Advisory Neighborhood Commissions from U Street, Logan and Dupont Holding Listening Session on Proposed 14th & U Liquor Moratorium Tonight


From an email:

Wednesday March 20, 2013
7:00 – 9:00pm
Thurgood Marshall Center
1816 12th St NW

Members from the U Street (1B), Logan Circle (2F) and Dupont Circle (2B) ANCs will be holding a joint listening session to hear directly from the residents and the business community about a proposed Liquor Moratorium for 14th and U Streets. The meeting will be an opportunity for the neighborhood to speak directly to their elected officials who will be voting over the next few months on whether to support a moratorium in the area. Special invited guests include representatives from the Alcoholic Beverage Regulatory Agency, the Metropolitan Police Department, and the Shaw Dupont Citizens Alliance, who proposed the moratorium.

Though this is the only joint meeting being held on the proposal, ANCs may hold additional smaller meetings – decisions or actions will not be taken at this meeting. Organizers intend to give each participant 1-2 minutes to speak and request that members of the community direct their comments to the ANC Commissioners present.

If you oppose the moratorium you can also sign a petition here.

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  • What do people think. Are the ANC’s gonna support a moratorium?

  • anyone notice how infrequently new restaurants open in georgetown?

    thats because of the moratorium.

  • The issue has been raised because smart growth is not occurring on U street. I don’t favor a moratorium – but how about if these inconsiderate establishments would turn down their music, close their doors, clean up the cigarette butts and trash, control the rats, tell their patrons to respect the neighbors etc. And how about of the establishments stop opening next door to homes (V Street bars for example) and set up proper places for them to exist. Every vacant space is not an opportune place for a loud bar – especially when one is living next door.

    • +1000. Well said!!!

    • Every vacant space is not an opportune place to live – especially when a loud bar is next door.

      • hmmm. im a huge drinker and love bars. but cities are for living in too. i’d place homes as more important than bars any day. except during happy hour maybe. but anytime other than that.

        • This is exactly what happens. People live in this city for years, build up its clubs, its restaurants, galleries, night life and culture — then people come in (like in these giant condos on 14th south of U that are going to be opening) and complain about all the things that made these neighborhoods appealing to them in the first place. Drives me bananas. Welcome to living in a city. If you want to live where the streets are always clean, people only drink during happy hour as the above reader suggests, and with no rats…well, I hate to break it to you but you may not be cut out for city living.

    • well said LL. also very important to note that the proposed moratorium does NOTHING to address any of those real quality of life issues listed above. only through a real proactive effort to manage the issues will progress be made, not by blaming all of the ills of the neighborhood on businesses with ABC licenses. sign the petition to oppose the moratorium and support real efforts to manage the issues >>

    • DC is one of the cleanest cities I have ever lived in or visited.

      • +1. I would encourage anyone who thinks DC is a dirty city to visit someplace like Philadelphia, for comparison. They don’t call it Filthadelphia for nothing.

  • I am curious as to how many people who will write in here decrying moratoriums and championing the market are also dyed-in-the-wool democrats who laugh when republicans do the same thing on national issues. Just curious.

  • “About one-fifth of the people are against everything all the time.”

    -Robert F. Kennedy, May 1964

    • “Is there a shortcut I can take to get out of here? Through the kitchen? Thanks, I’ll go that way!

      -Robert F. Kennedy, June, 1968 (too soon?)

  • Moratoriums are the response when rents are so high that mostly only a business with alcohol can survive.
    Georgetown’s moritorium has not resulted in reduced rents – rather the retail is slowly being dominated by high-end global and national chains.
    If neighbors fight redevelopment of DC’s small historic housing/retail stock – the result will be high rent for housing and retail.

    We all can’t have our proverbial cake and eat it too.

    Somewhere there is a happy medium where old row houses can be redeveloped to increase density while maintaining the historic and architecture of the neighborhood.

    • I’ve never understood why anyone would even want a cake if they couldn’t eat it. What’s the point of having a cake in the first place? It’s like “You can’t have your house and live in it, too.” That just makes you a hobo with a $700k house and no cake. And that just doesn’t make a lick of sense.

      • Also, “Don’t shit where you eat.” So if I’m at a restaurant and I have to go, I should hold it in? And I eat most of my meals at work and home. Do I need to use the nieghbor’s bathroom, or go across the street and ask Quizno’s if I can use their bathroom?

  • I’ll be there to oppose the moratorium, and hope others will show up as well.

  • Think everyone should shgo to Happy Hour first, get loaded and then show up to the meeting. Someone pick a spot and I’ll show up..

  • I plan on attending and I’m glad to see that ABRA has been invited. I think we need to find out how to get better enforcement of the current regulations and laws and discuss the licensing process. The status quo isn’t working, but the moratorium is way too blunt of an instrument to put in place as is. I think many people are still looking forward to more casual, neighborhood restaurants and upscale corner stores and the moratorium would prevent those from opening.

  • The moratorium could be a bar/club moratorium only. Allow restaurants (CR) to continue to open, but no Taverns (CT) or Nightclubs (CN).

    And then fine the hell out of Alero because there is no way that place is properly operating as a CR.

    • I think if the group behind the current moratorium push would compromise and agree to something like that, they would find many supporters.

      • *If being the operative word. Having seen them present twice now, there’s no compromising. I think the whole moratorium idea is short sighted and wrong headed and will do nothing to spur continued development. My sense is that’s their whole point, really.

    • +1 on the Alero comment. I can not believe the alcohol board has not shut them down!

  • Hooray LL!! It’s about respect. I don’t see the bars complaining about the loud residents. It’s time that the bars learn to be a cooperating member of the community and turn down the noise and encourage their patrons to be respectable. These outdoor patios operating into the morning are obnoxious. People lived here first and have a right to live peaceful inside their investment. Yes, we are cut out for city life. Perhaps the bars need to learn how to be a neighbor and not a bully.

  • Tangent (and maybe stupid question): how do I find out about ANC and other community development meetings in advance. I love PoP but by the time I get home to read it, the event has usually passed.

  • Exactly. Commissary in Logan closes its patio area at 11 pm while American Ice gets to keep its open until 3am on weekends disturbing neighbors – who were here first – with screaming, drunkenness, and music. What happened to the noise ordinance that the City passed. The Council is a joke and Jim Gtaham is the biggest. He wouldn’t know how to enforce anything he passed.

  • did anyone go to the meeting? how did it go?

    • I wasn’t able to stay for the whole meeting, but City Paper, DCist, and Greater Greater Washington all have reports online. They all say essentially that about 100 people attended and the vast majority who spoke were against the moratorium (City Paper put it at 6 to 1).

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