Double Shooting Involving Family Members on the 500 Block of Quincy St, NW

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From Council Member Muriel Bowser:

MPD reports that they are investigating a double shooting involving two family members (approx 6 AM). Early reports indicate that one shot the other and then himself. Awaiting confirmation of the condition of each. At this time, I have no further information. I will update you soonest.

Update from MPD at 8:40am:

Around 6am, units received a call for a shooting in the 500 blk of Quincy St NW. Two adult victims were located suffering from apparent gunshot wounds at a residence. One male was transported to an area hospital for treatment. The second male is deceased.

Detectives from the Homicide Branch are on the scene investigating. The 500 blk of Quincy is temporarily closed to vehicular traffic.

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  • The summer shootings are starting like clockwork, but aren’t we about due for the annual mass tire slashings? Or do those usually start in July? 

  • Gee… Am I the only getting a little tired of our council member only issuing statements about the severe increase in shootings and assaults? It’s great you want to get ahead of the story so it doesn’t make you look bad, but what is being done? As usual… Nothing. The incidents continue to happen despite “promised” assistance and “talking” to police. Have they caught ONE person involved in any of the recent assaults? Maybe something a bit more proactive such as increased cops/patrols or a special tactical unit like they have in Adams Morgan is required?

    The Mayor and Councilwoman Bowser need to wake up and show their constituents some results. Not more press releases and statements.

    • Already acting like a true Mayor!

    • Tim, I understand your frustration with the marked uptick in violent crime, but what do you suggest could have been done to prevent this particular shooting? Granted that we’re going off extremely limited information right now, but I can’t imagine that it’s feasible to plant a police car on every troubled corner. This was clearly some sort of a familial dispute – are police to forcibly enter homes that house folks with known mental problems without due cause?

      This level of violence is often associated with all sorts of mental and behavioral problems. I completely agree that we must do everything possibly to curb the senseless violence, but I’m not sure just how much can be done by police to combat the underlying causes of said violence. Again, going off the limited information that is currently available, it does not seem like police dropped the ball on this one.

    • Please take your rage to the other shooting – at 11th & RI – that happened overnight.

    • Is there statistical evidence you can share that supports this “severe increase?” Having lived in DC for more than 15 years it seems thus far like a slightly more quiet than average summer. In fact my husband and I were just commenting yesterday that it had been nearly a year since either of us heard gunshots from our home in Petworth–quite a remarkable change from last summer and the one prior when we heard them with relative frequency.

      Are murders up substantially in 2013 v 2012? 2012 was our lowest year for homicides in decades. While every murder is a tragedy I don’t think we should conflate every murder with a “severe” increase in crime either. I would love to see zero murders in DC. But I also am quite certain that if you want to reflect this back to the Councilmember, murders are down since she came to office. I don’t think she is responsible one way or another to be honest.

      • I don’t think anyone is strictly referencing murders or shootings… But also assaults. While shootings seem to be happening alot lately, assaults have been happening at a great frequency too. Chicago, for instance, sends in special tactical units into trouble areas. Statistics show that is has made an impact. If we know where the trouble areas or houses are located, why can’t the District focus on these areas? I hear all the time that we “know where the bad houses are”… However, what is being done? I agree we can’t necessarily blame elected officials, but they do need to be able to demonstrate the ability to solve the issue. I haven’t seen any arrests or progress made in any of these investigations…

  • Slow down, people. WTOP is reporting this as an attempted murder-suicide (thankfully, the person shot survived, but the shooter successfully killed himself). It’s a tragedy, and one that no realistic policy presence could prevent. We can argue later about handgun laws, but for now let’s just support the family destroyed by this.

    • Cant argue about handgun laws until we know if it was a legally registered handgun or if it was illegal. Im betting it was illegal.

      • In which case, there’s nothing that could have been done to change anything, so there’s no point in trying, amirite?

        • I am not saying that. All I am saying is without context there is no point in discussing gun laws. If we dont know the problem we cannot find a solution.

          • Problem = guns. Countries with more restrictions on guns have far lower rates of gun-related suicides and gun-related homicides.

          • That is a simplistic way of looking at things. Are there cultural issues that are relevent? What about mental health issues? Drugs? Gang violence? I could go on. I traveled to tawian and the gangs there used machettees instead of guns. The possession of a gun in an angry sane person’s home doesnt mean they will use it in their anger. I would argue there are other things at work rather than simply the possession of firearms.

          • All those factors are surely important to take into consideration, but if there were less guns available then folks with various issues would have a harder time obtaining a gun, which would lead to a lower rate of overall gun use. Simple economics.

          • But it also winds up restricting law abiding citizens from expressing their Second Amendment right. The trick is to make it harder for those who do not deserve or are incapable of possessing a firearm while not infringing on the upstanding citizen’s rights. Thats all, problem solved. Haha

          • Guns are more lethal than knives, machetes, etc. If you want to argue that the Second Amendment trumps all else, fine, but you need to acknowledge that there’s some pretty significant collateral damage, especially in the form of suicide. JB24 remarks, “That[‘]s all, problem solved. Haha”; my guess is that he/she has never lost someone he/she cared about to suicide by gun. It sounds pretty flippant to those of us who have.

          • Guilt trip isnt going to work, be offended if you want, but the fact stands. Its a complex issue where saying guns are the problem so get rid of them is not a solution.

          • justinbc

            Unless you’re in a militia you shouldn’t be harping on the Second Amendment. People have allowed it to overreach to such extreme lengths.

          • According to the SCOTUS you are incorrect. Since the SCOTUS makes the laws of the land your statement is irrelevent.

          • JB24, I think you need to review the three branches of government. The legislative branch — Congress — makes the laws.

