Mon. Afternoon Rental Option – H St, NE

This rental is located at 7th St NE at H Street NE:

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The Craigslist ad says:

“Fully renovated light filled English basement one block from 7th and H Street NE. Close to Union Station and steps to fabulous H-Street dining, shopping and nightlife.
*approx. 600sf
*stone-tiled bathroom
*hardwood throughout
*recessed lighting
*new appliances, including washer and dryer
*utilities, security system, wifi and cable included

No smoking.
Sorry no pets.”

$1500 sound realistic for this 1 bedroom English basement?

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  • Is it actually at the corner? Like ON H street? In a basement? for $1500 bucks? It does have recessed lighting though… but its a full 8 blocks to Argonaut.

    No thanks.

  • That is so much money to live on H St. You can find 1 bedrooms in NW for that price – and while H St might be a great place to invest a buy a place, the only way I would rent there would be if I was getting something for significantly cheaper than I could in NW.

  • I’m sure people will call me crazy, but I think it’ll go for that price. It seems hard for some people to believe, but a lot of people would rather live in this neighborhood than in NW. I have several friends who live near here (all south of H St; I’m not sure if this is north or south) and who pay around this price (some pay more).

    • 1. I disagree, I do not think it will go for this price. Usually, even on properties where people think they are a bad deal, I figure they will go for that price. This one, I actually doubt.

      2. There are not “a lot” of people who would rather live in this location than NW. There are some, and maybe a good number, I think the vast majority of renters would prefer something in NW. Not just because most of the neighborhoods in NW have more amenities and are more established and have less obnoxious construction (which may be great if you are an owner, but does you no good as a renter), but also because this area is in a metro dead zone and is totally inconvenient unless you have a car.

      • I personally know at least 10 people who rent similar properties for around this price in this area, so feel free to disagree, but I am basing it on more than just what I like.

        And yes, there are “a lot” of people who would rather live in this location than in NW. “A lot” doesn’t mean “a majority. There are people unlike those you hang out with! (I know this is a difficult concept for a lot of people to grasp.)

        Also, a 10 minute walk to Union Station is far from a “Metro dead zone.” Additionally, this is one block from two major bus lines. I have lived in multiple different areas in D.C. (including near here and in several different areas in NW) without a car, and I actually found this to be one of the most convenient.

        • Not to mention, probably most renters in DC do have cars…

          • fact or guess?

          • I have a car, but I wouldn’t want to live this far from a metro unless I was getting a phenominal deal – or the area I was in was really awesome. Now, I do love H St, but there aren’t enough amenities or other things there to justify the price of this rental for me.

            Now, if I had a bunch of friends who lived around here or it really really close to my office, or I had some other unique to me reason to desire this location, I might spring for it because the unit is very nice, but I’d likely hold out to try to find something cheaper in the area.

        • +1 directed at Kim’s appraisal. If we’ve learned anything from watching DC over the last 10 – 15 years, it’s that renter preferences change rapidly as blighted neighborhoods are revitalized. By rapidly, I mean don’t blink or you’ll miss it.

          U Street even 8 years ago had 1 bedroom rentals that could be had for cheaper than some folks are paying today to live in a dilapidated group house in CH. H Street is following that trend.

          I think H Street is great for a single person. I’d love to live there now — if only I was still a renter without roots and such. The price is fair.

        • I actually take it back – if that price really includes electric, cable & internet, it really isn’t that bad of a deal. I wouldn’t say it is an amazing deal, but probably pretty fair.

        • Why do you think this is far from a metro? It’s within a 15-minute walk to two. And what specific amenities is this area lacking?

          • Let’s not kid ourselves, this area’s proximity to metro is not a plus. Just as most places in Adams Morgan. However, unlike Adams Morgan, this doesn’t have a huge amount of restaurants, bars, shopping, etc all within a few minutes. If you live here, you are really stuck with H St, which is great for what it is, but it doesn’t provide the kind of day in day out services that I and I think many others would like out of our neigh

          • You haven’t been to H, have you? There’s a large number of bars — and I’ll say it: the bars on H are better than Adams. If you’re over 25, the Morgue isn’t all that hot.

            The pricing puts this rental in line with other neighborhoods with a 10 minute walk to metro: B’dale, certain parts of Petworth or CH (what’s it called, Parkview?). However, on H nightlife abounds.

          • I’m not kidding myself. The proximity to the Metro is a plus IMO. Why wouldn’t it be?

          • And you’ve got a drug store a block away, a new Harris Teeter a 15-minute walk away, close proximity to the Florida Ave. market…I think people who don’t live/hang out in the this area tend to misinformed about what it has to offer.

