Dear PoPville – 13th St. Residents upset about plans for a 6-Story Condo on Mr. Wash and Jerry Chan’s Carryout lots in Logan Circle

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1300 block of 13th Street, Northwest

“Dear PoPville,

Many owners at The Iowa Condominium are not happy about Holladay Corporation’s plans for new condos on the 13th Street lots currently occupied by Mr. Wash and Jerry Chan’s Carry Out (see Dupont Current 11/13/13 article – p. 12). Holladay’s plans will negatively impact the quality of life for Iowa residents as they include constructing a 60-foot high wall that’s 23 feet away from the back of Iowa Condo townhouses. This 60-foot high wall will block direct sunlight from the units on the south side of the Iowa as well as a large portion of the unique Iowa Condo courtyard / fountain area. When an Iowa condo owner spoke with a representative at Holladay about the wall height/closeness, loss of sunlight and privacy concerns, the response included “that’s part of living in the city”. Finally, the proposed 67 condo units will bring more cars and fewer parking options to a neighborhood where parking is already at a premium.

Many Iowa Condo owners would like a lower building height with more of a Blagden Alley/Naylor Court feel to better fit in with this uniquely configured block. There is also strong interest in replacing the existing alley between the Iowa and proposed new condos with a “green alley” (with no vehicle traffic) per the following link: http://greengaragedetroit.com/index.php?title=Green_alley.

It appears that Holladay is not interested in Logan Circle community feedback based on their lack of contact with the LCCA, the ANC and Jack Evans’ office to date. We hope by getting info about Holladay’s current condo plans out to community, we might be able to incent them to work with residents to create a neighborhood asset.”

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  • just from the information provided here… it doesnt sound like the condo owners have a good argument. “Strong interest” in a green alley? Please… I have a “strong interest” in owning a BMW.. but it doesn’t mean anything until I have the keys in hand. Do these people have permits/funding/contractor/materials? Need some skin in the game.

    • Indeed…this is probably a by-right development so there’s not much ground these residents can argue about. On the brighter side…is it really that great to live behind a car wash and a mediocre chinese carry out?

  • tough shi…, you can’t buy a condo in the heart of a major city and demand Colonial Williamsburg next door. If you bought property next to a 2 story building banking on it being a 2 story building forever, that’s on you. This type 6-story development seems like the perfect scale for the site and and a much better use if the land than a one story car wash or new 2/3 story town homes.

    • Rant continued: why is it people always support the height limit saying it gives DC a European feel, then whenever someone actually comes along and proposed a European-style mid rise apartment building, these same people fight the project as too dense, too out of scale, etc.

    • All of this. I mean do they honestly think that Mr. Wash and Jerry Chan’s are just going to stay around, year after year while the rest of the street improves?

    • Note that some of the owners may have purchased their condos in 1979 or the early ’80s – before many of you anonymice were born. What they ‘expected’ may not be in line with the current realities of DC real estate, but the disparaging tone of many of these comments should at least respect and acknowledge the fact that the original and early owners had every reason to expect sunlight – rather than a brick wall in front of their windows. They may not have any legal rights in this situation, but they certainly have my sympathy.

      • If they bought in the 70s or 80s then they have a huge amount of equity. The glass is half full people!

        • My point is simply that many commenters are saying things like “of course, they should have known” — when the neighborhood and the city were very different when at least some of the people bought their condos. It’s not necessary to disparage people’s judgements — especially when one is using current standards to make nasty comments about decisions people made and expectations they may have had when the community and the real estate climate were very different from what they are now. I’m simply urging a bit of empathy and civility — rather than the arrogance that characterizes a lot of the comments.

          • +1! so sick of the “entitled” youth. If I hear “this is the city” one more time I’m going to puke. “This City” was very different before they moved in and started reaping the benefits. Someday when they actually own and have a very vested interest in “the city” they will understand.

          • No country for old men ….

