Juvenile Arrested after Three Shotgun (1 Successful, 2 Attempted) Robberies Yesterday Morning

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From MPD:

“The Metropolitan Police Department Fourth District Detective’s Office has announced that an arrest has been made in three related robberies that occurred on June 11, 2014.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014, at approximately 6:57 am, a victim was in the area of the unit block of Sherman Circle, NW when a suspect placed a shotgun to their back and demanded the victim’s money. The suspect then fled without obtaining any property.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014, at approximately 7:00 am, a victim was in the area of the 4700 block of 8th Street, NW, when a suspect produced a shotgun and demanded the victim’s money. The suspect fled without obtaining any property.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014, at approximately 7:10 am, a victim was in the area of the 5000 block of New Hampshire Avenue, NW when a suspect brandished a shotgun and demanded the victim’s money. The suspect obtained the victim’s money and fled the scene.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014, at approximately 9:00 am, detectives from the Metropolitan Police Department’s Fourth District Detective Unit arrested a juvenile male of Northwest, DC, and charged him with two counts of Assault with Intent to Commit Robbery while Armed and one count of Armed Robbery.”

48 Comment

  • He may be a juvenile, but those are adult actions that deserve adult penalties. The DA should use this punk as an example that juveniles are not exempt from being upstanding citizens (or human).

  • This is ridiculous and scary. A juvenile…how much time will he serve?

  • figured the kid came from NW DC. but seriously, how was it that the fled without any property in the first two situations?

  • Charge this kid as an adult. There is no place for this kind of behavior. We shouldn’t tolerate this.

  • justinbc

    Who are these 2 people who refused to give money to someone with a shotgun?!

    • Refused? It doesn’t say that? I rarely carry cash and sometimes I have nothing of value at all. Maybe they didn’t have anything.

    • Maybe the assailant was spooked by a passing car / pedestrian?

  • Serious question: Does DC have a ballot initiative system such as California where we can get things put on the citywide election ballots for votes? What is the requirement (esp. number of signatures) for that? I see the legalize marijuana groups out so am wondering if we could do something similar?

    I personally would like to see two ballot initiatives:
    1) Enforce juvenile crime – don’t know how we word a vote so that it is actually meaningful, but something along the lines of “If a kid sticks three people up with a shotgun and has previous offenses for weapons or violent crimes then he is charged as an adult.”
    2) Anti-loitering statute – finally get one on the books so that the corner boys can’t hang out with impunity.

    I’m sure we can all find other ones but those seem like easy targets.

    • For point 2, I think this would be huge for the Florida/North Capitol corner. We live right by it, and it’s gotten drastically worse over the last month. They’ve essentially set up camp. The “corner park” is being destroyed.

      • I agree that this is a problem. Mamo really needs to do something with that ex-gas station plot at Florida/NCap; many of the folks hanging out at the “park” are spilling over into the fenced-off plot, which can’t be safe for anybody.

      • That corner is terrible. Always some asshole on it yelling or getting drunk/high. Always smells like piss.

    • I don’t know the answer to your question, but those are two initiatives I would vehemently support.

      • I would absolutely support an anti-loitering referendum. Granted, I think the cops and our elected officials could be doing more, but we also need stricter laws. How can it be ok to hang out on a corner and sells drugs? The cops in the fourth district need to be more proactive in their policing. They are great at responding, but what results have we gotten from proactive measures?

    • charging a juvenile as an adult is up to the US Attorney’s discretion and it is based on a number of factors. having bright line rules such as the one you proposed is never a good idea and decisions with far reaching implications should always be considered on a case by case basis. that being said, the US Attorneys office is not terribly liberal so depending upon this kid’s age I wouldn’t be surprised if he is charged as an adult.

      • USAM Chapter 9-8.000
        …a juvenile cannot be proceeded against in any court of the United States unless the Attorney General, after investigation, certifies to the appropriate United States District Court that
        (1) the juvenile court or other appropriate state court does not have jurisdiction or refuses to assume jurisdiction over the juvenile with respect to the alleged act of juvenile delinquency; or
        (2) the state does not have available programs and services adequate for the needs of juveniles; or
        (3) the offense charged is a crime of violence or an offense described in 18 U.S.C. §§ 922(x), 924(b),(g), or (h), or 21 U.S.C. §§ 841, 952(a), 953, 955, 959, or 960(b)(1), (2), or (3) and there is a substantial federal interest that justifies the exercise of federal jurisdiction. See 18 U.S.C. § 5032.

