Petworth at War: Shooting Homicide at Georgia and Allison St, NW

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This has gotten beyond out of control. From MPD:

“Around 2am, [Fri/Sat] units received a call for sounds of gunshots and shooting victim at Georgia Avenue and Allison St NW. Officers discovered a male shooting victim who was transported to an area hospital where he was pronounced.
The lookout is for 3 black males fleeing from the scene.
Currently, the 4400-4500 blks of Georgia Ave NW are temporarily closed to vehicular and pedestrian traffic.
The Homicide Branch is on the scene investigating.
Anyone with information is asked to call 1-888-919-CRIME.”

From Council Member Bowser:

“Neighbors- Commander Missouri briefed me during the night about more violence in 4D last night. Chief Lanier has made additional police resources available in 4D to address this spate of violence. I will be in continued discussion with them today to discuss strategies in 4D. Police will be canvassing for evidence and talking to anyone who might have information.”

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  • When I heard the shots (I heard about a dozen) and called 911, I was put on hold for a couple of minutes. It turns out many of my neighbors were also calling.

    The police are inside 4423 Georgia Ave. right now. Apparently, they took away a few suspects before 10:00 a.m.

  • 4423 Georgia has been a problem for years, and the police routinely show up. Unfortunately, it took this murder for the police to finally get inside the property.

    • uu have never lied that is why i got away 7yrs ago who really want to live next to a crack house or where a murder occurred inside the house i hope and pray that the family can regroup and get it together but but honestly the fault should be on the owner for not screening his potential tenant more carefully before renting i bet it is about the money u know the saying as long as the money flow i dont know JACK!!!!!!!

  • Anyone remember the last time any of our elected officials talked about crime reform at all? Don’t think for a second there’s any serious law enforcement response afoot. The shooters, if they’re caught, will be released soon enough. Retaliation is in order, and the cycle will continue.

  • Time to lock the neighborhood down a la Trinidad. Hey, I’m not doing anything wrong and I’m not giving up any freedom or right.
    Do this for a couple of weekends, see how it works. . .

    • Ruled unconstitutional last year:

      With Lanier possibly being fired by Grey she’s probably unlikely to push her luck. Or maybe she is, she’d be snapped up by another police department relatively quickly I’m sure.

      • Lanier getting fired would be the worst thing to happen to this city. Complain about the lockdown, all hands on deck stuff, but overall police response is a hell of a lot better than before. news groups, showing up at community meetings, 50-411, local commanders giving out their phone numbers, etc…

        • I doubt it will happen myself, but if it does it will be because the union (FTOP) hates her, largely due to quibbles over all hands on deck, and because she’s white. Its not due to her performance on the job, which I’d say has been good given my overall sentiment that the council and mayor are the problem, in addition to the ‘stop snitching’ culture if wide areas of DC.

    • 1. Petworth has too many streets and alleys for that too work. Not to mention is a lot bigger and has more people.

      2. There will be open racial profiling if that we’re to happen and it will turn ugly. Petworth isn’t even seeing the same amount of crime or murders that Trinidad was, not even close. People just have to suck it up and the police have to find other ways that doesn’t violates ones rights to crack down on crime. You know damn well police isn’t gonna set up check points and stop EVERY car, bus, bike, and pedestrian that goes into Petworth.

      Think before you type.

      • But I have thought about it. Every day that I have to walk past the memorial for the kid who died in front of my house. When I was at Godleski’s vigil. When I hear the gunshots.
        If there were a dragnet in place for a while, things would change. It’s not profiling if your the only one hanging around at 1 AM on a street corner or hidden in a park.

        I’ve thought about it quite a bit.

        • Again, they’re ruled unconstitutional, don’t expect a resurrection of the tactic for quite some time, if ever. DC just paid out $22 million for MPD mistakes made during protests, and Trinidad lawsuits haven’t made it halfway through the courts yet, but its a cautious time in MPD I’d guess.

