The District Feels a Lot Like Dodge City Again as Gunfire Hits a Home and Building Friday Night

Crime tape remnant in alley of 4100 block of 4th St, NW between Upshur and Taylor and 3rd Street

It gives me no pleasure to write this but ignoring it as so many do is not helpful either. On Friday night stray bullets hit a row house window in Petworth and the lobby of an apartment building in NoMa. In Petworth it occurred Friday night just after 10pm in the alley between 3rd and 4th St, NW and Upshur and Taylor. It was a miracle that nobody was injured.

Bullet hole in back bedroom window

In NoMa a reader reports:

“Friday night at 11:15 a stray bullet hit the lobby window of 2M St in Noma. The bullet did not puncture through the window and no one was hurt.”

Also a miracle.

Bullet hole at 2 M Street, NE

And don’t forget about the apartment building that got hit in SW Waterfront back in February.

I spoke with a friend of mine recently who said “well what are the odds of someone actually getting hit?”. I don’t think that this a healthy reaction. In 2004 an 8 year old girl was hit by a stray bullet while she was sitting on her porch. Thank God she lived. There was a huge response after that incident. Most people don’t remember it now. When bullets go into homes and buildings and don’t hit anyone – in my opinion this is just as terrifying as if someone was hit. Because someone easily could have been. Where is the outrage? How seriously are our leaders taking this? Why is nobody talking about this? We don’t need to debate statistics. This is reality.

It’s true gunfire and violence are not common everywhere in the District. It has occurred recently in NoMa, Petworth, Eckington, Brightood, Bloomingdale, Takoma, Edgewood, Brookland, SW Watefront, East of the River SE, Hill East, Trinidad, H Street, NE, Carver Langston, U Street, Capitol Hill, Shaw, Park View, Downtown, Columbia Heights… With the amount of gunfire that goes on in this city – I feel like we are living the wild freaking west. There is a crisis. Let’s not break our arms patting ourselves on the back as we celebrate our successes as a city. And the city has achieved a ton. It’s amazing. But those successes, while great, do not replace the fact that our homes and city are being shot up.

Now let me just say – I’m not a hysterical person. I’ve lived in DC for almost 20 years and in Petworth for over 12. I’ve seen a lot. I don’t curl up in a ball and hide in my house. I also can’t ignore what’s happening. I don’t want to play the odds with something like this. I’m not saying I have the answers either. I’m just saying I’d like the powers that be (with the exception of Council Member Anita Bonds who has hosted some meetings) to also recognize and acknowledge the seriousness of the situation. And that something needs to be done about it. I should say show me something serious and sustained not just temporary pandering. When an innocent person does get hit by gunfire and all the camera lights are shining bright, I and many others are gonna remember the earlier silence. Don’t just be reactive. Don’t be in denial. Don’t be silent. Don’t just pick up the shell casings and say no one was hit so no big deal. Murders are less than they were 20 years ago so no big deal. This is a very big deal. And I have no problem admitting that I am scared. In our current state of affairs, you should be too.

Update: 10 minutes after this post I got word of another shots fired incident:

“On a different note – my neighbor just texted me about a shooting on Hobart Pl between Sherman and Georgia about an hour ago. Their car got hit 3 times. Don’t think any houses or people were hit.”


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  • The first step to solving this is understanding why it is happening.

    • In case you aren’t kidding, I think we can safely say it’s intrenched mental poverty. Go sit on a jury and listen to the reasons given for shooting someone. It’s better than a crime novel and will reduce your opinion of humanity to that of semi sentient garbage.

  • Wow, I didn’t hear about that Friday night incident. That is awful. My car was hit by a bullet just around the corner from here a few months ago – I was terrified by that and can’t imagine if it had been my house. I also heard several shots late Saturday night/Sunday morning (maybe 3am?) coming from west/southwest of where I am, which is that general direction too. Clearly a pattern and I find it so frustrating that no one will give clear answers about what MPDC is actually doing about this (and other) patterns of violence in our neighborhoods…

    • I heard the same shots by my house in Petworth this past Saturday at 3am.

      I’m curious whether it’s even worth calling the police?