          • I want to bang my head against a wall until I get a concussion every time I hear that renters have no interest in DC!!!!! I rented for 10 years. Sure, I’ve owned for a month, but I didn’t undergo some magical transformation where I suddenly care about DC. I cared before. I still want greater density, turn over of vacant lots into housing, ample housing supply so that more people can afford what they want (renting or owning), and I care about the state of the district itself. None of this has changed since I got a mortgage.

            And you’re right, I just moved in and started reaping the benefits. I didn’t contribute to the tax base for 10 years, vote in every election, attend ANC meetings, or be neighborly in any way until I signed on the dotted line. You’re entitled if you think renters are lower than you.

          • You’re countering what you perceive as bias with your own. I was very much alive in the 70s and 80s, thankyouverymuch, and think the OP and allies are being ridiculous.

            The zoning laws that are in place now were in place then. The overhaul currently in process is the first one since the late 50s, so the vast majority of Iowa owners had constructive, if not actual, knowledge of what could happen next door and that they made assumptions that nothing would actually change isn’t anyone’s fault but their own. The project next door is a matter-of-right development, so no consultation is necessary, and furthermore I’m betting that they approached the developer with the same finger-wagging, entitled tone they exhibit in the OP and the article. I’d tell them to pound sand, too.

      • Scrillin

        Please, the average age on this site is like 45.

    • Thank you – your comment has saved me from making the same points.
      And as some others have pointed out, if this is a ‘by-right’ project, the neighbors really have no input on the design or aesthetics of the building.

  • If this is by right, then the developer’s succinct response about city living is spot on. People own land in the city that they are free to develop within the city’s zoning and code restrictions. You would need a compelling argument to even consider exceptions against such development, and “loss of sunlight, privacy, and parking” is not that.

  • If what they are doing is compliant with HPRB, etc., it doesn’t seem like there is much one can do. That said, if you really want to block the building height, organize with your neighbors to buy the “air rights”, limiting the building to how many ever stories you want. Assuming the developers are rationale, they should be willing to sell you their air rights in exchange for a cash payment equivalent to the difference in their expected profits from a 6-story building minus their expected profits in a shorter building. Of course, because that number is likely very large, the cost to buy those air rights is likely very large, too. (I’d guess 7 figures, but I really don’t know.)

  • The Iowa is 7 stories. A shorter building is not necessary for a “uniquely configured block.” Your building is taller than this condo building, and it’s on the same block.

    I think the whole “it’s part of living in a city” argument is totally applicable. Either you bought this condo when Logan Circle was a cesspool–in which case you have the best investment in the city, so this argument is moot–or you bought it when you really should’ve known a low-rise car wash was not a permanent fixture in a gentrifying area.

    • Exactly. I love how the people living in a 7 story building say that a 6 story building will destroy the character of the neighborhood. Give me a break!

    • To your point; from the article: Motley wasn’t pleased to hear about the project, which could possibly block all sources of light into the unit, as well as those of his neighbors on the south side of the Iowa, at 1325 13th St. “I found it irksome … that I should be OK with a 60-foot building,” said Motley, who purchased his unit in 1988.

      • Did condo docs not exist in 1988? I’m seriously asking, I was not involved in real estate in elementary school.

        I spent the most boring two hours of my life reading mine before I purchased and I know that none of my windows are vulnerable. It should say right in the doc whether these were. If he had the condo docs before buying it’s on him to know that his windows could be blocked some day, regardless of the state of the neighborhood when he bought.

  • I think the commenters miss the point of this article. While the Iowa itself is 7 stories tall, the tow houses that this project will abut are only 3 stories. The new development will cut off light to those townhouses. More important, however, is the callous attitude of the developer, who apparently has no interest in the neighborhood or current residents. The project is out of place next to a gas station and will be difficult to sell. Just walking down 13th St. shows a significant number of unsold and vacant units. Do we still need more?

    • So? Why do you care if the developer spends his money on improving the lot? If the units don’t sell (which of course they will) then what’s it to you? Mind your own business.