        • the United States Attorney’s manual is a manual not a law book so the above is a guideline not a rule. regardless, what is your point? yes, a juvenile can be charged as an adult if it is a violent crime however, charging the juvenile as an adult is up to the discretion of the prosecutor… as it should be.

    • And no more pleading to second degree murder to get 15 year sentences. Blows my mind we let killers out before they turn 35 yrs old. What kind of signal does that send?

    • DC does have a ballot initiative system. There are two ways a referendum can be placed on the ballot:

      1) The Council votes to place it on the ballot (see: DC budget autonomy)

      2) Citizens collect enough signatures to place it on the ballet. This is much more difficult, as you need an absurdly high number of signatures and the BOE does their best to invalidate as many as possible on tissue paper thin grounds. You may recall the corporate campaign contributions campaign that failed to get enough valid signatures. Currently, a group is trying to get on a November ballot to legalize marijuana. As to the number you need, it is a percentage of all registered voters in DC (which I think currently works out to about 30,000), and those signatures must be fairly evenly collected form all 8 wards. You can’t collected 20,000 for Wards 1,2, and 3, and only 10,000 from the remaining wards.

      HOWEVER, as we saw the the elected attorney general ballot initiative, the Council can and will do everything in their power to subvert the will of the voters if they don’t like the outcome.

    • When cities pass anti-loitering laws, it leads to lengthy and expensive lawsuits, then the laws are found unconstitutional. See http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/nyregion/new-york-settles-suit-on-illegal-arrests-for-loitering.html?_r=0 Also, what is loitering? Waiting for the bus? Stepped out of your office to smoke? Checking your phone outside the bar while waiting for your friend to show up? Sitting on a park bench?

      There should be an FAQ on PoPville to answer this, along with

      Q. When do I call 911 instead of 311?
      A. When you want a police response; doesn’t have to be an emergency.

      Q. Is it ok to leave my CaBi unattended just for a minute while I get coffee? Also, can I have a package sent to my house if it’s something large/small/not very valuable?
      A. No.

      Q. Was the person asking for money for this very sad and complicated situation scamming me?
      A. Yes.

    • Anti-loitering statutes are often struck down as unconstitutional because, well, people have a right to be in public space.
      And California’s referendum system has led to some horrible outcomes.

      • OK, fine. Then let’s demand stricter enforcement of laws against public urination, open container laws, disturbing the peace, etc. If all these folks are doing is “waiting for the bus…stepping out of their office to smoke…or checking their phone outside the bar,” then it’s not a problem. But that’s not what the previous commenters were complaining about.

    • For point 2, it will never happen. The District doesn’t have any anti-loitering laws like most cities because they are viewed as discriminatory by a large percentage of DC residents because such laws were abused by authorities in the past.

  • Accountering

    This absolutely insane. This is so wildly unacceptable, and a message needs to be sent.

    I have no clue how our elected representatives are unable to punish juvenile crime. When I talk to friends and mention that I don’t think the city is often being run the way residents would like it to be run, this is a great example. This kid is going to get a light punishment (relative to the fact he pointed a shotgun at THREE innocent people) and that makes me sick. I think most residents would agree this person should go away for a long long time.

    • I’ve been told our city officials don’t push tougher enforcement because all the gang bangers and drug dealers have grandmas who vote. The culture needs to change. Even grandma shouldn’t accept criminal behavior. This was at 7am too! We aren’t talking the middle of the night! What has Bowser said about this? I wish she would do more to address crime in our ward. Too busy running for mayor.

      • I love that “they have grandmas” is a part of the dismissive rhetoric here without connecting the dots that perhaps crime isn’t an issue of an alien class of “criminals” rather than a social issue involving actual human citizens. I mean, I know the reason why (those grandmas belong to an alien class themselves), but still, the unabashed, even boastful cruelty is…something.

        • I would posit that crime in DC is a problem related to two factors – criminals, and the coddling know-nothings that refuse to call them out for what they are.

          • Really? The secret of conquering crime – CRIME – is simply “calling them out for what they are”? And grandmas are in the way of us doing so?

    • How do you know that he will get a light sentence? Do you follow how every single crime in this city that is prosecuted?

      • Accountering

        I should refuse to acknowledge this, but I will. Very strong argument on your part (/sarcasm)

        Of course I don’t follow every single case. I do know that traditionally, juvenile offenders are punished very lightly in our city. Very strong trends like this lead me to conclude that this fool too will get a light sentence.

