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  • Violent crime is making this corner of town such a dreadful place. How long till it is under control? I want to weep for those who moved here with intentions of bringing money into the neighborhood and raising property values. It is happening so painfully slowly.

    • I too weep for the gentrifiers–so noble in their intentions!–and not the people who lived here first.

      • It’s either gentrification or “white-flight,” eh? Damned-if-you-do, and damned-if-you-don’t.

        Eric, King-of-Community-Building, please enlighten the well-intentioned how one should actually try to address urban poverty and crime.

        • Well to start you can probably disabuse yourself of the notion that any of the people who are “bringing money into the neighborhood and raising property values” were victims of this shooting; and you could probably finish by actually expressing empathy for the victims and not for what the shooting will do to property values in this area? That’s just me though.

          • property values will do just fine. its not ‘gentrifiers’ shooting people in the middle of the night.

          • +1. If the first post isn’t an example of full-blown gentrified myopia, I don’t know what is. After all, when those noble pioneers settled in the savage landscape they could afford, they were doing everyone, including the benighted residents, a favor.

          • +10000

            Thought I’d never see this point of view in the PoP comment section. Now I’ll await the deluge of backlash.

      • Let’s pour one out for the gentrifiers, Jeff!

      • How far back does this go? To just the current here-firsters or the ones immediately before them or like all the way back to the native americans? Let me know where your line in time is and I’ll bet it’s drawn somewhere where you get to disenfranchise someone else.

    • While you’re at it, Jeff, feel free to also weep for the people who keep getting shot.

    • How long until they close that project is the question you should be asking.

      • This is precisely the kind ignorant, knee jerk reaction that fuels the disharmony going on in dc between the gentrifiers and the long standing residents. If you took a genuine interest in the city you call home, you would see that the vast majority of folks who live in places like Tyler House are law abiding, good people. A good portion of them are senior citizens. But because of the actions of a very small few (many of whom may not even live there) people like you want to tear the thing down and displace all of those decent people who have nothing to do with the crime. It is such a shame that despite the social mobility enhancing degrees SOME you gentrifiers wear on your sleeves, the universities you got them from managed to teach you nothing about real life.

    • Yeah, I’m not so sure I’d weep for people who can’t get their property values to rise or the local corner store to carry kale. It seems like there are actual victims here, who you can identify with the unnatural holes in their bodies.

    • if you think that the property values are rising slowly, you arent paying attention.

      besides, the gentrifiers generally dont even notice crime that doesnt affect them. thats why when its talked about on blogs they scream and cry about the crime rate “skyrocketing”. What they really mean is their awareness has skyrocketed.

  • Neighborhood improvement is not bad. No one should ever be opposed to improving an area of the city.

    Displacement of long time residents can be bad (although I would argue if those residents like to routinely shoot up the neighborhood, that displacing them would be a positive step for the neighborhood).

    • Sadly though many newcomers are unable to distinguish between regular long time residents and criminals.

      To many they are all “the other”. And that’s why most of these conversations just break down.

      • If you act as a good neighbor (including to newcomers) you won’t get confused as one of the others (cue them from Lost). If you are a criminal, associate with criminals or go out of your way to be a jerk to your neighbors, then I’d rather not have you in my neighborhood.

        • Where is this the case? In real life if you’re black you’re treated with suspicion and associated with criminality to the point of encouraging nihilism. The degree to which may vary based on class markers but never to the point of absence. That stuff you came up with is just post-hoc justification BS (well he looked like he associates with criminals/his cousin went to jail before/he didn’t smile and say hello/etc).

          • “In real life if you’re black you’re treated with suspicion and associated with criminality to the point of encouraging nihilism”

            Um. What? I’m white, and I live in a fairly mixed-race neighborhood. I’d say about 90% of my block are AA people. I have never suspected or imagined or assumed they are criminals or that they associate with criminals.

            You clearly hate the stereotypes that black people have to deal with in this city (and country) so how about you stop stereotyping non-black people? Sheesh!

          • I don’t see how what farnsworth said is to be taken to mean that all white people feel that way.

            I’m white and I agree with him.

          • well said

          • So do all white people do this or just most? Sounds like a pretty hopeless situation you’ve envisioned.

          • I certainly agree that racism is alive and well but to say that it’s and entirely black and white thing is pretty unnuanced. For poor black people, yeah it’s probably close to 100% but most black people I know certainly havent adopted this defeatist attitude and are doing quite well. So isn’t something more going on — especially when it comes to class as you touched on?

  • I am guessing that Jeff was being ironic. But the fact is that without the presence of gentrifiers, how much attention would incidents like these garner, how much effort would be expended to control the crime that negatively impacts not only the gentrifiers but also those “who were there first” (which is a somewhat spurious argument). It is awful and tragic and all those other words that anybody has these experiences. But gentrification is not the evil empire. The taxes on the rise of property values provides funds for city services supporting those non-gentrification there firsters. No, it’s neither noble nor altruistic. It’s pragmatic.

    • “Here first” isn’t really about the sanctity of being here first, it’s just shorthand for a desperate grasp for dignity and recognition from powerless people being scraped off the shoe of transplants.

      • You missed my point which is that the ancillary effect of gentrification will bring dignity to the firsters to such extent that dignity is something grasped rather than self caused. The newbies screaming for police presence, for this, for that, for the other will not only benefit the newbies but also the firsters. Improvements to the neighborhood, and that is shorthand for nothing, benefit all residents. The setting of firsters against newbies benefits nobody.

