Heads Up – MPD Announces New Red Light Camera Locations

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It should probably be assumed that they are on every corner but this release came out late last week:

The Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) announced today the deployment of three new photo enforced Red Light Cameras locations beginning Monday, October 11, 2010.

Red Light cameras deployed throughout the city act as a force multiplier to allow MPD to monitor and enforce traffic safety compliance.

In selecting locations for the Red Light Cameras, MPD considers calls for police service, crash data, speed feasibility studies, as well as recommendations or requests from the Department of Transportation, Advisory Neighborhood Commissions and civic or citizen associations.

The thirty day educational phase will commence on October 11, 2010 where as violators will receive warning citations. On November 12, 2010, MPD will begin issuing live citations to violating motorists.

The new red light camera locations are as follows:

1. Connecticut Avenue southbound at Porter Street NW

2. 14th Street northbound at K Street NW

3. 3rd Street southbound at New York Ave NW

For more information about automated speed enforcement in the District of Columbia, log onto http://mpdc.dc.gov/automatedenforcement

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  • bought damn time they put one at 14th and K.

  • I am still mixed on red light cameras. What I am not looking forward to are the new stop light cameras. They put sensors in the pavement and issues “tickets” if you do not stop for the required XX seconds at the stop sign.

  • Clearly this stuff is needed.

    As for you “Big Brother” haters… well, its higher taxes or more fines for the idiots and dangerous fools out there.

    I would be ok with one on every corner.

    • I think police roadblocks should be at every corner with breathalyzers, and they should have cyanide dispensers built in, that way, if somebody blows > .08 it just takes care of the problem right there and then. I wish they had quick roadside test for pot too – same reason.

      Imagine how much safer the roads will be with all the substance abusers out of the way! Utopia here we come!

      Also, all cars should come with razor sharp cowcatchers to take care of those pesky jaywalkers.

  • Cool. I’m okay with as many of these as they want to put up. I understand why people don’t like them, but so far I don’t find the anti-arguments more convincing than the pro-arguments.

    • I guess people dont like them because they just work to make money for the city. But that shouldnt be the case to not like them, they do work well to deter people from jumping signals, so have them everywhere!

      On a side note, I am against cops hiding in alleys or behind trees etc to catch speeders. They hide, which makes the driver more likely to speed and then when he does, they get ticketed.

      But had the cop been visible, which DC cops usually so like to be with their blinking lights all the time, no one would speed.

      I am against this because a speeding car can cause accidents and a cop present on the road can prevent that accident by being visible. So the possible accident can be avoided completely.

      This is what I really hate. The cop is taking a risk to allow a moron speed past him to ticket him, but wouldnt do shit to just make people follow the law.

      • These are good talking points, but for me these kinds of arguments are irrelevant by the simple fact that when you obtain your license you agree to abide by the laws of the road, i.e. no speeding and no running red lights. Visibility or non-visibility of police and/or cameras should have zero influence on whether or not you follow the rules of the road.

        In your example, I would argue that the accident can be avoided completely by the car not speeding. Period. Nothing to do with the police, visible or not visible. The cop is not taking or creating a risk. The driver breaking the law is taking the risk, and creating (additional) risk for others as well.

  • They should have red light cameras everywhere. Jumping redlights should be a zero tolerance offense and the license should be revoked.

    It should be a zero tolerance offense for bikers as well, their bikes should be destroyed.

  • Why not just put cameras, censors and GPS in everybody’s cars. Whenever you break the speed limit, run a red-light, talk on your cell-phone, curse, spit litter, you get a fine. That will solve all of our budget issues and make a gay(happy) city.

    • The best part is, if you stop for longer than the red-light time near any know drug market, the police could be immediately notified and come search your vehicle. It would be fantastic. Sure it’s not as good as a proper Telescreen, but it’s a step in the right direction…

  • Problem with red light cameras are how some of the vendors fool with the timing so you must anticipate the yellow to not get a fine. Even if you follow the law to the letter (stop proceeding as soon as it turns yellow) you may get a ticket if you proceed near the end of the green since you will not have time to complete traveling through the intersection.

    If they had real yellow cycles, I would want every single intersection in the USA to have red light cameras. And I would want them to be actual moving violations instead of “fines” so points would be accumulated and licenses lost.