  • We need to hold Phil Mendelson, other elected officials, and the judges accountable.

    Mendelson oversees the public safety committee and too many crime bills have been held up in committee for too long. The judges are often too easy on sentencing and our laws do not provide enough punishment to deter crime or prevent repeat crime.

    As a community we need to do our part — report ALL crimes to MPD, attend PSA meeting, build relationships with MPD, and rally our elected officials for stronger laws and penalties.

    • i’d throw attending pta meetings, building relationships with your neighbors, and getting to know the police responsible for your neighborhood in their as well. passing laws is great, but having something on the books isn’t the same as enacting a better reality.

    • I had an interesting chat with Mendelson two years ago on a similar issue. First, he’d only talk with me face to face, so I had to take an afternoon off to go talk to him. This clearly annoyed him as I apparently ‘called his bluff’ by showing up in person to chat. Regarding crime, he went on for 15 minutes about how things weren’t as bad as I was making them out to be. Repeat, he responded to the murder of a 15 year old, the sodomization of my elderly neighbor by a burglar, and a local man being beaten (along with the ongoing normal litany of theft, vandalism and other stuff) within two weeks as normal. Then, he proceeded to imply that maybe I shouldn’t have to moved to where moved to.

      That is our political leadership on this issue, and Mendelson just want a resounding victory. Face it, the majority of the electorate wants someone soft on crime in charge of that committee, and he is an expert in feigning sympathy for all the poor black men in jail. In general, no one on the council needs to live in these neighborhoods or travel through them other than by car. Crime is just not a priority to them at all, and its not out of the ordinary to most DC residents.

      • i understand your anger at the situation and don’t dismiss the need for tougher laws where appropriate, but i do caution against thinking that the only thing causing violent crime is the ineptitude of phil mendelhson or that the only responsible reaction in response to continued violence are calls for his ouster or that our only responsibilities and opportunities for making dc safer involve tougher jail sentences to the exclusion of education, community development, and police engagement. lobby phil, educate the rest of us, and press for tougher laws, but don’t overlook the other things that need to be done. silver bullets don’t exist.

        • Exactly, my point is that there is not much hope for change in near future (5 years say). Folks need to understand that no matter how much they scream and shout on crime it doesn’t make much of a difference given the utter abdication of responsibility exhibited by our city and federal government on the issue. If people are really scared for their safety or in deep angst over living in such an area, they need to get out. Simple as that. This is why so many people choose MD or VA over DC.

          And jeez, holy run on sentence 😉

          • you got me on the run-on sentence. that guy is scary when you look back at it. don’t know what got into me.

            i think we probably agree on a decent bit. i just don’t want folks to think that dyrs is broken and mendo that they’re clear of having to take the initiative on other fronts.

      • Mendelson is a fucking asshole and is a big part of the problem. REALLY bummed he won re-election – big win for crime!

  • More and faster gentrification, please. I don’t care where the displaced move to, I just want it to be outside of DC, and preferably far enough away that they’re not even tempted to visit.

  • Good thing we gave up voting rights for gun control.

  • It’s amazing how many (not so) closet racists post on this blog.

    • Dennis, I haven’t heard one mention of race about this incident until you brought it up. Thanks.

      • It is about race. The black kids in this city seem proud of their violent ways, running around calling each other nigga, callin’ young girls ho’s, and shooting up the place every 3rd day. When was the last time a young white child was involved in such a weekly DC-shoot-em-up-fest tradition? How many white kids are released from DYRS only to go out and kill someone? For Christ sake already…

        • Your post would have been insightful (rather than racist) if instead of “the black kids” you had written “some black kids.” If every black kid in dc was violent, there’d be a lot more crime. Every police officer will tell you that the great majority of the crime is committed by a small percentage of the population – for example, the multiple repeat offenders that shuttle through DYRS.
          And for what it’s worth, when I was growing up in the late 70’s early 80’s, my black friends and I often used the n- word to refer to each other. Yet none of us were or became criminals. The language isn’t the problem; it’s a mentality that has unfortunately gripped a small segment of certain black communities.