          • I actually have been out on H St. There are some cool bars, but there are only a limited number, and quite frankly, it is not somewhere I totally feel comfortable just bar hopping block to block unless I am with a huge group. I guess it is a personal thing, but the areas between the bars has such a desolate feel.

            You are also spouting out walking terms like a realtor (10 minute walk to metro=10 minute speedwalk/light jog). This area does not have public transit at its fingertips in the same way that other neighborhoods in NW do, and the neighborhoods in NW that you referred to this being comparable to (Bloomingdale, Petworth) – you can get 1 bedroom in those for less than $1500.

          • I didn’t say you hadn’t hung out in/gone out to the bars in this neighborhood. Your comment actually proves my point perfectly: people go out a few times in this area, experience only the nightlife, and then think they know what the area has to offer in terms of overall amenities.

            I am “spouting off walking terms” based on having lived in/walked around this neighborhood. It’s not speed-walking/light jogging at all. I’m a petite woman with short legs, so I actually walk more slowly than most. And, if you don’t believe my walking times (because you know the area so well, having bar-hopped 5 blocks from here), check Google maps. It supports the walking times I gave. I get that you don’t want to be wrong, but the facts just don’t support your assertion that this area does not “have public transit at its fingertips.”

      • I agree with Kim: this is pure projection. Not sure what the point is that “more people want to live in NW than on H Street.” More people want to live in the suburbs than in DC. That doesn’t prevent DC real estate from being much more expensive than suburban real estate per sq ft.

        Supply and demand.

  • It may be a little high, but I don’t think it’s that far off. It includes utilities, internet, and cable, which if separately paid would probably run around $200 a month. So you’re basically looking at a 1300/mo rental, which is around what I think this could (somewhat) fairly go for. Also, it’s not a far walk to Union Station for Metrorail access.

    • Agreed. If you think of it as $1300 a month, it is not that bad. Plus by the looks of the pictures, it actually does have fairly good sized windows. I’m not saying its a great deal (it’s not), but as someone who has recently looked for 1 bedrooms in almost every neighborhood around this city including this one, I’ll say someone will rent it fairly quickly, and will probably really enjoy it.

  • I think this person probably did a fairly nice/expensive renovation on their basement apartment and assumed someone would be willing to pay extra for the marble countertops and brand new appliances. But that is absolutely not the case for a basement apartment. People live in basement apartments because overall, they’re cheaper. The same is true of H St – people live there because it’s cheaper. The type of person who cares about having shiny countertops and microwaves enough to pay more for them is not the kind of person who’s going to live in a basement on H St NE.

  • This place will be in a week or less

  • I personally would appreciate it if those of you who would only live on H for lower rent (not always true, also) would stay far away in general. Some of us move here for the community and diversity. Also, if you think the only way over here is by car, I don’t think we live in the same world.

    • I should clarify that I’m totally cool with people looking at the area because parts of it are more affordable–but that quality has everything to do with a degree of diversity and respect for history that many parts of NW now lack because they’ve become too expensive and exclusive.

      • Luckily, people can look at neighborhoods even if you’re not “totally cool” with their reasons for doing so. Now who’s being exclusive?

        Also, the price of rental housing in an area isn’t inversely related to the history there. I think Georgetown has a lot of respect for history.

  • Hey, K, get over yourself would ya? Community and diversity my ass. There’s plenty of community and diversity on plenty of NW neighborhoods — it just costs more. It’s not our fault you can’t afford to live here.

    • Actually, I moved from upper Petworth, which I also loved. My rent there happened to be less expensive, as well. I was hesitant to group all of NW (as previous commenters have) in my first comment since it’s so huge, and full of lots of different places. Parts of it are wonderful! That’s why terming an entire neighborhood as a poor man’s NW is just silly.

  • Isn’t the fireplace a little too close to the counter?

    • good question. i wonder if there is a CoO

      even if there isn’t, i think its a decent deal, far from a ripoff. everything is included. in addition to the money you’re saving, there’s also the convenience of not having to get all of those accounts set up. i would pay at least $30 a month to have someone else deal with comcast.

  • Sorry, I’m sure H Street will be nice in a couple of years (or whenever DDOT finishes the streetcar line), but H Street is not worthy of a $1500 english basement rent now (even with utilities).

  • Extremely unreasonable for an unsafe area and a small basement apartment.

    • I couldn’t agree more.

    • Where do you get the idea that this area is unsafe? The actual crime reports don’t support this idea (when compared to other neighborhoods in D.C., not to neighborhoods in, say, Fairfax County.)

    • There’s far more violent crime in Columbia Heights, Petworth, etc.

      • but not as many auto fatalities.

