In Defense of Vegans (food) by Robyn

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There’s a type of person out there that really get under my skin. A “verbal vegan.” They’re different than your average crunchy-granola, mild-mannered vegan. The verbal vegans stare at your steak in horror, as if you’re eating an endangered species (like the adorable, overlooked red panda bear), and then remind you that if that steak were, say, a mound of grass, everyone third world countries could eat like kings. They never miss an opportunity to whip out an album of slaughterhouse pictures in an attempt to convert carnivores, and they protest honey because it’s “bee slavery.” A burger-loving friend once found a very cheap room in a vegan co-op. The roommates bought into his fabricated passion for PETA and organic exotic fruit (it helped that he’s an actor). That is, until about a month later when he snuck off to Five Guys. They caught him red-handed (he attempted to sneak his dinner up to his room), and after an infuriated tirade of lectures on how meat-eaters are the scum of the earth, promptly kicked him out. Look, I have vegan friends, and I wholeheartedly respect and appreciate their cause. It’s just the judgmental vegans that give endless sermons on demonic butter, cheese and egg lovers that are like fingernails on chalkboards. For the sake of agreeing to disagree, don’t judge my food and I won’t judge yours.

Well, admittedly, I used to judge vegan food, quite harshly. I thought when vegans tried to replicate meat recipes with a tofu and soy cheese concoction, it not only looked like snot but has most likely tasted like cumin-flavored Jello. But, thanks to the kind souls of veggie friends who took my stubbornness against their food for ignorance, I’ve been introduced to vegan eats around DC that make me consider abandoning meat. Until I pass by the Peruvian chicken place on Park Road and can’t resist.

My picks for the best vegan food carnivores are, in no particular order: the tofu curry at Everlasting Life, Cookies n’ Cake cupcake and Bacon Lettuce Tempeh at Sticky Fingers, Vegan ‘buffalo wings’ at Asylum, veggie sushi at Sticky Rice and Uni. Both Red Rocks and Moroni Brothers serve vegan cheese upon request. And who knew you could make a vegan sandwich at Amsterdam Falafel?

Any other vegan favorites? Verbal vegans, feel free to chime in, just please don’t post links to videos of crated chickens, please.


67 Comment

  • I’d say you need to find some new friends. With friends like these, who needs enemas?

  • Everything is better with butter!

  • This post really rubs me the wrong way. I’d prefer not see my local blog shit all over the way I choose to live my life and taking a compassionate stance on animals. You love vegan food and seem to hate vegans, nice.

  • sorry, but what is the point of this post? your giving some sort of stamp of approval on vegan food? i have a hard time believing that vegans are out assaulting people all the time with their views — fact is people are passionate about all kinds of things and it gets annoying when anyone goes over the top or starts being a bully for their beliefs. you’re just furthering another stereotype singling vegans out on this.

  • This is definitely not a defense of vegans. Vegan food, perhaps. But this is an attack on vegans.

  • Sorry to add to the early barrage of comments, but I have to say that I have never met a “verbal” vegan. While not one myself, those I have met have seemed very live-and-let-live about the whole thing.

    As for the friend and the vegan co-op, was being vegan an express prerequisite to living there? If so, shame on that guy for lying his way in. Would he do the same to a kosher group house?

  • I agree with Drewlove, and I would like to add bacon to the list. Vegan or not, you can’t deny it.

  • I am vegetarian and not at all pushy about it and find that people seem to magnify this idea of pushy vegans in their minds. have you really seriously been harrassed by vegans that much?

    and lying to people about your eating habits to get them to accept you as a roomate then blaming them for being jerks is a bit ridiculous.

  • Nothing like bringing up people eating habits to start a war.

    An aside, I love the Vegan poster on metro with the guy cuddling a chicken! It’s just absurd to me b/c I’d rather eat a chicken and cuddle a kitten.

  • Face it, many people are deeply unhappy and take that unhappiness out on others, be they vegan or Robyn or klan or Hebrew Israelite.