    • I live across from the gas station, and the benefits of living in Logan Circle outweigh the negatives of the gas station. And please show me all these vacant units on 13th. That’s a ridiculous statement.

    • Wow, vacant units? Sweet! I’ll go squat in Logan Circle for free, or at least bargain with the landlords for a super-cheap place, instead of paying $1500 for my current apartment in the hood!

    • If the developer was really shrewd, he’d figure out how to get the air rights to the gas station. Look at the development over the Exxon in the West End. Multi-million condos to live over a carcinogen factory. That gas station, whether it remains unchanged or is incorporated into the new plan, will have little to no impact on the sales of these apartments.

    • Where is this “significant number of unsold and vacant units”? North of the circle? Because south of the circle doesn’t really seem to be hurting at all. In fact, I see people moving in to buildings on this block at least a few times a week. Also, “the project is out of place next to a gas station”? I don’t know what you mean, because there are apartments/condos on the back-side of this gas station, as well as across the street on either side.

      I feel bad for the people who will have sunlight blocked from their units, but having limited control over what development happens around you is part of living in the city. If you and your association are going to have any luck at all in dictating what this developer does, you’re going to need a better argument. But, more likely, you’re going to have to suck it up and deal with it. Maybe someone should’ve bought out the neighboring lot if they wanted to have control over what happens there.

    • Are you kidding? DC is one of the hottest real estate markets in the country and you think there are unsold units on 13th St? You have absolutely no clue about DC real estate and more to the point about investment. If the developer didn’t think he could sell the units he wouldn’t be building them.

      This NIMBY stuff happens EVERY SINGLE TIME someone wants to put up a building in DC. The people that live in the area always complain that they are being ignored. You see the sun coming in your front window, you don’t own it. if someone wants to put up a building within the building codes of DC they are perfectly allowed to do that, even if it blocks “your” sun. If you don’t like it move to a community where you have more say; move to a community with a HOA and pay your fees and be militant about that.

  • This new development is by right, correct? Then stop whining. If you thought this crap lot in the middle of Logan Circle wasn’t going to be redeveloped then you’re an idiot and that’s on you, not the developer.

  • “that’s part of living in the city”

    Was thinking the same thing while reading the letter. The developer is absolutely right. And cry me a river about his “callous” attitude, we are all
    Adults here. Might be time to start acting like one.

  • “You will cast a shadow on me” is not an argument. Before you buy a property you should inform yourself about the development rights around it. Stop whining. If you want to fight it, then lawyer up and harass them at every zoning variance and turn. Why post this? Do you expect some sort of protest lke in Kiev? This developer has every right to do what they want within zoning and HRPB constraints. Event though the town houses are 3 stories the Iowa main building dominates that block. Yeah it sucks for you, but that is how real estate works if you make uninformed purchase decisions.

    • This. When we bought in a transitional neighborhood, we passed on a very nice house because it was adjacent to an underdeveloped lot that will inevitably be turned into a 6 story condo building. I can’t stand people who don’t do their research and then engage in this kind of NIMBY nonsense.

  • gotryit

    “we might be able to incent them to work with residents to create a neighborhood asset.”
    What exactly do you think you would accomplish? Convince the developer to give up $__ million to make what you want because of… human kindness, rainbows and christmas spirit?
    .
    Also, why do you think that housing in one of DCs hot neighborhoods isn’t an “asset”. It sure is for people who want to move there.

  • God this city is full of NIMBYs and whiners.

    “Oh… loss of sunlight… waaa…” “Oh no, more cars…. waaa” “The developer didn’t submit to my every groan and whine…. waaaa!”

    I wish I could meet the author and smack some sense into them. Whining-ass fool….

  • The sad trombone plays somber notes.

  • I wonder how long that gas station will stick around? I’d think they would take the money and run pretty soon.

    Also, anyone have any word what is happening with the Yum’s / Playbill corner at 14 an P?