        • It is about socioeconomic status not race.

        • See I agree with you, even though I’m pretty sure your white. There ain’t no white thugs in D.C., but there are some in Baltimore and Charles County where you have poor white neighborhoods too. I hate to say it be maybe D.C. needs to attract low income white people too so it’ll be a less of a racial thing when crime gets mentioned

  • I think tha Dennis was referring to himself. Right, Dennis?

  • Lanier has almost nothing to do with the solution unless she orders her detectives to track every kid from DYRS or who is a suspected or known crew member when they leave their house. This will never stop until the kids know that they won’t be immune from meaningful penalties and their identities remain in a veil of secrecy. The laws need to be changed, remove the mandated privacy, let us know who they are, what crews they belong to, their violent history, put them in jail for much longer periods of time, use the death penalty if you have to. I think we need civil disobedience, let’s not pay our DC taxes until their is meaningful juvenile policy changes. And someone please sue DC for wrongful death for failing to control the city’s known violent youth.

  • Lanier has done a decent job with the resources she has. These continued violent crimes indicate that she does not have enough resources. We need more police, period. More police to provide more presence consistently in all areas. We need more outreach programs to help reform would be violent criminals before they are already entrenched in a life of crime and violence. And as others have noted, we need more community involvement. Unfortunately, as others have also noted, repeated requests for police support in troubled areas have often gone with little action. I don’t know why, but I hear and read this time and again. The MPD likely does not have the manpower to follow up on all the problems, so we need more, and we need to keep pushing our councilmembers to get the MPD the resources they need.

  • Good point about resources, we pay for police, public housing and schools, food subsidies, welfare, and what do we get, a practically-state-sanctioned-youth-militia that is well armed and extremely dangerous that acts with near impunity and secrecy.

    And we have a blueprint for acting on the possible solution.

    Is anyone following up on this? The Council and Mayor should resign if they can’t resolve this youth violence issue in the next 6 months to 2 years. It’s a National disgrace that has to stop. We need more than the police to end it.

    • Thank you for introducing some policy suggestions to this dialogue. The suggestions seem logical: improve community-police partnerships, provide youth mental health services, involve the families of the youths, improve inter-agency data sharing, reduce truancy/drop-outs…
      I often see complaints here about the law preventing a juvenile’s name from being made public, but I didn’t notice any recommendation in this report to change that law. I would be curious to hear someone offer a reason why making public the names of youth offenders would help reduce crime.

  • I think its irresponsible to write as a first line “this has gotten out of control”. Really? Is this year statistically worse than usual? If so, then say that instead of vaguely insinuating that the apocalypse is near. The police have been doing a much better job than in the past.

    • In actuality, total homicides are down to date, and total non-fatal gun violence is down to date. At the current rate, total non-fatal gun assaults will drop by about 13%, while homicides will drop by 11%.

      However, I think what many people are noticing is that the percentage of crimes committed by juveniles seems to be rising. It seems to me that, particularly over the summer, the majority of reported shootings involved juveniles. But that is just subjective and based on my memory, not hard data.

      • I know the hard data, and you’re wrong. Serious crimes by juveniles has been flat since about 2007. Hovers around roughly 1,000 incidents per year.

    • Prince Of Petworth

      Forgive me for being upset that 7 people have been shot in one week in a roughly one mile radius. Not to mention a shooting where nobody was hit that occurred at 5:30 in the afternoon. How irresponsible of me. As a member of the community where this violence has taken place I promise to do better in the future and will consult the statistics of previous years lest my emotions overtake me and skew the information (taken verbatim from MPD) in the posting.