  • I would love to see these tickets indexed to your income (as is done in some parts of the world, like Switzerland). 50 bucks is nothing to a K street lobbyist making 300 grand.

  • Southbound 3rd street NW at NY Ave? Can anyone figure out how to even get there, let alone speed through it?

  • “1. Connecticut Avenue southbound at Porter Street NW”

    I don’t know if this will bust people who turn left from Porter onto Connecticut (I hope not) but if so then this is a travesty.

    This intersection is terrible, and Porter street traffic has a near impossible time turning left without encroaching on the heavy pedestrian traffic.

    If you act responsibly as a driver, you end up waiting until the end of the light cycle and running the red light. Otherwise, you will usually end up pushing through pedestrian traffic, because it is frequently non-stop for the whole light cycle.

    So this could result in drivers who are actually trying to be as considerate as possible, and not encroach on pedestrians, being ticketed for that courtesy.

    This light desperately needs a left-turn signal from Porter Street to prevent backups, driver frustration, and people caught in the middle of the intersection when the light changes. It would be much safer and smoother for all if there was just a turn cycle.

    • Well, sure, but how would that increase revenue?

    • +100

      There are only a few ways to get across the park in that stretch. It’s either there, drive down through Woodley and deal with everyone getting on Rock Creek, or turn earlier on Tilden (which does have a green arrow). I completely agree.

    • Half the back-up problem from Porter would be eased by removing one or two parking spaces (only added in the past year or so) from the right lane so cars turning right, to go north on Conn. could get out of the way. As is you have one lane for all cars going straight, right and a most difficult left.

  • why should the state (or city) be able to tell you how fast you can drive? red light cameras are one thing, speeding laws are entirely different in my opinion. People should be able to go a million miles an hour if they can and want to, but be prepared to suffer the consequences if they hurt or kill someone in the process.

    • Did you ever notice that the fine and points are the same for speeding on an empty stretch of four-lane with light traffic, as they are if you do it on a busy city street during a pedestrian protest?

    • Even as I hate automated enforcement cameras, that’s a pretty irrational argument. Why not say, e.g., “people should be able to fire automatic weapons in DC all they want, and suffer the consequences if they kill someone?”

      Driving fast in built-up, pedestrian heavy areas is not safe. Neither is firing guns in a city. That’s why they are both illegal.

      That said, most speed cameras in DC are placed with maximum revenue in mind, not safety. Most of them are on wide, multi-lane roads, in many cases, where a speed limit has been reduced close by, or there is little or no pedestrian traffic or history of accidents.

      There is absolutely no correlation between safety and where speed cameras are placed. None.

      Examples: 395 underpass — limited access, no pedestrians at all, just after leaving 395.

      New York Avenue – after leaving Route 50, on long stretch between S. Dakota and Florida avenue. Never seen a pedestrian there, as there is nothing to walk to.

      • examples:
        the one at 7th and florida ne was put in place after two girls were mowed down and killed.

        the one in front of trinity college on michigan avenue is placed because pedestrians were in jeopardy from traffic speeding around the bends in the road.

        those are the only ones i can think of to specifically refute your argument.

    • People should be able to go a million miles an hour if they can and want to, but be prepared to suffer the consequences if they hurt or kill someone in the process.

      Right, but in this area, and in the US in general, there are no consequences. Oh, and you absolutely have the right to drive as fast as you want to—just not on the public roadways.

      Why not buy some property and build a racetrack? Woot!

  • bfinpetworth

    My recent experience with a camera ticket – I apparently was clocked speeding on North Capital back in August. We never received the initial notice of fine, then a couple weeks ago got a reminder with a late fee. So the fine went from $125 to $250. How do I fight that? I can’t prove that we never received the original notice of infraction. I know a few other people that this happened to so I’m suspicious of a city scheme to make a little more money. I hate being jaded, but I am…

  • Sure, I can see both sides of the issue. I got caught by one at 4am in Atlanta where I clearly messed up, paid the $70, and was done. What I DO have a problem with is that I get a ticket for (and now have a notice to appear in court for) the one by my house at Rhode Island & 1st St NW. I turn right there everyday to get to my house. There is no sign that says “no right turn on red”. I have been turning right on red there since I moved here and the camera decides to count that, sends me a picture of myself doing nothing wrong, and then want me to pay $150 for it. Ha!

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