainly are for me and I’m sure I’m not alone.

          • HaileUnlikely

            I don’t think my priorities deserve any more weight than any others, and I happen to think this is a perfectly fine location. I personally wouldn’t want to live here just because it’s too busy and hectic for me and I prefer somewhere quieter and less dense myself, but I generally get why people would like to live here. I’d love to be this close to metro and to my job. I just felt like interjecting since everybody was piling on the other commenter above who didn’t care for the location. (Note that my comment was in the midst of the pile-on on the other guy–and not a standalone comment dissing the location. And note that I conceded that proximity to groceries and metro are nice in my original comment.)

          • I mean, I don’t disagree that chipotle or sweetgreen is the same as being across the street from, say, Rasika, but I wouldn’t exactly put it in the bucket with a Wendy’s or Taco Bell. I think quite a few people would appreciate being close to a Chipotle, Taylor and Sweetgreen. And there are four empty lots within a block that all have buildings going in that will likely have some ground floor retail/food, including some nice restaurants. Not counting the reality you’re a 10 minute walk to everything in Shaw or Penn Quarter.

          • Shawess, I don’t think HaileUnlikely was really dissing the location in the recent GDoN post — more dissing its basement-ness and questioning the value-for-money quotient of that particular unit.

      • What are you even talking about? Have you even been over there? It’s a perfectly good area (also, I think you mean New York, not Rhode Island which is like literally a mile away which only demonstrates you don’t really have a clue what you’re talking about). It’s an easy walk to Chinatown, Shaw, NOMA, eventually Capitol Crossing when completed, and literally sits on top of a grocery store. There are a ton of buildings going up all around it.

        It’s perfectly pleasant. I live north of there in that doesn’t have much area you’ve also clearly never been to.

        • As you state it’s geographically close to a lot of stuff. But it’s just really unpleasant and it;s mostly close to chainstores. If I wanted to be maximally close to a Chipotle, a Clyde’s and several freeways I could move to Tyson’s.
          The problem is that walking out your front door you’re practically on a freeway for a block in every direction and there’s not much a a neighborhood feel at all. You can be in a centrally located place and still have a neighborhood feel (Logan, for example).

          • Not for $489K for a one bedroom, you can’t. The question was whether this was a GDON, not would this be your ideal home. Also, the idea that Clyde’s is 1) near this or 2) the only restaurant in that vicinity exposes your relative lack of knowledge about the surrounding area. You know what else is near this if Clyde’s is near this? Everything in Shaw.

            Also not a single street bordering this building is remotely a freeway. This building doesn’t sit on New York Ave and it doesn’t sit adjacent to 395. Are they close by? Sure. But who cares if you’re not living on them?

          • HaileUnlikely

            Not in a fancy new building like this one, but sure you can (find a one bedroom in Logan for $489K). It took me all of 30 seconds to find several on Redfin.

          • Yeah there are like three listed, and they all appear to be about 400 square feet.

          • HaileUnlikely

            There is one on 13th near N, 640 square feet, listed for $369K.

      • I wouldn’t live there b/c I prefer to live out in the neighborhoods, but it is a very solid location if you like living “downtown.” Right on top of Safeway, a ton on the ground floor (love Mandu and Busboys) and more opening every day. Also very easy walk to Chinatown and the stuff in Shaw.

        • Yeah, I agree. If you want to have the “everything’s at my front door” experience, this is ideal. I think this location competes favorably and probably beats Penn Quarter because you’ve got the grocery store, and beats Chinatown because it’s not insanely busy all the time.

          • I enjoy the business of Chinatown and not being stuck in a neighborhood. This location still beats Penn Quarter because you have easier access to activities Logan/Shaw. On the other hand, Penn Quarter gives you a better commute to the Hill.

        • This is where someone who just got a job here having never been to a real city before would *think* was close to everything and rent after moving to DC. Then regret after 2 months.
          Chinatown is terrible and full of tourists. NoMa is terrible and full of inters. It also requires walking through some pretty sketch areas from here. Shaw is great, but is a long walk and requires walking through 7th and N (we all love that corner).
          I guess it’s okay for people who want to be close to their office and have no social life and no friends. If that’s you, then godspeed.

          • As someone who has lived here for 15 years, and live in Logan for years, I can safely say I have zero desire to live in Logan Circle today. So if that is where you think everyone want to live, then I question how long you have actually lived in this city.

      • maxwell smart

        The problem with Downtown DC living is that it’s *like* living in a big city, but not really. Yes – you are close to shopping and restaurants. But DC is still a “close at 10pm” town. There’s not really a local bar, a corner bodgea, a pizza place open until 4am like you would find in New York that would make living in a location like this make sense. I personally don’t see the appeal here.

        • Wait, because I can’t find a meal (anywhere in the city) at 2am, then living in this particular spot in the city makes no sense? That makes zero sense. You don’t need a corner bodega open until 4am if the Safeway is open 24 hours, which it is. And finding a 4am pizza shop isn’t exactly something people put in real estate listings for a reason. But whatever you need to justify why you don’t live downtown.

        • Wiseguy pizza is a five minute walk and open until *5* am on weekends. (1-3 am during the week.) The Safeway *directly under the unit* is open 24-hours, 7-days-a-week. I think the lack of a corner bodega can probably be worked around.