      • Its just that the lines being blogging and news reporting is getting really tough for people see. Especially when news organizations are tweeting, and bloggers are retweeting and news organizations vice versa. The internet is capable of stirring up a lot of hysteria quickly (i.e. tea party) you do get a lot of readers, and I see the responses that sound a little hysterical (especially the one that says please gentrify as quickly as possible and hopefully the people will go far away—as if, poor people, in this case, people of color are responsible for crime). I don’t know, I’ve been in DC since ’96, and I remember that hearing gunshots over towards – columbia heights, pleasant plains, shaw, was a nightly occurrence. The way I’ve always rationalized living in the city was to look at the big picture and to stay alert, and not focus on the fact that this crime or that crime happened so close to where I live, but to use the information to sharpen my senses and steer clear of trouble – whether it be not walking down a certain block – ie. after the juvenile’s throwing bricks or assaulting pedestrians or bikers along W near 14th – I just avoided walking down that street all together.

        • I have seen the most recent week of violence up close: watching the police chase drug-dealing kids, watching kids runs past me after having shot their guns, hearing gunshots one block away (which proved to be fatal), and walking my dog early in the morning and seeing police tape.

          Perhaps it was a just a bad week, but it is starting to affect my sense of security, and PoP is right address this. A lot of people feel this way, statistics be damned.

          • how long have you been in columbia heights? If you felt any better sense of security before, then it was false. I’m not in favor of these kids committing crimes, but its nothing new.

      • +1 These shootings are spread all around Petworth. It is scary, it doesn’t matter what part of the city it is.

    • Right, it should read, “it’s been out of control for years and is still a troubling priority for all concerned. The residents, cops, city officials don’t seem to have it under control yet again, and there are certain city policies that just keep getting in the way of a possibly effective solution. Anyone have any thoughts?” Ah well, we can just move to Iowa.

  • Matt @ 4:03 is what my earlier post was in response to. Carry on, folks.

    • Hey, I’m glad to have middle-class black (or Hispanics) neighbors who raise their kids right and take care of their property and look out for their neighbors. That’s all right. We need more of that. That’s gentrification too.

      It’s the underclass who are a drain on city coffers that need to go. Far far away. I hear Georgia’s nice.

  • PoP – most of us agree with you. it is out of control. Keep up the good work, since we don’t hear about many of these in the traditional media.

  • I’m starting to see why gentrifiers are perceived in the way that they are. If you want to have any understanding of the neighborhood, go pay a visit to reverend tucker off of georgia avenue and park road. He’s been there since the park morton project *was* the epicenter in the tri-state area of the crack cocaine trade. Through good and persistent policework, this area has been cleaned up big time. This juvenile violence is always shocking, but its nothing new. If you all care so much why not volunteer spend time with folks in the community that need help, instead of spending all your time talking about what coffee shop opened here or there, and acting like you’ve seen hardship when some poor young person in your neighborhood gets killed.

    • The fact that it’s nothing new makes in no less tragic. The fact that the numbers are decreasing or level makes it no less tragic. This kind of violence is unacceptable.

      I’m really not sure what your point is, besides making it clear to others that you’ve been in DC for some time, when it wasn’t as nice as it is now. Is the only benefit of your experience a jaded attitude?

      Even seemingly inconsequential things like new coffee shops are important to discuss because they are emblematic of larger issues. When you moved into DC, there wasn’t a forum for strangers with common interests to vet evolving cultural ideals. This is 2010.

      I’ll add one more thing: today, DC beats every other city in voluntarism. Strangely, we still have enough time left in our busy schedules to check blogs.

      • I never had the balls to move to Columbia Hts. or Petworth – for all of these reasons that people posting on here and sound so surprised about?? I’m astonished that ppl think they’ll get big houses + low prices, and there’s no catch? heh. I started checking into this blog recently since I liked all the information on restaurant openings, etc…I’m just surprised with all of the douche bags posting. I used to say that part of me wanted to buy a house in (columbia hts, petworth, shaw), but if I did, I’d have to get an alarm system, a dog and a gun. So I’m jaded? or just not retarded?