      • That may be, but this area is one of the creepiest in Washington DC. Some blocks feel like a deserted carnival with a killer clown waiting around the corner to stab me in my face – others feel like a ghost town in the wild west. It’s kitchy, I’ll give you that.

        I realize that CH as of recently has had more violent crime with all the gang flare ups and whatnot, however, I still feel much more comfortable walking around there based on the foot traffic and actual streetscape. I’ve spent a good amount of time on H St and, whether the statistics support this actually happening or not, I definitely have been more concerned about being jumped or being dragged into a darkened alleyway more here than in CH (can’t really speak for Petworth because the time I’ve spent there is more limited).

        Bottom line: you could FOR SURE get something in Mount Pleasant for this price, be closer to a metro, and be closer to multiple neighborhoods with way more amenities than H St has. That is what I’d prefer.

        • drive around the city, i guarantee you’ll find creepier.
          georgia ave has some terrifying parts. the hill near the freeway. pockets of CH

        • And I feel much less safe walking around Columbia Heights at night than this neighborhood. People obviously tend to feel most safe where they live/spend the most time. Anecdotal evidence is ineffective against actual statistics because you can find anecdotal evidence to support multiple assertions.

  • The reality is that people move to H Street only because it’s cheaper than NW, then attempt to justify the move by saying it’s more “hip” than NW and they would have moved there anyway. And we all know this is complete bullshit. There’s a reason why some neighborhoods cost more than others — the ones that cost more are BETTER.

  • I just get so tired of all the bullshit rationalizations. I’m sure K is a nice person, but there’s a reason why K has chosen to live first in Upper Petworth and now on H Street as opposed to DuPont, Logan, or even U Street. And we all know what it is. Starts with “M” and rhymes with “Honey.”

    • Actually, it’s honestly to avoid people like you.

      • Agreed. I moved to this area from Dupont (and, due to a promotion, I actually make more now than when I lived in Dupont). I’d much rather live here, even though I could easily afford to rent in the “more desirable” areas of the city. Different neighborhoods appeal to different people, why is it so hard for some people to understand that?

    • hahahahahahhahaha.
      you’re on a roll!

    • I make well over 100k/yr but live in a fixer-upper in Trinidad near H Street NE. Not because I can’t afford to live elsewhere, but it’s because there are far fewer asshats like yourself here…for now.

      • how did you know that before moving in?

        • Hey anon, why exactly am I an asshat for acknowledging reality? Sure you could live somewhere else besides Trinidad, but you couldn’t comfortably afford even a fixer upper in the more established neigborhoods in NW unless you’re making not just well, but well well well over 100k/yr — unless you never plan to actually fix ‘er up.

          Reality, baby. Simple reality.

          • That’s simply not true. $100k gets you a renovated 3 bedroom in B’dale. They could have bought a 2 or even 3 bedroom house in parts of Shaw — near metro. Lots of options. It all boils down to this: you don’t know what you’re talking about.

            That person maybe spent $300k. They’re smart. They can afford to sweat some equity in, or throw maybe $40k/year into renovations over time if they want to do it retail. If any neighborhood’s going to appreciate a lot in 5 years, it’s Trinidad.

          • For real? You think you can get any house in bloomingdale for 100k? wow. what year is this?

          • Not anywhere in B’dale, but yes, in B’dale. Figure 15 – 20% down, and $100k income. You could easily qualify for a $600k home, which is about what you’d spend on a two level, 3 bedroom renovated condo or house there.

            Now please don’t come back to me with comps of 4 bedrooms or 3 level homes and say they’re the same thing. That’s not the same.

    • K hater is dead on. Even if you could comfortably afford to live in Dupont but choose to live on H St, it is still probably because you decided you’d rather save the extra money or use it for other things. It comes down to money. If you told me that you’d rather live on H St than other more expensive areas (this would include Eastern Market, U St, Dupont, Adams Morgan, Logan, etc) if the price of doing so was just as high, I do think you would be absolutely insane. H St may be great to live in, but one of those reasons (and one of the biggest ones) is that it is cheaper to do so.

      • Yeah, I think “K Hater” sounds obnoxious, but I agree with this point. I think it has to do with the tendency for people to grow attached to what they have — so they love their neighborhood and could “never imagine” living anywhere else. But really it was probably just what they could afford at the time. Just like, you may love your spouse and not be able to imagine being with anyone else, but let’s face it, you probably would have picked someone hotter if that option had been available to you.

        • Exactly right. Although my girlfriend is pretty hot.

        • That’s not really anything more than a tautological argument, tho’. Of course, if you could get something better, you would. Duh.