  • I’ve personally seen very little response by MPD other than more pandering and “community meetings”. I worry that long time residents like the Mayor feel like crime is not a major problem because it’s better than what it was when they were growing up. Either the mayor is severely disengaged in what is happening in Ward 4 or she actually thinks it’s acceptable because it’s better than its been. We don’t need more community meetings; we need a strategic plan, additional resources and actual arrests. It seems are elected official are silent on crime, but maybe that’s because we (the voters) aren’t being vocal enough?

  • When I see these types of posts- I also ask myself- what does the OP expect the Mayor, chief and the police to do? Did you just see what happened in WACO? They had a SWAT team onsite yet- those bikers still opened fire on each other killing 9. How can you stop someone from pulling out a gun and firing off shots? The only way is to prevent it is by knowing that persons intent. The bigger problem is people needing to learn how to value life–not just theirs but lives of others as well.

    • There’s a lot they could do. MPD has really gone whole hog with the “crime is a social problem and requires community solutions” outlook. I totally support this, but think it should have a counterpoint as well. For those involved with gun crimes and drug traffic MPD could be A LOT more aggressive in enforcement.
      In our neighborhood there are a pretty small number of houses that everyone knows are drug houses. MPD could easily get probably cause to take down doors and make arrests at these places once a week. They could threaten asset forfeiture. While the rest of the country has gone overboard with this, DC hasn’t really done enough. I literally saw a patrol car roll by and wave as drug dealers on a corner were collecting cash from someone in a car last week. There’s clearly a perception that MPD doesn’t care and will tolerate drug and gang activity and that’s why it continues to flourish.
      For community building to be successful you need to both open doors for people, and make it clear that living by selling drugs is not viable. DC is trying hard to do the former, but is failing miserably at the latter.

    • I completely agree – what do you actually want people to do? I can’t imagine that most of these shootings are random. If someone really wants to shoot someone an they have the means, how would MPD stop them? How would they know that a person prefigured a crime? Minority Report?

      • But we do know why people shoot other people, and we can remove some of the risk factors. Known drug houses are a great example.

    • One of the biggest problems is that the Mayor and others fail to acknowledge that it’s a problem at all. It’s like admitting this is happening means admitting that they’re failing at their jobs. Muriel Bowser has been a terrible mayor, so far.

      • Problem is if the acknowledge it, then they have to prove they can do something about it. Until they prove they can do something, they won’t admit to the problem and continue with the status quo. The problem is they don’t know what to do.

        • Or they get really cute and say there is an “uptick” early in the winter, you know before it is too cold to keep the upswing in shootings up and then say we’ve been addressing the issue and it seems to be working…..that was always my favorite.

        • My correspondence with MPD suggests that sometimes they know exactly what to do, the problem may be that sometimes that they get extreme community push-back to ideas that work quite well in other communities to reduce gun violence. After all in many cases the violent gun toting perps and other crew members are area residents and family members too.

          • justinbc

            I can’t imagine the participation of gang members is all that high at community meetings.

          • What are the ideas that work quite well in other communities to reduce gun violence? (Just wondering.)

          • It could also be that a lot of those solutions lead to community members being treated like criminals. What solutions did you mean that don’t involve things like stop and frisk or searches and raids without a thorough investigation?

    • I have no background in police work, law enforcement, etc but I do think that when things are getting out of hand, it might compel leadership to re-evaluate its current policies and tactics. Sure, you cannot stop someone from shooting, but you can increase police presence in hot spots Lot less likely to fire a weapon when you see a MPD patrol car. Perhaps certain areas could receive better lighting.

      I really have no idea if those are viable or helpful, but there ARE steps that can be taken. Those with an actual background in the law enforcement field probably have an idea of three of what could be done.

    • Someone always asks this question in threads about crime and I find it odd. I expect the mayor and city officials responsible for law enforcement to take steps to curtail violent crime. It’s pretty much in their job description. When it snows, I expect the mayor to organize the plowing of streets, I expect her to facilitate the removal of trash, I expect her to ensure that our fire department and EMS are in good working order, and I expect her to work with the police and other relevant agencies to work towards reducing violent crime. I expect her to do her job.