        • I don’t see why you’d need to have balls to move to Petworth or Columbia Heights. Just because there is crime and even a spate of homicide that occurs, doesn’t mean that any one person is at a significant risk of victimization if they live within those boundaries.
          I think it’s reasonable for people to get upset (if not surprised) by what happens in their neighborhoods. Does that lead to a surprising number of ‘douche bag posts?’ Apparently. But I think as long as people are seeking remedies to the crime and not just slandering racial groups, I think it’s a good dialogue to have.

        • 1) You’re not giving people enough credit. 2) You’re only adding to the douchebag quotient here. 3) I know literally dozens of single women who have bought or now rent in all the neighborhoods you’re disparaging now. It sounds like you get nervous East of 12th. How much of a feline synonym are you?

  • Poor people like Neil, took two to the chest from a punk for $60?

    Some might not volunteer for fear of their lives from the seemingly extensive networks of young folk with handguns entrenched in the community we all share.

    Just because it’s not new doesn’t mean that it doesn’t suck big time then and now and deserve a proper civic response. That we get barriers from our elected officials is part of the problem, no?

  • What’s with Bowser and her overuse of the term “in 4D” in her post. Is she trying to perpetuate the jail block mentality around here? Perhaps we could all start thinking that we’re part of a community that isn’t entitled “4D”. How about “Hilltop Palisades”?

    • She’s the councilmember for the Fourth District, these recent crimes occurred in the Forth District, and the quote is from an e-mail to a Fourth District listserv (the subscribers to which are mostly Fourth District residents), so it makes sense for her to specify the Fourth District in her communications with her constituents about safety issues in the community.

  • Another confirmation that there are major organized drug operations well known to the locals that are allowed to fester and constantly plague us with weekly child shootings, what an admirable World Capital! Can’t we just build a City Shooting Range so they can get their “need to pull a trigger and kill people urge” satisfied without actual death?

  • glass half full, glass half empty? Major progress has been made, but the way you look at it is that “drug organizations that are allowed to fester?” You don’t think that the police are doing all that they can to lock up criminals? Just this week a slew of MS-13 gangsters were brought down. It takes a “village” – you can’t just round up all suspected drug dealers and expect that columbia heights will now be a utopian society – the root of problems is poverty, education, etc… sigh… Perhaps someone more eloquent than I will weigh in. I see a bunch of people who bought property in the hood and now surprised??? which is frustrating. Don’t just sit around and complain about the police and politicians. GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND DO SOMETHING.

  • Hey. If you can’t handle gentrification, move. We’re here and aren’t going that easily.

  • and I mean i don’t mean to be negative, but with all of the tension in these streets right now its only getting worse. its only a matter of time before things explode. I’ve seen a lot worse in this city growing up in the 90’s in Wards 7 and 8 than whats happening now. used to wake up in the morning with police cars outside still investigating a murder that had happened right in front of our house. I honestly think most of these transplants aren’t built to live in a live in a city like this. you gotta be tough to survive where I’m from no way around it.

    If you8 really wanna see crime drop try to get these crews to come to a truce. This has worked with with my old hood. A lot of these young black dudes weren’t raised properly and they hanged in the streets to get where they are today. They love these streets because thats all they know. Most of y’all wasn’t raised in the streets so y’all will never understand fully. But I think that that there should be after school jobs so that these kids can earn honest money and stay out of the streets.

    • The idea of giving people jobs so they don’t victimize people around them is not quite what I want to see. I’d gladly rather see them locked up for life, as being poor is no justification for hurting innocent people. I know that doesn’t make fiscal sense but there you are.

      Personally I think the problem is with our nationwide and misguided drug war, which subverts attention and resources from violent crime to drug crime (yes, which also has violence, but I hope you get my point).