  • it seems that you are missing input from the “quiet, in-their-place” vegans, which was, i guess, the whole point.

    there are equal measures of jerky people among vegans and non vegans. i know a few meatheads (no pun intended) who hate on vegans for dubious reasons, but hardly need to get called out on it.

    usually agreeing to disagree means agreeing to disagree.

  • I have sat on every side of this fence. I grew up eating whatever critter was put in front of me, I took to Vegetarianism in college, flirted with Veganism for a brief stint following college, reverted back to a sort of Ted Nugent Vegetarianism (only eating what I could hunt/fish – doesn’t work too well in DC), and finally now enjoying meat sparingly along side a vegetable intensive diet.

    To my Veggite friends who found this article offensive, get off it! No one is criticizing your choice and you are lying if you say you’ve never met an overtly evangelical veg-head. To the overtly outspoken carnivores, chill out! No one is threatening your way of life by abstaining from meat in their personal lives.

    There IS room for meat in the modern diet, admittedly much less from a nutritional and environmental perspective than the status quo. However, articles such as this should be viewed as an educational tool to enlighten individuals from both sides toward new and responsible taste experiences not a culinary call to arms.

  • I gotta say, I know some vegetarians but don’t associate with any vegans on a regular basis. The vegans I have met always seem to appear a little malnourished to me. Call me an attacker of vegans if you wish, I just don’t think it’s a healthy diet.

  • The insulted commenters need to re-read the post. Robyn is careful not to cast dispersions on the vegan lifestyle or vegans as a whole. If anything, it is responses like these that help perpetuate the stereotypes.

  • I agree with dcdude. I think this is a funny post – I have no problem with vegans or anyone else who does what they do without judgment, but the evangelical – or “verbal” – ones I have run into on occasion drive me nuts.

    I was, however, trying to think about what vegan foods I consume in the ‘hood, and I’m having a really hard time! Sweet potato fries at Red Derby is the best I can come up with!

  • well… i do have a problem with vegans.

    try some meat guys! its really good!

  • Flipflopirate: I’m a vegan, I’ve never met an “overtly evangelical veg-head”, ever. Weird. And Petworthian: Most of the omnivores I see when I’m at the grocery store seem “a little malnourished,” too. I don’t know why everyone gets so upset over eachothers food choices. If anything, I’ve met hundreds of “overtly evangelical” meat eaters. What’s the difference? People find out I’m vegan and want to make a big spiel about how I must not be getting enough protein or making lame ass comments when I eat my food. So… how is that better than the couple of over-the-top vegans you meet every blue moon? Some people are just douchebags, vegan or not. That’s pretty much the extent of it. But we could just sit here and bicker over our differences.

  • I just find it somehow very funny that many vegetarian dishes try (some fairly succesfully) to look and taste like meat.. 😀

  • So is vegan-vs-nonvegan the new Mac-vs-PC? Because it seems just as pointless.

    Can’t we just go back to hating smokers and people who pee in alleys?

  • I say that if you’re higher up in the food chain than “Kill it, Eat it and Wear it!”

  • While PoP himself has seemingly avoided the subjective views, aside from commenting on a dope sky roof deck or awesome vestibule, I like the provocative angle that Robyn brings to the blog. As obvious above, many do not agree with her, or with one another, which brings out some interesting comments, new insight and back and forth banter.

    Vegans, like meat eaters, come in all colors. There are the omnivores who will brow beat those who don’t eat meat, and vice versa with vegans who shudder at anyone who’d lick a bees teet. I tend not to like either extreme.

  • I personally don’t know any of those types of vegans, but I can tell you, it goes both ways. I never (outwardly) judge people’s diet when I’m at a restaurant and see them eating meat. But when people find out I’m vegan, they start getting very defensive about their own meat-eating habits through absolultely no prompting on my own.

    Often when I go out with my brother, he’ll ask if the restaurant we’re going to serves “real food” and almost always makes a point to order some sort of steak as if it somehow restores some sort of cosmic balance. I don’t force veganism down anyones’ throats, but ultimately it will come up in conversation: “why!?!!?!!”.