      • Completely agreed. “What does the OP expect the Mayor, chief and the police to do?” implies that if a person posting on the internet doesn’t have an answer to the problem, then it was stupid bring it up in the first place.
        I haven’t run for mayor, or council member, or even ANC because this city has problems and I wouldn’t have the first idea how to fix them. I expect those people who do run and who are elected to do that job. The job they actively sought.

        • It’s like asking, “you’re sink is broken? What do you expect the plumber to do?”

          Uh, maybe fix it?

        • I think their point is that law enforcements job is not always prevention. It often times seems reactionary and the poster may not be not aware of the steps that government can take in order to curtail things. it might just be an honest question.

  • I am afraid. After the gunshots at the car practically across the street from my home in CH, I am more vigilant than ever. Frankly, I have my qualms about MPD. A few weeks ago, I was on my way to dinner on U street and on 14th and Euclid I saw to men pummeling each other on the street. One stranger started to dial 911, and I told the man that I saw a cop car on Euclid between 14 and 15 so I ran to that cop car and told the cop what was happening a block away. He said he just got the call. I walked away and as I walked down 14 I saw the cop walking leisurely to 14th, and then turn into the gas station. Those fighting and the crowd dispersed. I ask myself what if someone in that crowd pulled a gun. That happened in Petworth a few weeks ago too. This upset me so much.

  • According to Lanier’s testimony earlier this month (, there will be 5% reduction in sworn officers at the end of FY2015 relative to FY2008. In roughly the same time period, DC’s residential population has grown 11%.

    Perhaps MPD is spread a bit thin?

  • LisaT

    An apartment building in Brightwood Park (9th & Kennedy) was also hit Friday night. There were 7-8 shots fired around 9:45.

    • jim_ed

      Yep. Lanier has confirmed that the KDY crew is responsible for the explosion of violence around there lately, including the recent murder behind Emery, but MPD hasn’t explained WHY there’s been the tremendous uptick. All I know is that we’ve decided that walking the areas of Longfellow, Kennedy, and Jefferson after dark is no longer safe to do.

  • Well, I am both outraged by this, but also rationally look at the risk of injury.
    I was about 15-20 feet from a shooting between two gang members (crews, whatever). I testified in court, and there are now several people in jail for many years. Definitely outraged.
    I’m also still realistic about the odds of being hit by a stray bullet. I’m more concerned about being hit by a stray car.
    By the way, three innocent people were caught in the crossfire; one seriously injured and one died. That still doesn’t change my outlook.

  • Violent crime nationwide over the last few decades has gone way down. But the general man-on-the-street impression is that the world is a much more dangerous place now (anecdotally, because the media is so ever-present).

    Statistics don’t back this up, but people still think it.

    Is the same thing going on on a local level here in DC? What are the actual gunshot/gunplay stats from a 10 years ago vs now in DC? We all know murders are way down…

    • west_egg

      So what’s the magic number where we don’t need to worry about shootings anymore? What is the acceptable threshold for injured bystanders, below which any concern should be written off as pointless hand-wringing? These statistics will be helpful to the conversation.

  • This is an important issue, and of course every shooting or violent crime deserves attention.
    But I’m not scared, and I don’t think the situation warrants others being scared. The likelihood of you being shot or injured as an innocent bystander in this city was really really small even when crime rates were much higher, and given the progress that has been made in the past two decades, it’s now infinitesimal. You’re probably more likely to be struck by lightning. You may not want to debate statistics, but the numbers do matter in making an informed assessment of the actual risk to your safety. And the numbers show, at most, a need to exercise some street smarts – not a need to live in fear. That does NOT mean we shouldn’t be proactive in addressing crime. Partner with MPD and start a neighborhood watch program. When in doubt about suspicious activity, call it in. But life is dangerous by nature and we can’t insulate ourselves from that. How many people in this country opt to live in the “safer” suburbs only die in auto accidents on the highway?