    • I agree with you that there should be after-school jobs for youth to keep them gainfully employed and prevent them from turning to crime. For that to work, there needs to be more development.
      Of course I don’t see locking up crew or gang members for life as preferable to giving them jobs and a shot at a normal life. Unless someone commits homicide or similar crimes, I don’t see the point of locking them up for life. And unless I misread your post, I don’t think you were advocating giving after-school jobs to murderers anyway.

    • this sounds like a post from someone who is knowledgeable about the city and its problems. Though I think columbia hts/petworth in the 90’s saw some incredible violence/crime/drug action – perhaps worse than some other wards. but I agree – give kids opportunity and they’ll see something other than the streets. working at minimum wage jobs is no competition. I’ve worked with a lot of non-profits who try to mentor people who might otherwise end up on the streets. Growing up poor with no foreseeable way out is more than tough…I can only imagine. Does outreach do any good? I don’t know, but using the skills you have to reach out is 100 times better than doing nothing.

    • +1. We can never understand fully, but we can emphasize. and really, the more you know, the less scary it is.

  • “More and faster gentrification, please. I don’t care where the displaced move to, I just want it to be outside of DC, and preferably far enough away that they’re not even tempted to visit.”

    This may be the most absurd comment I have ever read on this website. Look, I’m all for crime reduction and a safe place to live. But the fact that you want to kick people out of a neighborhood where they have lived for many years, even generations, for your own personal security satisfaction is a joke. Do you really think that everybody being relocated by gentrification is responsible for the crime? Trust me, many of the people that would be relocated also want a safe, crime free environment same as you. But apparently you are more important. Instead of thinking just kick the criminals out and dump them on some other unfortunate neighborhood to deal with, or, complaining about it on an internet blog, why don’t you do something to help the problem. Get involved. Volunteer with kids. Gentrification is NOT answer stopping crime. It’s just sweeping it under the rug.

    • The little boy thugs won’t be killing people in Petworth or Columbia Heights or wherever if they’re living in some suburb of Atlanta or Charlotte or Orlando. Or likely not even if they live in Charles County or Stafford County.

      Neighborhoods change. North DC is changing. I just want more of it, and faster.

    • No, actually, gentrification *is* one answer to stopping crime. Do “many of the people who would be relocated also want a safe, crime free environment”? Hell yes.

      But would 99.9999% of the assholes doing the shooting be gone if their parent’s could no longer afford to live in the city? Not even debatable.

      The argument in favor of gentrification becomes even more compelling when you’re talking about assisted housing. Folks in welfare housing live in that housing at the discretion of the larger community. They have a roof over their head to the extent that their neighbors want to provide it. When shit like this happens, community support for providing such housing evaporates. This is rational, and natural.

      Fortunately the demographics are shifting, and that shift is irrevocable.

      • Gentrification isnt really a solution to crime if you think about it. It may help alleviate crime in a particular area, but the people that do commit crimes won’t stop committing just because they moved to a new location.

  • But Petworth is no more dangerous than any other neighborhood, right?

    (People have seriously made this argument here in the past).

    • Petworth is becoming less dangerous. It’ll never be the Palisades, but the more crime is reported and the police are involved, the less likely it is the criminals are going to continue their activities here.

      Start Snictchin’!

    • saf

      I’m sorry you don’t like it.

      I don’t think it IS that much more dangerous. I love my neighborhood. I hate that this stuff happens.

    • “Duped into Buying in Petworth” – Do you live here? What is the meaning of your tag line?I’ve made the argument many times before that Petworth has less crime than Columbia Heights, U Street, and Adams Morgan – if you live in one of those neighborhoods there is no reason to be fearful of Petworth. The neighborhood is huge so every time a crime happens in Petworth it doesn’t mean it’s around the corner. These recent crimes have been way higher in number than I ever remember in my 5 years living here, however, and several have been way too close for comfort. I’m comforted by the fact that there have been several recent arrests.

  • This is why it is perfectly reasonable to warn clueless out-of-towners to generally avoid the green line.

  • I knew him. He was a beautiful young man. I just found out about this this evening. I am devastated.

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