    I went in the Pug the other night carrying a meal from Sticky Rice, and the bartender asked what the hell I was bringing in. I told him it was “tofu medley”. When he asked if I was vegetarian I told him I’m vegan. He replied, “Damn, dude, I gotta eat meat – I’ve got balls and a dick.” Seriously. And I get this sort of reaction all the time. I don’t start it.

    People seem to want to get over their guilt of eating meat in front of me, which they don’t need to worry about, but it’s as if they’re all of a sudden needing to justify their meat eating. I don’t start this. Two years ago I was in a parilla in Argentina eating a steak the size of my head, so as a vegan of 5 months now, I’m not going to judge anyone. It’s freaky how they judge me for having made this leap.

    BTW – my brother who, through no prompting through me, ordered the mock chicken sezchuan at Sticky Rice. He was quite impressed.

  • The PoP veg-tards are deeply offended

  • Maybe I’m just pointing out the obvious, but isn’t it predictable that vegans don’t get into it with preachy vegans (you know, b/c they’re already converted), and omnivores don’t run into preachy meat eaters? It doesn’t mean there are more than one or the other in the world, it just means you’re not the target of the group you belong to.

  • I’ve received a lot more unsolicited judgement about my vegetarianism than I’ve ever doled out to meat eaters. That’s generally the case with other vegetarians I know.

    Pizzeria Paradiso will adapt it’s pizza to include soy cheese (and whole wheat crust) on request. Java Green is a reliable vegan spot for Korean/Asian fare. The vegan chinese in Rockville is my favorite , especially Yuan Fu, but Vegetable Garden is also good. Harmony Cafe in Georgetown will adopt anything on the menu to vegan and their stuff is pretty good. Nirvana is vegetarian but also has an extensive selection of vegan South Indian fare.

  • I started reading the comments in hopes of getting some more tips/suggestions for yummy vegans places/items in the D.C.

    Oh D.C. Sigh…

  • There seem to be quite a few verbal vegans posting on here…but you seemed to miss the point of the article. Where are the good places around town to get a vegan bite to eat?

  • Up next: Robyn on Taste Great vs. Less Filling. Arm thyselves.

  • You know, the preaching stuff really doesn’t go both ways. Everyone’s heard of PETA (which, ironically, exterminated thousands of stray cats & dogs for years), Go Veg, and other such organizations who are constantly in our faces and harassing us about our choices of eating and clothing.

    I can’t think of a single organization that protests and harasses people about their choice to NOT eat meat. Frankly, I couldn’t care less what you eat. The difference between the two positions boils down to that. I’ll eat anything. Veggos, on the other hand, won’t eat some things, and there is often a moral position behind that choice. It’s that moral position which drives in some the desire to judge others. But without a moral standpoint on eating (which is my own standpoint) there’s nothing to judge.

    Which reminds me. I did once see a tee shirt which totally cracked me up. For every animal you don’t eat, I shall eat three.

  • [I’ve never met an “overtly evangelical veg-head”, ever. Weird.] & […how is that better than the couple of over-the-top vegans you meet…]

    That’s not contradictory at all. I figure it would be mighty hard to have met an ‘over-the-top’ without meeting an ‘overtly-evangelical’ veggie enthusiast but my grasp on synonymous nomenclature is obviously outmatched.