    • HaileUnlikely

      As a professional statistician who has been up close and personal with the wrong end of a gun twice, I’m aware of the statistics on a purely analytical level, but the visceral reaction that comes from seeing bullet holes in my neighbors’ windows, and seeing people who vaguely resemble those who robbed me at gunpoint congregating in the alley around the corner from my house, does not lead me to want to give the statistics as much weight as I ordinarily would when I’m on the clock.

      • There’s nothing wrong with acting based on emotion; especially when you recognize it for what it is. Just recognize that some of us don’t have that emotional reaction and work based on the facts.
        (Never mind that most of us can’t do statistics anyway…)

      • The likelihood of an individual being shot is a completely misleading impact for the impact of gun violence. The corrosive effect of gun violence in communities is well documented. Even if I’m not likely to be shot, fewer people will be out on the streets, the neighborhood will be less pleasant, and will attract fewer businesses. Furthermore the effect of community level violence on young children is now clear as well. Gun violence in the neighborhood as negative effects on the emotional and cognitive development of the neighborhoods children. This is destroying the upcoming generation as well.
        It’s fine to point out that most of us are very very unlikely to be shot, but it’s important to remember that being shot is low on the list of reasons why you should care about gun violence in your community.
        The cost of gun violence is real and accrues to those well beyond the immediate victims of gun shot wounds..

        • …which is why we should be proactive in addressing gun violence. My point wasn’t that it’s not important. It is. But acknowledging that gun violence needs to be addressed does not need to = fear of leaving the house.

          • That’s absolutely right. But I think if someone is going have a public relations campaign to address gun violence the message should not be “don’t be afraid of guns, you’re actually pretty unlikely to get shot” it should be “don’t f-ing shoot people or you will spend your life in prison.”

        • justinbc

          I don’t think it has the staggering effect you think it does when you’re talking about a broad, dense area of residents. If I didn’t read this blog I would never have any clue about when people are shot in or around my neighborhood. I might hear the occasional police siren, but I certainly don’t run after them looking to see what the cause is. It’s not like we all sit around on our porches anymore chatting about “oh you know so and so? yeah he got shot up last Thursday”. There are so many residents of this city who just do not know what’s going on around them, and many just don’t care.

          • “I don’t think it has the staggering effect you think” – it’s true that I’m unlikely to be shot, and that most of the new white residents are unlikely to be shot and walk freely around the neighborhood. But gun violence absolutely has an impact on the longer term residents whose lives are inextricably intertwined with the perpetrators of violence. I see 6-10 year olds hanging out with drug dealers, passing on the message that illegal activity is a way to make a living. The threat of violence is also very real for these children.
            For newer residents, while the current state of affairs is fine for walking to the bar, I doubt many will want to stay as their children age if the state of affairs remains unchanged. While fully formed minds have the ability to deal with the goings on in the neighborhood, the latent presence of guns and drugs can cause lasting damage.

          • On the one hand, I don’t think Petworth is on the verge of turning into Baltimore. On the other hand, many people in the neighborhood are seriously disadvantaged with no paths out of poverty. One answer to that problem is education and jobs, but gun violence inhibits the ability of young minds to take advantage of those opportunities.
            In 20 years Petworth will likely be a very different place. I’d like to see it get there by improving the lot of low income long term residents, not by pushing them out. The first step in doing that is insuring that young residents are not exposed to violence.

  • Another issue covered in the Post today is the hugely inept handling of pot legalization:
    The easiest way to arrest drug dealers in the past was for selling pot. Legalization has made it harder to arrest them and given them more money to buy guns, as well as more money for rivals to steal. Of course that’s going to increase violence. Dealing is supposedly illegal, but as the article mentions MPDs current policy sees to be pretty much let any pot dealing be.
    MPD needs to crack down on the increasingly public drug sales (including marijuana) that are fueling a lot of this violence. And until DC can competently manage weed sales I would prefer that crack down very hard on any and all marijuana use that is not specifically compliant with existing law.

  • “East of the River” is a geographical area comprising many different neighborhoods with different characteristics. Some are quit distant from others. Why not name the specific neighbhoods east of the Anacostia that have these problems as you do for the rest of the city?