          The point is there isn’t an objective “better”. Some people think anything outside NW is shit. Single people prefer neighborhoods with bars; marrieds prefer schools.

          When you start to line up neighborhoods in a row according to what they offer YOU, you’re ignoring the concept that others have different preferences than you. Yes, the world exists outside of your head.

          Like me, gun to my head, where do I want to hang out tonight? H Street or Dupont? H Street. I love both neighborhoods, but even if I had Sheik wealth and money was truly no object at all, I’d still prefer H Street for a several different reasons.

          • Sure, K hater hater, you’d rather hang out on H Street. I’m right there with you. But, like so many other K hater haters, you’re personalizing the issue and getting all offended. We’re not talking about you or where you want to hang out tonight. We’re talking about where most people prefer to LIVE in DC, and the answer continues to be the established NW neighborhoods.

          • “I just get so tired of all the bullshit rationalizations.”

            You basically started out by saying everyone else’s opinion was bullshit, which went a long way to offend all your haters.

            More people DO prefer Dupont. No one’s ever said anything to the contrary. That’s not up for dispute, and never was.

            The question is whether people who prefer H Street are plain stingy:

            “The reality is that people move to H Street only because it’s cheaper than NW, then attempt to justify the move by saying it’s more “hip” than NW”

            You refuse to accept that others have legitimate opinions that consider factors besides the cost of a neighborhood. You think “the ones that cost more are BETTER” — but really, that only means demand is higher. Demand objective measure of better. Demand = more people want. Better = according to one’s personal preferences, offering more. Each individual has to make their choices based on their personal needs — to do otherwise is irrational.

          • Dropped a word: “Demand does not equal an objective measure of better.”

          • According to whom, though? And if that’s the case, why do apartments go so quickly in this neighborhood, even when they’re not cheap, like this one? I think a lot of people just don’t realize how quickly rental markets tend to change in D.C.

          • Kim – apartments go quickly all over the city because there is a huge shortage of them, generally. H St draws a particular type of crowd to live there – usually they have lived in DC a while (because someone brand new woudln’t find the area immediately appealing based on it’s “beauty”) and decided it was their scene or they know people who live there. Nobody is moving there because of the “diversity and history.” Get real. If I want my diversity and history I’ll go visit the neighborhood, or better yet, a Smithsonian.

          • We’re not talking about you or where you want to hang out tonight. We’re talking about where most people prefer to LIVE in DC, and the answer continues to be the established NW neighborhoods.

            Just want to point out how fucking stupid this is. There’s actually more demand for housing in the suburbs than there is in the city. And yet, city housing is more expensive. Why? Because you’re ignoring the supply side of the equation. It’s irrelevant to talk about what “most people prefer”. The issue is the ratio of demand to supply.

          • Anonymous-there wouldn’t be a “huge shortage” of apartments in an area no one want to live in, so by admitting that there’s a shortage of apartments in this area, you’re admitting that people do, in fact, want to live here.

            And it’s good to know that you know the motivations of every single person who lives in this area! What a skill!

            And yes, a lot of people do move here because of diversity and history. I personally like it because of the community feeling, which can’t be fully experienced just by visiting.

            The real question is why people, you included, feel such a need to disparage areas they are unfamiliar with. Why can’t we just admit that different areas have different things to offer?

          • Also, comparing the city with the suburbs is comparing apples and oranges. The question on the table is where IN THE CITY people prefer to live.

          • Also, comparing the city with the suburbs is comparing apples and oranges. The question on the table is where IN THE CITY people prefer to live.

            Ok, now you’ve just entered weasel territory. You might consider stopping before you embarrass yourself further.


      • I pay $1,650 a month to live in this neighborhood. So no, I wouldn’t rather live in U St, Dupont, Adams Morgan, Logan, etc. (I’d say Eastern Market is on par with this area in terms of what I desire in a neighborhood.) I could easily find somewhere in a lot of those neighborhoods for the same rent and, with a little work could probably find somewhere in all of those neighborhoods for the same rent. Why is it so hard for people to believe that different people look to different benchmarks in terms of whether a neighborhood is desirable or not?

        • Because you’re not going to find much beyond the bottom of the barrel for 1650 a month in any of the neighborhoods that you just mentioned.

          • It’s awaiting moderation, but I just posted 8 links to places in those neighborhoods that aren’t “bottom of the barrel.” The places I posted are about comparable to my place. (My place has newer appliances than some of the ones I posted, but is an English basement, so there’s a bit of a trade off there.) So, try again!

          • Seriously? You’re comparing studio apartments with old appliances and without in-unit washers and driers (except for the one that’s so small it requires a murphy bed) with the ad here, which is for a one-bedroom place with fireplace, all new appliances, a washer and drier, and all utilities included?