        • Police presence was always demanded. Newcomers demand a police state and evacuation (which we luckily don’t get, but I’m tired of hearing complaints that the MPD doesn’t do enough to terrorize the black population on PoPville) thanks to the inability to differentiate between criminals and working class citizens. If that’s even what’s going on. There are also plenty of complaints among the PoPville types about a benign difference of values, such as a dismissal of “ghetto retail” like nail salons and un-branded carry-outs.

          • Yes, exactly. It is a shame (?) and embarrassment (?) – I’m not sure the exactly proper discriptive to capture the true scope that the pleas are ignored until gentrifiers move in. You can stew in self righteous indignation while justified will accomplish nothing, or you can take some sort of satisfaction that now, finally, your pleas are being answered. It’s a cutting of nose to spite face situation.

          • Any cursory research/knowledge of D.C. would show you that corruption in government and deficits were major factors in lack of police activity in the past.

            Leaving aside any moral, race, etc. issues, at the simplest level, D.C. has one of the highest income tax rates in the nation, and when tax paying people demand government services, they get them.

          • There is no need for the pretentiousness. There was nothing said that indicated any kind of deficit of knowledge regarding how DC works. To the contrary it was more than amply implied in the mention of rising property taxes providing funds for city services.

    • Major crimes, like last week’s mass shooting, did receive significant attention before the current wave of gentrifiers arrived. The 2004 killing of 14 year old Jahkema Hansen, a witness to an earlier homicide, in a townhouse in the 100 block of First Terrace, NW led to Anthony Williams green lighting the plan to replace Sursum Corda with new mixed income buildings, including the one going up across the street from Tyler House.

      • With what kind of consistency? With what kind of spin? With what kind of notoriety? In the 23 years I have live in DC, I can remember only about half a dozen major crimes that had an impactful presence in the public forum. Certainly my recollections are not any form of proof, but it takes something quite shocking to be reported from lower tax base neighborhoods.

        • something makes the news because it’s a story. and no one wants to hear the same old story over and over again. the result of telling the same story over and over again is not deeper caring but increased jadedness. oh? a drug deal went bad and a male between 16-26 was shot? i’ve read that countless times and nothing about the story changes. family members don’t organize and speak up. friends refuse to testify. no witnesses. no suspects. no one gets charged. what’s to tell? what words do you need to read about it?

          when a small child like princess hansen is killed, or a mass shooting like the one off south capitol a few years ago, or a mass shooting like the one in front of tyler house where innocent people got shot, there is a lot to say about it. when there are witness and camera shots and suspects, there is a lot more to say about it. and those stories always get a lot of coverage.

          you want more coverage? cover it. yell about it. organize.. make a blog and make noise. but when people stupidly say “where’s the outrage? ” instead of being the outrage, it’s misplaced. tell us the story of outrage. don’t tell us to be outraged.

          • I agree with you. And it’s the gentrifiers who are bringing the outrage to the foreground without being brushed aside. Not too dissimilar from the flooding issues in Bloomingdale, Ledroit Park, etc. The old timers might be outraged about nothing being done because nothing is being done, but it is the gentrifiers with money and the ear of people in power complaining that gets things done. It goes hand in glove.

  • Ah, the privilege to pay 600k+ for a house in this area.

  • I feel horrible for the people living there. I hope the people that got shot heal quickly.

    The whole place sounds like a security nightmare.
    And I’m just heartbroken for children having to grow up in that.

  • I’m surprised people are surprised by this incident. This part of the city has been sketchy for decades. In fact, it used to be way more sketchy when the projects at N. Cap and K were there.

    Anyway, there’s obviously some kind of score settling going on. These kinds of things can go on for years. Let’s hope the cops find a way to shut it down.

  • I feel horrible for everyone living in DC that has to constantly live with the scary violence in certain segments of our society. I fear the unknown shooter every freakin’ day in this town. Way too many guns and thugs.

    • Since frequency scares you so much, you must be a total nervous wreck anytime you get in a car.

    • I have lived on the Hill since 1994 and I can honestly say that any fear I have had due to perceived/real violence has most definitely not constant. I know you personally see stores like this and remember all the news from the 1980’s and early 1990’s and think we are living in a war zone but the fact it we don’t.

    • No thanks. We don’t need your sympathy. You clearly don’t know what it’s like to live here.

      I’m more afraid of a mouse than I am of getting shot. I can avoid the sketchy neighborhoods. The mice are everywhere!

  • I live not far from here (on the other side of NY Ave) and i’m a newbie. I also get a long with the first timers. Neither the first timers or the newbies like the crime and or criminals. I also know the difference between the people that have been living here and the criminals. It’s not hard, our neighborhoods are small and you know and talk to the people that live around you. Actually, you would be surprised how many of the criminals don’t even live around here anymore. They are “repping” a neighborhood where they used to live or where their family used to “run”. That being said something needs to be done about Taylor House and Sursum Corda so the non-criminals (new and old) can live in peace.

    • +1

      There’s nothing more racist than equating lack of sympathy for criminals with lack of sympathy for black people or gentrification with whites. Believe it or not, whites get displaced by gentrification and blacks gentrify. OMG!

  • It’s wild that the initial shooter had a GPS tracker, then MPD posted a truck with a giant pole with cameras on it in front of the building, and people still carry out these crimes.

  • Crazy.

    Can’t stop thinking about the kids I sometimes see playing on the playground behind that building. It’s certainly no fair to them to have to deal with this crap.

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