    • Prince Of Petworth

      That is a very good point. To be honest I’m not as familiar with those neighborhoods and have not been as consistent in reporting the various gun crimes there. I will try to do better in that regard. I appreciate you pointing it out.

  • I share POP’S concern and also feel that there’s been a uptick in gun violence lately. However, as I am empirically inclined I wonder if the data bear this out or if it is just more reporting of events or if it’s happening close to where I live, which is only coincidence.

    I recall reading that the gun shot data is not publicly available, but I could be wrong. I’d be interested in seeing what the deal is

    • Prince Of Petworth

      Shotspotter also does not pick up every shot fired.

      • Good Point. The whole city isn’t covered, since there’s a cost involved with that. They place them where they believe they will be the most accurate. If you’ve never read this 2013 report on it, you should.

      • Nonetheless it would be informative to have the data from MPD. Any increase in gun shots should still be reflected in a measurable increase in shot spotter activity unless the deployment of detectors has changed (it hasn’t to my knowledge) or shooters have figured out where there are blind spots (highly unlikely).
        In other words, the weaknesses of shot spotter should have no impact on our ability to use it as a tool to track patterns of gun violence.

        • Prince Of Petworth

          Agreed but I’m just saying people can’t use that as 100% because I know for a fact shots fired that are not reported in the analysis. I’m just saying there are definitely more shots fired than is compiled in statistics. For instance also when shell casings are already picked up and/or no damage is found – that is not counted as shots fired. But yes, of course I’m pro statistic. I would love to see the statistics for the past 6 months.

          • I think what you’re talking about is the MPD reports, is that right? The raw Shot Spotter data should have all shots recorded, even if there was no damage, and even if nobody called it in. The only instances where it wouldn’t be on Shot Spotter would be if the sensor didn’t register.
            The weakness of Shot Spotter is that it doesn’t always register, sometimes registers false reports, and the accuracy is not exactly pinpoint. But it should be very effective it tracking aggregate changes in gun violence over time.

  • I’ve certainly noticed an uptick in shootings over the last 9 months or so from where we were a few years ago. I’m not sure if the statistics support that assertion, just what my gut says. If anyone has any, that might help the debate.

    The first step forward should be awareness, if for no other reason than to inform residents so that they can take precautions. Maybe I’m subscribed to the national edition of the Washington Post or something, but I rarely see much reporting on these incidents, let alone any deep analysis. The only reporting I ever see is on popville. The city government/police/mayor don’t seem all that inclined to make people aware of what is going on either. The cynic in me says that don’t want to scare away the steady inflow of dollars from developers and new comers/VA-MD visitors.

  • I agree with others that the response to these incidents is not inspiring. I lived in Southwest for two years, up until last month, and noticed an uptick in violence in the last 6 months. On New Year’s Day at 9 am, I witnessed shots fired near the metro and the leisurely response by the housing (!) police was disconcerting, to say the least. I realize no one was injured, but there was no urgency on the side of the police in a situation that seemed clearly unsafe to me.

  • justinbc

    I’m definitely not scared, nor would I advise others to live their lives in fear. I wish I could say the “it’s part of city life” excuse was inappropriate here, but it is unfortunately unavoidable when you live in a densely populated area, and I would take DC’s rates of occurrence over many other big cities. I constantly see posts on this blog along the lines of “it seems like these are happening more and more” or “getting out of hand”, but the data just isn’t there to support those claims. The power of something happening in your neighborhood is always enough to compel you to believe that it’s a statistical anomaly, when in fact it really is not. So a bullet hit a house? And that’s rare or something? So any number of the hundred(s) death, shootings, etc the rest of the year easily could have done, but what great news that they actually hit their target…?

    The best place to start with these types of analyses is with the actual facts, because that will always be a politicians primary rebuttal. Then, if the facts are in your favor, propose an actual course of action. Whether it be more police offers, better focus on specific areas, whatever, and then be prepared to explain how exactly it will be paid for, because someone will be losing part of their budget as a result of it.

    • The fact that you’re not likely to be a victim (which is true) doesn’t mean that violent crime rates aren’t unacceptably high. D.C. still ranks near the top of U.S. cities – of any size – in violent crime. And the U.S. has an extraordinary amount of gun violence for a developed country. So I don’t buy the “that’s city life” argument. It’s pretty clear that we can and should do better.