        Are you trying to argue that you think he will NOT get a light sentence? What could you possibly base this one?!?

        • it wasn’t an argument it was a question. one that you did not answer. you have absolutely no facts or statistics to back up what you’re saying. you say that it is a trend but (i assume and hope) you don’t work in the justice system, have no concept of the rates of crimes committed by juveniles, how they are prosecuted or punished.

          • If you don’t believe the DC “juvenile justice system” is a revolving door, you probably just fell off the turnip truck.

          • It was a rhetorical question designed to belittle Accountering. And I hope you don’t work in the system either, since if you did you’d know that the most they can do to someone charged as a juvenile is detain him in secure DYS custody until he’s 21. I don’t think we know his exact age, but the Post stated that he’s a teenager. Therefore, the harshest sentence he can get is DYS custody for 8 years (if he’s 13) or 2 years (if he’s 19). Whether I think 8 years is an appropriate maximum sentence or not, one doesn’t have to know statistics to know what the maximum statutory sentence is, so your admonishment is unnecessary and more than a little obnoxious.

          • Different poster here. I saw a presentation on how juveniles are handled in DC (by MPD I think). It was a two page flow chart, with most end points being mild slaps on the wrist or less, and very VERY small chance of going to real prosecution in court.

          • Accountering

            That’s the fun thing, I don’t need facts or statistics. I don’t work in the criminal justice system. In my observation (and that of likely 90% of commentors here) crimes committed by juveniles are punished very lightly. Often just a slap on the wrist. That’s the awesome thing about posting on a blog, my observations (and that of others) is plenty of evidence.

            I feel pretty comfortable with my observations.

            I did answer your question, I said based on what traditionally happens, a light punishment is doled out, and he will likely get the same..

            It just seems like you are trolling at this point, so I am going to move along. DC certainly gives light punishments to juvenile offenders, and in this case, I don’t need facts or statistics to let me know that that is an incontrovertible fact.

          • “It was a rhetorical question designed to belittle Accountering.”
            Please, keep the belittling/attempted belittling off PoPville. Surely you can disagree with someone without trying to belittle him/her.

          • my comment was not meant to belittle Accounteering, it was meant to pose the question of why so many people feel it necessary to criticize our police and justice system? crime has gone down drastically in our city and the notion that our system is a broken one is often not based in fact but opinion.

            Furthermore, yes, juvenile justice is a revolving door and that is an issue solved not with trying kids as adults but with having resources for kids. if you take a kid who is 15 put him away for 20 years and then let him out he is going to go right back to where he came from. the only difference is now he has no education, no skills and can’t get a proper job so he will likely be doing exactly what he was doing before if not worse. a slower moving revolving door is still a revolving door.

          • Wrong. A kid of (say) 15 robbing people with a shotgun is already broken. The best recourse is to lock him away until he’s no longer a danger to society. I will be happy to pay the extra taxes to see that happen.

      • I was a victim of a crime committed by a 14 yearold and his crew buddies here in DC. He had previous record. Absolutely nothing happened, they let him go completely scot free. No follow up, no prosecution, no slap on the wrist. Makes me sick.

  • New level of shooty even for Petworth. Ride the new streetcar, now with extra birdshot?

  • Ouch. What a failure. Traumatic memory for the robbery victims, huge expense to the taxpayer, shame for the family, and a lost person who will now be a burden on the community for the next few years and probably longer.

  • I really wish our judicial system would (could?) bring the hammer down on people who commit crimes using guns, even if they don’t actually shoot the gun. I’m not actually against gun ownership, but committing a crime using a gun crosses a line for me. There’s no excuse for it, and I think by doing so you’re basically saying you’re not willing to participate in civil society, and thus should be denied that privilege.

    • Hammers and Petworth don’t mix.

      • Zing! Well played. Especially since I can remember the cops searching my backyard for that guy before they found him about a block away…

    • Using a gun increases the sentence they get. For example, the base sentence for robbery is 33-41 months. If a firearm was brandished or possessed it goes up to 57-71 months. If a firearm was discharged it goes up to 70-87 months.
      This is, of course, assuming that the criminal is charged as an adult, and the charge isn’t reduced for a plea bargain.

  • One day a juvenile or an adult is gonna attempt to rob the wrong person and will get seriously injured.

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