            I guess we have different defintions of “bottom of the barrel.”

            Try again. You’re making my case, not the other way around.

          • Ha ha. Maybe you need to sharpen your reading skills! I was comparing these apartments with my apartment. Reading comprehension FTW!

            So again, I say “try again.” And you are,in fact, making my case.

          • And obviously we do have different opinions of “bottom of the barrel.” Last I checked it was not synonymous with “anything other than top-of-the-line/luxury.” There’s quite a big in-between space there. To me, places that are “bottom of the barrel” are falling apart/dirty/need obvious repairs/have no windows/have infestation problems, not places where you have to walk down two flights of stairs to wash your clothes!

          • You’re telling me you live in a place like the ones on the link in your neighborhood and pay these prices? Wow. You’re getting ripped off.

          • I’m telling you that the places I posted are not “bottom of the barrel.” You claimed that it would be impossible to find a place in those neighborhoods that wasn’t “bottom of the barrel” (or very slightly beyond it). You have been proven wrong, but continue to argue. It’s unbecoming, really.

            And, if you bothered to read my comment (I know, I know, reading comprehension is not your strong suit), you would that, yes, my places does have nicer/newer appliances than some of the places I posted, but, it is a basement apartment, so there’s a trade off there. And it’s all well and good that you think I’m getting ripped off, but when I was looking, I scoured listings for two months in this neighborhood (admittedly, I only looked south of H, if I was looking now, I probably would have expanded my search), my place was the only one I found that had a washer/dryer either in the apartment or in the building (taking laundry downstairs is not a deal-breaker for me, taking it to a laundromat is because I don’t have a car).

            Either way, your claims that all people who live here do so because it’s cheaper have been disproven time and again. Why do you continue to argue? There are so many great neighborhoods in D.C. that offer different things to different people, what’s the point in disparaging one so much?

  • I check Craigslist a lot because I’m looking for a new place, and this price seems to be pretty comparable to other units in the area. I’m not saying it’s a great deal, but it’s certainly not overpriced compared to what else is out there.

  • I live just up the block from this place and rent out my 1br/1ba basement apt for 1550. Didn’t even have to advertise – was rented immediately by the first person I showed it to. Granted, mine includes an off street parking spot, along with utilities, cable, internet. But 1500 is in no way unreasonable. I’ve been in this particular apartment. It’s a really, really nice renovation and feels nothing like a basement. It’ll go for 1500 easy. Many people want to live in the H St neighborhood — because of the community and social aspects not just because they expect lower rents. And 7th is the perfect location — easy walk distance to Union Station; easy walk to the bars/restaurants farther east on H Street. And not any less safe than CH or other parts of the Hill, in my experience.

  • “I think the vast majority of renters would prefer something in NW”. Uh, no. When I visit my friends in Cleveland Park/Columbia Heights I can’t wait to get back to NE. I’ve lived on the Hill for 11 years and wouldn’t live any place else. There are plenty of amenities and public transit options to get whatever you need whenever you need it.

    • Hill’s My Home, just because YOU can’t wait to get back to the Hill doesn’t mean that most people don’t prefer NW to the Hill.

      We’re talking about basic laws of supply and demand: certain neighorhoods cost more because more people want to the live in them. It’s not that complicated. Duh.

      • each post makes you sound sillier than the post before. it’s highly entertaining.

      • The landlord needs only 1 person who prefers H Street to NW. In all of DC, there is at least 1 person who does in fact prefer not to live in NW. How uncomplicated is that?

      • I think the point that you’re missing is that, now that more and more people want to live in this neighborhood, it’s costing as much as many of the more “traditionally desirable” neighborhoods in NW. You’re saying this is ridiculous rent for this neighborhood, but you’re ignoring the point (that multiple people have made) that this is what places in this neighborhood go for. Your assertion that this is a high rent and that people only pay high rents to live in desirable neighborhoods disproves your assertion that people don’t want to live here when you look at the fact that this is actually typical of the rents in this area.

      • In that case, everyone living in Dupont is really settling: they’d rather be living in Palisades, out past the reservoir. After all, it’s Economics 101!

        Seriously, though, the only salient point of your post was “Duh.”

  • It’s amazing how the daily afternoon rental posts have become such a hot topic and an avenue for commenters to argue and get their panties all wadded up. Its just a blog post….over rental properties. Peeps need to chillax.

  • K hater hater has only confirmed my point. You buy in Trinidad over the established NW neighborhoods (and, respectfully, I don’t think most newcomers to DC consider B’dale among them) either for lack of money or in the hope of make money. You don’t buy in Trinidad because you honestly think it’s currently just as good a neighborhood as the ones you can’t comfortably afford.

