New Section of 10th Street to be Two Way? Does that Make Sense?

10th street

“Dear PoPville,

When CityCenter opens, it appears as if the new 10th Street NW between New York Avenue and H Street will be a two-way street (see photo), despite 10th Street being southbound-only from Vermont to R, Rhode Island to New York, and H to Pennsylvania. Does anyone have any information on this? It doesn’t appear as if any of the other segments will be turned into two-way streets, so it seems odd (beyond the retail dimension of CityCenter itself) to have the new segment this way.

I do think it makes a hint of sense since it is very hard to travel northbound in that area (either 7th or 11th Street will get you beyond Massachusetts Avenue, but no streets in between because of one-way streets or super blocks). I don’t understand why both 9th and 10th Streets both need to be southbound one-way streets directly next to each other. Thoughts?”

27 Comment

  • What makes even less sense is that they have installed a pedestrian crossing halfway between H Street and New York Avenue/I Street on 11th Street with a light and everything. Because heavens forbid someone have to walk half a block to H Street or north to I Street to cross 11th. That should make morning/evening traffic down 11th Street a real treat.

    • Let me guess Queenie, you don’t walk much do you? Ever used a wheelchair? Ever been on crutches? Ever been 80 yrs old? Ever been 4 years old? Distance measured from the comfort of your mobile eat-in living room means’s different on foot. I’d wager you’re one of those folks who would scream bloody murder if someone took away “your” on-street parking space and you had to walk a half-block more.

      To paraphrase: “…because heaven forbid, you might have to make your right big toe work a bit harder getting from the gas pedal to the brake pedal.”

      • Somebody get this guy a drink.

      • Well, that escalated quickly.

      • Whoa, calm waaaaay down there 123. Are you arguing that every block should be bisected by an extra crosswalk? What evidence do you have that a critical mass of 80-year-olds will want to make this mid-block crossing?

        • Probably not on every block in the city – but in the middle of downtown, in a dense development that will have lots of retail and hopefully masses of pedestrians – yes.

      • Hey, beer’s on me tonight. Let me know when/where.

      • Apparently you are not very familiar with that block or you would realize this is a short part of the block. Meaning the distance from H to I is not particularly long to begin with. And presumably if you are using the pedestrian crosswalk there, you are already halfway to either H or I. Seriously.

        Ignoring that we do not need to accommodate for every situation that might arise (and yes, I was four years old once, to answer your question), the reality is that what this is going to invite is people blocking the intersection at I and New York a few hundred feet up because they will start across and then have to stop because of pedestrian traffic to cross the center of the block.

        I really do not see why we need to put pedestrian walks to prevent jaywalking. The risk of getting run over or getting a ticket should suffice. Also, crossing that block makes little sense unless since there is nothing on the other side of 11th Street that one would need to cut across the block to get to.

        Before you get your panties in a twist, why don’t you bother going to look at the intersection in question. It makes no sense. None. The crosswalk is maybe 300 feet from either crosswalk at H or I streets. All this will do is cause traffic backups that will block an already congested intersection at I/New York and 11th.

      • And just to clarify, I don’t own a car and I walk or cab everywhere. So I’m not defending the poor driving habits of people in DC. But as someone who often takes the bus up 11th Street, this seems like a f***ing nightmare for traffic during rush hour on a fairly busy street.

      • The real reason for the crosswalk and signal is the massive 500 plus car underground garage. Having to deal with that with ought a light would make it though for traffic on 11th. Between the garage ant the new stores on the ally I fully support the new signal.

        • clevelanddave

          Yes, it is going to be a nightmare- both that light and no left lane on H- it makes 11th essentially a one lane street. Between that and the backups caused by Conn. Ave it will be a mess.

          Thanks Harriet!

    • I’m guessing that this is to accommodate and control what would otherwise be dangerous jaywalking at this point in the block. The City Center development has a pedestrian walkway in the middle of that block which, even for able-bodied folk, makes it tempting to cross there rather than go to the end of the block. Like it or not, folks are always going to look for the most direct line between two points – I think it’s smart planning to foresee this.

      • Seriously. DC has the worst jaywalking I’ve ever seen. Idiots crossing in the middle of insanely busy roadways ALL THE TIME. It’s basically a game of Frogger on NY Ave and Rhode Island Ave in the eastern part of the District.

        • Please drive up to Baltimore and try and drive down S. Eutaw St in front of Lexington Market….then come back and apologize to everyone for crowning DC jaywalkers as the worst….up there in Balty its a whole different game!

          • Please fly over to Kenya and drive down any portion of Moi Ave…and then come back and apologize to everyone for crowning Baltimore jaywalkers as the worst.

            Now see how that works, Anonymous 2:47?

        • True, and the jaywalkers of DC tend to shuffle very slowly across the street, all while giving motorists the stink eye. Which is of course rather hilarious to the motorist who is wielding the motorized 4,000 pounds of steel.

          • HILARITY=I can kill you with the flick of my big toe! I’m on the damn floor right now pissing myself from the funz.

      • I’d normally agree that is a good guess, but there is nothing across the street there that would really promote jaywalking. You would walk across 11th street and be standing in the middle of a block that has nothing on it but Cap City Brewery (where you’d still have to walk down to H street to enter) or a Thai Restaurant where you’d have to walk up to I street to enter. Are people desperate to cut across 11th street to get to an alley?

        • Have you seen the plans for CityCenter? There will be a pedestrian mall (“Palmer Alley”) through the site, lining up with the new crosswalk. Given that the amount of specialty retail at CCDC (~300,000 sq. ft.) is about equivalent to a regional mall, there will be lots of foot traffic, and it’s better that they NOT jaywalk but instead have a signalized crossing instead.

  • I’d assume they wouldn’t make just that section two-way. Either adjoining sections will become two-way or someone goofed and wasn’t supposed to paint the road as two-way.

  • My guess is that parking garages are going to have entrances on that street and they want to give them better access to NY Ave.

  • Makes sense. City Center wants to be a destination, so people will want to come & go easily. If you come in to a garage or delivery from NY Ave, you can turn around and go back the same way instead of circling the block. This is being built with very local concerns in mind, not commuters using 10th street to go a mile.

    With the rebuild, they could make 10th street wide enough for big sidewalks, some parking/delivery spots, bike lanes, and travel lanes in both directions. The rest of 10th street is too narrow.

  • Okay, I’ll take the bait here….why can’t all of 10th Street be two-way between Constitution and Rhode Island? The block with Fords Theater (between E and F) is possibly too narrow for two-way traffic, but the roadway along other blocks seems wide enough, especially if parking were limited to one side or the other. I thought the general idea in planning was to give people as many transportation options as possible, and that two-way streets make circulation patterns more flexible and less likely to get f’ed up by random, unpredictable problems (e.g., humongous sinkhole under 14th Street). Clearly there was some reasoning behind making 10th Street southbound, but now that the city core has grown up so much, perhaps it’s worth reconsidering?

Comments are closed.