  • The small but vocal organizations like PETA or GoVeg (not exactly a household name at that) don’t speak for vegetarians or vegans. They promote an agenda, just as the agribusiness lobby promotes policies conducive to mass scale farming and its iterant social costs. Or let’s discuss the global influence of the fast foot industry. A whopping 3% of the US population is estimated to practive some form of vegetarianism, and those numbers skew heavily by geography (urban), and gender (2:1 female:male)

  • what is over-the-top vegan evangelism, or obnoxiously holier-than-thou pontification, is obviously in the eye of the beholder. the conservatives i know who listen to Rush Limbaugh every day don’t think he’s a bombastic loudmouthed idiot, but the sane people i know all agree that there is no question he is.

    i have some vegan friends who have never said anything to me about my omnivorous eating, and are great company. they don’t try to make everyone else around them adjust to their personal choice; for example, they don’t think that a compromise on eating out with non-vegans means the non-vegans agree to eat at a vegan restaurant, but instead, means agreeing to eat at a restaurant that has vegan offerings on the menu.

    but i also have some who won’t shut their piehole about the evil of eating anything that isn’t itself a plant or fungi. virtually all these people are also PETA-style “animal rights” zealots. my friendships with these people have slowly ebbed, since they literally cannot speak more than 5 minutes on any topic but veganism or animal rights. nobody likes a one-topic obssessive, regardless of the topic.

  • With a rising global population and dwindling food supplies, this is all sort of moot. We’ll all be eating artificial, lab produced synthetic meats and veggies before long anyhow. Say goodbye to Vegans and Carnivores. We’ll all be Synthests…um…or Syntheticores….or Artificialigerians.

  • Defense of vegans? Nah, doesn’t sound like a good idea to defend people who have an eating disorder and often seem to be proud of that fact.

  • You can catch Loki at this April’s ‘Petworth Community Playhouse presents: Soylent Green”

    “…it’s made out of PEEEOOOPPPLLEE”

    I mean it all in fun, you’re probably right Loki, like it or not we should all get used to the taste/idea of Algae burger.

  • Damn, I always thought PETA sucked, but hearing they exterminate stray cats and dogs sounds like a redeeming quality. Can I get them to kill the stray cat on my street that cries/meows/whatever all night behind my house?

    Oh, and I was vegan for 3 years, and found a small but definately visable group of my fellow vegans to be some of the most self-righteous, undernourished (hey Soft batch is vegan!) folks I have encountered.

    That said, i too thought this post would be about where to eat good vegan food in DC, aside from the usual places. Like the secret vegan dishes at restaurants that aren’t Asylum and Java Green.

  • the only vegan food i’ve eaten since coming do DC was some fake bacon “Fake-on” and i threw up immediately thereafter. You don’t wanna eat animals or animal products? that’s fine, great, follow your beliefs…mad props for resisting fried chicken and shwarma. But the minute you start bitching me out for eating a Veal Parm or a Filet Mignon is the minute i am poised to attack, strike, kill. I’m sorry if you’ve created this illusion of feeling “oppressed” by the omnivorous masses, but, don’t take it out on me just because i’ve chosen to use my canine teeth to tear into a burger or steak, like evolution intended for us to do. Vegan food i’m sure is wonderful, but quite frankly, vegans, esp a lot of DC vegans, piss me off. And i agree with whoever posted about the “Vegan-Co-ops”…what a crock of bolognashit. Telling someone you can’t live with them because they choose to eat meat, well, get bent. I probably wouldn’t have liked living with you anyways. Does it not amount to dietary discrimination, which, if i’m not mistaken, is discrimination nonetheless? the ironic part of it all is that a lot of these “militant vegans” will probably consider themselves thoughtful, open-minded, educated citizens…reason number 458 why i hate hipsters.

  • “…they promote an agenda, just as the agribusiness lobby promotes policies conducive to mass scale farming and its iterant social costs.”

    I have never seen anyone representing Burger King or USDA waving placards and getting in people’s faces because they DON’T eat meat.

    I don’t care what your politics are, I just prefer not to be judged because of mine. Live and let live.

    Unless you’re an animal, of course, in which case you will be grilled or slow-smoked… mmmm…

  • someone wrote: Ican’t think of a single organization that protests and harasses people about their choice to NOT eat meat

    try being a vegetarian. i was harrassed relentlessly growing up about this choice but never said anything to anyone about their choices. i can’t tell you how many people have felt the need to remind me that “broccoli is a living thing” or some annoying variation of that.