    • jim_ed

      That gas station lot probably isn’t worth nearly as much as you think it is. It’s a tiny footprint, and will almost certainly need environmental remediation, which is not cheap. It would make a lot of sense to buy it and roll it into a larger project replacing Mr. Wash and Jerry Chan’s, but on its own, the development costs to potential profit may be slim.

  • LOL. How pathetic.

  • I am sorry I just have no sympathy for this. Blocking light? I am sorry but that just isn’t good enough. The developer is right – you live in a city not a subdivision.

  • I think it’s safe to say exactly no one agrees with the whiny OP. This is the worst NIMBYism I’ve seen in awhile. It’s remarkable how terribly selfish some people are that they think the entire neighborhood should cater to and revolve around them. My light! My “privacy concerns”! So important! Not.

    • NIMBYism made worse by hypocrisy. It’s an “I got mine so screw the rest of you” attitude. Or does the OP not see the irony of complaining about a mid-rise building going up next to townhouses when the Iowa Tower is… um… right next to those very same townhouses.

  • It’s like you live in a city or something.

  • Yeahhhhh…. good luck with that one, NIMBY dwellers.

    That was a decent car wash but if they sold out, build what you want on it.

  • You have GOT to be kidding me about this NIMBY reaction. Where do you think all of these new condo buildings surrounding this site came from? Redevelopment of vacant or underutilized plots in the early 2000’s. That this hasn’t happened before this is the only surprising part. Cry me a river…

    The irony is: the condo owners in the Iowa live in a building that neighbors probably once complained loudly about when it was first proposed.

  • Dear OP: Now that your condo is a worthless piece of crap because of this new development, I’ll take it off your hands for a fair price. The new market price may be like $50k because you don’t have any more light or privacy, but I’ll give you $75k. Just message me.

  • That’s living in the city.

  • houseintherear

    Damn, I love having that car wash close by. The only other one in the city is way over in Van Ness. (correct me if I’m wrong, Popville! please!)

    • Yeah, decent car washes are few and far between here.

      There’s one further up on Wisconsin, near Fessenden, and I think it’s better than the Flagship in Van Ness. And then there’s Splash just off South Capitol near the ballpark. They’re not bad either.

    • Yea, the loss of Mr. Wash is the real travesty. That’s a great car wash and the people who work there are nice.

    • The only other car wash or the only other Mr.Wash? There are definitely other car washes. There is a hand wash on Bladensburg and M NE at the BP station called Smokes. There is also a drive-through carwash at the Exxon station on Bladensburg and New York Ave NE. If you live in Logan Circle maybe that’s not the closest for you, but it’s an option.

    • loved it too! first the coin wash at 11th & RI and now this? It seems crazy to drive several miles just for a wash.

    • Get rid of these eyesores. And also the gas station while they’re at it. It would be nice if they put in some useful, upscale ground floor retail – like a Yes Organic Market – but I know that’s a long shot.

      My $.02 is that Mr Wash stinks. They leave my windows streaky and my interior coated with rag lint.

      • Wow, I’m first to admit to being a serious clean freak, but Mr. Wash is the best car wash I’ve found in DC. The Flagship place on CT Ave and Splash on South Capitol both did a half-assed job getting rid of the bugs/tree sap/city grime when I went there. Results at Mr. Wash are great on the exterior and my interiors are always pretty well cleaned up, too. Haven’t had the streaks/lint issues you mentioned, but being super picky about the windshield I actually clean it myself with “Invisible Glass” after the car wash.

        • I WANT to like them – I live around the corner and it’s super convenient. But I usually end up getting the car washed in the burbs since (I feel) there are few decent options in the city.

      • Retail would be nice, but 13th St is zoned for residential only. A cleaners tried to open across the street from the car wash a few years back and the ANC wouldn’t let them do it. Their sign is still up. Perhaps Holladay could help the neighborhood by petitioning for some retail — organic or not.

    • Can’t speak to quality but there is (I think still) a Splash at 10 I Street SE.

    • Georgia ave + Missouri, and another about 6 blocks north

    • houseintherear

      Glad I got corrected! Thanks for the other suggestions, all.