          • Congress actually making laws? Lol
            The judicial system interprets them. Justin was citing his interpretation of the Constitution. Since his is in conflict with the SCOTUS, his interpretation of the Consitution is irrelelvent. Which was my point.

      • If it was in DC, isn’t it automatically illegal?

        • No, according to District of Columbia vs. Heller of 2008, the Supreme Court ruled it was illegal for a city, state, or municipality to ban handguns due to the Second Amendment. There is now a complicated and expensive handgun registration process where only a limited number of firearms are actually legal to register due to specification restrictions such as magazine capacity, etc.

          • Thanks for the info. I thought there was a de facto stop when the only guy who was approved to register guns in DC lost a space to work in, but maybe he found another location. I have to admit I don’t follow this closely because I’m not interested in having a gun.

          • He works out of MPD HQ now over near Chinatown.

      • PDleftMtP

        That is simplistic and wrong. Part of the reason it is so easy to get guns illegally is that it is so easy to get guns legally – hence, a large supply floating around that it is impossible to keep secure. It’s not as if the UK doesn’t have violent criminals, but those violent criminals rarely have handguns – because it’s hard for anyone to get their hands on one in the first place. It’s not hard here.

        • You are right. In the UK they just hit soldiers with cars and then hack them to pieces with machettees and butcher’s cleavers.
          Secondly, what about the six men convicted of targeting the EDL rallies with assault rifles, pistols, knives, and IEDs? How were they able to get that kind of ordnance in country with such restrictive gun laws?
          Granted, you are correct, it is easy to obtain firearms legally, but that goes back to the point of how do we restrict gun laws without infringing upon the rights of those whos deserve to have them?
          Story citing the EDL plot

          • Still, those incidents are much more rare than shootings in the U.S., which kill more Americans every year than the terrorists ever will.

            If Al-Qaeda wanted to kill the most possible Americans, they should just give out free handguns to our citizens! We seem to have plenty of stupid/maniacal people here to do the dirty work for AQ.

          • Sure, it is more rare, but if you are determined to get a firearm in a country with restrictive gun laws you still can. That was my point.

          • justinbc

            In the war of anecdotal evidence versus statistical, I’m going to side with the one that actually uses numbers.

          • And that is why the United States is in the state it is. People just accepting statistics as truth simply because it supports their own ideological agenda rather than thinking for themselves and exploring alternative ways of thinking.

          • justinbc

            Oh I can think for myself, that’s exactly why I prefer to go with statistics over your small random sampling of events.

        • Are you seriously comparing the ability to police the United Kingdom, an island country with 94,000 square miles and roughly 60 million people to the United States, which has 3,750,000 square miles and well over 300 million people and 2 of the longest land borders in the world?

          Get real.

          It is physically impossible to ban guns. Our culture of gun ownership, stemming from our armed revolution and frontierism, combined with the physical attributes of our country (not to mention the fact that most of the worlds weapons are designed in the US) ensures we have to come up with a different solution than just banning it.

          HIppie bleeding hearts might yearn for the day for world peace and listen to John Lennon on repeat, but in the real world we have to deal with what actually might work and some asinine prohibition wont work. All yuo have to do is look at drugs, alcohol, prostitution, gambling, certain books and everything else we’ve tried to ban over the years.

  • Same thing happened at Bailey’s Crossroads, Fairfax Co, last night – murder and suicide. This is something that police/politicians/laws cannot prevent.

    • Whoa, I was just going to say that it was just as likely this sort of thing could have happened in VA.

    • It tends to be harder to kill someone else or yourself via a non-gun method than by gun.

      • Really? Eating the gun is easier than taking a bunch of pills and going to sleep or jumping in front of the subway?

        • Obviously I don’t know from experience but I would say it probably is, yes.

        • Oops, that posted prematurely. “Overall, about 96% of episodes involving firearms and 90% of episodes involving suffocation [e.g., hanging] were lethal. In contrast, 6.7% of episodes involving cuts [e.g., wrist-slitting], and 6.5% of episodes involving poisons [e.g., overdoses] were lethal (table 1). ”

          • That is because people who slit their wrists and take pills usually do so for attention, not because they actually want to kill themselves. They take a bunch of pills or cut themselves and then call a suicide hotline or they do it right before their parents, spouse, etc come home to find them.

          • More leathal and easier are two different things.

          • justinbc

            Well, you asked a question. They simply answered it and provided evidence to the answer of “yes”.

          • They did not answer the question. I asked if it was easier, not more lethal.

        • Glad Pop’ville now has a resident “Tough Guy” pedant to show us all The Truth. Statistics be damned.

          • “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
            Mark Twain
            Also, who says I am a “tough guy”? Because I dont see a statistic as an absolute truth I am tough guy? Or is it because I look for alternatives or gaps in analysis?

          • Also, I am not showing you all the truth, I am simply citing an analysis of alternatives. At least I take responsibility for my comments, for better or worse, rather than just being another anonymous forum poster.

  • A 54-year-old man shot and wounded a relative and then fatally shot himself Tuesday morning in front of a house in Northwest Washington’s Petworth neighborhood, according to D.C. police.

    Officer Anthony Clay, a police spokesman, said the shootings occurred about 5:50 a.m. in the 500 block of Quincy Street NW, three blocks from the Georgia Avenue-Petworth Metro station.

    Clay initially said the gunman, whose named was not released, shot his grandfather inside a house. Police later told The Washington Post that the person shot may have been the gunman’s father, not his grandfather.

    The gunman then exited the house andshot himself in the head, police said. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

    The 70-year-old man who was shot was taken to a hospital conscious and breathing, Clay said. His name was withheld, and he was listed in critical condition.

    Detectives were working to determine the exact nature of the man’s relationship with the shooter.

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