  • The Greek Spot had a pretty decent veggie gyro. And I am a true blue pig-o-phile.

  • wow “j” — that’s a lot of venom. Are you having any trouble finding steak or burger?

    Jamie — so all those billboards and ubiquitous ad campaigns for McD’s and Carl’s Jr. DON’T promote meat consumption?

  • Sure they do. But they don’t tell you you’re a bad person who will likely burn in hell unless you eat a burger. PETA should take a lesson from McDonald’s… instead of saying “meat is murder” try saying “tofu is delicious!”

    Ummm… okay, probably not going to win many converts that way. So maybe there’s a reason why they promote their agenda like the Catholic Chuch. But that doesn’t make it right.

  • Ummmm. I’m with Robyn – though I still like meat, there are also some tasty vegetarian and vegan choices out there… I vote for Java Green on 19th and K.

  • but McDonald’s isn’t delicious or quality food. We can probably agree on that one. PETA has it’s faults and it’s Hollywood-centric promotion doesn’t help. They also promote better standards for animal welfare at slaughterhouses, which you could argue is win-win for consumers who get better quality and safer animal products to consume.

    There’s an assumption that being vegan is an overtly political choice when it’s often a smaller part of the equation than personal. I’m happy to engage omnivores willing to discuss food preferences respectfully, but the stereotypes and assumptions about vegans can be really offensive.

  • I’m vegan and I did not find Robyn’s post offensive. I did, however, find some of the posts here offensive. No need for people on both sides of the aisle on this one to get so defensive. Ok, so save a few of us, we all agree that we should not be harassed for our decision to eat meat/vegetarian/vegan. So let’s stop harassing each other and get back to the question posed by Robyn.

    Busboys and Poets is great for vegans. The Heights is good about asking about dietary restrictions to make sure you order appropriately. Soul Vegetarian on Georgia Ave. is all vegan and is really tasty. My meat-eating husband is a fan.

  • Robyn’s post is a cartoonish depiction of veganism that exists in the extreme minority of an already relatively small minority. What I haven’t seen here is even the slightest attack against meat eaters. Vegans are also a pretty slow moving target, as is just about anyone who exhibits such blatant self-righteousness. Being vegan/omnivore and being self-righteous can be mutually exclusive.

  • Ha – this is an awesome friday convo. a few things to say:

    first, being a west coaster, I have met many, many verbal vegans. just go scan the craigslist roommate ads in Portland.

    second, I think ethical vegetarianism/veganism is by far the hardest to defend. But as a health choice? Sure.

    third, the whole PETA tactic of naked people protesting eating animals. I just don’t get it, as it actually makes me WANT to consume whatever you’re associating with the naked lady – fur, meat, etc.

  • I’m sure I’ll get tagged as one of those ‘verbal vegans’ for stating this, but by ‘ethical’ do you mean as in people who want a smaller carbon footprint? Raising cattle requires far greater water consumption than growing vegetables and grain … methane release from cattle and livestock contributes to global warming. Why don’t we just call recycling and energy conservation a ‘personal virtue’ too while we’re at it — there are those of us who just do it and then there are some people who pick through trash to recover recyclables, and some of the arguments here seem to put vegans solely into the latter category.

    the health argument is actually one of the weaker ones. While vegetarians tend to have better health indicators than omnivores, they do not have better health eaters than flexitarians who consume moderate amounts of meat/fish (several portions per week)

  • “but McDonald’s isn’t delicious or quality food. We can probably agree on that one.”

    Uh, I have to disagree. At 2am after leaving a bar, a quarter pounder and fries are freakin gourmet.

  • Save me a jumbo slice too. What isn’t good after you’ve pulled a few bong hits or knocked back a few?

  • I want to remind everyone that history will judge. In the context of the times, it was perfectly commonplace for the mainstream to complain about “verbal” abolitionists, “verbal” suffragists, “verbal” desegregationalists, etc.