    I don’t get why acknowledging such an obvious reality merits being dissed as a “Charlie Sheen.” Obviously there are some real fragile egos out there.

    • K Hater, where do you own a house?

      • Really far away from K.

        • So you dont own a house? Or you just dont want to tell us what neighborhood? Seems pretty shitty for you to go around talking all of your talk if you cant say where you own.

        • so glad to hear this

          • K, sorry for hating on you earlier today but your original post (“please stay away from H Street unless you share my commitment to diversity and community”) kinda nauseated me with its pomposity and self-righteousness and brought out the bad sad of me. I stand by what I said — most people don’t choose Upper Petworth and H Street over DuPont and Logan unless they have to — but I could have made the point a little more nicely.

    • fragile egos because people don’t agree with you? do you hire yourself out for parties? you’re good.

  • I used to live at the intersection of 11th and P NW for $1500 a month last year. It was a one bedroom on the second floor. Had everything except washer dryer.
    $1500 is way high for a basement in any neighborhood.

  • DC’s rather strange in that you can pay the same price for a 1 br on H Street as you can in NW, Arlington and even Fairfax. Seems like either somebody’s getting screwed in all of this or DC’s evolved to the point that there isn’t that much difference anymore in terms of access and amenities.

    • Plus – since I was recently randomly shot at on H Street and never elsewhere, I’m going to lean to the notion that this is too high, even if they’re finding people willing to pay these rates in such a transitional area.

      • randomly? what happened exactly?

      • You were “randomly shot at” on H street? Do tell. I refuse to believe this until we get the whole story.

        • Why? H St is terrifying. I’ll believe it until you prove him wrong.

        • I was eating lunch on a weekday about noon. Someone fired through the window. Missed by a few feet and almost took out the cashier.

          • I’m not questioning what you said, but the fact that you were randomly shot at is still anecdotal. It might be a good reason for you not to live in this neighborhood because you personally would not feel safe, but it doesn’t negate the fact that there is less violent crime here than in a lot of other D.C. neighborhoods. My purse was stolen (and my date pushed/punched) in Dupont a few years ago. Dupont is terrifying! I mean, someone could make a similar statement to yours for nearly every neighborhood in D.C.

          • where were you eating?

      • Wow, your life is so exciting. They should make a movie about you.

  • Good points, Trexler. If the rents are the same why not hold out for NW?

    • can you think of no reasons at all?
      how about to be near work. school. parks. friends. the river. hobbies. low scale development. NW isn’t the most convenient location for everyone. maybe you think it is for most people ( especially considering it is the largest quadrant). some people even prefer the suburbs, and not just for price.

      learn more about the people around you. we don’t all aspire to the same things, nor do we have the same needs and valuations.

  • I wouldn’t say just NW, as there are many areas (such as Capitol Hill) that may be worthy of such rates. I just think a funky, hipster / working class transitional area should at least be cheaper than the yuppie bastions several of its new denizens articulate a desire to actively avoid. Seems to undermine the whole argument.

  • K and K Hater – where do each of you live (approximately) and how much do you pay in rent? That should settle this.

    I can’t understand why someone would pay that much money to live in this neighborhood when you could pay that much and live in a (IMO) nicer neighborhood in NW, BUT I realize that is just me. Most of my friends live in NW and while H St is fun sometimes, I don’t seek it out as a destination often. This is very personal to me, and likely someone will snatch this up at this price.

    • Clearly wherever you live, you’re just settling until you can afford to move to McLean. After all, it’s very expensive there, and obviously a much better neighborhood.

  • i am constantly amazed by posters in threads like this that, without really talking to anyone, they know why someone would live in a certain area over others. the notion that their sense of “better”, must be everyones sense of “better” is bizarre to me.

    thank you for reminding me how little people really know about one another.

    • I need to be more clear. Certainly “established” Capitol Hill is a desirable neighborhood on par with some of the best parts of NW. It also happens to have all the elements that Anonymous at 8:41 points to — it’s just as near the same jobs, schools (generally better), parks (nicer), friends (less grungy), the river (closer), hobbies (?), low scale development (same as H Street but prettier and better maintained).

      I don’t rent. I own. But before buying I looked all over DC, including CH and the Atlas District. In the end I chose an established neighborhood because, well, I could afford it. When it comes to where you live, life is too short for compromise unless you have to.

      • schools: gallaudet. jobs: noma

        less grungy friends? far from your pristine friends i guess.
        the river and the golf course are right out benning road from h.

        where is your uncompromising neighborhood?

      • In the end I chose an established neighborhood because, well, I could afford it. When it comes to where you live, life is too short for compromise unless you have to.