      • “And the U.S. has an extraordinary amount of gun violence for a developed country.” Thank the NRA. 🙁

      • But I think it’s clear that “tougher policing” hasn’t done jack squat to lower overall violent crime levels in the U.S. My problem with the letter above is that it doesn’t seem to offer much in terms of possible solutions. Getting rid of a few drug houses won’t solve the greater problem of violent crime.

        • This is what everyone in DC government says. I think the problem is that DC has gone too far in the other direction. You can provide jobs for people, but if it’s easy and basically legal to sell drugs on the street still, why wouldn’t they just do that?

          • There’s this whole legal thing called due process… if DC cops can’t build a solid-enough case to bust your alleged drug houses – what do you suggest? Better cops? If so, from where?

    • A couple coments are due here, particularly since the author is so adament about facts and clearing up mistaken logic.

      1) There is no clear causation between densely populated areas and high rates of gun violence (for every Baltimore, I’ll show you an Oslo). There is likely a strong correlation between dense populations in the United States (or really anywhere in the U.S.) and high rates of gun violence.

      2) The author implies that everyone mistakenly believes that gun violence is down because it is happening nearer to them, but “the data does not support those claims.” However, the author does not provide any data and a simple look at DC police figures show an uptick of murders in the last several years from 2012.

      • justinbc

        1) I didn’t realize I needed to spell out that we were discussing the U.S. here. Since this is where we live, and we have little chance of switching to another country’s laws, I don’t see how they’re really relevant.
        2) Year to Year, in DC, murder rates are down by 18 (this is not specific to guns). This was the case for almost every year over the past decade with the exception of 2013. Assault with a gun, however, is up this year.

        • Not true. Murders are up 2% from last year.

          • justinbc

            Yes, it is true. I said very clearly “Year to Year”, not “so far in the year in 2015 vs this point last year.” If you look at the entire past year, and compare it to the previous year, the numbers are 105 (current) to 123 (previous).

          • Again, no data. Ironic given that the author puts so much emphasis on how everyone needs to focus on the facts.

          • justinbc

            No data? These are actual stats taken from the DC crime map. You can’t link to queries. Go run it yourself if you want to disprove it.

          • Great to see some sourcing, which puts everyone on the same field to establish facts. With the same data in front of me, it is clear that gun violence and murder are not going down. The 30 day to 30 day, 60 day to 60 day, year to year, year to date, and two year to two year (using the “other” option) all indicate increasing levels of assault with guns. 3 of the 5 date scopes indicate an increase in murder. It seems very far from fact that gun violence is decreasing in the city over the last couple years.

    • There are plenty of big cities without this problem. Just because there are some that are worse, doesn’t make it okay or “just a part of city life”…

  • Prince Of Petworth

    To be clear, which apparently it wasn’t to some, the point of this post was not to encourage folks to cower in fear and lock themselves in their homes. I had hoped people would at the least care a little bit that this is happening. That was my hope anyway.

    • I think people care, but they don’t believe the Mayor, City Council or MPD care… Many people have tried to get actions and results to little effect. We’re tired of public meetings. We want results. Until then, I will not be taking my family out after dark. Yes, it’s come to that. I hope Mayor Bowser is proud about how her former ward is doing… She doesn’t seem to care.

  • I’m not sure if there was an update on the mid-day shooting on 9th and Delafield. but I wanted to share that at least two bullets did hit a home. There was one bullet hole in the roof of the front deck and another up the front of the house. One of the owners was outside planting his garden when the shooting happened. I live steps away from the shooting and it was a terrifying event.

    • Prince Of Petworth

      What day did that shooting happen?

        • Prince Of Petworth

          It’s sad that there are so many I can’t even keep them straight anymore 🙁

          Thank you.

          • I want to add one thing about this incident. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it never appeared in the daily crime reports sent out by MPD 4D. When I spoke with an officer on the scene, she said it was “an investigation into destruction of personal property.” By any reasonable interpretation, it was a double attempted murder.