        • Agreed. This location has the charm of living in a parking lot and next to a highway on-ramp. Yes, it’s “downtown” but downtown DC kinda blows.

  • Seems like a decent deal but I agree that the kitchen seems a little small. I like how the den has those frosted glass windows. If you work from home, like I do, it’ll be much much nicer being in there for any extended period of time. Given the garage parking and roof top pool, as well as location, these seems like a good deal to me.

  • I can’t believe parking is included in the 433 maintenance.

    • HaileUnlikely

      I assume that the parking is included in the purchase price, not in the condo fee. As far as I know, parking spaces are usually bought outright – sometimes they convey with the unit, sometimes they are sold separately, but I imagine it is correct that the fee does not include parking per se.

      • HaileUnlikely

        Update: Listing on Redfin states “Parking Included in List Price.”

        • Accountering

          There are often spots listed in this garage for $30k or so on real estate sites. Wonder if that means underground parking isn’t necessary? Or that people buy this unit and then go car-free?

          • People buy this unit and go car free. I lived a block away from here and it was easy to walk to almost everything I needed — or get a ZipCar or Uber. Street parking was okay, but not great, and there is definitely an issue with car break-ins around there.

          • That’s half what you’d pay in Logan or Shaw. if this wasn’t a 1 bedroom + den, that would make the price seem inflated. the fee is a bit high for that square footage.

          • This may sound strange but I’d rather a fee that a tad high than a tad low. There have been too many condo associations that have found themselves short of money (by accident or design) at bad times.

      • I can see owning the spot. But there is no maintenance on the parking spot you own? Is that DC thing? I have owned spots in NYC buildings and you still have to pay maintenance for the garage staff, security, insurance, cleaning, etc.

        • HaileUnlikely

          In my very limited experience with that (almost bought a coop that came with a parking space, but backed out for various reasons), there was maintenance on the spot to the tune of about 2% of the maintenance on the unit (coop fee on unit was $750/month, $15 of which was for the parking space). The garage was unstaffed, though. I suspect that the stated condo fee here includes a small amount associated with the parking space, but anyway, my point was that it didn’t include an amount analogous to “rent” for the space because, because the space is bought and owned.

        • It’s just collapsed into your fee. i haven’t heard of anyone getting it billed separately. My building has a couple people who only own parking spaces (usually former unit owners) and they pay condo fees on their spaces.

        • I own in this building – actually the same exact floor plan. $397 is the condo HOA fee and $36 is the parking HOA fee. There are two separate associations with separate boards. The condo fee is probably one of the lowest in the city for what you’re getting (pool, hot tub, concierge, clubroom, library, gas, water, trash, herb garden).

  • I think the office/den would be claustrophobic to work in. It think that’s why we don’t even have a decent photo of that room – it if tiny! I’d take down the walls to the office if possible, or at least take out the window panes and make them archways to open up that space to the rest of the apartment if the wall can’t come down. Because I’m not living in a space this size with anyone else – so I don’t need the wall, and would prefer to actually be able to see the windows from that room – natural light (not filtered through extra frosted windowpanes) is essential to being in any room, for me anyway..

    • The “den” is there to inflate the price and distract from the tiny kitchen (using condo sized appliances would make better use of space). I wonder if those are load bearing walls. It probably would be better if it were divided into a work alcove and pantry or walk-in storage.

    • I have the same floor plan in my unit in this same building. I have a desk that I use for days I telework, and I also use it as a guest room – I either use my queen size inflatable mattress (yes it fits with desk, chair, and bookshelf) or my ottoman that converts to a twin size bed. I particularly love it for extra storage or just putting junk out of the way til I can sort through.

  • I was actually pretty pleased with the kitchen size and layout given the overall size of the place. Maybe it’s just increasingly rare to see room for actual dining furniture in an open plan place anymore.

  • I like the look of the place. The island is small, yes, but the added counterspace will make the kitchen far more usable. Not sure why the lip is there – there isn’t room to put chairs there. I like the paint job in the main space, too.

  • I have this same floor plan in this building. This is generally the price this size unit + parking + storage are listed at lately (and many will go above asking).

    1. The kitchen is plenty big for me. I have more than enough cabinet space – it’s more than it looks. I’m a big cook and have lots of kitchen supplies and still am nowhere near filling it. The island provides plenty of counter space for cooking or serves as a buffet for serving food. Den is also functional for me – I use it to telework once a week and as a guest bedroom (it fits a queen size inflatable mattress, or I use my pullout twin bed). The floor to ceiling window is awesome and brings in lots of natural light.

    2. The unit is actually 792 square feet per the developer. Property tax records are wrong.

    3. Condo board works hard and makes low fees a priority. It is $397 for 792 sq. ft., historically increasing 1-2%/year. This is lower than area HOAs.

    4. Neighborhood is awesome and convenient…and I even work in Crystal City. I have an active social life and never have to travel far (or at all) to maintain it. It’s fun keeping up with all the new restaurants and businesses opening directly in the neighborhood. I love that I can walk to Shaw, or even 14th St if I’m up for it, and Chinatown/Penn Quarter are very convenient for me for clothes shopping. Sure, it’s not my top bar scene but I prefer more a more low-key scene anyway.

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