  • I think it’s great that more development is happening here. OP should have realized that the car wash and takeout place wouldn’t last forever.

  • Dear Holladay Corporation – Congrats on scoring some prime real estate in Logan Circle. Might I suggest you use this opportunity to provide a community asset….in the form of a towering, cantilevered Simpsons-esq device that forever blocks the sun from the Iowa Condos and leaves its NIMBY residents in perpetual darkness. Thanks.

  • I say level those eyesores and while we’re at it, level the Iowa Townhouses….they’re hideous! LOL

  • When I was shopping for a home I looked at one of the Iowa townhouse units. Five minutes of chatting with the potential neighbors at the open house convinced me I never wanted to buy into the complex. I looked at dozens of different buildings and never met a group of people more certain that they had a moral authority to protect the “character” of their complex by dictating appropriate flower box plantings, window coverings, and every other aesthetic detail you could think of. It was creepily Stepfordian. This letter is exactly par for course.

    • I mean, I’m all for historic preservation, but if someone tried to tell me what type of flowers I can plant or what type of window coverings I could put up, I’d tell them to shove it. Sounds like you made a wise decision!

  • Holladay should build a pop-up on this lot… with a big ass Eye of Sauron magnifying glass that points at the Iowa.

  • Holy shite the entitlementand NIMBYism of DC whiners never ceases to amaze me. If you have such a stroing interest in having someone subsidize your right to feel like you’re living in the suburbs, buy the property from them.

  • If they want an empty lot next door, they should buy it.

  • This is horrible, wretched news. That something like this could be coming into our neighborhood and displacing my beloved Chinese food. HOW DARE THEY. All other issues are irrelevant- they can put in the Burj Dubai but all I care about is keeping Jerry Chans open.

  • For what it’s worth, some people have paid for parking spots in the alley and would lose use of their property if the alley is changed to a green space solely.

    • Do they have the deed for their little piece of the alley or are they renting from whoever does own the parking space(s)? If what you mean is that changing the alley to greenspace would land lock their parking spaces, then I’m pretty sure any effort to make said “greenspace” would involve public condemnation of the alleyway. At that point the parking space owners could protest and would probably win, since they have a de facto easement in the form of the alley to access their parking spaces. Unless the alley is privately owned (highly unlikely) the city would be unlikely to let it be taken away from its current use.

  • Why hasn’t anyone talked about how delicious Jerry’s is?

    Steak and cheese eggroll is a delicacy..

  • No sympathy from me. This is a part of the reasoning that the Hines Nimby’s are using to halt development in Eastern Market. Waahhhh, my access to sunlight is blocked.

  • Have an A-1 Day!

  • I agree with the developer’s sentiment “that’s part of living in the city.” Move to the suburbs if you want unfettered sunlight and views.

  • Our neighborhood worked with the developers when the new condo buildings were being proposed and eventually built and they in turn did a lot of nice neighborhood improvements, i.e. park upgrades, tree box grates, lighting, etc. Fighting them and creating stall tactics only hurts the neighborhood in the long run. The U Street coordidor lost a lot of amenities that were on the books by the various developers in the area because of the long delays caused by the Wallach St. NIMBYs.

  • I am glad, and by no means surprised, that the Jerry Chan’s / Mr. Wash site is getting redeveloped. Both sites are ugly and both have significant development potential. Wish the gas station would go too. My only regret is that the men and women who work at Mr. Wash may be out of a job. I see these people all the time and it is apparent that they really need the work and/or might not be able to readily find work elsewhere – I’m glad Mr. Wash has given them the opportunity to work.

    Regarding the Iowa residents, please don’t be too harsh – the Iowa Condo. Association has been a fierce supporter of Logan Circle interests since the late-1970s and everyone in the neighborhood (since I moved in in the mid-1980s) really appreciated the clout the Iowa had with Jack Evans an the Mayor – the Iowa has the ability to get things done (except for fixing that stupid fountain in its courtyard in a timely and cost-efficient manner), and the Iowa was a driving force in improving quality of life in the neighborhood. Sure, the Iowa association can be incredibly picky to downright nasty at times, but over the long haul it has been an asset to the community. With that said, they should not (and apparently do not) have a say in what can be built on a by-right adjacent site.