            I wonder if this method of classification artificially keeps the violent crime statistics down.

          • Prince Of Petworth

            All I can say is that I’m doubtful that the official statistics accurately reflect the number of shots fired. For many reasons.

        • Prince Of Petworth

          PS it truly boggles my mind that people can and will be dismissive about this. I appreciate you giving the update for the record anyway for those who like to compile statistics.

          • justinbc

            It’s not all that surprising to me. A lot of times when I see a posting here like “person shot 1200 block of X Street” there just not much I can do to contribute to that conversation other than “that sucks”. Everyone knows it sucks, it’s not really a matter of contention, and since 99% of the readership won’t ever know the person who’s shot they don’t feel an emotional connection. Open up a new bar in the neighborhood though, or talk about how bad bikers, dog walkers, etc are and they can all relate personally. If this were a small town of 1000 people you would probably know the person shot, or at least know someone who knew him/her. It’s a lot easier to ignore when it’s a faceless victim.

          • justinbc

            Also, many people just assume that it’s always drug dealers shooting one another. People don’t care when drug dealers die (aside from their families). But, you see how angry they get when an “innocent man” gets attacked on the Metro escalator a week or two ago? Massive comments.

  • In response to POP…some of us do care…so what do we do? What do we do with the problem block or house that always has shootings, drugs, etc. You can barely get the police to come when you call, forget about them actually doing anything.

    • The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Organize with your neighbors (could be through a formal neighborhood watch group, but doesn’t have to be), identify the biggest problems in the area, and harass the heck out of the city until they do something about it. I’ve heard MPD say countless times that this makes a big difference in how they allocate resources.

  • It does seem that there is an uptick in gun violence in the area this spring but would like to know if the numbers reflect that. I think MPD actually has pretty good knowledge of the source of a lot of this but they need to build actual cases against the bigger fish not the idiot smoking weed on the corner who may lead them them to a bigger fish. In private one on one discussion I have had, it seems that MDP knows the problem houses, the names of a lot of the guys etc. But 1) juvenile arrests are kind of pointless. Need to wiat until they have robbed 20 people and turned 18 to make it worth th effort. 2) stop concentrating so much low income housing in the same places over and over. there is a correlation and causation between poverty and violence. 3) hold parents responsibles for juveniles? I know that gets a lot of back lash but you can’t have it both ways. Either the parents take control or the City is able to jail them for longer periods of time. 4) Shut down the shady group homes that have no accountability on the wherabouts of their charges. I read a stat a few years ago that 1 in 4 murders in the City involved a kid (either the shooter or the victim) who was currently under “supervision” in the court system. that says a lot.

    • What would you like to be done in place of group homes?
      Juvenile arrests are only pointless when it comes to some charges. When it comes to others you don’t just let them get away with things because they are kids.

      How would you hold the parents responsible? Would they be able to fight a charge or punishment due to the fact that they have tried but the kid is simply in a rebellious sort of state where their friends and outside influences have won out over the lessons that they’ve taught them? How would it work?

  • Yes let’s not punish the shooters. Just ask why they are angry and their only outlet is violence. Your values say this is unacceptable and must be stopped by the Mayor .
    Where my values say this is just what folks do when they are not treated as equals.

    • My values say that this is what they do when they are raised to think this is normal behavior. Probably not by parents but by peers and street dudes that they look up to. Violence is what you resort to because you can and because you care very little about those around you.

  • There has to be a reader here who has experience preparing FOIA requests. Since the Shot Spotter data was already released once it should be easy to get. I think everyone would really like updated info to supplement this discussion. Ideally the public should get a feed of the shot spotter data, maybe delayed by a few weeks.

    Here’s the link to the Post story about the original release the other year:

  • I am a little confused. After 20 years the numbers are normally trending downward. I’m not seeing where they do less now than they did in the past.

    I don’t think that the average person thinks that it is no big deal. People just don’t know what can really be done without violating the rights of average citizens.

  • gotryit

    Dan, have you considered picking up the torch of Homicide Watch? They did a great public service across the city. You could even integrate a “shots fired” component with the right data.

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