        You sound like the “douchebag” character from one of the John Hughes movies. I bet you drive a mid-90s BMW and wear leather driving gloves.

        “The Ultimate Driving Machine: Why Compromise?”


  • Why would anyone want to live in the middle of an active construction zone? I could see buying here – but renting, and renting at a premium for the area, seems foolish. Unless you crave those 6am jackhammer wakeup calls.

    • DC Law states that construction cannot begin before 7AM.

      Sorry, just calling out your bullshit comment.

      • Oh thank god you did. Because it totally invalidated what I said. You get one big thumbs up, internet tough guy.

        Here, let me rephrase:

        Why would anyone want to live in the middle of an active construction zone? I could see buying here – but renting, and renting at a premium for the area, seems foolish. Unless you crave those 7am jackhammer wakeup calls.

        There, see? It would still suck.

  • It’s inclusive of utilities, so it’s fair– probably a bit less than a comparable Adams Morgan or Dupont rental with utilities would be.

    And yes, a lot of people DO prefer H Street to Dupont, Georgetown, etc. I know it’s hard for some people to understand, but it is exciting to be part of a community that is experiencing an artistic renaissance. A renter in one of the established neighborhoods is buying into just that, an establishment. That doesn’t appeal to everybody.

    A lot of the people who buy and rent on H are doing so because they want to be part of the community building/rebuilding process.

    • Nobody prefers H Street to all NW neighborhoods. NW has more than Dupont, which has been thrown around here. Adams Morgan, U St & Logan Circle are some of the most desired locations in the city – especially for renters. Assuming all things in your personal life being equal (you don’t have a weird commute, your friends/girlfriend/boyfriend doesn’t live on H St), I would say 99% of the DC population would prefer to live somewhere in NW than on H St.

      Ok – somewhere in NW or in the really good part of Cap Hill.

      • very nice statistic! 99%! amazing research!

        why do you guys just make up shit to back up your opinion? you have an opinion. fine. leave it at that.
        so many desktop sociologists.

      • Well, I prefer H St to all NW neighborhoods. (Not that there’s anything wrong with any NW neighborhoods, it’s just my personal preference.) I don’t have a weird commute, two friends live on H St., but the majority of my friends don’t. I just like the area. It’s easy to get around, there are interesting restaurants, there’s a strong sense of community. So I guess your assertion that nobody prefers it is wrong!

      • I guess I should have made clear that I am one of the people who does prefer H Street to all NW neighborhoods. And like Kim says, nothing wrong with NW neighborhoods, just my personal preference.

        And yes, that is all things in my personal life being equal, whatever that means.

    • I can totally appreciate wanting to be part of building something and the sense of community. I just find it strange because that motivation is usually accompanied by lower rents. If the area is already as expensive as the established neighborhoods with far less stability, then where does the market go? Does it surpass U Street / Dupont in price once it becomes established?

  • This thread is still alive?

    Your initial argument was based on the market being the sole arbiter of what is good. Price denotes quality. But as was noted above, the topography of rental prices across the city is getting more and more flat, in effect negating your argument.

    You can’t have it both ways. Either price trumps all, or it doesn’t. If prices on H are high, it must be because H is good. Reality, baby.

    Regardless, if you can afford a penthouse in Dupont, you shouldn’t be deriding the neighborhoods of people who can’t. It comes off as snobby, boorish, and shitty. Grow a heart, tin man.

    • Sigh. I don’t live in DuPont, and I wasn’t deriding H Street or any other neighborhood. Some of my best friends are looking to live there, ha ha.

      Again, I was just calling out K for her bullshit comment that she moved from Upper Petworth to H Street for the “diversity and community” and for admonishing anybody who wants to move there solely to save money (or who doesn’t know that you don’t need a car to get around) should just stay away. If there’s anything worse than snobbery it’s self-righteousness, and I felt compelled to provide a reality check: more people than not who move into Washington and end up settling on H Street or Petworth do it not because they prefer those neighborhoods over any others or are in search of “diversity and community” that the rest of us don’t care about, but because these are the neighborhoods that they can afford and they’re taking a chance the neighborhoods will get better. There’s nothing wrong with this, you work with what you have, just spare me all the trailblazing “I’m better than you and I care more” bullshit.

      • Don’t you see that you’re the one with the “I’m better than you” attitude? I mean, you’ve said multiple times that you wouldn’t live over in the H St. area because you have the means not to. Even though many others who live there also have the means not to, you’ve consistently insisted that those who live there somehow have to because they just can’t afford to live in Logan, Dupont, etc. And you’re saying someone else has an “I’m better than you” attitude. Are you serious?

