12th St, NW Pop up and Potential New Building

I’m not sure if this project at 1909 12th St, NW is still happening because their web site is no longer active. But if it does, here’s the rendering:

And the pop up we’ve been monitoring nearby at 1923 12th St, NW is progressing nicely:

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  • there are multiple meters on the inside of 1923 12th so it’s a condo cut-up, fyi

  • I walked by this first one on the way to work this week and almost threw up when I saw the picture on the sign. I really hope they don’t ruin that nice little old house by putting that ugly shit on top of it.

    • Agree the first house belongs in the suburbs.

    • What Ugly Shit are you referring to? I assure you this will be a great project. I’ve created several beautiful homes in the area; 2214 12th ST NW, 2226 12 St NW, 1349 V St NW just to name a few. I do not create anything that is not beautiful and extremely well built, however, beauty that is subjective (but they are). I will assure the community that we have gone through historic review and this house will be one of the popular address in DC. I am a trusted builder/developer in the area and will put nothing less than the best at this address. When its done it will be a single family home worth well over a million dollars.

      The web site is not up yet because we’ve been waiting on floor plans but this should be up very soon.

      Thank you for your comments but wait till its done it will be a positive addition to the neighborhood.
      Brian Ortiz
      OC Development

      • i love that developers and builders get on here and defend/ talk about their work! rock on.

      • Mr. Ortiz: Thanks for stopping in and commenting here. What type of material is being used for the siding on the dormers? Is it vinyl, wood, or some other composite material?

        My personal belief is that the building is not in-character with most of the Victorian/Queen Anne architecture found nearby on U Street, but if this passed HRB and other necessary reviews, then that’s OK by me.

        Just curious about that material. Thanks!

  • is that vinyl siding on those dormers, or is it wood?

    either way, design-wise, the entire thing is out-of-character with the U street historic district. i’m surprised it was approved.

    • The historic preservation requirements are extremely optional. I paid to put in wood windows and then two renovations on my street put in vinyl. It underscores how unbelievably worthless HP requirements are.

      • Vinyl windows are not allowed on windows that face the street for houses in historic districts (they are allowed in the back of the house). They either did not get a permit, or did not follow the requirements of their permits. If you really have a chip on your shoulder about this you could report them.

        • Therein lies the problem, no? Enforcement is non existent and there’s rarely a building inspector during the actual work phase. So the flipper puts in windows that aren’t legal and sells the house to an unsuspecting couple. Who actually gets punished?

          The chip is not against the neighbors. It’s against the city and feds for having a stupid law that only applies to certain people.

  • The first building is definitely still happening, they’re about to start. The second one was an existing building that had a similar roof, they just rebuilt it. It’s three units. Two of which are already under contract before completion. I don’t have anything to do with either but I’m surprised people hate them so much.

  • Those dormers are fugly. They should have sprung for a few bricks.

  • the second one on 12th St NW lay fallow for quite a while and it is a condo cut-up. cut-ups give me mixed emotions because they mostly result in crummy condos floorplanwise (IMHO…YMMV).

  • Colonial Dormers on a Mansard roof on a Federal row house? Wrong.

  • While dormers are a part of a Mansard roof, that is not a Mansard roof.


    • Admittedly, as with most things art/design/architecture related, styles vary & blend. It isn’t 4 sided, and lacks the traditional ornamentation, but in rowhouses, that style of roof (steep slope at the front /gentle at the rear) with interior structure allowing a usable attic, is generally called a mansard roof.

      Rowhouse Styles Guide:

      No matter what you choose to call it, it’s still fugly and out of character for the facade. A more sympathetic approach would have been to knock the top 7 courses off the facade, and simply extend it upward a floor in identical style. Brick match is a pain, but you wouldn’t need much for the facade, and the house is painted in any event. The incremental cost to do it right would probably be $45/mo over a 30year mortgage. Also, while I had the masons there I’d probably have them put a matching lintel over the door.

      So, ‘Pwned’? More like nit-picked. Have a nice day.

      • Calling something a mansard, which clearly isn’t a mansard, takes away the special mansardness, and just leaves us with mansurdity!

    • It’s actually a false mansard roof. An ugly, early 21st-century interpretation of a false mansard with out-of-scale Colonial Revival- style dormers. It’s rather uncommon to find a true mansard roof on a rowhouse, unless the rowhouse was designed in the Second Empire style.

  • The fenestration on the 12th street building looks 1000 times better now that it’s properly scaled to the size of the building. The windows were tiny tiny before. The dormers, however, are too wide and look odd. Definitely not a mansard roof, which needs to have two slopes of both steep and shallow pitches.

  • I saw quite a bit of the construction on the 12th Street house as it was rapidly taking place, and I could see that part of the rapidity was due to a complete and utter disregard of worker safety requirements. Guys were dangling and angling themselves over the building without harnesses, tethers, guard rails, etc. It should have been criminal.

  • First one, Seems the height of three floors / floor to ceiling windows does not fit in this row of five historic homes

  • The internet never ceases to disappoint me.

    On the internet, “Pwned” is an expression I expect out of a 14 year old.
    What are the general demographics of the readers of this board? 20-45, college-educated, middle to upper-middle class, I would hazard to guess.

    One would think that in discussions (involving such an educated group) that generate disagreements, we would be able to not devolve into petty one-upsmanship.

    Don’t get me wrong– I appreciate helpful and factual corrections or well-made arguments (architectural historian’s comment was a decent example of this). Arguments are made with some degree of lighthearted humor are great, even.

    I just wish that discussions here did not make me feel like every time I log on, I am walking into a room with people who have the same demeanour as ‘Comic Book Guy’ from the Simpsons.

  • Regarding the first house at 1909 12th, the project is still moving forward and the website is up. Some of the finish details, floor plans and what the actual home will look like are still being worked out and will be added to the site very soon. You will also be able to monitor progress as it happens. Please forgive my version of the front elevation rendering on the web site and yard sign. I am a much better Realtor than artist 🙂

    OC Development’s projects are fantastic and it is pleasure to show them and represent the developer. Brian focuses on high end finishes throughout and modern floor plans. This project will be a beautiful addition to his list of homes that he has put his name on.

    Check out http://www.12thStreetDC.com

    Evan Johnson
    Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage

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