  • Any objective person will see this for the positive that it is.

    • And a rational, objective person would recognize that even apparently “positive” changes may have some negative consequences. It’s all about perspective and context.

      • gotryit

        Sure, lots of things in life have negative consequences. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t fair. Or that we can whine and complain about them without being ridiculed.

        • In fairness to the whole whining route, had OP been at a bar and mentioned how much it sucks that a big building was going in next door, many (if not most) of us would sympathize, raise a glass, and move on to the next topic. But complaining about something and claiming to have all sorts of nonexistent rights are different things. And that’s where OP and the other Iowa residents who are complaining go off the rails. They have no right to involve city officials, as there’s nothing illegal going on, and having the gall to demand things that can only be gotten through a Planned Unit Development (like the “green” alley) makes them look even more foolish. It’s no wonder the developer has stopped engaging them.

    • Except for the rational, objective person who happens to be negatively impacted by this development. (In other words, the residents of Iowa.)

  • While most people are focused on the absurd light-blocking aspect, I’d like to focus my hate on their kvetching about parking. Parking, particularly in the middle of a city, is not a right or entitlement. In fact, it is bizarre that DC grants such a valuable commodity for the relatively cheap cost of a permit. The result is predictable when prices fail to rise to market-clearing levels — lines in the form of people driving around hunting for parking. It’s time to raise the cost of parking permits, big time (ideally paired with a tax reduction somewhere else — perhaps a .25% reduction in the sales tax?). Among other benefits it would bring a halt to the phenomenon of people parking off street who barely ever use their cars.

    • I didn’t see anything in the Iowa protest about parking or other comments regarding less parking from this proposed new development, so why the hate for parking permits?

      • “Finally, the proposed 67 condo units will bring more cars and fewer parking options to a neighborhood where parking is already at a premium.” First paragraph, last sentence.

        • Oops! I was so focused on reading the hilarious comments I skimmed the OP’s post. Either way, I don’t think that raising the permit price will help too much in the long run.

    • I don’t own a car but when I use Smart Car I only have trouble parking is on the weekend evenings when cars from MD, VA and other DC neighborhoods take over the parking spots. So raising permit costs won’t reduce parking problems. And parking garages in residential buildings keep more cars from using street parking.

      • Since the taxpayers of DC maintain the streets, I have no problem letting DC residents have the parking for essentially free. I agree that it’s the overabundance of MD and VA and other out-of-state drivers who tend to screw up the supply of parking in destination neighborhoods. The notion that public goods should all be priced at market rates is ridiculous. If that’s your goal, why not just auction off all the street parking spaces to the highest bidder and privatize the entire thing? DC residents collectively own the street parking in the city and DC residents should be given preference to use it.

        • exactly why i love the 24/7 RPP zones. Cities like Chicago have 24/7 RPP on both sides of the blocks in several destination neighborhoods.

          • Boston and San Francisco, too. I’ve lived in both cities, and they have parking shortages as bad as DC’s, if not worse, and the 24/7 RPP zones are fantastic. My block recently went to RPP-only 7 days a week from 7am-midnight, so that’s a step in the right direction. Now if only they’d enforce it….

          • I agree…while I get the concept that day-time RPP lets residents get to/from their homes for a “regular” 9-to-5 workday, it fails in dense neighborhoods to recognize that lots of people don’t have that schedule. Or that perhaps they’d like to drive somewhere in the evenings and still have a prayer of parking late at night. Or that MD/VA folks coming to nightlife neighborhoods have a higher-than-likely chance of drunken driving on their way home. I wish the city would go to 24/7 RPP in tight neighborhoods, too, and enforce the hell out of violators, especially at night. Parking enforcement is one of the DC Government’s most efficient programs…let’s take it to the next level!!! :)

          • clevelanddave

            Only if you are going to have the city build parking garages or find other ways to expand parking options overall. Otherwise all those folks in MD and VA (as well as DC if you don’t live in the zone) are going to stay home. Not good for business. Not good for taxes. Not good for expanding all transportation options except those you approve of.