      • This entire time, you’ve been saying NW is BETTER than H Street, and that only cheapos and poor chumps live outside of NW. You’re calling certain neighborhoods worse. Derisive? Yes. Insulting? Surely.

        *knocks on K hater’s skull* “Hello, is this thing on?”

        *yells into K hater’s ear* “Echo! (echo… echo… echo)”


      • I don’t think most people move into DC move directly to H Street. I think everyone we’re talking about starts out in NW somewhere, be it CH, Petworth, etc. I think it’s a neighborhood that people move to after they live in DC for awhile and realize there is live outside of NW.

        The comment “settles for” is a little over the top.

        I’ve lived all over DC and I’m glad I bought where I did. I live about 6 blocks south of H. I like H. I would rather go out on H – than anywhere in NW. I haven’t been out in adam’s morgan in about 5 years. I’ll occasionaly eat dinner in Dupont,georgetown,etc but think that H/Barracks row can give me the same quality food. It sucks that DC is built so that east/west travel is so hard-we rarely go to NW for anything anymore..the point is its hard to see value if you don’t really know the area. People buy and rent in different places for different reason, not all of it boils down to “community perceived notion of quality”..if that were the case I’d love “two and half men.”

        • between H Street, Capitol Hill, Union Station, and Eastern Market, with Chinatown just a spit further, there really is a solid block of city there. I remember when Cap Hill was such an isolated outpost.

  • When my husband and I were looking for a new place to live after our landlord decided to sell our condo in Dupont Circle and we weren’t willing to pay a lot of $$ to buy a drab basement/ground floor place with a view of an alley, we started looking for other rentals.

    Looked at places in Adams Morgan and Dupont. looked at places in Columbia Heights and U Street. Then we found a great apt just off H in Capitol Hill. The prices were all comparable, but we liked the fireplace and the access to a back yard in the Capitol Hill apt, so chose it without knowing the area.

    After we moved in, we fell in love with the neighborhood and chose to buy there a couple of years later.

    The ad doesn’t specify whether the apt is north or south of H, by the way. North of H has its challenges but it has changed incredibly in the last five years. And south of H, well, calling the neighborhood shady or dangerous is pretty ludicrous.

    I have friends who live in Cleveland Park and others who live north of Georgetown, I lived in Dupont and Adams Morgan and if I were given $800,000 to buy a place tomorrow, I’d stick to my NE ‘hood. Others might choose a 4-bedroom in Fairfax. Thing is, K-Hater, you can’t say everyone would choose by your rubric.

  • Oh, lou, tsk tsk, once again all you’ve done is proven my point. You started your search by looking in the established neighborhoods. You expanded your search after not being able to afford what you wanted in an apartment and found something on H that had it. And so you moved there. The one thing you’re not saying is that if you found the same amenities in NW at the same price as the H street place that you would have moved to H street anyway. Case closed.

    • Of course he proved your point. Who is going to move to DC without knowing anything about the city and choose H St?

    • K hater, read what lou wrote: “The prices were all comparable”

      I bestow upon thee the Cherkis Medal of Obtuseness. Perhaps now you’d like to thank all the little people that made this possible?

      I almost feel bad, because I’m starting to think there’s something wrong with you — a brain disorder of some kind that isn’t fair to mock.

      • Tres, read what Lou wrote: “The prices were all comparable, but we liked the fireplace and the access to a back yard in the Capitol Hill apartment.”

        Translation: the Caiptol Hill apartment offered more for the same money.

        I don’t get how people can seriously argue that you get more for your money on H Street and that that’s a motivating factor for many buyers/renters?

        • Seriously? You think either of those things is worth a lot of money?

          If it were a private yard, maybe add $50, but regardless, it would still be within their price range — translation: money was not an object in their decision.

          Keep trying. That wall is eventually give way to your head.

        • exactly. we could have chosen the apt in Dupont Circle that was larger, but we valued outdoors and fireplace more.

    • K Hater – your attempt at arm chair economics is laughable. mostly because you forget that people attach different value to different things. By your assertion, everyone buys the most expensive place they can afford. This is just not true. Many people attach a great deal of value to having liquidity, which is built by having a healthy surplus from every pay check.

      From an economics perspective, the most beneficial thing to do is to buy the least expensive place that meets a certain threshold of your preferences.

      Your idea of “you should never have to compromise” is idiotic. Every purchase is far less than the maximum, therefore every purchase has inherent compromises. Do you drive a maybach? Live in a mansion 5 blocks from your office? exactly. You’re lying if you’re saying you didnt compromise on your purchase.

      I’ve been reading your posts for the past day and everything you say is completely off base.

      Now, go back and read a book.

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