    The most important factor in my decision to go vegan was how easy it is. I never really cared all that much about animals one way or the other but, once I realized how surprisingly simple it is to give up animal products, there was no reason to go back.

    And that was 15+ years ago. Nowadays being vegan (in DC at least) is possibly the easist thing in the world. All the restaurants mentioned are quite excellent, but you can also buy vegan fare at every grocery store (even, surprisingly, the GA ave Safeway).

  • I’m Veggie and the best (and to my knowledge only!) Veggie Gyro is at the Greek Spot – 11th & U street. The Best Veggie burger is at the Hieghts. That last recommendation I don’t make lightly as I’ve been veggie for 22 years and have tasted so many veggie burgers in DC and Chicago it isn’t funny!

  • Why do I get the feeling that half the people here talking about vegans mean vegetarians?

  • emmaleigh, the ad is supposed to make you think about how our society treats/views one type of animal (a kitten) differently than another (a chicken). some people would argue there is no real difference (in terms of moral values) between the two, yet we treat one like crap and eat it, while we treat the other well and keep it as a pet.

    anon @3:14, if you really want to stop the stray cat from yowling outside your window, grab the cat and take it to the vet to be spayed.

    and lastly, it would have been nice if robyn hadn’t gone out of her way to bash vegans but whatever — obnoxious people are obnoxious and “verbal” vegans do not have a monopoly on this, as she illustrated with the story of the guy who lied and disrespected his way into the vegan group house.

    for Dboe and others, i have a question about Soul Vegetarian in Shaw — their website says they are run by the African Hebrew Israelites, are those the same people that will stand outside metro stops with signs and microphones making incendiary statements? a friend of mine wants to check out the restaurant and i was curious about the group that runs it.

  • Oregonian – why is ethical vegetarianism hard to defend? I think the reasons to give up meat are overdetermined, but that was the sticker for me.

    I am sure that omnivores get read the riot act for their eating habits more than vegetarians, but don’t pretend it doesn’t happen the other way. I’ve been called out many times for being a vegetarian (though never beforehand), and a ton more than that have had to defend my dietary choices.

    Also, PETA sucks. Let’s all just be aware that there are many vegetarians who would never want to be associated with PETA.

  • Anonymous 11:44:

    Not sure if they’re the same folks who stand outside metros yelling, but honestly it wouldn’t stop me from going. Also, a few blocks up from Soul Veg is a health food store called “Everlasting Life” – currently under construction, but the cafe towards the back of the store is still open – same basic food as Soul Veg. The stuff at both places is awesome.

    Oregonian said “second, I think ethical vegetarianism/veganism is by far the hardest to defend. But as a health choice? Sure.”

    That’s a crock in my book. I came to veganism not from an animal suffering perspective (it’s on my list, but further down), but to help curb global warming, use fewer of the Earth’s resources (such as water), and minimize global starvation.

    40% of the world’s grain goes to feeding cattle. It’s a very inefficient way to produce food, and is contributing to global starvation. If everyone on the planet got 30% of their calories from animal products, we’d have enough food to sustain 2.5 billion people. If everyone went at least vegetarian, we’d have enough to sustain 6 billion plus. There are more than 6 billion people on the planet, so 3.5 billion are currently getting a raw deal. I just don’t want to be a part of that. That simple.

  • If everyone went at least vegetarian, we’d have enough to sustain 6 billion plus.

    Problem is, you make food production efficient enough to sustain 6 billion people, they’ll be healthy and happy enough to poop out another 3 billion people who’ll be starving to death. Give people an inch, and they’ll f**k a MILE of it STRAIGHT INTO THE DIRT. People should just eat what they need to for their own reasons, realizing that every single thing you do has an impact on everybody else around you.

    I just hope the Animal Liberation Front steps up their game and starts blowing up cows with dynamite. It would definitely make my weekend more entertaining.

  • I could care less about Vegetarians and Vegans; however I despise the following two types of people:
    1) No matter what the restaurant, some jackass will chime in with: “What are the veggie/vegan options?” no matter how inappropriate it is to the location (i.e. Fogo de Chao: Are there veggie/vegan options?)