    • clevelanddave

      So speaketh the woman without a car. The new development should be required to have a certain number of parking spaces as part of the development, like most urban centers do. Of course it won’t happen because it isn’t in the best interest of the developers nor the current management of the DC planning department. Thanks Harriet!

  • I don’t think anyone should have the right to close a public alley and make it their personal space. What happens to homeowners whose parking spaces are in the alleys or trash and garbage trucks that need to access the alleys? I’ve heard people say that they want to build wrought iron gates at the entrance and exists of their alleys and make them green space. Isn’t that what city parks are for. Alley beautification is a great idea but permanently closing alleys is not.

  • “It appears that Holladay is not interested in Logan Circle community feedback based on their lack of contact with the LCCA, the ANC and Jack Evans’ office to date.”

    You’re confusing “Logan Circle community” with “Iowa apartments community.” I’m a Logan Circle resident and I welcome this new building with open arms. From reading the comments, I’m not alone.

  • djdc

    I believe the takeout place was once — very, very briefly — a French bakery, if I remember correctly.

  • MOAR density, please

  • I would totally get it, and I’d probably actually agree with the Iowa residents, if the developer was putting up a ten floor condo building on that site. The site is relatively narrow and something like that would look very out of place. But six floors? Six floors seems very, very rational to be for 13th Street south of the circle. I could maybe, *maybe* see some rational thought behind asking them to set back the fifth, and maybe even the fourth, floors so there’s a little more natural light that gets down to the alley and just for the general aesthetics. But I just don’t think it’s reasonable to say no fourth or fifth floors at all, especially given the fact that EVERY OTHER NEW BUILDING (and a few beautiful old buildings, too – I’m looking at you, eight-floor Belvedere!) on 13th between the Circle and Mass is at least six floors tall.
    .
    I know it would be unpleasant to have a huge building right beside you, but I also think that at a certain point, you have to realize that there are options for you to pick from if you don’t want that, but you have to pick those choices – you can’t force the others around you to pick them for you. If you don’t want a 6 floor condo building beside you, buy at 13th and Q – that will never happen there. If you don’t like short townhouses, buy at 13th and N. A couple blocks apart, but there’s a world of difference in what will ever happen next door.

  • Nothing is protected downtown. Blagden Alley, one of the few remaining H shaped alleys and on the National Historic Register, is trying to fend off a proposed restaurant that wants to seat 130 patrons, stay open until 2 am, and sport an outside patio with music. The developer and the ANC thinks it will be cool to have a restaurant in an alley, kind of like a speakeasy where you sneak in on foot for some illicit fun….burgers and micro brews. Too inane to believe but seems almost unstoppable.

    • The proposed restaurant isn’t going to replace Blagden Alley, nor change its H-ness, so why is that relevant. Also there are already two restaurants in the alley.

    • please take your rant elsewhere. there is nothing similar about these topics except for a few keywords (alley, nimby, & cranky)

    • clevelanddave

      I just don’t think facts align with your statement. There are lots of historic and restricted locations near downtown and in fact near Logan Circle off of the main drags. For example, I believe most of 10th from L to P is zoned historic, and in fact the circle itself, just a block away from the Iowa.

  • I am a Logan Circle resident and I am for this development.

    Also, “Anybody but Graham.”

  • 13th Street is lined with towering condo buildings. I’ll miss having Mr. Wash but I don’t see how these condo owners – whose units have probably appreciated to the tune of 100K in the past few years – have any kind of case.

  • Sorry Iowans, you’re a high rise yourself, so you cannot say no to another high rise.

  • It is time to apply the English common law Doctrine of Ancient Lights!

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