    2) People who say eating meat “makes them sick” when clearly 95% of the time its psychological.

  • “40% of the world’s grain goes to feeding cattle. It’s a very inefficient way to produce food, and is contributing to global starvation. If everyone on the planet got 30% of their calories from animal products, we’d have enough food to sustain 2.5 billion people. If everyone went at least vegetarian, we’d have enough to sustain 6 billion plus. There are more than 6 billion people on the planet, so 3.5 billion are currently getting a raw deal. I just don’t want to be a part of that. That simple.”

    A good example of mere accounting not telling us anything meaningful. The preferences for eating meat seem to be largely exogenous (makes sense–humans are, after all, omnivores). Meat and veges are NOT perfect substitutes (not even close for most meat-eaters), and meat-eaters presumably receive greater satisfaction from eating meat as opposed to eating veges (I know I do). You cannot just equate caloric values. In fact, I’d argue that the utility gains from eating meat (due to our meat-eating preferences) are large enough to outweigh the energy loss, environmental damage, etc.–meaning meat eating is probably efficient from an economic point of view. So, unless you’re someone who doesn’t consider human happiness (say, if you’re a nagging, joyless zealot), the eco arguments for scaling down meat consumption are pretty useless. However, we could, of course, invent ways to produce the same amount of meat while decreasing environmental costs and energy efficiency losses.

  • Also, wealthier societies tend to consume more meat (see: The Developing World). Historically, largely vegetarian diets were a result of poverty (even cultures that don’t eat certain animals tend to eat other animals). People just tend to like meat. This also brings up possibly the best argument for going vegetarian: you can save a ton of money on groceries!

  • @Boomhauer – Those are usually the same people who go to an ethnic restaurant, order the food that isn’t of that ethnicity, and complain about how it sucks. It’s not about the food, it’s about them getting an excuse to complain. Of course a grilled chicken caesar salad is going to suck at a Chinese/Indian/Greek place. Chicken caesar salads just suck regardless of where you get them.

  • boomhauer, I speculate that your first issue stems from the fact that they are out with friend and family who do eat meat who selected the restaurant. You can’t blame people for wanting to be able to find something to eat!

  • I’m tired of seeing vegans/vegetarians being attacked here. We have our reasons – and I have certainly seen more cases of meat-eaters try to change me than I have of us trying to change others. Whereas I don’t see justifiable reasons to kill and eat animals and use up more resources (and yes, meat-eating does use more resources, no matter how many nutritional calories you count). And surely you all know by now how much our oceans are over-fished – yet you still go for cod and tuna and …..

    As for health, my dad the cattle-rancher had to go off his meat kick after his quintuplet bypass.

  • Lucretia,

    Very good point. Rule of thumb: if you’re going to dinner with a vegetarian, don’t select a damn steakhouse (yeah, Mom and Dad!).


    I know plenty of vegetarians who choose their diets for a variety of reasons. That’s totally cool. However, the type of arguments thrown around by Binkesworth are really, really, really, really, really poor (and repeated by hippie, drug-rug-wearing vegenvirodrones everywhere). Since global meat-eating is on the long-term rise (provided the world keeps getting wealthier), eco-types should be supporting research into less-resource intensive, cost effective meat production, rather than less meat production. Choose your battles wisely.

  • You know sometime I think that it wrong to eat animal meat, but then I think to what my abulea Rosie always say to me. If you beat you own meat, and eat it all up youself, than you not hurting the animal. Because you don’t waste anything. You don’t have to pay butcher at carniceria to cut and beat meat for you – because you do him yourself. so, animal lover not need to complain anymore since you are a man who like to use it all and throw away zero! Please think about that before you give me lecture about how i not should eat meat anymores. Beside have you have lengua asada? I did think so.


  • Vegans are the worst!

  • Boomhauer — just one more hit from the bong and you will be ok.

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